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Hey guys, so I just decided to seriously switch over from WoW to SC2 and I've been learning a lot about the game over the past month or so. One thing I haven't been able to find very much info on is what players use their gaming mice buttons for. I searched teamliquid and couldn't really find what I was looking for.
Coming from an MMO I of course had a multi button mouse. In specific, I use the Logitech G700 but it really doesn't matter what mouse you use. I'm just looking for theories and philosophies for what works best in SC2 as a mouse button.
You see in WoW it was easy for me, I put most of my instant cast abilities on my mouse so that they never interfered with movement on my left hand using WASD. Then I put most of my casted abilities and some less used instants around WASD. However, for SC2 I'm new and lack the experience to know what goes best.
Recently I've been experimenting using my 4 thumb buttons as my army and specific units in it (like colossi, sentries, ht, etc) however I've recently begun thinking that this might be a mistake. My thinking is that it would be quicker and more accurate to combo army/unit selection from my left hand (using 1-4) and their attack/move order with my mouse.
So that's left me thinking what should I use my mouse buttons for? Snap to locations like F5-8? Should I use them for unit producing structures like my Robo/Stargates so I can quickly combo them with the unit I want to build on my left hand? Is there something else I'm missing? I mean I have 13 buttons on this mouse and I don't know what to use them all for. Those of you with multi-button mice, what do you your mouse buttons for?
I'm just trying to refine my control before these keybinds become muscle memory like it was for me in WoW and I'm trying to break bad habits way down the road. Thanks for your help in advance and I'm sorry if this has already been asked, I swear I searched multiple times and multiple ways.
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I don't use the buttons on my death adder because I feel it would be gimmicky.
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I use them for the 9 and 0 control groups and put queens and hatches on those to free up the other hotkeys for units, overlords and buildings which have upgrades on them.
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On March 17 2012 15:11 Sotark wrote:
I don't use the buttons on my death adder because I feel it would be gimmicky.
This.
Also, using your mouse buttons would reduce your mouse accuracy if you're pressing it and aiming at something at the same time
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As far as I know no pro gamer uses a mouse with more than 3 used buttons. It's not necissary.
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Don't use buttons on your mouse, it will probably slow down your mouse movements and generally distract you.
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Back in my unfortunate days of playing WoW, I used my extra mouse buttons for binds too, and was wondering how I could make use of them in SC2, but I actually didn't find anything I disliked about the SC2 bind collection. I rebound my base key from backspace to tilde and rebound patrol from P to Q and was pretty happy with everything else. I use one of the buttons to enter my password instantly, and that's about it.
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Hmm... I've been noticing that pro's seem to stick to smaller/faster, what seem like more FPS styled mice for SC2. Perhaps it's time to sell this monster and break out the old Razer Lachesis...
On March 17 2012 15:18 MaV_gGSC wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2012 15:11 Sotark wrote:
I don't use the buttons on my death adder because I feel it would be gimmicky. This. Also, using your mouse buttons would reduce your mouse accuracy if you're pressing it and aiming at something at the same time
This is exactly why I was thinking having my army bound to my mouse was a bad idea.
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i have forward and back buttons on the side, i use them when watching replays to speed up, slow down the rep.
i use the middle mouse button (click it down) to pause
:D
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on my steelseries xai; i use my back/forward mouse buttons for 2 control groups for obs;
sometimes switch 1 for a warp prism hot key.
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I use an intellimouse so... yea
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Backward mouse button = base camera thingy (backspace is its original hotkey). I recently made a new hotkey setup, and forgot to include that. Made my life misery for a game. I realised I used it ALOT as terran. for ez fast mules to building crap.
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The only mouse buttons I use for SC are left and right click. Everything else goes on the keyboard.
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I use mouse5 for like DTs or phoenix sometimes.
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i never tried it but it seems like it might be useful to put the control key on the mouse because i have a hard time streatching my hand from control to the 8 9 or 0 control group
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With my left mousebutton I can select my units and builds. I can also use it to build units, when klicking on them while selecting a building(Which I never do, since keyboard is much faster).
With my right mousebutton I can send units and attack stuff.
Maybe a bit gimmicky for some of you, but I can also use my mousewheel to zoom in and out 
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I just use the back button for the base camera
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On March 17 2012 15:23 AGIANTSMURF wrote:
i have forward and back buttons on the side, i use them when watching replays to speed up, slow down the rep.
i use the middle mouse button (click it down) to pause
:D
That is an amazing idea. Never even thought of that!
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I use mouse4 for my main base location and mouse5 for my natural. Doesn't affect my mouse pointing at all.
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I don't use my mouse buttons for anything. Due to the 1 action 1 button law there isn't many things you could make your mouse buttons that would really improve your efficiency. If anything it'll probably decrease your efficiency in the sense that you won't be as maneuverable with your keyboard hand, and if your ever playing without the mouse it'll be really weird.
So my suggestion is don't use it as it won't increase your speed by much anyway.
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I use the middle mouse for base camera switching. It's OP, and I recommend it to everyone. I remapped control group 0 to space, and the old space function is now back mouse button. Does not cut down on mouse accuracy once you get used to it, and adds functionality to the keyboard. Other than that, I don't see any other use for mouse buttons. You don't want to be binding spells like EMP or forcefield to your mouse.
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The two sides buttons on my deathadder are just set to Alt+F4 and Windows key to close and minimize programs quickly. Everyone who uses my mouse always seems to hit the Alt+F4 button by accident all the time, closing what the had open, but I never ever ever have the problem. My thumb is always hovering over it in a game of starcraft naturally, but I haven't hit it by accident once.
Might change it to something for starcraft sometime, but I'm not sure what I would consistently use it for. Maybe a camera hotkey, but I'm already so used to using the F keys for that. Maybe 0 so I can ctrl + button 4/5 for an accessible hotkey for drops or something.
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I recently (month or two) switched to using the Darkgrid hotkey setup, which has it recommended to putting you Bases/Production on the forward/backward mouse buttons. I was skeptical at first but it really is nice now that I'm used to it, and it never interferes with my mouse movement at all.
The only thing that sucks about it, is now when I'm at a buddies house I cant play if his mouse doesn't have those buttons, since it's just too ingrained in me to use those to macro now >.<
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I know a Zerg player who used to bind his Queens onto his mouse keys. It worked, but he has since stopped doing so. It's perfectly okay to use your mouse keys if you want to, but I feel that abstaining from doing so would be the easiest way to play.
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On March 17 2012 15:40 Tictock wrote:
I recently (month or two) switched to using the Darkgrid hotkey setup, which has it recommended to putting you Bases/Production on the forward/backward mouse buttons. I was skeptical at first but it really is nice now that I'm used to it, and it never interferes with my mouse movement at all.
The only thing that sucks about it, is now when I'm at a buddies house I cant play if his mouse doesn't have those buttons, since it's just too ingrained in me to use those to macro now >.<
Luckily my mouse has a small wireless USB chip that can be stored in the battery compartment and it saves all my driver settings on board so if any of my friends had SC2 I could go play it at their house. Problem is all my friends play consoles... It's handy for switching between my laptop/desktop though...
This darkgrid setup sounds interesting, I was thinking that bases/production shouldn't interfere with accuracy at all. I'm thinking setting my thumb buttons to 7-0 for Nexus/Robo/Stargate/Whatever.
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i strongly advise you to simply learn how to use the default hotkeys for sc2, and only use your mouse for left click and right click. this game functions nothing like wow, and it would be a bad idea for you to try and teach yourself to control it the same way as wow.
what most people do afaik is learn the default hotkeys and then slowly and slightly edit specific things to other keys just for comforts sake
i doubt u will find a pro gamer who uses their mouse for anything other than the left and rick click. this is not an MMO, this is an RTS, and your gonna have to learn to start from the bottom of the totem pole if you wanna be serious with this.
best of luck to you, i hope you enjoy sc2
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I don't use any of the extra buttons on my mouse because I simply feel like it isn't necessary. I can reach 1-7 comfortably, and I could probably rebind 8-0, but I never need that many control groups, it simply isn't necessary in most games. Honestly, I feel like most of the different keyboard set-ups (grid/darkgrid/whatever) are just superfluous, because the default set up is already so nice.
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Base camera. Just wayyyyyyyyyyyyy too awkward to go to my backspace and i've already occupied my top left keys.
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I use my left click for left click.
I use my right click for right click.
I use my dpi button for push to talk.
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On March 17 2012 15:24 supsun wrote:
I use an intellimouse so... yea
i use an 8$ walmart mouse so yeah..
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On March 17 2012 16:29 SoulWager wrote:
I use my left click for left click.
I use my right click for right click.
I use my dpi button for push to talk.
NO! you have to use caps lock like old school CS push to talk key! blaspheme!
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i use shift control and backspace on the 3 mouse buttons i have.
shift and control in sc2 for making groups/ camera locations.
in other games (fps, rpg whatever) i use the shift for running and control for crouching and backspace for lying down, so my hand never has to move much.
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I use a thumb button for the "base camera" binding. Allows you to hit the thumb button while holding down shift+v for larva injection.
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I don't have mouse buttons besides the standard clicks.
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I use them as ctrl and shift as well, I have really big hands and have never been good at contorting them to hit ctrl+1 etc, so it really speeds up my play. Also it allows me to reach keys that are further away as i can move my whole hand over if necessary
IMO it's not a gimmick, i've just moved the ctrl and shift keys from one place to another.
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I use my 2 thumb buttons for screens, it helps for multitasking.
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I have abyssus. Perfect mouse for sc. No annoying extra buttons 
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On March 17 2012 15:18 MaV_gGSC wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2012 15:11 Sotark wrote:
I don't use the buttons on my death adder because I feel it would be gimmicky. This. Also, using your mouse buttons would reduce your mouse accuracy if you're pressing it and aiming at something at the same time
This. You may be able to use mouse buttons / razer naga's in WoW because mouse accuracy doesn't really matter, but in high level sc2 it is everything and pressing buttons with your mouse fingers will reduce your accuracy. Even if it's by a small amount .
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binding control to the mouse has saved me so much time... plus i never have to make a weird shape if i want to bind keys. =]
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i have two mouse buttons by my thumb, and i have one as the cancel hotkey and another as a camera location, but the only one i really use routinely is for cancel. I actually love having cancel on my mouse because it helps not to freak out and possibly mishit the esc button if a mad ling runby happens and attacks something i just started (i play toss). besides that, I think the normal hotkeys on keyboard are best.
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i am a hi dia, low master i have a razer naga and i use 4 5 6 9 on my mouse and it feels perfectly fine for people saying it lowers mouse accuauracy, you have no clue what your talking about... it just takes time getting used too thats all. WTF are you people saying that its gimmiky for??!?!?!? you have to get used t o moveing your fingers on a keybored to hit 1-9 that takes time same with buttons on a mouse just because the bottons are closer together does not make it simpler... best this i would say is to use a mix of both use the easy keys on your keybored 1-4 and then use the rest on your mouse...
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I use it for camera hot keys. I play dark grid and having them on my razer naga instead of having to press alt and stretch the hand is amazing. Theres no real need for mouse accuracy for this function either so theres no real disadvantages. For my injects I hold the base cycle and click, or use the standard alt +keys if I don't have a queen at all my hatcheries.
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I use them for units. Mouse 1 for tanks/ghost. mouse 2 for vikings/air. I just really cant reach 5 on my keyboard without messing up my tempo lol. It hasnt affected me yet and im high master
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Hotkey binding usage Razer Naga
1=1(Control Group) Bio/Hellion
2=2(Control Group) Tanks
3=3(Control Group) Air
4=4(Control Group) Raxes/Factories/Starports
5=5(Control Group) Orbital/Planetary/Engineering Bay/Armory
6=6(Control Group) Addon Builder rax (when Meching)
7=7(Control Group) Casters 1
8=8(Control Group) Casters 2
9=9(Control Group) Casters 3
0=0(Control Group) Casters 4
-=Hold Position
= = Patrol
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Binding one of the side mouse keys as backspace is really helpful, especially for zergs.
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I bound select idle worker and control group 0 to my side mouse buttons. I don't feel that it "messes up" my mouse accuracy or anything like that.
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circle through hatches with the forward mouse button (side)
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To start off i have a razer naga just for reference of what im using.
And i only use the 7/8/9/0 buttons for control groups since i have small hands and a big ass keyboard so i cant really reach those numbers witouth ending up diying on a battle.
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On March 18 2012 12:24 deathpie wrote:
I bound select idle worker and control group 0 to my side mouse buttons. I don't feel that it "messes up" my mouse accuracy or anything like that.
Me too. I find it tremendously helpful, much easier than f1, and this way I can use F1 through F4 for the camera position.
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On my deathadder I use them for push-to-talk and forward and backward web browsing
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On March 17 2012 15:18 Lowko wrote:
As far as I know no pro gamer uses a mouse with more than 3 used buttons. It's not necissary.
This is totally wrong, since most Razer and Steelseries mouses come with these extra buttons.
They might not actually use them, but I guarantee most pros use a mouse with 5 or more buttons.
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As a Protoss player, I use the front button of my DeathAdder for Forge(s) and the back button for Cybercore(s). Easy access to upgrades :D
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On March 17 2012 16:13 Champi wrote:i strongly advise you to simply learn how to use the default hotkeys for sc2, and only use your mouse for left click and right click. this game functions nothing like wow, and it would be a bad idea for you to try and teach yourself to control it the same way as wow. what most people do afaik is learn the default hotkeys and then slowly and slightly edit specific things to other keys just for comforts sake i doubt u will find a pro gamer who uses their mouse for anything other than the left and rick click. this is not an MMO, this is an RTS, and your gonna have to learn to start from the bottom of the totem pole if you wanna be serious with this. best of luck to you, i hope you enjoy sc2
That makes no sense, there is literally no reason not to use the mouse buttons if he finds them easier to use. The reason no pro uses them is because A) most of their mice don't have them B) they all played BW/WC3 competitively and are used to 1a2a3a4a5a etc.
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Base Camera + Rally Camera. Couldnt be happier.
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Mouse4 for panning (rebound from 3)
Anyone who argues that this isn't more streamlined than screenbumping is wrong.
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I have a deathadder, and I mapped the buttons to Lshift and Lcontrol. I love it because I can hotkey units so much easier by simply holding Lcontrol on mouse, hotkey number, and box select/shift control hotkey select units.
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I use a Death Adder with the forward button as 'A' and the backwards button as backspace. I play left-handed so until I had a Death Adder I bound the backspace to the ` key because it was so awkward otherwise. I don't use the scroll wheel.
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I've got the Deathadder. I personally use the two side buttons as 9 and 0, which typically hold my E-Bays / Armories as a Terran player. It actually becomes real natural after you play a few games with it - there's no drop in mouse accuracy at all if you know how to hit them.
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The only thing I've ever used my left-side buttons on my Razer Imperator for is leveling up skills in DotA. I never really found an applicable concept for me in SC2, there really aren't any break periods where you can afford reduced mouse accuracy, when you could just as well do it on the keyboard in the same amount of time. That's just me though, and the Imperator has by far one of the less sophisticated side mouse button setups.
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Left and right click only. Personally, I think all you guys using actual mouse buttons for control groups and beyond is "cheating." Maybe it is or maybe it isn't, but I suspect there is a reason we don't see Professional players using mouse buttons.
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You should only use 2-3 buttons. The minimum two are quite obvious, but I know some people use a third to scroll the map (where you hold the button and essentially drag the screen). Maybe use some of the others for location hotkeys, but you're better off with the keyboard for that. So much of the game relies on your mouse accuracy, so I wouldn't try anything crazy that would take away from that.
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I use the Razer Lachesis, its both left handed and right handed. It has 2 side buttons, for the < one I make it back space and for the > I make it 0 which is all my queens. So it's much easier to larva enject.
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Using a driver is against the rules if you are macroing keys. The only way to play at a professional level without breaking the rules is to only use 3 mouse buttons which have to be "Mouse button 1, 2, 3" which can be bound in game through hotkeys, which would make it legal. Playing SC2 with a Naga or some other bullshit mouse is just you trying to get a little bit past your skill plateau, but it won't do much for you anyway.
Edit: Trying to use mouse buttons for an RTS is not going to help you improve, it will just make you hit a skill cap more quickly. While it may seem that your skill is increasing quickly, all that is really happening is that you are exhausting the small gimmick that allows you to do certain mechanics better than before. If you would simply improve using standard hotkeys and the keyboard you probably will have slower skill increase, but much more reliable and you will find no skill ceiling other than your own determination.
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thumb buttons are ctrl and shift
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On March 18 2012 14:09 Joedaddy wrote:
Left and right click only. Personally, I think all you guys using actual mouse buttons for control groups and beyond is "cheating." Maybe it is or maybe it isn't, but I suspect there is a reason we don't see Professional players using mouse buttons.
It's not "cheating" if you can straight up bind the buttons in the SC2 client. Unlike grey territory, like mouse scroll to Left Click.
And as for the mouse scroll, pretty sure Stephano and Nestea altered their mouseware/drivers to be able to do this. So they're going beyond simply binding mouse buttons in the SC2 client.
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On March 18 2012 14:18 Halcyondaze wrote:
Using a driver is against the rules if you are macroing keys. The only way to play at a professional level without breaking the rules is to only use 3 mouse buttons which have to be "Mouse button 1, 2, 3" which can be bound in game through hotkeys, which would make it legal. Playing SC2 with a Naga or some other bullshit mouse is just you trying to get a little bit past your skill plateau, but it won't do much for you anyway
Nestea/Stephano use mouse scroll to left click infested terrans and there's been no controversy about it so far afaik.
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On March 18 2012 14:24 Nagano wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2012 14:18 Halcyondaze wrote:
Using a driver is against the rules if you are macroing keys. The only way to play at a professional level without breaking the rules is to only use 3 mouse buttons which have to be "Mouse button 1, 2, 3" which can be bound in game through hotkeys, which would make it legal. Playing SC2 with a Naga or some other bullshit mouse is just you trying to get a little bit past your skill plateau, but it won't do much for you anyway Nestea/Stephano use mouse scroll to left click infested terrans and there's been no controversy about it so far afaik.
They are simply moving a standard mouse click onto another button. That is not the same as changing a mouse button to a keyboard key.
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The extra buttons are made for wow players who use macros. Real gamers don't actually use them.
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I could buy mouse and keyboard with additional buttons and special keys, but I deliberately don't do it. I play on the cheapest standard Logitech stuff like a true mang.
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Only have left+right click and a scroll button (which i use to change sensitivity when pressed down and scrolled)
Using razer abyssus 
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People using "mouse accuracy" as a key thing probably dont think about the absurdity of having to change where youre looking with the same pointer that also has to aim accurately... panning (even with mouseshortcuts) seems far more practical.
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On March 18 2012 14:18 Halcyondaze wrote:
The only way to play at a professional level without breaking the rules is to only use 3 mouse buttons which have to be "Mouse button 1, 2, 3" which can be bound in game through hotkeys.
Can anybody confirm that this is true? It's not that I don't believe you it's just that if it is true this has a huge impact on whether I continue using my G700 or look for a trade or something on craigslist for a Deathadder or something more RTS friendly.
I see what you mean by artificially increasing my skill cap though and while I'm sure you're right I'll probably continue to use those 3 buttons at least. I don't think that having them set as Production facilities like my Nexus, Robo and Stargate would ever cause accuracy issues since I won't be controlling units at that time anyway and when I think about it, once I get used to the system it makes more sense to select a building with my mouse buttons hit the unit I want to build on the keyboard and then right click to rally. I don't know but that still seems more logical to me than setting them to 4,5,6 or something further out of the way.
Most everything else is standard for me except a few things like building immortals, blink and other stuff put at awkward places to hit quickly on default imo.
Edit: I can't find anything on MLGs rules about limiting mouse buttons and they even let you submit your mouse beforehand so they can install drivers. http://www.majorleaguegaming.com/news/starcraft-2-rules-and-settings
GSLs a no go too: http://www.gomtv.net/2011gslsponsors3/news/64582
Looks like the two biggest pro tournament holders don't enforce mouse button policies... Anybody that can dig up some other stuff?
I checked Dreamhack 2011's rules and didn't see anything about equipment and IEM's rules were hard to find. No offense but it's looking like this 'tournaments don't allow more than 3 mouse buttons' thing is a thing of the past or misinformation. Somebody is more than welcome to prove me wrong though, I just can't see to find anything to confirm this.
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I only use my deathadder side buttons for camera views.
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I shattered two metatarsal bones in my left hand playing softball, and although its healed now it's super clunky and I find it difficult to get my left hand moving around quickly and accurately. So I bind a lot of my keys with my G700.
I've got Shift as my middle mouse scroll button.
I've got Ctrl as one of them.
I've got one of the buttons as 0 - all my hatches.
I've got all my queens on 9 - on another button.
I've got backspace as one of them. (for injecting)
Edit: Spelling.
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I use my forward mouse button for my Orbitals and Upgrades, and my back mouse button for Hellions and scouting workers early game, and Drops for mid-late game.
I also use my middle mouse button to scroll short distances, as I find it easier than moving the mouse to the edge of the screen.
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On March 18 2012 14:43 thezanursic wrote:
The extra buttons are made for wow players who use macros. Real gamers don't actually use them.
You mean RTS players don't use them. Don't be a douche.
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I only use one of the buttons for backspace/cycle through hatches
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On March 18 2012 16:18 Mr Showtime wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2012 14:43 thezanursic wrote:
The extra buttons are made for wow players who use macros. Real gamers don't actually use them. You mean RTS players don't use them. Don't be a douche.
Okay who exactly uses the extra buttons? Wow players who else?
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On March 18 2012 16:26 lichter wrote:
I only use one of the buttons for backspace/cycle through hatches
I do the same
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I use my right click to move my units and my left click destroy everything it touches.
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I personally use my mouse buttons for my army hotkeys. The front one on my deathadder for main army and the second for spellcasters (binded to 9 and 0). I've gotten used to it so my mouse speed isn't slow at all. I don't plan on playing competitively at all so I use this system because it feels more comfortable to me atm. And if your wondering, 1 is Nexus/2 is Gateways/3 is Robos/Stargates/4 is Forges and the rest are for any other building I need.
Starcraft 2 was my first RTS so I'm not used to pressing the 5-8 buttons at all.
I'm able to play at around ~100 EPM(~60apm) at platinum league.
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Implying that I'm not a "real gamer" because I played WoW is why he's being called a duesch thezan. I agree a 13 button mouse is something only a MMO gamer would need. Only other thing I've ever used the buttons for was DPI switching in FPS's and spotting in BF3.
I don't want this thread to turn into a game I don't play anymore because the arena in that game really is terrible but like it or not, it's still a "real game." Even though WoW pro's don't make as much people still play the game professionally. Wheaton's law, "don't be a dick."
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I use my extra mouse button to have a hot keyed zone of the map available.
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I only have 2 mouse buttons, so...left click and right click? :D
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I use it for control groups 9 and 0.
I usually I put the units with special roles there: my scouting scv, reapers, banshees, loaded medivacs, ghosts, ravens.
All the units that are going to require special attention. I need to be able to access them quickly without messing up, so I put them on my other hand. It also helps balance out the apm I need per hand.
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On March 18 2012 17:59 Sadistx wrote:
I only have 2 mouse buttons, so...left click and right click? :D
this
logitech mini ftw
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I like rather simplistic, but effective, accessories. My Razer Salmosa only has 2 buttons and a wheel. The use of such extras does feel a bit off, but I guess as long as you never use macros and such for any more than a single action it is ok. The game is not really designed for that, so the answer to your question is probably 'personal preference'.
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I have three buttons on the left side about my thumb I use the back one for ctrl as it makes it easier to control group my army and I use the middle one for camera so that I don't have to use the edge of the screen as often....
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I have the logitech mx518 and have the 2 extra buttons binded to 9 and 0 which I use for drops.
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Leftclick => Select
Rightclick => Move
Standart.
I don't want to abuse the imbaness of my mouse, it wouldn't be fair at all. :/
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I use one button for my warp in location camera hotkey, but that is all.
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I actually bought a Razer Abyssus partially because it HAS no extra buttons, just right and left click and a scroll wheel. Keeps me from being distracted, and reminds me to use the keyboard (which is far faster) for whatever possible.
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On March 17 2012 15:23 AGIANTSMURF wrote:
i have forward and back buttons on the side, i use them when watching replays to speed up, slow down the rep.
i use the middle mouse button (click it down) to pause
:D
Best post in this thread, I'm going to steal that idea, thank you! :D
I have a Deathadder with two extra button, never use them with SC2, I don't want to depend on a certain mouse to play this game! Feel kind of unfair and the whole accuracy issue really holds me back from using them.
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I mainly use my shoulder buttons for web browsing and stuff, so i have my back shoulder button bound to backspace and my front shoulder to CTRL+Tab. Don't really use it in game though.
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same as "space" - "back to last action"
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i use them for "back" and "forward" in web browsing, in-game i use them as hotkey 7&8, since its uncomfortable and inconvenient to reachthat far across during a game, and i only ever use them for observers/drops or whatever.
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Back and forward hahahaha
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I use the right click, and the left click for their original use.
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On March 18 2012 16:58 thezanursic wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2012 16:18 Mr Showtime wrote:On March 18 2012 14:43 thezanursic wrote:
The extra buttons are made for wow players who use macros. Real gamers don't actually use them. You mean RTS players don't use them. Don't be a douche. Okay who exactly uses the extra buttons? Wow players who else?
You've missed the point. Don't act like a fucking douche. That was the point. Not some suggestion that other people use them.
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I use the back mouse button as base camera for injections. The front one I use as a location hotkey, which I usually set to where my live creep tumors are to help me spread creep.
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At the moment I'm using darkgrid so my mouse buttons are set to my CCs and to my rax or facts, depending on whether I'm going mech or bio. I've got used to it but it still doesn't feel quite right though, once my Noppoo choc mini comes I'll probably rebind them to an easier to access key and then put something like idle worker and base camera on my mouse.
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i have a logitech g500 so it has 3 buttons on the side. one of them is my push to talk, and one of the other ones i bound to auto-run in MMO's. i don't use them for anything else at all.
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Back button i have set as camera location for proxy pylons. Forward I have select idol workers. It's not "gimmicky" and doesn't affect my mouse accuracy by any means. I use F1-F4 as base locations.
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I use the right click to select...right click to move/attack/target and that's about it. :D
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I use the "forward" mouse button on the side of my deathadder for my base switching hotkey (backspace as default). I can chrono boost multiple nexii within a second now I've gotten accustomed to it. It's also quite good for when you off-race as zerg and need to inject larva.
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I use CTRL on on of my buttons, and since my hotkey setup uses tab as a ctrl group I set TAB's function to backspace and bound that on my other mouse button. Since I use F1-4 as basecam views I don't need the basejump button.
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On March 17 2012 15:16 Grohg wrote:
I use them for the 9 and 0 control groups and put queens and hatches on those to free up the other hotkeys for units, overlords and buildings which have upgrades on them.
This. Modified to using 0 for my obs, and 9 for my building probe
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On March 19 2012 05:02 Mirosuu wrote:
I use the "forward" mouse button on the side of my deathadder for my base switching hotkey (backspace as default). I can chrono boost multiple nexii within a second now I've gotten accustomed to it. It's also quite good for when you off-race as zerg and need to inject larva.
Same here, I use it to larva inject, like it more than spacebar that most people uses
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Control and Shift are assigned to Buttons 4 and 5, so whenever I need to hit a Ctrl-Key or Shift-Key combination, I only need to press one button with each hand. I use the keyboard Control and Shift for a Control-Click or Shift-Click, for the same reason.
Its still a 1-to-1 assignment, so its not a violation of Blizzard TOS, but it makes everything much easier to reach.
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I have the 'standard' two thumb buttons on my mouse
I use the one my thumb naturally rests on to do the same as Backspace (flick through bases) I use it to inject.
I've just bound the other to the same as space, not sure if I'll use it though.
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I own a deathadder with 2 additionnal buttons and I use each one as a camera saving for expansions.
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I dont have mouse buttons and I really hate the fact that you can change hotkeys // bind mouse buttons... I feel it has dumbed the game down to retard level where anyone who can actually macro can player in mid-masters or higher.
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I used a mousebutton for warpgates back when i played protoss. It was really intuitive and worked quite well, but i never used them for anything else.
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IMO it's OK (actually better imo) to bind buttons on your mouse if you expect the next thing you to be a keyboard press. For example, binding a button to the warpgate key is a better idea (since the next thing you are going to do is press a key to select which unit you want to warp in) than bind it to storm (since the next thing you are going to do is try to aim a storm with the mouse). Personally, I only have queens and hatcheries on my mouse. Nothing else.
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I use them to mistakenly get back to the last page while I'm watching a stream and then rage.
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I have a razer naga even though im not a mmo person I don't have my extra buttons doing anything so far. except for the default setting on what they do normally.
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I don't use any mouse buttons apart from left + right click. My keyboard has enough easy-to-reach buttons for all the SC2 hotkeys my race has and I personally don't like the idea to have hotkeys on my mouse as well. For me the mouse is for micro only and the keyboard for macro, stutter-stepping and a-moving!
Also I don't think you get an extra advantage by binding buildings or control groups to your mouse instead of the keyboard so I don't think it will make the game easier. The only thing that might be a bit unfair is the scrollwheel trick if you are using it for infested terrans or other spammable spells.
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I apply the same logic as the 10-finger system for typing. You should use different hands for modifier keys and command keys, because it is faster and more ergonomic. Therefore ctrl and shift in mouse thumb buttons.
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I use mine for the base camera, helps with my inject cycles a lot.
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I have shift on one of my mouse buttons.
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Left click -> Left click
Right click -> Right click
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use mouse 4 for teamspeak. (on a xai)
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On March 18 2012 14:43 thezanursic wrote:
The extra buttons are made for wow players who use macros. Real gamers don't actually use them.
while what you speak of is certainly relevant for you, it is not true for the rest of the world, as evidenced by all the different variations everyone else is doing
there is always something to be learned by how others do things and how you can incorporate their ideas into your own
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I used to have control on a thumb button when I had a deathadder, but it broke 4 weeks after I bought it so now I play with a kinzu (feels much better in my hand too) and it has no thumb buttons.
I don't think there's much of a difference in my play with/without faster access to control key.
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I have my forward and back buttons bounded as control groups 8 and 9 respectively. I find it saves time with upgrades and other tech buildings.
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I bind random pylons around the map to my 9 control group which I set to one of my mouse keys so I can easily double hit that and warp in to the nearest pylon to my army.
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I use my 2 deathadder buttons for screen hotkeys, probably my favorite use of them.
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I use the thumb buttons on my mice for control and shift. Makes group creation/management much simpler as it doesn't require your left hand to hold the control and shift key while hitting a number. It's a much less awkward movement and really helps out people with smaller hands.
Note, when I'm shift-queueing commands or selecting all units of the same type I still use the left shift and control keys on the keyboard, as using the mouse buttons while executing actions that require precision reduces mouse accuracy (as many people in this thread have already mentioned.)
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I use one button on the side of my deathadder to scroll through my bases
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i switched my "hold camera" from the middle mouse button to the "back" button on the side of my Death Adder, but to be honest with you, i rarely use it.
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I use the forward & back buttons on my Logitech Mx 518 for control groups 7&8, and middle mouse button as group 9. That leaves me 1, 2, 3, and 4 in comfortable reach which I use to macro. Usually set up something like:
1 - Nexus(es) for easy Chronoboosting
2 - First Gateway, then first tech structure (Stargate or Robo)
3 - Second tech structure (Stargate or Robo)
4 - Forges. Fourges. I'm clever.
7 (Forward) - Main body of army like Zealots, Stalkers, Archons if I have them.
8 (Back) - Support units like Templar, Void Rays, Colossi, etc.
9 - Supplementary unit like a Warp Prism
5, 6, 0 - Not used. Might start putting a forward pylon on 5 though.
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These fools need to check out Dark Grid.
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i dont cuz it felt awkward, but i just started using tab and space for hotkeys and i highly recommend it if uve run out of hoykeys and dont like using 0 and 9 like me
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I'm with the opinion that too much going on with the mouse will lower mouse accuracy, but hearing about putting a control group on there for like an obs or something sounds like something I'm going to try out.
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i wanted to adjust the forward / backward button for larva inject, but the hotkey edtitor doesnt allow it. i can remap most other hotkeys to it, but not inject. quite strange. any1 tried the same ?
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I got 2 buttons on my death adder and ive tried to use them but yeah, just taking the pressure off the left side of my mouse to hit a button i lose my mouse accuracy. I don't use them for anything now actually, just buttons that do nothing.
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Dark grid setup so I use it all the time for base's and production facilities.
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Used to use them for observer and proxy pylon control groups, nowadays I just don't feel the necessity to do either as I have gotten a lot faster.
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I don't bind any of my mouse buttons. Mainly, because not all mice have the same buttons, and I don't want to end up playing with another mouse sometime, and not have the buttons I'm used to. Also, as some have mentioned, it would interfere with your mouse accuracy since you'd be applying pressure to a region of the mouse in order to press a button, while at the same time you are trying to guide your mouse to a different location.
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Mousescroll wheel trick for the win.
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Well I don't use them because when there's a LAN, you can't use mouse buttons
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Not necessary.
Not pros do it.
I don't do it personally.
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On March 20 2012 02:28 MaV_gGSC wrote:
Well I don't use them because when there's a LAN, you can't use mouse buttons
I keep seeing comments like this but I can't find any proof that they're true. MLG and GSL let you use your mouse drivers, IEM and Dreamhack don't say anything regarding the use of mouse buttons. I'm not using macros I'm merely assigning keyboard commands (numbers 7-0, backspace and F5/F6) to mouse buttons.
If this is true, what specific LANs do not allow you to use mouse buttons?
It's not that I don't believe people it's just that I can't find any current evidence that bans mouse buttons after searching through MLG, GSL, IEM and Dreamhacks rules for their SC2 tourney's. Simply put, I'm thinking this was once a rule but has fallen out of practice in the modern day SC2 scene.
Like I said before, anybody is more than welcome to prove me wrong but after searching as best I know how, I can't find any set of rules that bans mouse buttons.
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I use one of the side-buttons on my deathadder for base cam switch, and i use backspace inject trick (so its basically mouse-click inject i guess), barely have to move my hands to inject everything.
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Forward is base cam for me, while back is bound for snapping to a set location.
It may not be necessary, but it sure as hell does make everything easier when you don't have to stretch your hand across a keyboard to perform certain actions.
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It'd be a pain to set up your mouse drivers at every computer you were assigned to at a LAN even if it was allowed wouldn't it? It's not worth it, people can play fine without it. Nothing against people who use them though. I don't care if you use mouse tricks or not, the snipe with scroll wheel trick... Didn't use ghosts vs Z anyways, I can spam click fast enough for inf. terran anyways. Way more satisfying for me anyways to click a lot of times wraghhhh swarmmm^^
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When I play Protoss and Terran I use Mouse3 for all my Nexi/OCs for making workers and spells from them(mules, chronoboost etc.). I find it more comfortable
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I remapped the back button to backspace and forward button to F1.
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On March 20 2012 06:31 Ktk wrote:
It'd be a pain to set up your mouse drivers at every computer you were assigned to at a LAN even if it was allowed wouldn't it? It's not worth it, people can play fine without it. Nothing against people who use them though. I don't care if you use mouse tricks or not, the snipe with scroll wheel trick... Didn't use ghosts vs Z anyways, I can spam click fast enough for inf. terran anyways. Way more satisfying for me anyways to click a lot of times wraghhhh swarmmm^^
My mouse settings are stored on board. Literally all I have to do is plug it in and the drivers auto install from my mouse onto the computer with my saved settings. The wonders of on board memory for your mouse! So... that's only really a problem if you're using an older mouse, as most high end gaming mice these days have on board memory for this reason.
The mousewheel for snipe is an interesting idea, although I can't really think of a spammable Protoss ability like that. Then again, I'd think that since you'd have to be targeting while spamming your mousewheel, having snipe as the mouse wheel would actually be counter productive.
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On March 19 2012 08:44 SkimGuy wrote:
Left click -> Left click
Right click -> Right click
Simple as that.
On March 17 2012 17:35 ki11z0ne wrote:
i am a hi dia, low master i have a razer naga and i use 4 5 6 9 on my mouse and it feels perfectly fine for people saying it lowers mouse accuauracy, you have no clue what your talking about... it just takes time getting used too thats all. WTF are you people saying that its gimmiky for??!?!?!? ....
If you're holding your mouse via fingertip grip you need all of your fingers to grip your mouse. If you use your fingers to press gimmicky mouse buttons other than left/right click, you loose stability and therefor precision.
Besides: your keyboard should have enough buttons, unless of course you are playing with a numpad only. In that case the Naga may be viable.
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I have MX518.
Thumb button for bases.
Second additional button for 0
If I had more button (another mouse) I probably wouldn't use them because I am used to this mouse, 7 years already. :D
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I use one of my thumb mouse buttons for "base switching" or what was originally the "backspace" key. Makes larva injects easier for me.
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thumb button = base cam (aka backspace)
middlemouse = warpgates
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I have a G500. I use the forward button for my main base cam. The back for my natural and the middle one for either the ramp to my main or my warp-in pylon. Ever since I've gotten used to this, makes life so much easier
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I do not use it, i find it gimmicky.
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mouse 5 to talk in vent, mouse 4 to talk in game ooohh yeee
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I tried having basecamera binded to my mouse button but couldn't get used to it so I went back to having it on spacebar.
On April 12 2012 02:05 Grampz wrote:
mouse 5 to talk in vent, mouse 4 to talk in game ooohh yeee
Never though about using it for vent, mind blown!
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Coming from a wow background i tried to use my mouse buttons for certain things such as probe production hotkey or commonly used control groups but have miserably failed and more than 1 year ago came to the conclusion that the mouse is to important for your gameplay to have your mouse hand moving around it to hit buttons, unlike wow where you actually had times where keys could be used instead of mouse movement ( more comfortably i mean ) and you had A LOT of keybinding to do for stuff like arena where you had to have about 20-30 macros to cast specific things of specific guys thus the extra buttons felt more than welcome.
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I use a razer naga and I have the side buttons bound to hotkeys 6-0 because I find it much more inferior, time wise, to have to use my left hand on the right side of the keyboard.
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