MLG and DreamHack Announce Collaboration - Page 10

On April 24 2012 02:35 JimSocks wrote:
as much as i like thorzain. mlg gives too many free spots. make ppl qualify.

On April 24 2012 02:19 Kiichol wrote:


If MLG can sustain this PPV model good for them.
However, it's still not justifiable in most peoples eyes (including my own). As their services provide nothing more than other tournament organisers whom provide the same content free of charge. We don't hear an outcry from the CEO of any other tournament organiser that they need to experiment with PPV to satisfy investors. Honestly Sundance is using the cowardly tool of fear mongering to advocate the PPV model. "We need to experiment with this or MLG might go down the shitter".

Even if what he is saying regarding PPV is true. Then he has made some serious miss calculations on the business side, which other tournament organisers have managed to avoid apparently.

In conclusion, if MLG can sustain this model. Good for them, good for E-sports. But if they fail and MLG does indeed downsize or cease to exist entirely. That's good for e-sports too as it increases revenue for MLG's competitors. Thus consolidating the scene into a handful of large event holders who eill have more money to play with. So it's a win-win situation in my eyes.

On April 24 2012 02:51 skrjabin wrote:


If MLG fails, that is NOT good for eSports. (win, win? ... lol) Honestly, this is another portrayal of high ignorance. A major company in the industry failing means that the legitimacy of the entire scene will be put into question. We want money and investors in eSports. If one of the giants falls because it's consumer base can't get their moms to cough up 10$, then who would invest in eSport? At the end of the day, those who are so underground, and want eSport to remain that way will hurt the very thing they love. If we want it to grow, it has to be treated as a business, which requires investors and money. MLG, and other tournaments like it, are carving a new path that has not been figured out, yet and honestly, MLG is taking the path towards expansion to the masses, which requires money and exposure. To get major investors (like CBSi) into the sport, you have to prove that you are a worthwhile risk that has RETURN ON INVESTMENT ($$). Quite frankly, it seems MLG has it's eyes on bigger goals than just big LANS; namely, pushing it into the realm of legitimacy.

Do you understand why these arenas are PPV? They are flying out all of their competitors to the Arena, paying their expenses. These are expenses that the teams would otherwise have to cover. This puts more money into the pockets of organisations who want to support their players and their brand. Fly 20 people (no exact number, sorry) over from Korea, look at the cost, then say, "Yeah, would be a good idea to make this event free." The arenas might not prove to be sustainable, but to bitch about it over and over and over, is spitting on the investment that MLG is making on behalf of eSports, which benefits all the whiny brats on this forum in spite of themselves. NASL is free, but I gave them 20$. I bought both arena passes so far and will continue to do so. Why? Because I have enough self control to say, "Ok buy 2 coffees this week, or support something that I love?" When did everyone get so spoiled as to expect a free lunch everywhere they go?

On April 24 2012 03:30 TheSir wrote:


The only thing you have picked up about sports and finance are the words from Sundance aren't you? My god, sports cant be treated as a regular business. If you do so, you will fail. It has been proven over and over all over the world and it's mind blowing what some people in esports are talking about.

MLG is sustaining there own business right now, nothing wrong with that but they are not expanding or growing because they cant (at least not with SC2). At the moment they are stuck with their audience and with there business model.
You cant grow when people who hardly know what SC2 is cant watch it without paying, so who will pay to watch it? Right, hardcore SC2 fans and no one else and those are already watching it so this has to work for MLG.

PPV will not help esports (Sc2) grow, it just wont. It will keep it alive if it's really that bad but just stop with that growing nonsense.

On April 24 2012 00:49 Otolia wrote:

I value things that come free such as love, friendship, fresh air and pure water. Should I pay for that too since obviously paying is so much better ?

On April 24 2012 00:36 skrjabin wrote:
This thread must be filled with younger nerds who have no real-word intelligence. MLG is a company, and companies have to make profits, or they die. To assume, just because MLG charges for services (no, no give me free stuff ... Spoiled brats) that it is not helping the scene shows high levels of ignorance. Production is not free. Get over it. If you can't cough up 10$ to watch something you "love," you might reconsider how much value you put into things.

To see two huge tournaments partner up should garner nothing but positive attention.
Are you guys growing eSports by whining about a company's business model?
*tumbleweeds roll by*
MLG is doing really great stuff, and to see them grow, along with other tournaments, should be a positive indicator that YOUR scene is growing.

On April 24 2012 07:01 Benjamin99 wrote:


Just becuase people dont got the same oppinion as yours doesnt make them younger nerds. MLG is a company and there goal in life is to make money. And thats my hole problem. This scene isnt big enough to support pure capitalisme. Its just isnt.

On April 24 2012 07:48 Pengalo wrote:


i once again have to defend the halo scene: first: without MLG there wouldnt be such a thing called "halo scene", you could compare it this way: what TL is to SC, that is MLG to halo. the halo scene actually only grew cuz of MLG! for a whole 7 or 8 years!

and the what happend to the halo scene isnt the mistake of MLG, its the mistake of bungie. imagine sc: heart of the swarm was total crap and nobody would play it after 3 months, would it be MLGs fault as well if nobody was intrested?. thats what happend with halo: reach. we can only hope h4 will be better.

On April 24 2012 07:01 Benjamin99 wrote:


Just becuase people dont got the same oppinion as yours doesnt make them younger nerds. MLG is a company and there goal in life is to make money. And thats my hole problem. This scene isnt big enough to support pure capitalisme. Its just isnt.

MLG arnt growing the sc2 scene. You know what would happend if MLG was the only sc2 tournament? The same thing that happend to the halo scene. Well there isnt much of a scene today but back in the day it was growing then came MLG and today well what a joke.

Im strongly against MLG the faster they fail and go bankrupt the better it is for the sc2 community. Then we can concentrate on growing sc2 instead of ripping of the few fans we got.

Look at Dreamhack thats how you grow an Esport.

The second thing I got to add is they are basically making money of the players hard work. What salery did Huk make for all his hard work this weekend? Nothing and at the same time Sundance is counting his PPV money. Discusting

On April 24 2012 07:01 Benjamin99 wrote:


Just becuase people dont got the same oppinion as yours doesnt make them younger nerds. MLG is a company and there goal in life is to make money. And thats my hole problem. This scene isnt big enough to support pure capitalisme. Its just isnt.

MLG arnt growing the sc2 scene. You know what would happend if MLG was the only sc2 tournament? The same thing that happend to the halo scene. Well there isnt much of a scene today but back in the day it was growing then came MLG and today well what a joke.

Im strongly against MLG the faster they fail and go bankrupt the better it is for the sc2 community. Then we can concentrate on growing sc2 instead of ripping of the few fans we got.

Look at Dreamhack thats how you grow an Esport.

The second thing I got to add is they are basically making money of the players hard work. What salery did Huk make for all his hard work this weekend? Nothing and at the same time Sundance is counting his PPV money. Discusting

On April 24 2012 08:03 ePLocust wrote:


Checking spelling would make your opinion much more respected. Most browsers today have a built in spell check for you.

Also, MLG going bankrupt would probably be one of the worst things that could happen. Losing that huge of a player in the scene will scare away sponsors and it would work against legitimizing the scene.

In response to your last part, yes the players work their asses off but so does the MLG staff. Running an event like an MLG is a huge task and it takes a lot of work along with them providing the opportunity for the players to make a living doing what they do. Discounting the work that they put into events just seems kind of ridiculous.