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Developers Update : Heart of the Swarm - Page 26

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stfouri
Profile Joined August 2010
Finland272 Posts
April 11 2012 19:45 GMT
#501
Great! I will be using my mmm ball against Protoss for another 2 years......
amazingxkcd
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
GRAND OLD AMERICA16375 Posts
April 11 2012 19:45 GMT
#502
Dark Swarm kekekekeke
The world is burning and you rather be on this terrible website discussing video games and your shallow feelings
nunez
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Norway4003 Posts
April 11 2012 19:45 GMT
#503
On April 12 2012 04:40 drbrown wrote:
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"as well as a worm that attacks only enemy buildings, meant to be used as a ground-based zerg base raider."


"Anya, it's a giant worm! They're sinking cities with a giant worm!"


when i read it i thought of dune ii! great game.
conspired against by a confederacy of dunces.
sAfuRos
Profile Joined March 2009
United States743 Posts
April 11 2012 19:47 GMT
#504
Blizzard special tactics: Makes horrible expansion to set extremely low expectations

Releases slightly less horrible update wins over hearts of fans
sAfuRos // twitch.tv/sAfuRos // contact for coaching
synapse
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
China13814 Posts
April 11 2012 19:48 GMT
#505
On April 12 2012 04:13 BlueLantern wrote:
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On April 12 2012 04:06 Demonhunter04 wrote:
On April 12 2012 03:56 BlueLantern wrote:
On April 12 2012 03:55 Demonhunter04 wrote:
On April 12 2012 03:19 Rkie wrote:
On April 12 2012 03:14 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
On April 12 2012 03:11 densha wrote:
I'm concerned that the Viper's "blind" spell is pointless.

It would have been very helpful to break entrenched positions and to help Z engage Protoss armies. Now that it only works on bio units I don't see the point - wouldn't you rather have infestors against bio?


Doesn't it make Terran bio somewhat... worthless? It's a mass optical flare right?


From my understanding, it was both sight and firing range. Optical Flare was just sight I think. If it is what I thought it to be, I don't really see that going into release. It makes any ranged unit that gets hit by it essentially useless, and Protoss needs that range to be able to fight Zerg.


It creates a cloud that you can just move out of...it's not permanent. See disruption web. It also only affects bio, so Protoss will be unaffected except for the case of high templar underneath the cloud.


LOL so it really is Dark Swarm but range reduced to 1 instead of 0? GG Blizzard the jig is up


No, it's not Dark Swarm. Dark Swarm makes units under the swarm immune to ranged attacks, but vulnerable to splash damage. Like I said, see Disruption Web.


I don't personally see a huge difference, if say, a Terran player had Dark Swarm or this new spell cast on their bio army, the only difference is that Terran wouldn't be able to fire until within 1 range instead of being completely negated. That's pretty ridiculous when combined with recharging energy from minerals and fungals from Infestors.

If T has an effective way to kill them (vikings could serve this purpose, esp since zerg doesn't really have anit-air) then it would be very similar to swarm vs irradiate, which was both awesome and very balanced.
:)
dCc
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada86 Posts
April 11 2012 19:49 GMT
#506
Protoss needs the tempest. Still no hard counter to mass mutas. Range phoenixes aren't practical as large numbers of them can't do much else and the tech switch takes time.
Bagi
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany6799 Posts
April 11 2012 19:49 GMT
#507
On April 12 2012 04:45 stfouri wrote:
Great! I will be using my mmm ball against Protoss for another 2 years......

I seriously don't know why people keep repeating this.

The battle hellion alone is a change 100% tailored to change the TvP match-up.
FoeHamr
Profile Joined December 2010
United States489 Posts
April 11 2012 19:49 GMT
#508
Surprisingly the unit I hate the most from what I have seen in Heart of the Swarm is the Swarm Host. It just seems like a shitty unit. I guess I just want my lurkers back,
I got 99 problems and a Terran ain't one
Randomaccount#77123
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States5003 Posts
April 11 2012 19:50 GMT
#509
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blinkingangels
Profile Joined June 2011
105 Posts
April 11 2012 19:52 GMT
#510
On April 12 2012 04:49 Bagi wrote:
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On April 12 2012 04:45 stfouri wrote:
Great! I will be using my mmm ball against Protoss for another 2 years......

I seriously don't know why people keep repeating this.

The battle hellion alone is a change 100% tailored to change the TvP match-up.

It's because Terran's have been begging for mech viability in TvP. If blizzard changes anything about Terran in HoTS, it has to be that.
KoBlades
Profile Joined April 2011
Austria248 Posts
April 11 2012 19:54 GMT
#511
i was hoping to read that the carrier was in again, maybe at a later stage, but these changes sound very interesting indeed! looking forward to beta!
"What do you know about fear?" -"Everything."
Egyptian_Head
Profile Joined October 2010
South Africa508 Posts
April 11 2012 19:54 GMT
#512
On April 12 2012 04:50 Barrin wrote:
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On April 12 2012 02:57 Froadac wrote:
I dunno. i just want some REAL zoning options at the disposal of all 3 races. :|

If only people had to take enough bases to make it actually useful.

Well we are moving in that direction slowly. As long as people can correctly read and counter all the two base pushes reliably which should happen at some point more bases is inevitable.
Mirosuu
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
England283 Posts
April 11 2012 19:56 GMT
#513
Sweet! The Viper sounds more and more like a neo-defiler. Now with it's "consume" like ability of consuming minerals for energy, quite like how consume worked for defilers which killed your own units for energy.
The more things change, the more they stay the same.
Randomaccount#77123
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States5003 Posts
April 11 2012 19:57 GMT
#514
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LazinCajun
Profile Joined July 2011
United States294 Posts
April 11 2012 19:58 GMT
#515
Barrin, you and your 6 min patches

I don't disagree, but it would involve rebalancing everything in the game. You'd need a major expansion or something to do that.
Tausken
Profile Joined March 2011
United States81 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-11 20:05:56
April 11 2012 19:59 GMT
#516
I am honestly quite dissapointed in the changes, I don't like the idea of removing the shredder completely and going with anti air mines. Terran, especially mech Terran needs better board control for some of these bigger maps. Just give us regular spider mines already. Just to clarify, I agree the shredder was a bad unit, but removing the idea of ground board control completely seems goofy. But then again they did say Terrran was the focus now.

But I am not really sure why they don't like the warhound, in theory it sounds like a great unit. It has mechanical DPS so you can actually mech TvP, and it allows mutas to be more effective lategame, and less effective early game which is the exact problem the thor creates of to much splash. I think blizzard is trying to hard to make a new unit and not realizing they already have a good one, it just needed to be downsized.

I don't really know what to think of the long ranged missile launcher, it just sounds silly.

I can see how the new tempest could be great for broodlord fights, but not sure about how it fits.

I don't like how they kept mass recall on the nexus either. Toss already has force fields to prevent bad engagements it doesn't want (see parting's FF usage). Why are they adding a mechanic that is so forgiving to the game, it just seems dumb.

I am also surprised burrowed moving banelings and ultralisk charge were not mentioned, I was sure they would be taken out. I might be stretching an idea to much, but I feel those two combined with this disruption web spell, could make Terran biomech rather impossible for TvZ. I just don't see how a Terran biomech can survive against that, currently Zerg's go for Infestor, Blord, corrupter and then transition to mass ultras. If you pummeled your opponent with Disruption web, Fungal and burrowed ultras seems to much.

Glad the oracle is still in, its an amazingly well designed unit. Also seems as if the battle hellion is still around which is great for meching players.

I am just worried that the game is becoming to much about spellcasters. Toss are beginning to use Templars more than Collosus, Zerg are using Infestor instead of mutas. Now their is discussion on a Terran missile caster. An almost confirmed zerg 2nd caster....Just seems silly when you win battles by pressing T T T or F F F F a bunch of times.
Peace Through Power
amazingxkcd
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
GRAND OLD AMERICA16375 Posts
April 11 2012 20:02 GMT
#517
On April 12 2012 04:57 Barrin wrote:
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On April 12 2012 03:06 Bagi wrote:
On April 12 2012 03:00 Odal wrote:
So what's the point of the tempest? And what does the tempest do that a slightly tweaked carrier couldn't? I feel like an artist designed a cool ship model and now they are doing anything they can to squeeze it into the game, lol.

It can serve a splash damage role anti-air.

It also isn't crippled by marines, which is a big problem with the carriers viability in SC2. A ball of tightly packed marines (or even hydras) just shred interceptors apart, and if you give them enough health to survive that they become OP against everything else. The interceptor just doesn't fit within the SC2 engine with a lot of damage and firepower in tighter formations, BW obviously was different.

Maybe if you were forced to make units more slowly due to less income. Hmmm...


Nice allusions towards 7m1g....

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I support that notion too
The world is burning and you rather be on this terrible website discussing video games and your shallow feelings
GuardianEU
Profile Joined June 2011
Netherlands488 Posts
April 11 2012 20:04 GMT
#518
On April 12 2012 04:57 Barrin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 12 2012 03:06 Bagi wrote:
On April 12 2012 03:00 Odal wrote:
So what's the point of the tempest? And what does the tempest do that a slightly tweaked carrier couldn't? I feel like an artist designed a cool ship model and now they are doing anything they can to squeeze it into the game, lol.

It can serve a splash damage role anti-air.

It also isn't crippled by marines, which is a big problem with the carriers viability in SC2. A ball of tightly packed marines (or even hydras) just shred interceptors apart, and if you give them enough health to survive that they become OP against everything else. The interceptor just doesn't fit within the SC2 engine with a lot of damage and firepower in tighter formations, BW obviously was different.

Maybe if you were forced to make units more slowly due to less income. Hmmm...


I see what you did there ^^
Standard.
GuardianEU
Profile Joined June 2011
Netherlands488 Posts
April 11 2012 20:05 GMT
#519
On April 12 2012 04:58 LazinCajun wrote:
Barrin, you and your 6 min patches

I don't disagree, but it would involve rebalancing everything in the game. You'd need a major expansion or something to do that.

isn't HotS the perfect opportunity then?
Standard.
R0YAL
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States1768 Posts
April 11 2012 20:07 GMT
#520
On April 12 2012 04:49 FoeHamr wrote:
Surprisingly the unit I hate the most from what I have seen in Heart of the Swarm is the Swarm Host. It just seems like a shitty unit. I guess I just want my lurkers back,

You're giving the Swarm Host way too much credit. I would much rather have a shittier version of the Lurker over the Swarm Host. The Swarm Host literally serves no purpose other than parking it outside of the opponents base so it can spawn one beetle that is somehow more durable than a Hydralisk. Blizzard is doing a pretty poor job at making dynamic units in SC2.
Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.
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