EPT[IPL4] Open Bracket Released - Page 8
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Eurytos
Singapore97 Posts
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Asha
United Kingdom38257 Posts
On April 04 2012 21:55 Bumblebee wrote:What are your opinions out there? Do you think it'd be fair to put what team people are on into such an equation? Team kills should be the last consideration when making a bracket. | ||
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Bumblebee
3237 Posts
As I said I don't really have a refined opinion on it and yeah, we do have a lot of people there, so it's going to be impossible. But meeting in round 4 instead of round 3 would be a huge improvement even. | ||
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Funq
Netherlands77 Posts
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Seldentar
United States888 Posts
On April 04 2012 18:08 Orracle wrote: Really makes me happy to see that the bracket is so spread out. Not really any matches where two big name players are going to be faced being put into the loser bracket in the first round. Should provide some great games. Yea but poor NoNy is going to have to face Leenock, and I can't imagine him pulling the upset. He's almost guaranteed to go to losers bracket immediately T.T | ||
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Xoronius
Germany6362 Posts
On April 04 2012 21:55 Bumblebee wrote: I don't really have a refined opinion on team kills in such brackets. It's sort of just tough luck, but I wonder if there can't be done something to prevent it at least for a while or not "that many". If you look over the bracket, we - Team Liquid - kill eachother very early all over the bracket. It's just not worthwhile business for us to send so many players to such events if they're going to eliminate eachother that early. I'm not saying we can prevent teamkills all the way until the bracket finals - or we almost can, but I don't expect it. I'm just simply thinking if there isn't a fair way to draft so that we won't have 2-3 teamkills in the third round? What are your opinions out there? Do you think it'd be fair to put what team people are on into such an equation? I think the seeding should be done without considering, that Teamkills could happen, because avoiding Teamkills could lead into two stronger players running into eachother. Take Taeja as an example, he should be one of the stronger guys in the open bracket. If the two options would be him running into Nony or him running into Jjakji for example, I would always prefer the first option. It would maybe be unfortunate for Liquid, but in the end, it is better for Taeja and Jjakji, who both are good contenders for the pool play. It could be even worse, if thrid parties get a disadvantage. I am sure, you would´nt be pleased, if one of your players has to face PartinG in the first round, so that an early Empire or Complexity Teamkill can be avoided. | ||
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Elem
Sweden4717 Posts
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Bumblebee
3237 Posts
On April 04 2012 22:09 Xoronius wrote: I think the seeding should be done without considering, that Teamkills could happen, because avoiding Teamkills could lead into two stronger players running into eachother. Take Taeja as an example, he should be one of the stronger guys in the open bracket. If the two options would be him running into Nony or him running into Jjakji for example, I would always prefer the first option. It would maybe be unfortunate for Liquid, but in the end, it is better for Taeja and Jjakji, who both are good contenders for the pool play. It could be even worse, if thrid parties get a disadvantage. I am sure, you would´nt be pleased, if one of your players has to face PartinG in the first round, so that an early Empire or Complexity Teamkill can be avoided. I definitely agree, but let's say you would have two matches of equal skill. Let's go with an example (this is now what is in this bracket, but it's the idea I'm going for) HerO vs X PuMa vs Y If PuMa currently run into HuK in the third round and HerO run into Ret. Would you think it waas fair if these matches were swapped around, so it was that HerO would meet HuK insteaad of Ret and PuMa would meet Ret instead of HuK? | ||
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StarVe
Germany13591 Posts
On April 04 2012 22:05 Eurytos wrote: Are group games bo3 or bo1? BO3. | ||
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GodOfWar
870 Posts
On April 04 2012 22:08 Seldentar wrote: Yea but poor NoNy is going to have to face Leenock, and I can't imagine him pulling the upset. He's almost guaranteed to go to losers bracket immediately T.T who cares about Tyler  the dude never was any good anyway | ||
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zul
Germany5427 Posts
On April 04 2012 22:14 Bumblebee wrote: I definitely agree, but let's say you would have two matches of equal skill. Let's go with an example (this is now what is in this bracket, but it's the idea I'm going for) HerO vs X PuMa vs Y If PuMa currently run into HuK in the third round and HerO run into Ret. Would you think it waas fair if these matches were swapped around, so it was that HerO would meet HuK insteaad of Ret and PuMa would meet Ret instead of HuK? I disagree. There should be no influence on how the bracket is put together, no matter what. All players who compete in a tournament like this should be drawn from one pool and let luck decide who plays who. | ||
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Tenks
United States3104 Posts
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Bumblebee
3237 Posts
On April 04 2012 22:21 zul wrote: I disagree. There should be no influence on how the bracket is put together, no matter what. All players who compete in a tournament like this should be drawn from one pool and let luck decide who plays who. It's not about disagreeing. I'm not saying it should be like this. I'm just interested in what you guys think because I don't really know my own opinion on it yet. | ||
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DropTester
Australia608 Posts
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zul
Germany5427 Posts
On April 04 2012 22:23 Bumblebee wrote: It's not about disagreeing. I'm not saying it should be like this. I'm just interested in what you guys think because I don't really know my own opinion on it yet. ah ok  now you know my opinion on the matter anyways ^________________^ | ||
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rrwrwx
United States247 Posts
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BSTiberius
United States2 Posts
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Xoronius
Germany6362 Posts
On April 04 2012 22:14 Bumblebee wrote: I definitely agree, but let's say you would have two matches of equal skill. Let's go with an example (this is now what is in this bracket, but it's the idea I'm going for) HerO vs X PuMa vs Y If PuMa currently run into HuK in the third round and HerO run into Ret. Would you think it waas fair if these matches were swapped around, so it was that HerO would meet HuK insteaad of Ret and PuMa would meet Ret instead of HuK? I think, in thise case, you could argue, that it is better to swap the opponents. But than you run into the problem, that noone really knows, what the definiton of "equal skill" is. If you take the last MLG open bracket for example. Are Stephano and Polt equally skilled? Polt and Sheth? Stephano and Sheth? Stephano, Polt, Sheth and KawaiiRice (who came out on top of that bracket)? Who can say, that two guys would be equally skilled? And where is the border, between "equal" and "worse/better"? (And why are there still american flags on the MLG-LP-Page, April first is long gone?) I think, there is no real solution for this problem. MU´s are another factor. In the example you gave, if teamkills are allowed, Puma and HerO are the favorites, if you swap them, HuK and Ret would have the better chance. | ||
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zelgadissan
United States389 Posts
On a side note, poor Nony Sometimes it seems like the matches he gets are designed to knock him out early | ||
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RoachCoach
Netherlands58 Posts
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/ajuW4.png) isn't there an error in the bracket infographic at the end? | ||
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