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[IPL4] Open Bracket Released - Page 8

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Eurytos
Profile Joined August 2010
Singapore97 Posts
April 04 2012 13:05 GMT
#141
Are group games bo3 or bo1?
Asha
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom38257 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-04 13:06:14
April 04 2012 13:05 GMT
#142
On April 04 2012 21:55 Bumblebee wrote:What are your opinions out there? Do you think it'd be fair to put what team people are on into such an equation?


Team kills should be the last consideration when making a bracket.
Bumblebee
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
3237 Posts
April 04 2012 13:06 GMT
#143
No, you're right. It's not THAT bad. In fact it's not bad at all, but I'm just trying to see what the opinions are on putting your team into the equation of these kind of things as well, so we can prevent team kills if that is in the interest of tournaments and fans as well. I mean bracket 3 doesn't have a single Liquid player in it, so there'd definitely be room for improvement. The question is just is it fair and do you think something should be done about it.

As I said I don't really have a refined opinion on it and yeah, we do have a lot of people there, so it's going to be impossible. But meeting in round 4 instead of round 3 would be a huge improvement even.
There is no difference between a knight and any other man aside from what he wears. @robinnymann
Funq
Profile Joined December 2011
Netherlands77 Posts
April 04 2012 13:07 GMT
#144
I agree with the posters above. And on the plus side a team kill also means a guaranteed team advance. In such a stacked tournament that might even be slightly beneficial.
I go to 11
Seldentar
Profile Joined May 2011
United States888 Posts
April 04 2012 13:08 GMT
#145
On April 04 2012 18:08 Orracle wrote:
Really makes me happy to see that the bracket is so spread out. Not really any matches where two big name players are going to be faced being put into the loser bracket in the first round. Should provide some great games.


Yea but poor NoNy is going to have to face Leenock, and I can't imagine him pulling the upset. He's almost guaranteed to go to losers bracket immediately T.T
Xoronius
Profile Joined July 2011
Germany6362 Posts
April 04 2012 13:09 GMT
#146
On April 04 2012 21:55 Bumblebee wrote:
I don't really have a refined opinion on team kills in such brackets. It's sort of just tough luck, but I wonder if there can't be done something to prevent it at least for a while or not "that many". If you look over the bracket, we - Team Liquid - kill eachother very early all over the bracket. It's just not worthwhile business for us to send so many players to such events if they're going to eliminate eachother that early. I'm not saying we can prevent teamkills all the way until the bracket finals - or we almost can, but I don't expect it. I'm just simply thinking if there isn't a fair way to draft so that we won't have 2-3 teamkills in the third round?

What are your opinions out there? Do you think it'd be fair to put what team people are on into such an equation?


I think the seeding should be done without considering, that Teamkills could happen, because avoiding Teamkills could lead into two stronger players running into eachother. Take Taeja as an example, he should be one of the stronger guys in the open bracket. If the two options would be him running into Nony or him running into Jjakji for example, I would always prefer the first option. It would maybe be unfortunate for Liquid, but in the end, it is better for Taeja and Jjakji, who both are good contenders for the pool play. It could be even worse, if thrid parties get a disadvantage. I am sure, you would´nt be pleased, if one of your players has to face PartinG in the first round, so that an early Empire or Complexity Teamkill can be avoided.
Elem
Profile Joined April 2011
Sweden4717 Posts
April 04 2012 13:11 GMT
#147
Fuck yeah, go Moon, HayprO and KawaiiRice! Pull off the upset, guys! I believe! :D So hyped!
#freeshauni
Bumblebee
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
3237 Posts
April 04 2012 13:14 GMT
#148
On April 04 2012 22:09 Xoronius wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 04 2012 21:55 Bumblebee wrote:
I don't really have a refined opinion on team kills in such brackets. It's sort of just tough luck, but I wonder if there can't be done something to prevent it at least for a while or not "that many". If you look over the bracket, we - Team Liquid - kill eachother very early all over the bracket. It's just not worthwhile business for us to send so many players to such events if they're going to eliminate eachother that early. I'm not saying we can prevent teamkills all the way until the bracket finals - or we almost can, but I don't expect it. I'm just simply thinking if there isn't a fair way to draft so that we won't have 2-3 teamkills in the third round?

What are your opinions out there? Do you think it'd be fair to put what team people are on into such an equation?


I think the seeding should be done without considering, that Teamkills could happen, because avoiding Teamkills could lead into two stronger players running into eachother. Take Taeja as an example, he should be one of the stronger guys in the open bracket. If the two options would be him running into Nony or him running into Jjakji for example, I would always prefer the first option. It would maybe be unfortunate for Liquid, but in the end, it is better for Taeja and Jjakji, who both are good contenders for the pool play. It could be even worse, if thrid parties get a disadvantage. I am sure, you would´nt be pleased, if one of your players has to face PartinG in the first round, so that an early Empire or Complexity Teamkill can be avoided.

I definitely agree, but let's say you would have two matches of equal skill. Let's go with an example (this is now what is in this bracket, but it's the idea I'm going for)

HerO vs X
PuMa vs Y

If PuMa currently run into HuK in the third round and HerO run into Ret. Would you think it waas fair if these matches were swapped around, so it was that HerO would meet HuK insteaad of Ret and PuMa would meet Ret instead of HuK?
There is no difference between a knight and any other man aside from what he wears. @robinnymann
StarVe
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany13591 Posts
April 04 2012 13:17 GMT
#149
On April 04 2012 22:05 Eurytos wrote:
Are group games bo3 or bo1?


BO3.
GodOfWar
Profile Joined December 2011
870 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-04 13:26:57
April 04 2012 13:18 GMT
#150
On April 04 2012 22:08 Seldentar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 04 2012 18:08 Orracle wrote:
Really makes me happy to see that the bracket is so spread out. Not really any matches where two big name players are going to be faced being put into the loser bracket in the first round. Should provide some great games.


Yea but poor NoNy is going to have to face Leenock, and I can't imagine him pulling the upset. He's almost guaranteed to go to losers bracket immediately T.T


who cares about Tyler

the dude never was any good anyway
Mvp Moon Squirtle
zul
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Germany5427 Posts
April 04 2012 13:21 GMT
#151
On April 04 2012 22:14 Bumblebee wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 04 2012 22:09 Xoronius wrote:
On April 04 2012 21:55 Bumblebee wrote:
I don't really have a refined opinion on team kills in such brackets. It's sort of just tough luck, but I wonder if there can't be done something to prevent it at least for a while or not "that many". If you look over the bracket, we - Team Liquid - kill eachother very early all over the bracket. It's just not worthwhile business for us to send so many players to such events if they're going to eliminate eachother that early. I'm not saying we can prevent teamkills all the way until the bracket finals - or we almost can, but I don't expect it. I'm just simply thinking if there isn't a fair way to draft so that we won't have 2-3 teamkills in the third round?

What are your opinions out there? Do you think it'd be fair to put what team people are on into such an equation?


I think the seeding should be done without considering, that Teamkills could happen, because avoiding Teamkills could lead into two stronger players running into eachother. Take Taeja as an example, he should be one of the stronger guys in the open bracket. If the two options would be him running into Nony or him running into Jjakji for example, I would always prefer the first option. It would maybe be unfortunate for Liquid, but in the end, it is better for Taeja and Jjakji, who both are good contenders for the pool play. It could be even worse, if thrid parties get a disadvantage. I am sure, you would´nt be pleased, if one of your players has to face PartinG in the first round, so that an early Empire or Complexity Teamkill can be avoided.

I definitely agree, but let's say you would have two matches of equal skill. Let's go with an example (this is now what is in this bracket, but it's the idea I'm going for)

HerO vs X
PuMa vs Y

If PuMa currently run into HuK in the third round and HerO run into Ret. Would you think it waas fair if these matches were swapped around, so it was that HerO would meet HuK insteaad of Ret and PuMa would meet Ret instead of HuK?

I disagree.

There should be no influence on how the bracket is put together, no matter what. All players who compete in a tournament like this should be drawn from one pool and let luck decide who plays who.
keep it deep! @zulison
Tenks
Profile Joined April 2010
United States3104 Posts
April 04 2012 13:22 GMT
#152
When did HasHe switch to Toss?
Wat
Bumblebee
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
3237 Posts
April 04 2012 13:23 GMT
#153
On April 04 2012 22:21 zul wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 04 2012 22:14 Bumblebee wrote:
On April 04 2012 22:09 Xoronius wrote:
On April 04 2012 21:55 Bumblebee wrote:
I don't really have a refined opinion on team kills in such brackets. It's sort of just tough luck, but I wonder if there can't be done something to prevent it at least for a while or not "that many". If you look over the bracket, we - Team Liquid - kill eachother very early all over the bracket. It's just not worthwhile business for us to send so many players to such events if they're going to eliminate eachother that early. I'm not saying we can prevent teamkills all the way until the bracket finals - or we almost can, but I don't expect it. I'm just simply thinking if there isn't a fair way to draft so that we won't have 2-3 teamkills in the third round?

What are your opinions out there? Do you think it'd be fair to put what team people are on into such an equation?


I think the seeding should be done without considering, that Teamkills could happen, because avoiding Teamkills could lead into two stronger players running into eachother. Take Taeja as an example, he should be one of the stronger guys in the open bracket. If the two options would be him running into Nony or him running into Jjakji for example, I would always prefer the first option. It would maybe be unfortunate for Liquid, but in the end, it is better for Taeja and Jjakji, who both are good contenders for the pool play. It could be even worse, if thrid parties get a disadvantage. I am sure, you would´nt be pleased, if one of your players has to face PartinG in the first round, so that an early Empire or Complexity Teamkill can be avoided.

I definitely agree, but let's say you would have two matches of equal skill. Let's go with an example (this is now what is in this bracket, but it's the idea I'm going for)

HerO vs X
PuMa vs Y

If PuMa currently run into HuK in the third round and HerO run into Ret. Would you think it waas fair if these matches were swapped around, so it was that HerO would meet HuK insteaad of Ret and PuMa would meet Ret instead of HuK?

I disagree.

There should be no influence on how the bracket is put together, no matter what. All players who compete in a tournament like this should be drawn from one pool and let luck decide who plays who.

It's not about disagreeing. I'm not saying it should be like this. I'm just interested in what you guys think because I don't really know my own opinion on it yet.
There is no difference between a knight and any other man aside from what he wears. @robinnymann
DropTester
Profile Joined April 2010
Australia608 Posts
April 04 2012 13:23 GMT
#154
I think that there should be at least a more even spread of team players between the four brackets to try and minimise teamkills although I know that would be very hard. Unlucky for liquid
zul
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Germany5427 Posts
April 04 2012 13:24 GMT
#155
On April 04 2012 22:23 Bumblebee wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 04 2012 22:21 zul wrote:
On April 04 2012 22:14 Bumblebee wrote:
On April 04 2012 22:09 Xoronius wrote:
On April 04 2012 21:55 Bumblebee wrote:
I don't really have a refined opinion on team kills in such brackets. It's sort of just tough luck, but I wonder if there can't be done something to prevent it at least for a while or not "that many". If you look over the bracket, we - Team Liquid - kill eachother very early all over the bracket. It's just not worthwhile business for us to send so many players to such events if they're going to eliminate eachother that early. I'm not saying we can prevent teamkills all the way until the bracket finals - or we almost can, but I don't expect it. I'm just simply thinking if there isn't a fair way to draft so that we won't have 2-3 teamkills in the third round?

What are your opinions out there? Do you think it'd be fair to put what team people are on into such an equation?


I think the seeding should be done without considering, that Teamkills could happen, because avoiding Teamkills could lead into two stronger players running into eachother. Take Taeja as an example, he should be one of the stronger guys in the open bracket. If the two options would be him running into Nony or him running into Jjakji for example, I would always prefer the first option. It would maybe be unfortunate for Liquid, but in the end, it is better for Taeja and Jjakji, who both are good contenders for the pool play. It could be even worse, if thrid parties get a disadvantage. I am sure, you would´nt be pleased, if one of your players has to face PartinG in the first round, so that an early Empire or Complexity Teamkill can be avoided.

I definitely agree, but let's say you would have two matches of equal skill. Let's go with an example (this is now what is in this bracket, but it's the idea I'm going for)

HerO vs X
PuMa vs Y

If PuMa currently run into HuK in the third round and HerO run into Ret. Would you think it waas fair if these matches were swapped around, so it was that HerO would meet HuK insteaad of Ret and PuMa would meet Ret instead of HuK?

I disagree.

There should be no influence on how the bracket is put together, no matter what. All players who compete in a tournament like this should be drawn from one pool and let luck decide who plays who.

It's not about disagreeing. I'm not saying it should be like this. I'm just interested in what you guys think because I don't really know my own opinion on it yet.

ah ok now you know my opinion on the matter anyways ^________________^
keep it deep! @zulison
rrwrwx
Profile Joined March 2011
United States247 Posts
April 04 2012 13:24 GMT
#156
HA! Nice, Haypro! Only one with a BYE First round
BSTiberius
Profile Joined September 2011
United States2 Posts
April 04 2012 13:24 GMT
#157
SILVAWARE all the way!
Xoronius
Profile Joined July 2011
Germany6362 Posts
April 04 2012 13:26 GMT
#158
On April 04 2012 22:14 Bumblebee wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 04 2012 22:09 Xoronius wrote:
On April 04 2012 21:55 Bumblebee wrote:
I don't really have a refined opinion on team kills in such brackets. It's sort of just tough luck, but I wonder if there can't be done something to prevent it at least for a while or not "that many". If you look over the bracket, we - Team Liquid - kill eachother very early all over the bracket. It's just not worthwhile business for us to send so many players to such events if they're going to eliminate eachother that early. I'm not saying we can prevent teamkills all the way until the bracket finals - or we almost can, but I don't expect it. I'm just simply thinking if there isn't a fair way to draft so that we won't have 2-3 teamkills in the third round?

What are your opinions out there? Do you think it'd be fair to put what team people are on into such an equation?


I think the seeding should be done without considering, that Teamkills could happen, because avoiding Teamkills could lead into two stronger players running into eachother. Take Taeja as an example, he should be one of the stronger guys in the open bracket. If the two options would be him running into Nony or him running into Jjakji for example, I would always prefer the first option. It would maybe be unfortunate for Liquid, but in the end, it is better for Taeja and Jjakji, who both are good contenders for the pool play. It could be even worse, if thrid parties get a disadvantage. I am sure, you would´nt be pleased, if one of your players has to face PartinG in the first round, so that an early Empire or Complexity Teamkill can be avoided.

I definitely agree, but let's say you would have two matches of equal skill. Let's go with an example (this is now what is in this bracket, but it's the idea I'm going for)

HerO vs X
PuMa vs Y

If PuMa currently run into HuK in the third round and HerO run into Ret. Would you think it waas fair if these matches were swapped around, so it was that HerO would meet HuK insteaad of Ret and PuMa would meet Ret instead of HuK?


I think, in thise case, you could argue, that it is better to swap the opponents. But than you run into the problem, that noone really knows, what the definiton of "equal skill" is. If you take the last MLG open bracket for example. Are Stephano and Polt equally skilled? Polt and Sheth? Stephano and Sheth? Stephano, Polt, Sheth and KawaiiRice (who came out on top of that bracket)? Who can say, that two guys would be equally skilled? And where is the border, between "equal" and "worse/better"? (And why are there still american flags on the MLG-LP-Page, April first is long gone?) I think, there is no real solution for this problem. MU´s are another factor. In the example you gave, if teamkills are allowed, Puma and HerO are the favorites, if you swap them, HuK and Ret would have the better chance.
zelgadissan
Profile Joined October 2010
United States389 Posts
April 04 2012 13:29 GMT
#159
Gogo silvaWare! Random fighting

On a side note, poor Nony Sometimes it seems like the matches he gets are designed to knock him out early
"It's like Detroit in there" "Lots of shootings and damaged buildings" - Artosis/Tasteless
RoachCoach
Profile Joined September 2011
Netherlands58 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-04 13:30:48
April 04 2012 13:30 GMT
#160
[image loading]
isn't there an error in the bracket infographic at the end?
It is time! - Yes! - Nestea walks over. Lightballs pop. Women faint, Men faint, things fall from the ceiling. - Stars explode. - Thats right. Black holes are made. - THIS STUPID GODDAMN NERDS! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u7KD6L23MUQ
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