EPTMLG raises $11.3m in additional funding - Page 16
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AlexWilhelm
United States143 Posts
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Mvrio
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insearchof
United States57 Posts
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Adreme
United States5574 Posts
On March 15 2012 09:57 Mvrio wrote: hopefully this means no PPV which I doubt... If anything it means the opposite of that. It mens 11.3 million dollars worth of people looked at what MLG just did and said "this model could give me signifigant return on investment" | ||
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midftw
Canada170 Posts
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Perseverance
Japan2800 Posts
On March 15 2012 15:10 Adreme wrote: If anything it means the opposite of that. It mens 11.3 million dollars worth of people looked at what MLG just did and said "this model could give me signifigant return on investment" Exactly, I don't mind the PPV though. Actually, I think it's a good thing. | ||
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Hipsv
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Kaitlin
United States2958 Posts
On March 15 2012 16:32 Hipsv wrote: I don't understand why people think that PPV is going to hurt the growth of eSports when most profitable sports started as "PPV" long before they could sustain a free TV model. They don't. They just want it for free because they would rather "somebody else" (the sponsors) pay for it. Self-entitled. It's not about what's good for eSports. It's about what's better for themselves. | ||
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SupLilSon
Malaysia4123 Posts
On March 15 2012 17:27 Kaitlin wrote: They don't. They just want it for free because they would rather "somebody else" (the sponsors) pay for it. Self-entitled. It's not about what's good for eSports. It's about what's better for themselves. You surely aren't garnering any new fans for MLG and Esports by generalizing and patronizing an entire population of people you've only known through the internet. What's so wrong about looking out for one's self? Get off your high horse and donate 2000 dollars to TL. Not wanting to pay for overpriced products and for poor business handling has nothing to do with being spoiled rich brats. If you really give a fuck about Esports then MLG is surely not the first place you invest your money. | ||
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Riskr
Germany403 Posts
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Kaitlin
United States2958 Posts
On March 15 2012 17:41 SupLilSon wrote: You surely aren't garnering any new fans for MLG and Esports by generalizing and patronizing an entire population of people you've only known through the internet. What's so wrong about looking out for one's self? Get off your high horse and donate 2000 dollars to TL. Not wanting to pay for overpriced products and for poor business handling has nothing to do with being spoiled rich brats. If you really give a fuck about Esports then MLG is surely not the first place you invest your money. You said you didn't understand something. I attempted to explain it. Then you jump me, that I'm not garnering support for eSports, and assuming I have a problem with people acting in their own interest. No. I support eSports when there is a product or service that I worth my money. I bought a Razer Keyboard and Mouse. I am all for people acting in their own best interest. That is human nature and I'm puzzled when others can't understand why people don't act for the benefit of others, instead of themselves (even though it permeates these boards). I was not judging people not wanting to purchase particular products, but that wasn't really what you were asking. You mentioned 'why people think PP is going to hurt the growth of eSports'. I answered that very question. Also, this entitlement generation is not the same as "spoiled rich brats". Entitlement is the sense that you have things coming to you, generally shit that belongs to other people. | ||
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B.I.G.
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SupLilSon
Malaysia4123 Posts
On March 15 2012 18:06 Kaitlin wrote: You said you didn't understand something. I attempted to explain it. Then you jump me, that I'm not garnering support for eSports, and assuming I have a problem with people acting in their own interest. No. I support eSports when there is a product or service that I worth my money. I bought a Razer Keyboard and Mouse. I am all for people acting in their own best interest. That is human nature and I'm puzzled when others can't understand why people don't act for the benefit of others, instead of themselves (even though it permeates these boards). I was not judging people not wanting to purchase particular products, but that wasn't really what you were asking. You mentioned 'why people think PP is going to hurt the growth of eSports'. I answered that very question. Also, this entitlement generation is not the same as "spoiled rich brats". Entitlement is the sense that you have things coming to you, generally shit that belongs to other people. I'm not the person you were talking to earlier. Read. It's helpful on internet forums. | ||
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how
United States538 Posts
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ShinobiX
Germany33 Posts
On March 15 2012 17:27 Kaitlin wrote: They don't. They just want it for free because they would rather "somebody else" (the sponsors) pay for it. Self-entitled. It's not about what's good for eSports. It's about what's better for themselves. I like you, you're funny. Earlier you said, MLG's only interest is the bottom line. That seems to be very true with the PPV model. Also you ignore the lie that Sundance told us when he said "I want to help eSport grow." What you seem to ignore is that PPV does not attract new viewers. Sidestep here: Did european football charge PPV in its early days? Nope, around 1900 they certainly did not charge PPV as there was no television. Did american football do that? Doubt it, pretty old sport as well. Basketball? Baseball? Tennis? Shit none of these great sports charged PPV, so whatever sport Hipsv was talking about, I'd sure like an example that is not some obscure new age x-game sport. And again, when I think of my buddies and if MLG would attract them, I'd have to say YES! If it's free to watch. They don't know SC2, they don't give a shit about an Idra or a Huk. Now if I went to them and said "Hey, let's watch this fun tournament, it's about SC2 and once you get to know it, it's really fun to watch." they might even say "Heck, why not..." But then I'd have to say "Oh darn, this great event is PPV, could you cough up 10 bucks so we can share the PPV?" - "Errr, you're kidding right?" What I mean to say is, they don't even know what they are paying for. I don't see how this is growing eSport. No PPV event will attract new viewers. So basically you're left on your current viewer numbers and have to develop new ways to milk their pockets for money. HOW IS THAT GOOD FOR ESPORT? It's not. It's only good for MLGs pockets and indirectly for their investors. MLG is in the process of selling out eSport and Sundance has the guts to get on LO3 and say "I want to help eSport". And the really funny bit is that people on here justify him and say he's a genius. Huh? Of course, you can call this a big community entitlement party, but honestly? I don't give a flying fuck. I don't own eSport, MLG, any team and certainly nothing else. I'm a mere viewer. I don't even play that much, because I suck too much. But this platform enables me to say my mind. And I'm saying right now PPV is the wrong business model if you want to help eSport grow. Because the majority of western culture knows fuck all about eSport or SC2. If Sundance or anyone else wants to help eSport grow, he should go out and promote it. AND NOT TO THE TL COMMUNITY, because the people here obviously know what it's all about. He should get on fucking talkshows and tell people what a spectacle it can be. And please stop nerding out on "outside" events just like that conference of sports analysis. That was so very close to being a nerdfest. Kudos to Day9 and Sundance for keeping it somewhat focused on media and viewership issues and business as well. If Sundance did more of those events, he'd do more for eSport than this PPV thing did. Because as much as I detest his need to lie about his intentions, I'd bet he could sell truckloads of horsepoo, if he needs to. He's that type of person.  | ||
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Frankon
3054 Posts
On March 15 2012 18:28 how wrote: That is awesome. Sundance knows his shit, can't wait to see where this takes us in 2012! You know that with each such action Sundance loses more and more control of MLG. He literary becomes a guy who "get it" but can't do anything about it. | ||
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tsango
Australia214 Posts
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zaii
Guam2611 Posts
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ShinobiX
Germany33 Posts
On March 15 2012 21:16 zaii wrote: MLG PPV doesn't hurt eSports/SC2 scene. This scene is so oversaturated with content. It doesn't matter if MLG went PPV. You can always bring new ppl into the scene by showing them other free content streams. Actually, that is the first argument pro PPV that makes sense to me. Thanks for sharing!  | ||
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meny1337
Czech Republic2 Posts
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