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R3DT1D3
Profile Joined January 2012
285 Posts
April 12 2012 17:22 GMT
#1181
On April 13 2012 00:55 Shiladie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 13 2012 00:36 SmileZerg wrote:
On April 13 2012 00:30 mastergriggy wrote:
I don't understand why they couldn't just make shredders ignore scvs, probes, and drones. That would solve the problem that unit that. There was a natural thing on C&C Tiberium Sun: Firestorm, and any vehicle that went over it would be slowly destroyed, but infantry were safe. If they applied that same sort of principle, it would no longer affect workers and solve the problem.

Although I really don't care what units make it in to be honest, I'm just excited for a new game.


There were enough other problems with the shredder to justify it's removal than the mineral line drop abuse. For example it was pretty much useless outside of the TvZ matchup because of its short range.


and in TvZ stacking 3 of them on a choke made it invulnerable to all attack pre-broodlord (because hydras are still useless as well)


Last I checked in the mod, roaches and hydras had no problem clearing them out with their higher HP/range.
cletas
Profile Joined June 2011
139 Posts
April 12 2012 17:23 GMT
#1182
This gives the protoss army some real reach to force an engagement on their terms in the end-game.



This makes my mind blead
magicturtle
Profile Joined June 2011
United States35 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-12 17:24:23
April 12 2012 17:24 GMT
#1183
Ya know, i am starting to feel that blizzard is just lazy alot of the time. Instead of trying to fix an EXISITING unit, they cram the carrier into the trash and try to fix a NEW unit that they had come up with... this doesn't even make logical sense imo why do they not try to fix the carrier instead of giving protoss an entirely new unit with much more balance issues than the carrier?
willoc
Profile Joined February 2011
Canada1530 Posts
April 12 2012 17:28 GMT
#1184
New Tempest = Colossus without legs?
Be bold and mighty forces will come to your aid!
halfies
Profile Joined November 2011
United Kingdom327 Posts
April 12 2012 17:29 GMT
#1185
On April 13 2012 02:23 cletas wrote:
Show nested quote +
This gives the protoss army some real reach to force an engagement on their terms in the end-game.



This makes my mind blead

as does your spelling of bleed
PassiveAce
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States18076 Posts
April 12 2012 17:33 GMT
#1186
hahaha I cant believe they havnt yet scraped nexus recall. I am gonna do some reallllllllly annoying builds if that comes out on day 1 of HOTS. no doubt it will be removed eventually. Protoss just gets a free scroll of town portal for every nexus with 75 energy or w/e? totally insane, I hope I get to use it.
Call me Marge Simpson cuz I love you homie
Yoduh
Profile Joined August 2010
United States216 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-12 17:39:05
April 12 2012 17:38 GMT
#1187
On April 13 2012 02:24 magicturtle wrote:
why do they not try to fix the carrier instead of giving protoss an entirely new unit with much more balance issues than the carrier?


Who says the new unit has "much more" balance issues than the carrier? Have you played with the tempest? Do you work for blizzard? They only changed its role from anti-air splash to ground/air siege because of the new phoenix upgrade, not because it was horribly imbalanced. Bottom line is neither of those roles could ever be filled by the carrier, even if they tried to "fix" it, hence why carrier has to go.
hitpoint
Profile Joined October 2010
United States1511 Posts
April 12 2012 17:41 GMT
#1188
Yay shredder is cut and overseer stays, awesome changes. Now they just need to scrap the tempest and fix carriers and we're good to go.
It's spelled LOSE not LOOSE.
Rumpus
Profile Joined August 2011
United States136 Posts
April 12 2012 17:41 GMT
#1189
I really wish they would've re-designed all of Zerg from the ground up. I know it sounds like a lot to ask and undertake, but come on, the race is just so poorly designed. Too many mechanical quirks and issues, far too linear, and most of the units are boring or garbage.
Grammin'
Daft Commander
Profile Joined April 2011
United States79 Posts
April 12 2012 17:44 GMT
#1190
"The tempest is currently a very long-ranged aerial siege weapon that can strike both air and ground targets."
-Taken from the Statement

"Carriers are the largest and most expensive air unit available for Protoss. Their main advantages are their long range and high mobility. "
-Taken from Liquipedia

The Carrier is supposed to be the role that the Tempest is going to in HotS, the thing is in the SC2 there too many things that are very effective against the Carrier, for example, vT: its marines and vikings, vZ its corruptors and hydralisks.

Marines are too good in SC2, since their are so effective. Corruptors, you can mass them up really easily and snipe the Carriers before they do any real damage and later turn into BroodLords.

Carriers are supposed to be that end game air unit that can target both air and ground. IMO, I think the Tempest will fail as much as the Carrier in SC2 unless it has some imbalanced damage or dps.
"I should have let him drown"
Doodsmack
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7224 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-12 17:55:17
April 12 2012 17:54 GMT
#1191
Amazing that after almost two years of release you guys still haven't learned the lesson that you can't predict the effects a patch will have on the game until you've tested the changes. 80% of the arguments in this thread are indistinguishable from those who said that removal of khaydarin amulet would make the HT obsolete. Smarten up.
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States46310 Posts
April 12 2012 17:56 GMT
#1192
On April 13 2012 01:37 PiPoGevy wrote:
Terran:
-bring back firebat
-bring back goliath
-make hellions drop spider mines
-remove thor (optional

Protoss:
-bring back carrier

Zerg
-Bring back scourge
-Get rid of curroptor...

THERE WE GO! :D


Or you could just play StarCraft 1?
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
-ForeverAlone-
Profile Joined June 2011
274 Posts
April 12 2012 17:59 GMT
#1193
On April 13 2012 02:33 PassiveAce wrote:
hahaha I cant believe they havnt yet scraped nexus recall. I am gonna do some reallllllllly annoying builds if that comes out on day 1 of HOTS. no doubt it will be removed eventually. Protoss just gets a free scroll of town portal for every nexus with 75 energy or w/e? totally insane, I hope I get to use it.

It's great from a defensive point of view, but with the warpgate ability, it's not like proxy Nexus would really change much.
omg terran is hard to play
Leviance
Profile Joined November 2009
Germany4079 Posts
April 12 2012 18:05 GMT
#1194
Wow I'm so glad they removed the shredder and the replicant.

Nexus recall could be a bit too powerful... we'll see. The different Nydus ideas are awesome :D For the spectators at least
"Blizzard is never gonna nerf Terran because of those American and European fuck" - Korean Netizen
how2TL
Profile Joined August 2010
1197 Posts
April 12 2012 18:07 GMT
#1195
On April 13 2012 02:59 -ForeverAlone- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 13 2012 02:33 PassiveAce wrote:
hahaha I cant believe they havnt yet scraped nexus recall. I am gonna do some reallllllllly annoying builds if that comes out on day 1 of HOTS. no doubt it will be removed eventually. Protoss just gets a free scroll of town portal for every nexus with 75 energy or w/e? totally insane, I hope I get to use it.

It's great from a defensive point of view, but with the warpgate ability, it's not like proxy Nexus would really change much.


When you're maxed out, it's certainly going to be a big deal.
QCD.GRudge
Profile Joined April 2012
Netherlands13 Posts
April 12 2012 18:24 GMT
#1196
The shredder looked a bit crazy eh? Maybe they can still use it, but it seemed too effective. Make it less powerful perhaps. Seems better then going through all the time to make a unit then just remove it. Perhaps changing some of its abilities also.
quantum chromodynamics
ssg
Profile Joined July 2011
United States1777 Posts
April 12 2012 18:35 GMT
#1197
Anyone think they are way behind in development? I mean it's not exactly a surprise, but there isn't even news of beta coming anytime remotely soon and WoL has been out for two years now. SC2 isn't WoW. By the time LotV comes out, I wonder how many people will even care.
ssg
Profile Joined July 2011
United States1777 Posts
April 12 2012 18:39 GMT
#1198
But man if they could sovle the tank issue with TvT, I think TvT will instantly become the best MU. Sad the other mirror are so far behind.
TheSymbiont
Profile Joined April 2012
United States7 Posts
April 12 2012 18:41 GMT
#1199
It seems to me that rather than introducing the tempest as a late game air siege unit, the simplest change would be to significantly increase the launch range of the carrier's interceptors. Increasing their range from 8 to (something like) 14 would greatly expand P options late in the game. Make it the longest-range unit in the game, but with an unchanged scout range so that it requires the use of spotters (i.e. observers) to fully utilize them, like a siege tank. That might actually make them worth the investment in money and (especially) time. With that kind of range even a single carrier would force a response from the opponent, if only in positioning.
Shiori
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
3815 Posts
April 12 2012 18:43 GMT
#1200
On April 13 2012 03:07 how2TL wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 13 2012 02:59 -ForeverAlone- wrote:
On April 13 2012 02:33 PassiveAce wrote:
hahaha I cant believe they havnt yet scraped nexus recall. I am gonna do some reallllllllly annoying builds if that comes out on day 1 of HOTS. no doubt it will be removed eventually. Protoss just gets a free scroll of town portal for every nexus with 75 energy or w/e? totally insane, I hope I get to use it.

It's great from a defensive point of view, but with the warpgate ability, it's not like proxy Nexus would really change much.


When you're maxed out, it's certainly going to be a big deal.

Considering we're apparently not gonna have Mothership to beat Infestor/BL, they better give our Nexus the ability to shoot nuclear missiles.
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