EPTDiamond Zerg Replay Pack - Page 4
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Phays
Sweden162 Posts
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Grobyc
Canada18410 Posts
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Doomblaze
United States1292 Posts
On March 11 2012 04:45 FinalForm wrote: Calling romelako stupid and making assumptions about his skill level isn't a real great way to start a thread. Although I applaud your effort into releasing a replay pack, I strongly urge up and coming players to focus more on pro play rather than amateur. Studying NA Diamond play comes with the risks of picking up bad habits which take time to reverse. For analogy, as a middle school music student learning the trumpet , I can receive lessons from high school trumpet player, or I can receive lessons from someone who plays for the Boston Philharmonic Orchestra. The high school student might give me some tips and tricks, but he may have bad posture or poor breathing technique that I will mimic. NA Diamond is to Stephano as High School Player is to Boston Philharmonic is a pretty accurate statement I believe. It's not a particularly good analogy. I have friends who are better at violin teach me stuff occasionally, and they notice 4-5 things im doing wrong. My private teacher is one of the best teachers in michigan, if not the best. At any given time he can point out 20 things I can improve at. The problem is that I can't work on more than 2-3 things at once or other parts of my play start to suffer, so while my private teacher is much, much better, they're both extremely helpful. If someone is looking to improve, and hes in like gold, both this guys replays and a korean GM zergs replays will be helpful. Obviously the professional zerg will be better, but the OP is trying to contribute to the community, and everyone is shutting him down. This is why people never post replay packs on TL. | ||
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InseKtSC2
United States173 Posts
On March 11 2012 08:50 13_Doomblaze_37 wrote: It's not a particularly good analogy. I have friends who are better at violin teach me stuff occasionally, and they notice 4-5 things im doing wrong. My private teacher is one of the best teachers in michigan, if not the best. At any given time he can point out 20 things I can improve at. The problem is that I can't work on more than 2-3 things at once or other parts of my play start to suffer, so while my private teacher is much, much better, they're both extremely helpful. If someone is looking to improve, and hes in like gold, both this guys replays and a korean GM zergs replays will be helpful. Obviously the professional zerg will be better, but the OP is trying to contribute to the community, and everyone is shutting him down. This is why people never post replay packs on TL. I kind of like some of the negative responses lol its amusing. This thread actually earned me my first hate mail via PM as well. Very nice stuff hahaha. | ||
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Firesilver
United Kingdom1190 Posts
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Natespank
Canada449 Posts
To the OP: I advise you against striving for Masters. You should just try to play as well and as perfectly as possible, treat it like your art. Focusing on gaining a title saps your focus on improvement- if I could, I would hide my league from my view, maybe check on it every 3-6 months. | ||
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Arco
United States2090 Posts
Not trying to hate, just saying that it's detrimental for new players to look at a diamond level player and think it's the "right thing to do." | ||
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xxgeffxx
United States119 Posts
I hate rapid share I love the bm in the first game haha. to the whole watching nonpros debate: When I was silver, I watched fxo-optikzero and ailuj before she became popular. Ailuj was and probably still is diamond but watching her execute optik's builds just not as fast helped me to understand optiks builds better and what I could expect from lower diamonds and plats. There are a few reasons watching people lower than masters are sometimes better than watching pros: Since the metagame is much different at gm than it is at diamond, gms can get away with some builds that would be suicide at lower levels(ie nexus first). MVP tails does funky builds(no scouting, 3bases before robo) that let them stay atop of the KR ladder because not only do their opponents do builds like 1rax expo, allow them to get away with it, but also their micro is far superior to the point where their units can make up their deficiencies with less numbers. It is for this reason I don't think lower levels should try to do builds such as Nexus first vs terran, but rather outdated builds that plats/golds use such as 3g expo where their 5minute expo beats the 12minute expo found in silver and below because almost all terran that level go overboard on turtling from a possible 4gate. | ||
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Capped
United Kingdom7236 Posts
Would you kick a guy in the balls for giving to charity? He's trying to give people some help, doing no harm and just doing his thing. You guys are ridiculous. Good initiative dude. | ||
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Durp
Canada3117 Posts
I've always been a fan of the "if you have nothing positive to contribute, don't contribute at all" mentality. | ||
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Zerevorr
Austria23 Posts
On March 11 2012 11:07 Durp wrote: I have an idea. If you're in Masters league and think him posting his replays was a waste of time, why don't you do the lower league guy the favor of critiquing them for him, and letting him know what to work on. I've always been a fan of the "if you have nothing positive to contribute, don't contribute at all" mentality. Yeah this "if you have nothing positive to contribute, don'T contribute at all" mentality is pretty awesome. Who needs criticism or feedback? Lets buy some pink sunglasses and sing reggea songs while sitting in the dirt. In my personal opinion, there isn't much a bronzy/gold player can learn while watching this replays, they are probably going to copy mistakes or bad gameplay. And why would you want to do that when there are enough replays from better players where you can see how it's done right from the beginning. | ||
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Sylailene
91 Posts
I mean honestly a lot of pro players rely on game knowledge and mechanics, while they may gain some game knowledge watching pros, the most they will learn is that they can't micro like MKP or stephano and give up, best to take it at a gradual pace, if you know what i mean ^.^ | ||
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InseKtSC2
United States173 Posts
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InseKtSC2
United States173 Posts
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b0ub0u
Canada445 Posts
I still watch replays and matches of pro (way too much lol) but watching diamond replays let me understand the overall gameplay at that level, what I should expect and such... Ignore the haters... I like the idea =) | ||
Vul
United States685 Posts
On March 11 2012 07:28 InseKtSC2 wrote: He stated that there can be an argument in support of incremental learning. Your argument is in support of professional replay analysis that leads towards improvement. Both arguments are valid. There's more than one way to solve a problem. For me personally, I started in Bronze and went to Gold just from playing games and watching tournaments, no replays. I absolutely agree with this. There doesn't have to be just one way to learn to play SC2. Should you watch pro replays, Day9, the Artosis Hour and so on? Definitely, that will probably be the best way for you to learn what's ideal, and that's what you should attempt to base your play on. I think it's actually inaccurate to say that lower league players can't learn from that stuff, I know I did. That said, as a silver league player it can also be beneficial to take a look at the difference in play, not just between the silver league and professional players, but also between the silver league and diamond/masters. That allows you to gauge yourself against the caliber of play in leagues that you're realistically trying to get into. To make a long story short, it gives you a tangible idea of what diamond league play will look like, for a player who isn't necessarily that close yet. Should you take close notes and try to emulate the play? No, and the OP has been clear about that. But there's nothing wrong with loading up a few of these replays if you're a lower league player. | ||
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Xanbatou
United States805 Posts
It's just pointless. NA masters players aren't even that good compared to pros. | ||
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Vul
United States685 Posts
On March 21 2012 03:02 Xanbatou wrote: The problem with threads like this, and the reasoning always put forth by the OP of such threads, is that it is a slippery slope. If we allow diamonds to post replay packs so that lower leagues can learn from them, why can't we allow gold players to put replay packs up so silver players can learn? And then the silver players will put replay packs up, and etc. It's just pointless. NA masters players aren't even that good compared to pros. But why's that a problem? People post whatever they want (as long they format it the right way in the thread, etc.) and if people want to download and discuss them, they can, if they don't, they won't. I don't see a problem being generated from this thread, for example, aside from people choosing to be overly critical at times. In regards to organization, imo there should be a Replay Pack and/or Replay Analysis subform under SC2 anyway, regardless of whether bronze-masters league players decide to post replay packs. I'm not sure where the proper place is to make recommendations on TL, but maybe that's a recommendation the community needs to make in response to your concerns and for general organization? | ||
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BlackGosu
Canada1046 Posts
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TheNessman
United States4158 Posts
If you're looking for fun T builds you should think about going ALL AIR . imo its viable to at least platinum | ||
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