EPTOn March 15 2012 15:20 songohan wrote:
hopefully players can get bigger prize pools.
hopefully players can get bigger prize pools.
This must be a joke. Of course they wont.
MLG raises $11.3m in additional funding - Page 17
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LunaSea
Luxembourg369 Posts
This must be a joke. Of course they wont. | ||
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LunaSea
Luxembourg369 Posts
On March 15 2012 21:18 ShinobiX wrote: Actually, that is the first argument pro PPV that makes sense to me. Thanks for sharing!  It actually doesn't make sense, because if everyone would apply that way of thinking (IGN, MLG, DreamHack, GSL, and every tournament out there) then you would only have PPV content. It would've made sense if a globalization of that argument wouldn't ruin the argument itself. | ||
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Grimmyman123
Canada939 Posts
It doesn't grow e-sports because it does not draw new viewers - Rabid Fans doing barcrafts etc publicly GROWS esports because it exposes non-gamers to the gaming environment. so, Barcrafts are doing MORE for esports than PPV does, hands down. This is a good move for MLG - a service based company with limited hard assets - and cash which is secured by very little. A very risky investment as far as risk assessment goes. | ||
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Grimmyman123
Canada939 Posts
On March 15 2012 21:10 tsango wrote: 225% growth and more funding for mlg, doesnt matter which way you cut it, thats a big win for MLG. ^.^ fixed. | ||
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zaii
Guam2611 Posts
On March 15 2012 21:56 LunaSea wrote: It actually doesn't make sense, because if everyone would apply that way of thinking (IGN, MLG, DreamHack, GSL, and every tournament out there) then you would only have PPV content. It would've made sense if a globalization of that argument wouldn't ruin the argument itself. What why would that not make sense. You actually think other leagues that saw all the backlash MLG received will be happy to receive the same by copying them exactly? Get this through your head this scene is the most over-saturated out of any of the eSports scene. 1 -2 leagues trying PPV won't hurt the scene in the slightest. It will most likely hurt the butthurt entitled ppl, but it will benefit teams/players. | ||
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Pasargadae
Korea (South)173 Posts
On March 15 2012 20:55 ShinobiX wrote: I like you, you're funny. Earlier you said, MLG's only interest is the bottom line. That seems to be very true with the PPV model. Also you ignore the lie that Sundance told us when he said "I want to help eSport grow." What you seem to ignore is that PPV does not attract new viewers. Sidestep here: Did european football charge PPV in its early days? Nope, around 1900 they certainly did not charge PPV as there was no television. Did american football do that? Doubt it, pretty old sport as well. Basketball? Baseball? Tennis? Shit none of these great sports charged PPV, so whatever sport Hipsv was talking about, I'd sure like an example that is not some obscure new age x-game sport. And again, when I think of my buddies and if MLG would attract them, I'd have to say YES! If it's free to watch. They don't know SC2, they don't give a shit about an Idra or a Huk. Now if I went to them and said "Hey, let's watch this fun tournament, it's about SC2 and once you get to know it, it's really fun to watch." they might even say "Heck, why not..." But then I'd have to say "Oh darn, this great event is PPV, could you cough up 10 bucks so we can share the PPV?" - "Errr, you're kidding right?" What I mean to say is, they don't even know what they are paying for. I don't see how this is growing eSport. No PPV event will attract new viewers. So basically you're left on your current viewer numbers and have to develop new ways to milk their pockets for money. HOW IS THAT GOOD FOR ESPORT? It's not. It's only good for MLGs pockets and indirectly for their investors. MLG is in the process of selling out eSport and Sundance has the guts to get on LO3 and say "I want to help eSport". And the really funny bit is that people on here justify him and say he's a genius. Huh? Of course, you can call this a big community entitlement party, but honestly? I don't give a flying fuck. I don't own eSport, MLG, any team and certainly nothing else. I'm a mere viewer. I don't even play that much, because I suck too much. But this platform enables me to say my mind. And I'm saying right now PPV is the wrong business model if you want to help eSport grow. Because the majority of western culture knows fuck all about eSport or SC2. If Sundance or anyone else wants to help eSport grow, he should go out and promote it. AND NOT TO THE TL COMMUNITY, because the people here obviously know what it's all about. He should get on fucking talkshows and tell people what a spectacle it can be. And please stop nerding out on "outside" events just like that conference of sports analysis. That was so very close to being a nerdfest. Kudos to Day9 and Sundance for keeping it somewhat focused on media and viewership issues and business as well. If Sundance did more of those events, he'd do more for eSport than this PPV thing did. Because as much as I detest his need to lie about his intentions, I'd bet he could sell truckloads of horsepoo, if he needs to. He's that type of person.  Actually, you're the funny one. One counter-example derails your entire PPV argument (*cough UFC cough*). UFC continues to grow and can hardly be defined as "some obscure new age x-age sport." You also conveniently disregard the many other events and games that MLG sponsors. I neither explicitly support Sundance nor MLG, but your blatantly myopic perspective insinuates that MLG's decision to institute a PPV business model is the harbinger of esports. Grow up. If anything, MLG feels confident that esports, and particularly SCII, has matured to the point where PPV is viable. Profits entice investors, investors offer capital, capital leads to more viewers. | ||
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floor exercise
Canada5847 Posts
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Pasargadae
Korea (South)173 Posts
On March 16 2012 00:37 floor exercise wrote: UFC PPV buy rates have been trending downward for the last 1.5 years. It doesn't continue to grow. It peaked some time ago And what model did UFC employ to obtain over one million viewers? Case closed. | ||
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iiGreetings
Canada563 Posts
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EternaLLegacy
United States410 Posts
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hillman
United States162 Posts
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Bosu
United States3247 Posts
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SeaSwift
Scotland4486 Posts
As to the money... good, I guess? I don't know the stats behind MLG's business, so I don't know how much it costs to set it all up. I would imagine that 11.3million is a fair chunk of money to boost their production, however. I also hope to see a slightly more fair distribution of prize pools, with the ranks behind 1/2/3 recieving more money. It's too top-heavy as is. | ||
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
On March 15 2012 17:27 Kaitlin wrote: They don't. They just want it for free because they would rather "somebody else" (the sponsors) pay for it. Self-entitled. It's not about what's good for eSports. It's about what's better for themselves. If we're talking about "growth of esports" a ppv business model is horrible. Only the diehard fans would pay for it. It's still a video game, how many people actually pay to watch a video game? Especially at this time when the casual viewers are being absorbed by a certain other game and new spectators are more and more difficult to obtain. What do the sponsors think about having 1/10th the viewer count a free tournament has? How do they feel about marketing their products to only 10% of the potential viewers? Not to mention that I imagine that many people only paid for the first PPV as a "test" but I don't think all that many people could drop like a hundred bucks on it yearly(that's like subscribing to WoW) especially with precense of other paid tournaments that are generally preferred by the fans(GSL) and plenty of free content. I just don't think this is sustainable, and it is difficult for me to imagine that sponsors would in the long term be interested in sponsoring a tournament with far less viewers than a LoL player just had while streaming himself eating dinner Also this basically means MLG can't sustain itself yet properly and hmm I don't see the great positivity in this unless they really up their game(Or spam PPV tournaments and hope people will keep paying, I guess that works). | ||
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floor exercise
Canada5847 Posts
On March 16 2012 00:49 Pasargadae wrote: And what model did UFC employ to obtain over one million viewers? Case closed. So you think people were attracted to the UFC because it cost them $50 to view it? Is that what you're saying? | ||
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SeaSwift
Scotland4486 Posts
On March 16 2012 01:47 floor exercise wrote: So you think people were attracted to the UFC because it cost them $50 to view it? Is that what you're saying? That's an incredibly obtuse way to interpret what he was saying. No way you actually thought about it and came to the conclusion that what you said is what Pasargadae meant. | ||
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MaV_gGSC
Canada1345 Posts
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Rassy
Netherlands2308 Posts
Where this shares in MLG, wich where sold or emitted by MLG (according to the sec its not a loan) And if so, how much % of mlg did they buy for 11.3m, Or is this some other equity wich does not give ownership of MLG? To thoose who say"woot 11.3m secured for esports" They are wrong, MLG is a profit based organisation and in the end the investors will want to get back their full investment+interest from the public. They do take a calculated risk though, to make esports take off and for that i aplaud them. Its good that mlg has more titles then sc btw, since sc2 seems to have peaked or at least stagnated in popularity/vieuwers. Still a realy risky investment to make, based on only 1 ppv event at arguably a peak moment in popularity Hope for them it works out well. Espors has a huge future and there not that manny options to invest in it atm. Top players should definatly get paid alot better. If you think about that they give up their prime time for education and with that lower their changes to get a well paid job later on in live Top players should make way over 5k a month tbh to make up for the sacrifice they make. | ||
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