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MLG raises $11.3m in additional funding - Page 16

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AlexWilhelm
Profile Joined April 2010
United States143 Posts
March 15 2012 00:57 GMT
#301
What up TL. I've just scanned much of the last few pages of this thread (as my article was added to the OP, I feel the itch to contribute), and I have to say that if you are unfamiliar with how venture capital works, I heartily recommend a read of the Wiki compendium on the topic: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Venture_capital. It's not comprehensive, but it's a start. Fighting!
I smell of death, I reek of hate, I will live forever.
Mvrio
Profile Joined July 2011
689 Posts
March 15 2012 00:57 GMT
#302
hopefully this means no PPV which I doubt...
On October 03 2011 Jinsho wrote: Everyone is just a speck of fly dirt on the wall compared to Greg playing at his best :D
insearchof
Profile Joined July 2011
United States57 Posts
March 15 2012 03:37 GMT
#303
should tell us funders so we can thank and hug them!
Abandon all hope, ye who enter here.
Adreme
Profile Joined June 2011
United States5574 Posts
March 15 2012 06:10 GMT
#304
On March 15 2012 09:57 Mvrio wrote:
hopefully this means no PPV which I doubt...


If anything it means the opposite of that. It mens 11.3 million dollars worth of people looked at what MLG just did and said "this model could give me signifigant return on investment"
midftw
Profile Joined January 2012
Canada170 Posts
March 15 2012 06:20 GMT
#305
hopefully players can get bigger prize pools.
Perseverance
Profile Joined February 2010
Japan2800 Posts
March 15 2012 06:21 GMT
#306
On March 15 2012 15:10 Adreme wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 15 2012 09:57 Mvrio wrote:
hopefully this means no PPV which I doubt...


If anything it means the opposite of that. It mens 11.3 million dollars worth of people looked at what MLG just did and said "this model could give me signifigant return on investment"


Exactly, I don't mind the PPV though. Actually, I think it's a good thing.
<3 Moonbattles
Hipsv
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
135 Posts
March 15 2012 07:32 GMT
#307
I don't understand why people think that PPV is going to hurt the growth of eSports when most profitable sports started as "PPV" long before they could sustain a free TV model. Plenty of sports required you to pay at the gate to watch or read the results in your local newspaper the next day which basically listed who won. Eventually once people started seeing the money in it radio's picked up and started broadcasting the games which was basically television at the time and they made a boatload of money through advertisement but still maintained the core PPV model which you had to pay tickets to view the sporting event.
Kaitlin
Profile Joined December 2010
United States2958 Posts
March 15 2012 08:27 GMT
#308
On March 15 2012 16:32 Hipsv wrote:
I don't understand why people think that PPV is going to hurt the growth of eSports when most profitable sports started as "PPV" long before they could sustain a free TV model.


They don't. They just want it for free because they would rather "somebody else" (the sponsors) pay for it. Self-entitled. It's not about what's good for eSports. It's about what's better for themselves.
SupLilSon
Profile Joined October 2011
Malaysia4123 Posts
March 15 2012 08:41 GMT
#309
On March 15 2012 17:27 Kaitlin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 15 2012 16:32 Hipsv wrote:
I don't understand why people think that PPV is going to hurt the growth of eSports when most profitable sports started as "PPV" long before they could sustain a free TV model.


They don't. They just want it for free because they would rather "somebody else" (the sponsors) pay for it. Self-entitled. It's not about what's good for eSports. It's about what's better for themselves.


You surely aren't garnering any new fans for MLG and Esports by generalizing and patronizing an entire population of people you've only known through the internet. What's so wrong about looking out for one's self? Get off your high horse and donate 2000 dollars to TL. Not wanting to pay for overpriced products and for poor business handling has nothing to do with being spoiled rich brats. If you really give a fuck about Esports then MLG is surely not the first place you invest your money.
Riskr
Profile Joined November 2010
Germany403 Posts
March 15 2012 09:01 GMT
#310
Are there any numbers realeased on ppv?
Ain´t no mind to the battles you´ve won!
Kaitlin
Profile Joined December 2010
United States2958 Posts
March 15 2012 09:06 GMT
#311
On March 15 2012 17:41 SupLilSon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 15 2012 17:27 Kaitlin wrote:
On March 15 2012 16:32 Hipsv wrote:
I don't understand why people think that PPV is going to hurt the growth of eSports when most profitable sports started as "PPV" long before they could sustain a free TV model.


They don't. They just want it for free because they would rather "somebody else" (the sponsors) pay for it. Self-entitled. It's not about what's good for eSports. It's about what's better for themselves.


You surely aren't garnering any new fans for MLG and Esports by generalizing and patronizing an entire population of people you've only known through the internet. What's so wrong about looking out for one's self? Get off your high horse and donate 2000 dollars to TL. Not wanting to pay for overpriced products and for poor business handling has nothing to do with being spoiled rich brats. If you really give a fuck about Esports then MLG is surely not the first place you invest your money.

You said you didn't understand something. I attempted to explain it. Then you jump me, that I'm not garnering support for eSports, and assuming I have a problem with people acting in their own interest. No. I support eSports when there is a product or service that I worth my money. I bought a Razer Keyboard and Mouse. I am all for people acting in their own best interest. That is human nature and I'm puzzled when others can't understand why people don't act for the benefit of others, instead of themselves (even though it permeates these boards). I was not judging people not wanting to purchase particular products, but that wasn't really what you were asking. You mentioned 'why people think PP is going to hurt the growth of eSports'. I answered that very question. Also, this entitlement generation is not the same as "spoiled rich brats". Entitlement is the sense that you have things coming to you, generally shit that belongs to other people.
B.I.G.
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
3251 Posts
March 15 2012 09:16 GMT
#312
propellor hats for everyone!
SupLilSon
Profile Joined October 2011
Malaysia4123 Posts
March 15 2012 09:22 GMT
#313
On March 15 2012 18:06 Kaitlin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 15 2012 17:41 SupLilSon wrote:
On March 15 2012 17:27 Kaitlin wrote:
On March 15 2012 16:32 Hipsv wrote:
I don't understand why people think that PPV is going to hurt the growth of eSports when most profitable sports started as "PPV" long before they could sustain a free TV model.


They don't. They just want it for free because they would rather "somebody else" (the sponsors) pay for it. Self-entitled. It's not about what's good for eSports. It's about what's better for themselves.


You surely aren't garnering any new fans for MLG and Esports by generalizing and patronizing an entire population of people you've only known through the internet. What's so wrong about looking out for one's self? Get off your high horse and donate 2000 dollars to TL. Not wanting to pay for overpriced products and for poor business handling has nothing to do with being spoiled rich brats. If you really give a fuck about Esports then MLG is surely not the first place you invest your money.

You said you didn't understand something. I attempted to explain it. Then you jump me, that I'm not garnering support for eSports, and assuming I have a problem with people acting in their own interest. No. I support eSports when there is a product or service that I worth my money. I bought a Razer Keyboard and Mouse. I am all for people acting in their own best interest. That is human nature and I'm puzzled when others can't understand why people don't act for the benefit of others, instead of themselves (even though it permeates these boards). I was not judging people not wanting to purchase particular products, but that wasn't really what you were asking. You mentioned 'why people think PP is going to hurt the growth of eSports'. I answered that very question. Also, this entitlement generation is not the same as "spoiled rich brats". Entitlement is the sense that you have things coming to you, generally shit that belongs to other people.


I'm not the person you were talking to earlier. Read. It's helpful on internet forums.
how
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States538 Posts
March 15 2012 09:28 GMT
#314
That is awesome. Sundance knows his shit, can't wait to see where this takes us in 2012!
http://twitter.com/howsc
ShinobiX
Profile Joined September 2011
Germany33 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-15 11:56:52
March 15 2012 11:55 GMT
#315
On March 15 2012 17:27 Kaitlin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 15 2012 16:32 Hipsv wrote:
I don't understand why people think that PPV is going to hurt the growth of eSports when most profitable sports started as "PPV" long before they could sustain a free TV model.


They don't. They just want it for free because they would rather "somebody else" (the sponsors) pay for it. Self-entitled. It's not about what's good for eSports. It's about what's better for themselves.


I like you, you're funny. Earlier you said, MLG's only interest is the bottom line. That seems to be very true with the PPV model. Also you ignore the lie that Sundance told us when he said "I want to help eSport grow."

What you seem to ignore is that PPV does not attract new viewers. Sidestep here: Did european football charge PPV in its early days? Nope, around 1900 they certainly did not charge PPV as there was no television. Did american football do that? Doubt it, pretty old sport as well. Basketball? Baseball? Tennis? Shit none of these great sports charged PPV, so whatever sport Hipsv was talking about, I'd sure like an example that is not some obscure new age x-game sport.

And again, when I think of my buddies and if MLG would attract them, I'd have to say YES! If it's free to watch. They don't know SC2, they don't give a shit about an Idra or a Huk. Now if I went to them and said "Hey, let's watch this fun tournament, it's about SC2 and once you get to know it, it's really fun to watch." they might even say "Heck, why not..." But then I'd have to say "Oh darn, this great event is PPV, could you cough up 10 bucks so we can share the PPV?" - "Errr, you're kidding right?"

What I mean to say is, they don't even know what they are paying for. I don't see how this is growing eSport. No PPV event will attract new viewers. So basically you're left on your current viewer numbers and have to develop new ways to milk their pockets for money.

HOW IS THAT GOOD FOR ESPORT? It's not. It's only good for MLGs pockets and indirectly for their investors. MLG is in the process of selling out eSport and Sundance has the guts to get on LO3 and say "I want to help eSport". And the really funny bit is that people on here justify him and say he's a genius. Huh?

Of course, you can call this a big community entitlement party, but honestly? I don't give a flying fuck. I don't own eSport, MLG, any team and certainly nothing else. I'm a mere viewer. I don't even play that much, because I suck too much. But this platform enables me to say my mind. And I'm saying right now PPV is the wrong business model if you want to help eSport grow. Because the majority of western culture knows fuck all about eSport or SC2. If Sundance or anyone else wants to help eSport grow, he should go out and promote it. AND NOT TO THE TL COMMUNITY, because the people here obviously know what it's all about.

He should get on fucking talkshows and tell people what a spectacle it can be. And please stop nerding out on "outside" events just like that conference of sports analysis. That was so very close to being a nerdfest. Kudos to Day9 and Sundance for keeping it somewhat focused on media and viewership issues and business as well. If Sundance did more of those events, he'd do more for eSport than this PPV thing did. Because as much as I detest his need to lie about his intentions, I'd bet he could sell truckloads of horsepoo, if he needs to. He's that type of person.
Frankon
Profile Joined May 2010
3054 Posts
March 15 2012 12:05 GMT
#316
On March 15 2012 18:28 how wrote:
That is awesome. Sundance knows his shit, can't wait to see where this takes us in 2012!

You know that with each such action Sundance loses more and more control of MLG. He literary becomes a guy who "get it" but can't do anything about it.
tsango
Profile Joined July 2011
Australia214 Posts
March 15 2012 12:10 GMT
#317
225% growth and more funding for mlg, doesnt matter which way you cut it, thats a big win for esports. ^.^
If you dont like something, then that should be reason enough to try and change it
zaii
Profile Joined October 2010
Guam2611 Posts
March 15 2012 12:16 GMT
#318
MLG PPV doesn't hurt eSports/SC2 scene. This scene is so oversaturated with content. It doesn't matter if MLG went PPV. You can always bring new ppl into the scene by showing them other free content streams.
ShinobiX
Profile Joined September 2011
Germany33 Posts
March 15 2012 12:18 GMT
#319
On March 15 2012 21:16 zaii wrote:
MLG PPV doesn't hurt eSports/SC2 scene. This scene is so oversaturated with content. It doesn't matter if MLG went PPV. You can always bring new ppl into the scene by showing them other free content streams.


Actually, that is the first argument pro PPV that makes sense to me. Thanks for sharing!
meny1337
Profile Joined December 2011
Czech Republic2 Posts
March 15 2012 12:42 GMT
#320
yey more chairs for mlg!
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