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On April 15 2012 00:33 mordk wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2012 00:27 marcesr wrote:On April 15 2012 00:23 mordk wrote:On April 15 2012 00:13 marcesr wrote:
Everything about this is great, but why all Koreans? I remember ESWC final with Stephano, the crowd was incredible. Does anyone think it will be close to that if Korean plays vs Korean? I dont. If the viewers actually like Starcraft, then it will lol the same debate over and over again. It is pretty normal that a French crowd (who loves starcraft if they pay 40€ for a ticket) cheers way louder for Stephano than for MKP...unless most of the people in the crowd are like you which would be REALLY REALLY weird. The thing is... people believe that for some obscure reason it is IMPOSSIBLE to feel attachment to korean players, they believe all korean players to be boring and without personalities. This is just ignorant, and it just means these people don't watch the GSL and don't want to invest the time on knowing the korean scene, and then they proceed to blame it on the players. I'm telling you, I go nuts when MC plays, not just because he's so good at SC2, but because he's such an awesome dude. And there are many players like that in the korean scene, you just have to know it.
Some player have awesome persona, but Koreans players are more or less copies of each other. Only the koreans with outstanding personalities have popularity in the foreign scene and they are not many : MC, viOlet, MKP, Polt etc etc ... Yeah aLive won IPL4 and it's great for him but what if GanZi would have won ? Would that change anything ? Absolutely not ? MC invested a lot of time for his foreign fan and it pays in the end. Why would I support someone who doesn't make the effort of learning English ? Polt did and he got my respect. Even Ukrainians speak it and education in Ukraine is much worse than in Korea. Your kind is so bent over worshiping Koreans because they allegedly train harder but when it comes to fan service one is much more lenient ...
PS : I'm not asking Maru to speak english at 14y old. Just someone around 18y old should be able to answer questions about his game in english.
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Anything with "Le" in its name is a guarantee for sophisticated SC2.
Good luck on selling the tickets though, 40euro sounds expensive to me.
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On April 15 2012 00:52 Otolia wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2012 00:33 mordk wrote:On April 15 2012 00:27 marcesr wrote:On April 15 2012 00:23 mordk wrote:On April 15 2012 00:13 marcesr wrote:
Everything about this is great, but why all Koreans? I remember ESWC final with Stephano, the crowd was incredible. Does anyone think it will be close to that if Korean plays vs Korean? I dont. If the viewers actually like Starcraft, then it will lol the same debate over and over again. It is pretty normal that a French crowd (who loves starcraft if they pay 40€ for a ticket) cheers way louder for Stephano than for MKP...unless most of the people in the crowd are like you which would be REALLY REALLY weird. The thing is... people believe that for some obscure reason it is IMPOSSIBLE to feel attachment to korean players, they believe all korean players to be boring and without personalities. This is just ignorant, and it just means these people don't watch the GSL and don't want to invest the time on knowing the korean scene, and then they proceed to blame it on the players. I'm telling you, I go nuts when MC plays, not just because he's so good at SC2, but because he's such an awesome dude. And there are many players like that in the korean scene, you just have to know it. Some player have awesome persona, but Koreans players are more or less copies of each other. Only the koreans with outstanding personalities have popularity in the foreign scene and they are not many : MC, viOlet, MKP, Polt etc etc ... Yeah aLive won IPL4 and it's great for him but what if GanZi would have won ? Would that change anything ? Absolutely not ? MC invested a lot of time for his foreign fan and it pays in the end. Why would I support someone who doesn't make the effort of learning English ? Polt did and he got my respect. Even Ukrainians speak it and education in Ukraine is much worse than in Korea. Your kind is so bent over worshiping Koreans because they allegedly train harder but when it comes to fan service one is much more lenient ... PS : I'm not asking Maru to speak english at 14y old. Just someone around 18y old should be able to answer questions about his game in english.
This just sounds like you want to see who won and nothing else. Like I said, if you like top Starcraft, you'll watch koreans gladly, which is logical since they train the hardest. Otherwise, I'd recommend just turning on the stream on the background so you can hear who wins the games.
Maybe GanZi would have shown us amazing games, that's enough difference to make it enjoyable for me, since I like to watch top Starcraft.
I'll root for Chile whenever they play in the Football World Cup, but when they lose and Germany faces Spain in the finals, I'll watch without a doubt, with a beer in my hand, with my friends, excited as hell.
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Like I said you are trying to prove that your point of view is the only worthy one without any good arguments. I tried to explain why I (and probably some others) don't support Koreans blindly just because they allegedly train harder. Enjoying great games has nothing to do with being a fan and supporting. I hope you grasp the difference I'm trying to explain here.
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That is sick! Looking forward to it.
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I wish I could go :-/
Why are you so far Paris?
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Nice one, will surely be awesome.
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On April 14 2012 00:45 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
40 bucks for a remarkable all day event is a pretty good price.
40 bucks for a remarkable all day StarCraft event, on a StarCraft nerd's budget, when asking StarCraft fans to come... is a not-so-good price.
hopefully you realize that it's 40 euros, not $40USD
Conversion rate aside, I think it's on the high end of the pricing spectrum, but the quality of the experience is also very high.
The price-point will definitely prevent some people from attending that would have attended at a lower price point, but they have to start high, as a price hike for future events (if their initial price point was too low) would be a mess on the PR front.
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On April 15 2012 01:32 Crilath wrote:
I wish I could go :-/
Why are you so far Paris?
It's not that far, if you can go in Lyon easily, you're just 1H30 from Paris 
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On April 15 2012 02:33 Agathon wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2012 01:32 Crilath wrote:
I wish I could go :-/
Why are you so far Paris? It's not that far, if you can go in Lyon easily, you're just 1H30 from Paris
From Lyon maybe, but from where i live, it's almost 7h =((((
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WOW the "Grand Rex" is one (the) most known cinema/theatre/big-places-with-lots-of-seats (what's the word in english?) in Paris, that's pretty huge. I live next to it, don't know if I'll have enough to pay for it but it sounds great.
AND I thought : if they advertise the thing a little bit, such an event in such a known place will not go unknonwn... Imagine a poster of sc2 like this :http://en.structurae.de/files/photos/64/paris_2eme_arrondissement/paris_le_cinema_le_grand_rex_1.jpg
( it's not like NYC, here in Paris it's the only place I can think of on a main street that is that big)
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On April 14 2012 23:29 Otolia wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2012 15:33 Torte de Lini wrote:
Those sponsors!
Holy cow, Iron Squid, I felt not enough people paid attention to this! - Alt-Tab is Pomf&Thud company
- Asus RoG is a new gamer brand who is looking to expand in France (personal sponsoring of MoMaN for example)
- Materiel.net is a market leader in hardware retail on internet. They sponsor a lot of teams on the scene.
- Eveneo is an association who is installing network for gaming LAN - They did the ESWC 2011
- Astro is a gaming gear brand.
- Twitch.tv is well known
- Game One is a cable TV company who is trying to expand its esports content (They are sending Adelscott to korea for a week)
Nothing out of the ordinary I think.
Talking in terms of spectators and viewership.
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If i was in the capital i would surely buy one of these, it is so stacked that watching it live would be awesome
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On April 15 2012 00:52 Otolia wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2012 00:33 mordk wrote:On April 15 2012 00:27 marcesr wrote:On April 15 2012 00:23 mordk wrote:On April 15 2012 00:13 marcesr wrote:
Everything about this is great, but why all Koreans? I remember ESWC final with Stephano, the crowd was incredible. Does anyone think it will be close to that if Korean plays vs Korean? I dont. If the viewers actually like Starcraft, then it will lol the same debate over and over again. It is pretty normal that a French crowd (who loves starcraft if they pay 40€ for a ticket) cheers way louder for Stephano than for MKP...unless most of the people in the crowd are like you which would be REALLY REALLY weird. The thing is... people believe that for some obscure reason it is IMPOSSIBLE to feel attachment to korean players, they believe all korean players to be boring and without personalities. This is just ignorant, and it just means these people don't watch the GSL and don't want to invest the time on knowing the korean scene, and then they proceed to blame it on the players. I'm telling you, I go nuts when MC plays, not just because he's so good at SC2, but because he's such an awesome dude. And there are many players like that in the korean scene, you just have to know it. Some player have awesome persona, but Koreans players are more or less copies of each other. Only the koreans with outstanding personalities have popularity in the foreign scene and they are not many : MC, viOlet, MKP, Polt etc etc ... Yeah aLive won IPL4 and it's great for him but what if GanZi would have won ? Would that change anything ? Absolutely not ? MC invested a lot of time for his foreign fan and it pays in the end. Why would I support someone who doesn't make the effort of learning English ? Polt did and he got my respect. Even Ukrainians speak it and education in Ukraine is much worse than in Korea. Your kind is so bent over worshiping Koreans because they allegedly train harder but when it comes to fan service one is much more lenient ... PS : I'm not asking Maru to speak english at 14y old. Just someone around 18y old should be able to answer questions about his game in english.
The thing is when you are lucky in France to have a french player able to compete with the best, you try your best to have him in your finals in Paris. Maybe it is not the best thing for equity, but it is the best thing for the french fans and the success of your tournament.
Other than that, and the fact koreans speak english really bad, and are very far from western culture, the most important thing is that it is not fun to watch a one-nation international tournament. It would be the same if only swedes dominated SC2 for example...
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On April 15 2012 08:31 Thurken wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2012 00:52 Otolia wrote:On April 15 2012 00:33 mordk wrote:On April 15 2012 00:27 marcesr wrote:On April 15 2012 00:23 mordk wrote:On April 15 2012 00:13 marcesr wrote:
Everything about this is great, but why all Koreans? I remember ESWC final with Stephano, the crowd was incredible. Does anyone think it will be close to that if Korean plays vs Korean? I dont. If the viewers actually like Starcraft, then it will lol the same debate over and over again. It is pretty normal that a French crowd (who loves starcraft if they pay 40€ for a ticket) cheers way louder for Stephano than for MKP...unless most of the people in the crowd are like you which would be REALLY REALLY weird. The thing is... people believe that for some obscure reason it is IMPOSSIBLE to feel attachment to korean players, they believe all korean players to be boring and without personalities. This is just ignorant, and it just means these people don't watch the GSL and don't want to invest the time on knowing the korean scene, and then they proceed to blame it on the players. I'm telling you, I go nuts when MC plays, not just because he's so good at SC2, but because he's such an awesome dude. And there are many players like that in the korean scene, you just have to know it. Some player have awesome persona, but Koreans players are more or less copies of each other. Only the koreans with outstanding personalities have popularity in the foreign scene and they are not many : MC, viOlet, MKP, Polt etc etc ... Yeah aLive won IPL4 and it's great for him but what if GanZi would have won ? Would that change anything ? Absolutely not ? MC invested a lot of time for his foreign fan and it pays in the end. Why would I support someone who doesn't make the effort of learning English ? Polt did and he got my respect. Even Ukrainians speak it and education in Ukraine is much worse than in Korea. Your kind is so bent over worshiping Koreans because they allegedly train harder but when it comes to fan service one is much more lenient ... PS : I'm not asking Maru to speak english at 14y old. Just someone around 18y old should be able to answer questions about his game in english. The thing is when you are lucky in France to have a french player able to compete with the best, you try your best to have him in your finals in Paris. Maybe it is not the best thing for equity, but it is the best thing for the french fans and the success of your tournament. Other than that, and the fact koreans speak english really bad, and are very far from western culture, the most important thing is that it is not fun to watch a one-nation international tournament. It would be the same if only swedes dominated SC2 for example...
The fact is that P&T are so funny, and even if the players are not french, they will make the crowd awesome. A P&T event is not comparable with the IPL or the MLG, people in the venue are here to see great games but to have fun too! Drink beer, talk with friends... Even if Stephano will not be here, it will be awesome !
making of of their last event (in french but you can see the environment ) :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rho787L3I80
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Hell !! I'm sure gonna come, with lots of friends, and celebrate my birthday in a great venture, being able to kiss MMA's feat and so on (:p).
On another topic, 35 € is a bit expensive for a SC2 event, not so expensive for the Grand Rex though - and since it's the only event in France with big names well good time to enjoy this.
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Does anyone knows if there also casters in english at the live event in paris? Because I'm thinking of flying to paris for this event
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On April 15 2012 23:37 Goliath1234 wrote:
Does anyone knows if there also casters in english at the live event in paris? Because I'm thinking of flying to paris for this event
Apollo and TB will be sitting in the back, casting a stream I would guess.
Anything else would be quite wierd with some aparently popular nativ speaking casters attached to the event.
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May 5th? damn, I have to be in Rotterdam that weekend, oh well, a pitty.
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EPT
