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EDIT:
************************ NEW REPLAY PACK NOW AVAILABLE..*********************
Replay Pack V2 Link:
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The new replay pack features 45 Diamond League Zerg replays and a folder titled EXTRAS that has hilarious footage of my Protoss and Terran play (Platinum level) doing fun strats and succeeding with them  If anything, I feel as if you are not interested in the Zerg replays then you should definitely check out the EXTRAS folder for some great entertainment.
I will be switching to Terran so this is why I posted the new replay pack so soon. I will release one of my Terran play once I am in at least Diamond League.
Thank you, and I hope you all enjoy!
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Hello everyone!
I recently decided while working my way to Master's League that I would make a compilation of replays to view my improvement and the trends in my play, whether good or bad.
I started the replay pack this week so there is not a very large amount of games (there are around 15 so far). I thought maybe I would release them on TL since other players may be able to benefit from viewing them as well for the sake of improvement and a greater knowledge of how other players play in certain leagues.
Most replays have a descriptive name that lists the matchup, the map abbreviation, and a short description of the game. Also, If you all are interested in having more replay packs from me, or if the replays were useful then please leave a comment stating so below.
Again, I am a Diamond level player just sharing a replay pack for those who are interested.
TLDR;
+ Show Spoiler +I am a Diamond level Zerg player releasing a small replay pack for people that want to watch it for their own entertainment or studies.
Replay Pack:
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EDIT: Since many people have been conversing about this below, the point is not to mimic my game play. It is rather to compare the different play styles between the viewer and myself and my other opponents that are also in Diamond league. If you wish to pick up certain aspects of my game play that is fine, however the whole point of the replay pack is to gain a deeper understanding of what upcoming players (below Diamond) will more than likely be facing later on.
EDIT 2: ***** If you like what you see and would like a voice over commentary when I release Master's League replays in the future LET ME KNOW! I can always do more to provide players with more content. *****
FINAL EDIT: Thank you everyone for your feedback, I will be providing much larger replay packs (of about 30-50 games notable games) in the somewhat near future.
If you guys want to contact me directly regarding any suggestions, concerns, or future plans, you can contact me either via this thread, a TL PM, or on Twitter @InseKtSC2
Thank you.
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who would watch this over spanishiwa's analysis of replays or stephano's replay pack?
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On March 11 2012 04:33 romelako wrote:
who would watch this over spanishiwa's analysis of replays or stephano's replay pack?
Sigh time to have to repeat myself....
I stated that I am a Diamond league player, which obviously means I am not the same caliber compared to professionals.
Also, I stated that maybe other players could gain something from them. (For example bronze - gold players mostly)
It is more or less just a way to compare the way people play in each league. I suggest you may want to have a look at it, since you don't seem to be that high caliber of a player yourself from what I can perceive from the stupidity of your question.
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I actually think it's good to watch someone around your skill level every once in a while. They make a lot more noticeable mistakes which you then can improve upon.
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On March 11 2012 04:38 InseKtSC2 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2012 04:33 romelako wrote:
who would watch this over spanishiwa's analysis of replays or stephano's replay pack? Sigh time to have to repeat myself.... I stated that I am a Diamond league player, which obviously means I am not the same caliber compared to professionals. Also, I stated that maybe other players could gain something from them. (For example bronze - gold players mostly) It is more or less just a way to compare the way people play in each league. I suggest you may want to have a look at it, since you don't seem to be that high caliber of a player yourself from what I can perceive from the stupidity of your question.
Calling people stupid when you're diamond league is kind of laughable tbh, also his question is totally valid. There is no reason what so ever anyone that wants to learn would watch replays of a diamond player over a top level pro. Sure they could learn from you but they can learn the same stuff and more from top tier pro replays + watching diamond you might copy some things that are bad and pick up bad habbits, watching pros thats much less likely to happen.
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I like the idea, it's a lot easier for a gold-league zerg to watch and emulate a diamond. Often times people just get overwhelmed by the GM replay packs and fall victim to a 'run before you can walk' scenario.
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On March 11 2012 04:40 LambtrOn wrote:
I actually think it's good to watch someone around your skill level every once in a while. They make a lot more noticeable mistakes which you then can improve upon.
You watch your own replays to see your own mistakes, learning what mistakes other random guys make in diamond doesn't help you at all. If that were a good thing to do someone could make an arguement that a masters level player can watch a bronze player play to see his mistakes, which makes no sense. It would help the bronze player to watch that but it wouldn't really help anyone else
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On March 11 2012 04:41 Caelyn0101 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2012 04:38 InseKtSC2 wrote:On March 11 2012 04:33 romelako wrote:
who would watch this over spanishiwa's analysis of replays or stephano's replay pack? Sigh time to have to repeat myself.... I stated that I am a Diamond league player, which obviously means I am not the same caliber compared to professionals. Also, I stated that maybe other players could gain something from them. (For example bronze - gold players mostly) It is more or less just a way to compare the way people play in each league. I suggest you may want to have a look at it, since you don't seem to be that high caliber of a player yourself from what I can perceive from the stupidity of your question. Calling people stupid when you're diamond league is kind of laughable tbh, also his question is totally valid. There is no reason what so ever anyone that wants to learn would watch replays of a diamond player over a top level pro. Sure they could learn from you but they can learn the same stuff and more from top tier pro replays + watching diamond you might copy some things that are bad and pick up bad habbits, watching pros thats much less likely to happen.
Actually it isn't as realistic for people to watch pro level replays compared to people that are already in the leagues that the viewer is striving for. Majority of the time, the viewers will never reach pro level, meaning they will more likely be competing against the type of replays I have shown, since it is generally the "higher end" play in traditional Diamond League.
It is more practical to learn things step by step then just jump into a pro replay and expect to play their style.
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On March 11 2012 04:43 ObliviousNA wrote:
I like the idea, it's a lot easier for a gold-league zerg to watch and emulate a diamond. Often times people just get overwhelmed by the GM replay packs and fall victim to a 'run before you can walk' scenario.
Thank you!!
Lol, this is the point I am attempting to make to some of the comments in this post but they all seem too close-minded to wrap their heads around the idea 
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Calling romelako stupid and making assumptions about his skill level isn't a real great way to start a thread.
Although I applaud your effort into releasing a replay pack, I strongly urge up and coming players to focus more on pro play rather than amateur. Studying NA Diamond play comes with the risks of picking up bad habits which take time to reverse.
For analogy, as a middle school music student learning the trumpet , I can receive lessons from high school trumpet player, or I can receive lessons from someone who plays for the Boston Philharmonic Orchestra. The high school student might give me some tips and tricks, but he may have bad posture or poor breathing technique that I will mimic.
NA Diamond is to Stephano as High School Player is to Boston Philharmonic is a pretty accurate statement I believe.
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On March 11 2012 04:43 ObliviousNA wrote:
I like the idea, it's a lot easier for a gold-league zerg to watch and emulate a diamond. Often times people just get overwhelmed by the GM replay packs and fall victim to a 'run before you can walk' scenario.
While i kind of agree that people could be overwhelmed with GM replays, Honestly trying to mimic diamond players isn't something you want to do. Like i said before while there are some things that they might do correctly, there are alot of things that are incorrect, and for any low level players it would be too hard to differentiate between the things they should mimic and the things they shouldn't
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On March 11 2012 04:46 Caelyn0101 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2012 04:43 ObliviousNA wrote:
I like the idea, it's a lot easier for a gold-league zerg to watch and emulate a diamond. Often times people just get overwhelmed by the GM replay packs and fall victim to a 'run before you can walk' scenario. While i kind of agree that people could be overwhelmed with GM replays, Honestly trying to mimic diamond players isn't something you want to do. Like i said before while there are some things that they might do correctly, there are alot of things that are incorrect, and for any low level players it would be too hard to differentiate between the things they should mimic and the things they shouldn't
The point isn't to mimic my game play at all.
It is to get a basis and understanding of what diamond level players generally do.
People seem to be misinterpreting this as if I am a pro that has posted a replay pack. The only use for this is to compare play styles, not mimic my play.
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On March 11 2012 04:44 InseKtSC2 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2012 04:41 Caelyn0101 wrote:On March 11 2012 04:38 InseKtSC2 wrote:On March 11 2012 04:33 romelako wrote:
who would watch this over spanishiwa's analysis of replays or stephano's replay pack? Sigh time to have to repeat myself.... I stated that I am a Diamond league player, which obviously means I am not the same caliber compared to professionals. Also, I stated that maybe other players could gain something from them. (For example bronze - gold players mostly) It is more or less just a way to compare the way people play in each league. I suggest you may want to have a look at it, since you don't seem to be that high caliber of a player yourself from what I can perceive from the stupidity of your question. Calling people stupid when you're diamond league is kind of laughable tbh, also his question is totally valid. There is no reason what so ever anyone that wants to learn would watch replays of a diamond player over a top level pro. Sure they could learn from you but they can learn the same stuff and more from top tier pro replays + watching diamond you might copy some things that are bad and pick up bad habbits, watching pros thats much less likely to happen. Actually it isn't as realistic for people to watch pro level replays compared to people that are already in the leagues that the viewer is striving for. Majority of the time, the viewers will never reach pro level, meaning they will more likely be competing against the type of replays I have shown, since it is generally the "higher end" play in traditional Diamond League. It is more practical to learn things step by step then just jump into a pro replay and expect to play their style.
What makes someone a pro player isn't really their build orders. No matter what league you are in you can take builds from the top level of GM or Masters and use them and it will be good. No that doesn't make you pro and you won't be able to macro / micro and make the decisions that pro / highever level players do, but that doesn't make the builds any less legitamate.
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On March 11 2012 04:47 InseKtSC2 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2012 04:46 Caelyn0101 wrote:On March 11 2012 04:43 ObliviousNA wrote:
I like the idea, it's a lot easier for a gold-league zerg to watch and emulate a diamond. Often times people just get overwhelmed by the GM replay packs and fall victim to a 'run before you can walk' scenario. While i kind of agree that people could be overwhelmed with GM replays, Honestly trying to mimic diamond players isn't something you want to do. Like i said before while there are some things that they might do correctly, there are alot of things that are incorrect, and for any low level players it would be too hard to differentiate between the things they should mimic and the things they shouldn't The point isn't to mimic my game play at all. It is to get a basis and understanding of what diamond level players generally do. People seem to be misinterpreting this as if I am a pro that has posted a replay pack. The only use for this is to compare play styles, not mimic my play.
I know your point isn't to mimic, this was in reply to the guy that posted after you ;D
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Well basically I'm done commenting in this thread for now but take the thread for what it is worth.
If you are a player who wishes to use the replay pack as a stepping stone forward, then so be it.
The replays are basically just put out there for peoples' viewing pleasures.
Thanks!
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On March 11 2012 04:38 InseKtSC2 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2012 04:33 romelako wrote:
who would watch this over spanishiwa's analysis of replays or stephano's replay pack? Sigh time to have to repeat myself.... I stated that I am a Diamond league player, which obviously means I am not the same caliber compared to professionals. Also, I stated that maybe other players could gain something from them. (For example bronze - gold players mostly) It is more or less just a way to compare the way people play in each league. I suggest you may want to have a look at it, since you don't seem to be that high caliber of a player yourself from what I can perceive from the stupidity of your question.
This comes across as very self important. The thing is you've posted on Team Liquid. Theses forums are inhabited by numerous high master players. While you are far above average in the overall 1v1 population of SC2, you and I are peons here. There's nothing wrong with posting your replays for all to see, but you have to understand that people are coming here for high level content, and will thus get annoyed with the clutter of lower level junk.
Edit: for grammer
Also, your sig confirms my concept of your self importance.
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On March 11 2012 04:53 Stipulation wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2012 04:38 InseKtSC2 wrote:On March 11 2012 04:33 romelako wrote:
who would watch this over spanishiwa's analysis of replays or stephano's replay pack? Sigh time to have to repeat myself.... I stated that I am a Diamond league player, which obviously means I am not the same caliber compared to professionals. Also, I stated that maybe other players could gain something from them. (For example bronze - gold players mostly) It is more or less just a way to compare the way people play in each league. I suggest you may want to have a look at it, since you don't seem to be that high caliber of a player yourself from what I can perceive from the stupidity of your question. This comes across as very self important. The thing is you've posted on Team Liquid. Theses forums are inhabited by numerous high master players. While you are far above average in the overall 1v1 population of SC2, you and I are peons here. There's nothing wrong with posting your replays for all to see, but you have to understand that people are coming here for high level content, and will thus get annoyed with the clutter of lower level junk. Edit: for grammer Also, your sig confirms my concept of your self importance.
haha so agree
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On March 11 2012 04:53 Stipulation wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2012 04:38 InseKtSC2 wrote:On March 11 2012 04:33 romelako wrote:
who would watch this over spanishiwa's analysis of replays or stephano's replay pack? Sigh time to have to repeat myself.... I stated that I am a Diamond league player, which obviously means I am not the same caliber compared to professionals. Also, I stated that maybe other players could gain something from them. (For example bronze - gold players mostly) It is more or less just a way to compare the way people play in each league. I suggest you may want to have a look at it, since you don't seem to be that high caliber of a player yourself from what I can perceive from the stupidity of your question. This comes across as very self important. The thing is you've posted on Team Liquid. Theses forums are inhabited by numerous high master players. While you are far above average in the overall 1v1 population of SC2, you and I are peons here. There's nothing wrong with posting your replays for all to see, but you have to understand that people are coming here for high level content, and will thus get annoyed with the clutter of lower level junk. Edit: for grammer Also, your sig confirms my concept of your self importance.
This isn't a post for self importance, and my signature is just something I have if people wanna communicate with me or watch my stream..
The only reason I posted this which was stated in the original post was because I already made the replay pack for myself so why not throw it out on TL and maybe .1% of people will get something out of it. I realize that there are many masters players on these forums but you have to realize the population of master league players in SC2 is about 1-2% of SC2's entire population.
Like I said, the replays are just put out there if you want to view them, if not, I don't know why people have to comment saying why they don't. If you do not wish to view the replays then don't watch them, simple as that.
EDIT: Also I know there is a large amount of high level content, if they wish to view that then this thread is clearly not the place to do so
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As far as I am concerned this thread did what it had to do.
1 person downloaded the pack, and my point was if one person could benefit from this then all of the aggravation in the comments was worth my time.
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On March 11 2012 04:38 InseKtSC2 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2012 04:33 romelako wrote:
who would watch this over spanishiwa's analysis of replays or stephano's replay pack? Sigh time to have to repeat myself.... I stated that I am a Diamond league player, which obviously means I am not the same caliber compared to professionals. Also, I stated that maybe other players could gain something from them. (For example bronze - gold players mostly) It is more or less just a way to compare the way people play in each league. I suggest you may want to have a look at it, since you don't seem to be that high caliber of a player yourself from what I can perceive from the stupidity of your question.
I could not agree more with you. When I was lower league, I actually found it much more educational to watch diamond level play as they can hold a simple build down and its pretty easy to copy. Pros games and strats are ultra based on scouting whilst doing drops in 4 different places at once while repelling mutalisks. What can a bonze player learn from that?
Thanks for the pack, im sure some people will learn from it.
On March 11 2012 05:02 InseKtSC2 wrote:
As far as I am concerned this thread did what it had to do.
1 person downloaded the pack, and my point was if one person could benefit from this then all of the aggravation in the comments was worth my time.
http://troll.me/images/brick-tamland/oh-you.jpg
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On March 11 2012 05:04 Eiaco wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2012 04:38 InseKtSC2 wrote:On March 11 2012 04:33 romelako wrote:
who would watch this over spanishiwa's analysis of replays or stephano's replay pack? Sigh time to have to repeat myself.... I stated that I am a Diamond league player, which obviously means I am not the same caliber compared to professionals. Also, I stated that maybe other players could gain something from them. (For example bronze - gold players mostly) It is more or less just a way to compare the way people play in each league. I suggest you may want to have a look at it, since you don't seem to be that high caliber of a player yourself from what I can perceive from the stupidity of your question. I could not agree more with you. When I was lower league, I actually found it much more educational to watch diamond level play as they can hold a simple build down and its pretty easy to copy. Pros games and strats are ultra based on scouting whilst doing drops in 4 different places at once while repelling mutalisks. What can a bonze player learn from that? Thanks for the pack, im sure some people will learn from it.
No problem, I appreciate your feedback!
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On March 11 2012 05:02 InseKtSC2 wrote:
As far as I am concerned this thread did what it had to do.
1 person downloaded the pack, and my point was if one person could benefit from this then all of the aggravation in the comments was worth my time.
But was your time really worth a thread?
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On March 11 2012 05:06 ZenithM wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2012 05:02 InseKtSC2 wrote:
As far as I am concerned this thread did what it had to do.
1 person downloaded the pack, and my point was if one person could benefit from this then all of the aggravation in the comments was worth my time. But was your time really worth a thread?
I would hope so.
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I just feel as though if something isn't EXACTLY what someone wants to see when they open a thread then they pull out the pitch forks. I thought it was pretty clean cut and that I stated I am a Diamond level player..
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Not really sure what the hate is about. Most pro-level builds and replays are incredibly "strategically dense" with respect to the reasoning behind them, and most, if not all of that is going to be lost on a silver player, for example.
Additionally, the kinds of builds people actually do in the lower leagues are mostly completely unrelated to the builds pros do, and it is reasonable to expect that a lower league player may be able to solve specific gold-league-like problems by watching a plat or diamond player.
OP, I'm sure some people will find your replays useful. Thanks for making a contribution to the community.
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Diamond level players play extremely badly. There's nothing useful one of any level can learn from a Diamond player. Also, Diamond level is an improper description of a skill level because The Diamond League extends over a very wide range of skill. Low level Diamond is abysmal while Top level Diamond is just bad.
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On March 11 2012 05:13 ForgottenOne wrote:
Diamond level players play extremely badly. There's nothing useful one of any level can learn from a Diamond player. Also, Diamond level is an improper description of a skill level because The Diamond League extends over a very wide range of skill. Low level Diamond is abysmal while Top level Diamond is just bad.
It is the "better" of the worse of the Starcraft population. The majority of SC2 players are gold and below.
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On March 11 2012 05:12 Fission wrote:
Not really sure what the hate is about. Most pro-level builds and replays are incredibly "strategically dense" with respect to the reasoning behind them, and most, if not all of that is going to be lost on a silver player, for example.
Additionally, the kinds of builds people actually do in the lower leagues are mostly completely unrelated to the builds pros do, and it is reasonable to expect that a lower league player may be able to solve specific gold-league-like problems by watching a plat or diamond player.
OP, I'm sure some people will find your replays useful. Thanks for making a contribution to the community.
This guy gets it 
Thanks
Everyone says in order to aid the community you should put yourself out there in any way possible. Then when I do, I get a bunch of shit for it lol.
Thank you for your understanding.
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On March 11 2012 04:38 InseKtSC2 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2012 04:33 romelako wrote:
who would watch this over spanishiwa's analysis of replays or stephano's replay pack? Sigh time to have to repeat myself.... I stated that I am a Diamond league player, which obviously means I am not the same caliber compared to professionals. Also, I stated that maybe other players could gain something from them. (For example bronze - gold players mostly) It is more or less just a way to compare the way people play in each league. I suggest you may want to have a look at it, since you don't seem to be that high caliber of a player yourself from what I can perceive from the stupidity of your question.
If bronze and gold players start to copy misstakes of diamond or other lower leagues they wont get too far.
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I have downloaded the pack and will watch it ! Just because of these mean people over here dizzing the OP !
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Thanks for the replays, its nice to see how another player progresses at the lower levels.
As stated above how the pros play is completely different to the average John Doe. While we all want to play like MMA with his 3 CC expands and godly micro its just not practical
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On March 11 2012 05:23 balosan wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2012 04:38 InseKtSC2 wrote:On March 11 2012 04:33 romelako wrote:
who would watch this over spanishiwa's analysis of replays or stephano's replay pack? Sigh time to have to repeat myself.... I stated that I am a Diamond league player, which obviously means I am not the same caliber compared to professionals. Also, I stated that maybe other players could gain something from them. (For example bronze - gold players mostly) It is more or less just a way to compare the way people play in each league. I suggest you may want to have a look at it, since you don't seem to be that high caliber of a player yourself from what I can perceive from the stupidity of your question. If bronze and gold players start to copy misstakes of diamond or other lower leagues they wont get too far.
The edit in the OP will answer your concern.
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Thanks for the positive feedback guys!
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I'm diggin it, thanks for the replays.
Looking forward to any more you post in the near or distant future. I wish you luck getting to Masters, sir.
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Hey bro don't let the haters get you down! This IS helpfull to lower league players for 2 reasons, many pro builds are dependent upon pro level execution and the many many cheeses diamond level players and lower face are nothing like the cheeses I would expect to see in the GSL for example. Take into consideration many gm/pro players play very greedy and somewhat risky, because they can fall back on thier pro level micro and excelent scouting plus reaction times to bail them out, there is also a lot of metagaming involved in thier build decisions. Thanks for the content 
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Really appreciate people like you doing this. Even though I'm masters, I do agree that it is easier for someone in bronze~gold to mimic or pick up things from a diamond than from a grandmaster progamer. The tricky part of this is whether or not the person who watches the replays can pick apart the good habits from the bad habits. Other than that, I I really approve of what you're trying to do. Nice!
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haters gona hate. thanks for the uploads.
If people really dont want to see threads like these cluttering up the front page, STOP POSTING.
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Thanks so much everyone, I will post more once I am in Masters league and make sure I get you guys some juicy games
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I'm high masters on 3 accounts with 2 being random race. I think we should encourage this more.. many people can't benefit from my replays without really having it explained on why I do what I do and how I can get away with it.
+1 op, +1
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On March 11 2012 06:00 Yosho wrote:
I'm high masters on 3 accounts with 2 being random race. I think we should encourage this more.. many people can't benefit from my replays without really having it explained on why I do what I do and how I can get away with it.
+1 op, +1
Once I am in master's league I will more than likely upload the replays with voice overs and commentary... we'll see haha.
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In fact if you guys would like voice over commentary of my Master league games in the future when I'm in masters let me know.
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Thanks for the upload!
I was recently promoted to diamond not too long ago and I'm really having a tough time there.
Hopefully this will give me a bit of insight as to what other zergs are doing and what I'm missing. ^^
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On March 11 2012 06:09 Galamoz wrote:
Thanks for the upload!
I was recently promoted to diamond not too long ago and I'm really having a tough time there.
Hopefully this will give me a bit of insight as to what other zergs are doing and what I'm missing. ^^
No problem!
There aren't many ZvT replays since I haven't gotten much of that match up this season so far, but I hope you find something that can assist you!
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herp derp
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Thanks for the replays. Being diamond myself, I like to watch that kind of replays from time to time, it somestimes turns out to be really useful. Good luck on your way to master, we'll meet there. :D
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On March 11 2012 04:47 InseKtSC2 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2012 04:46 Caelyn0101 wrote:On March 11 2012 04:43 ObliviousNA wrote:
I like the idea, it's a lot easier for a gold-league zerg to watch and emulate a diamond. Often times people just get overwhelmed by the GM replay packs and fall victim to a 'run before you can walk' scenario. While i kind of agree that people could be overwhelmed with GM replays, Honestly trying to mimic diamond players isn't something you want to do. Like i said before while there are some things that they might do correctly, there are alot of things that are incorrect, and for any low level players it would be too hard to differentiate between the things they should mimic and the things they shouldn't The point isn't to mimic my game play at all. It is to get a basis and understanding of what diamond level players generally do. People seem to be misinterpreting this as if I am a pro that has posted a replay pack. The only use for this is to compare play styles, not mimic my play.
Except diamond players are terrible and almost never play the game properly. I think you're way better off learning how to play properly and then getting your mechanics good enough to execute at a masters level instead of basing decisions on players who dont do anything properly and then having to relearn everything once you promote.
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Cool, how abouts everyone from bronze to masters upload their replays!
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On March 11 2012 06:45 TheSubtleArt wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2012 04:47 InseKtSC2 wrote:On March 11 2012 04:46 Caelyn0101 wrote:On March 11 2012 04:43 ObliviousNA wrote:
I like the idea, it's a lot easier for a gold-league zerg to watch and emulate a diamond. Often times people just get overwhelmed by the GM replay packs and fall victim to a 'run before you can walk' scenario. While i kind of agree that people could be overwhelmed with GM replays, Honestly trying to mimic diamond players isn't something you want to do. Like i said before while there are some things that they might do correctly, there are alot of things that are incorrect, and for any low level players it would be too hard to differentiate between the things they should mimic and the things they shouldn't The point isn't to mimic my game play at all. It is to get a basis and understanding of what diamond level players generally do. People seem to be misinterpreting this as if I am a pro that has posted a replay pack. The only use for this is to compare play styles, not mimic my play. Except diamond players are terrible and almost never play the game properly. I think you're way better off learning how to play properly and then getting your mechanics good enough to execute at a masters level instead of basing decisions on players who dont do anything properly and then having to relearn everything once you promote.
Generalizations often make for an invalid argument.
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On March 11 2012 06:45 TheSubtleArt wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2012 04:47 InseKtSC2 wrote:On March 11 2012 04:46 Caelyn0101 wrote:On March 11 2012 04:43 ObliviousNA wrote:
I like the idea, it's a lot easier for a gold-league zerg to watch and emulate a diamond. Often times people just get overwhelmed by the GM replay packs and fall victim to a 'run before you can walk' scenario. While i kind of agree that people could be overwhelmed with GM replays, Honestly trying to mimic diamond players isn't something you want to do. Like i said before while there are some things that they might do correctly, there are alot of things that are incorrect, and for any low level players it would be too hard to differentiate between the things they should mimic and the things they shouldn't The point isn't to mimic my game play at all. It is to get a basis and understanding of what diamond level players generally do. People seem to be misinterpreting this as if I am a pro that has posted a replay pack. The only use for this is to compare play styles, not mimic my play. Except diamond players are terrible and almost never play the game properly. I think you're way better off learning how to play properly and then getting your mechanics good enough to execute at a masters level instead of basing decisions on players who dont do anything properly and then having to relearn everything once you promote.
There's an argument to be made for incremental learning. I tend to visualize sc2 knowledge as a large fuzzy collection of ideas, where low level players have only the fuzziest and vaguest idea what the notions are, and have no concept of how they relate to each other. As you improve, the ideas/concepts sharpen,and you start being capable of seeing and understanding relations between the concepts. You also gain new ways of looking at the same information - new mental tools, in a sense. The kind of things I can see in a replay of SlayersMMA are not nearly as detailed as the sort of things IMMVP will see, for example. Just because we observe the same replay doesn't mean you can conclude that we are equally capable of interpreting it.
Under this model of learning, it makes perfect sense for a silver or gold player to look at the replay of a diamond player, because they may be able to discern features that are important to them, because the level of play is relatively similar to theirs, but sharper in some important way. This distinction may stand out in an obvious way to the lower-level player, and their assimilation of the knowledge will be an improvement. In contrast, they may be overwhelmed by the immense informational-density of a pro-level build, and be unable to see any relation to their play because of how different it is.
The whole idea that a low level player can watch a pro-replay and make any sense of it is incredibly misguided, in my opinion. The sorts of inferences and conclusion one can make after watching a replay is intrinsically related to the amount of knowledge already possessed. If you don't know anything, your ability to extract relevant information (to your play) is negligible.
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On March 11 2012 07:00 Fission wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2012 06:45 TheSubtleArt wrote:On March 11 2012 04:47 InseKtSC2 wrote:On March 11 2012 04:46 Caelyn0101 wrote:On March 11 2012 04:43 ObliviousNA wrote:
I like the idea, it's a lot easier for a gold-league zerg to watch and emulate a diamond. Often times people just get overwhelmed by the GM replay packs and fall victim to a 'run before you can walk' scenario. While i kind of agree that people could be overwhelmed with GM replays, Honestly trying to mimic diamond players isn't something you want to do. Like i said before while there are some things that they might do correctly, there are alot of things that are incorrect, and for any low level players it would be too hard to differentiate between the things they should mimic and the things they shouldn't The point isn't to mimic my game play at all. It is to get a basis and understanding of what diamond level players generally do. People seem to be misinterpreting this as if I am a pro that has posted a replay pack. The only use for this is to compare play styles, not mimic my play. Except diamond players are terrible and almost never play the game properly. I think you're way better off learning how to play properly and then getting your mechanics good enough to execute at a masters level instead of basing decisions on players who dont do anything properly and then having to relearn everything once you promote. There's an argument to be made for incremental learning. I tend to visualize sc2 knowledge as a large fuzzy collection of ideas, where low level players have only the fuzziest and vaguest idea what the notions are, and have no concept of how they relate to each other. As you improve, the ideas/concepts sharpen,and you start being capable of seeing and understanding relations between the concepts. Under this model of learning, it makes perfect sense for a silver or gold player to look at the replay of a diamond player, because they may be able to discern features that are important to them, but are not overwhelmed by the immense informational-density of a pro-level build. The whole idea that a low level player can watch a pro-replay and make any sense of it is incredibly misguided, in my opinion. The sorts of inferences and conclusion one can make after watching a high-level replay is intrinsically related to the amount of knowledge already possessed. If you don't know anything, your capability to extract relevant information (to your play) is negligible.
I completely agree, very well explained concept.
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On March 11 2012 06:45 TheSubtleArt wrote:
Except diamond players are terrible and almost never play the game properly. I think you're way better off learning how to play properly and then getting your mechanics good enough to execute at a masters level instead of basing decisions on players who dont do anything properly and then having to relearn everything once you promote.
I don't think you're fully understanding why he's posting replays of his diamond play. Being at high Plat, I'll admit it I'm not any good, at all. But why do you care if this individual is trying to help the community by offering his replays as a way to learn?
It seems you think that anyone who decides to post replays should be Masters or GM. But as a low tier player, their builds/executions/timing don't make any sense to me, and again I'm fine with that too. I'm still new and I'll learn it eventually, but I'm a new player and I can't be expected to learn a build order or their methodology behind their game play. It would be like skipping a step; I wouldn't understand why which would lead to confusion and frustration.
Learning from a Diamond player, I can sort of put my place in his shoes and break down what he's doing because he's in the same boat as I am.
Being disrespectful to someone who's only intention is to help, makes you seem so simple and narrow minded on what the true intentions are.
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What you people don't seem to realize is he's providing content for free, with good intentions.
You really feel the need to talk down to someone who is just trying to provide some content for the community?
Good job, do what you enjoy man.
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I have to say it seems as though overall I received a lot of positive feedback and support for this idea. I will likely be releasing much larger replay packs in the (possibly somewhat near) future.
Thanks for everyone who gave me positive feedback, and thanks for the negative feedback as well, since it serves as a free thread bump
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I do have a request, though I have not gone through all your replays, I wouldn't mind seeing a 2base all in ZvP. Right now ZvP is my weakest match up.
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On March 11 2012 07:17 DeVx wrote:
I do have a request, though I have not gone through all your replays, I wouldn't mind seeing a 2base all in ZvP. Right now ZvP is my weakest match up.
Okay I'll try to put some in the next release.
I play Zerg very defensively and strive to get to the late game in most cases. Since most Protoss players have been FFEing recently, it's easy to put your third down as soon as the 4:30 mark, which often leads me into a macro game that overwhelms the opponent in army numbers.
Basically most of my ZvPs revolve around the style DRG introduced into the MLG Winter Arena with his mid game Roach Ling aggression off 3 base and then tech switching into Mutalisks in overwhelming numbers. Of course however, I cannot execute the build in the same caliber as DRG.
But I'll try to mix it up a bit in the next batch!
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Aaah, the monthly thread about a low league replay pack, where half the posts mock the original poster, and the other half are not assholes, resulting in a classic debate about the learning curve of SC2 in the lower leagues.
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On March 11 2012 07:00 Fission wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2012 06:45 TheSubtleArt wrote:On March 11 2012 04:47 InseKtSC2 wrote:On March 11 2012 04:46 Caelyn0101 wrote:On March 11 2012 04:43 ObliviousNA wrote:
I like the idea, it's a lot easier for a gold-league zerg to watch and emulate a diamond. Often times people just get overwhelmed by the GM replay packs and fall victim to a 'run before you can walk' scenario. While i kind of agree that people could be overwhelmed with GM replays, Honestly trying to mimic diamond players isn't something you want to do. Like i said before while there are some things that they might do correctly, there are alot of things that are incorrect, and for any low level players it would be too hard to differentiate between the things they should mimic and the things they shouldn't The point isn't to mimic my game play at all. It is to get a basis and understanding of what diamond level players generally do. People seem to be misinterpreting this as if I am a pro that has posted a replay pack. The only use for this is to compare play styles, not mimic my play. Except diamond players are terrible and almost never play the game properly. I think you're way better off learning how to play properly and then getting your mechanics good enough to execute at a masters level instead of basing decisions on players who dont do anything properly and then having to relearn everything once you promote. There's an argument to be made for incremental learning. I tend to visualize sc2 knowledge as a large fuzzy collection of ideas, where low level players have only the fuzziest and vaguest idea what the notions are, and have no concept of how they relate to each other. As you improve, the ideas/concepts sharpen,and you start being capable of seeing and understanding relations between the concepts. Under this model of learning, it makes perfect sense for a silver or gold player to look at the replay of a diamond player, because they may be able to discern features that are important to them, but are not overwhelmed by the immense informational-density of a pro-level build. The whole idea that a low level player can watch a pro-replay and make any sense of it is incredibly misguided, in my opinion. The sorts of inferences and conclusion one can make after watching a replay is intrinsically related to the amount of knowledge already possessed. If you don't know anything, your ability to extract relevant information (to your play) is negligible.
I do not agree with any of this.
I've never played a rts seriously before Sc2 (just playing with no care for winning).
I started in the release, as silver.
Nothing helped me more than pro replays, nothing is even close. Even as a uber scruby gold player.
Why? Pretty simple:
Those replays allow me see the proper response and folow ups (and excecution) to "things" that happen in games.
Those help me to realise what decisions work and what do not, what is the BEST response of all for every situation.
Nothing can be more misguiding that a non-proper response to "things" (events during a game).
I'm now a high masters player, and now i understand (every day i learn new stuff, fo curse) how builds work and how to react to certain situations, my skill celling now is mostly apm (i'm so slow), and fast/proper excecution of previously studied theory; but for that i need just a lot of practice; the correct theory, as i said, i take it form the guys those who spend countless hours of analysis and study, aka THE PROS.
That's why posting a low level replays is bad (not a sin, lol) compared to pro replays, even for low level players. The problem in lower leagues is mostly GAME UNDERSTANDING (even with lo apm you can reach masters, decisions and then execution, are the key). So a diam replays as a learning tool, are indeed misleading (and imo not recommended) for any player.
PS.: I was there, i was silver, but analysis, can be done by any level, you just have to watch and learn from the people who know what is doing.
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On March 11 2012 07:24 Belha wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2012 07:00 Fission wrote:On March 11 2012 06:45 TheSubtleArt wrote:On March 11 2012 04:47 InseKtSC2 wrote:On March 11 2012 04:46 Caelyn0101 wrote:On March 11 2012 04:43 ObliviousNA wrote:
I like the idea, it's a lot easier for a gold-league zerg to watch and emulate a diamond. Often times people just get overwhelmed by the GM replay packs and fall victim to a 'run before you can walk' scenario. While i kind of agree that people could be overwhelmed with GM replays, Honestly trying to mimic diamond players isn't something you want to do. Like i said before while there are some things that they might do correctly, there are alot of things that are incorrect, and for any low level players it would be too hard to differentiate between the things they should mimic and the things they shouldn't The point isn't to mimic my game play at all. It is to get a basis and understanding of what diamond level players generally do. People seem to be misinterpreting this as if I am a pro that has posted a replay pack. The only use for this is to compare play styles, not mimic my play. Except diamond players are terrible and almost never play the game properly. I think you're way better off learning how to play properly and then getting your mechanics good enough to execute at a masters level instead of basing decisions on players who dont do anything properly and then having to relearn everything once you promote. There's an argument to be made for incremental learning. I tend to visualize sc2 knowledge as a large fuzzy collection of ideas, where low level players have only the fuzziest and vaguest idea what the notions are, and have no concept of how they relate to each other. As you improve, the ideas/concepts sharpen,and you start being capable of seeing and understanding relations between the concepts. Under this model of learning, it makes perfect sense for a silver or gold player to look at the replay of a diamond player, because they may be able to discern features that are important to them, but are not overwhelmed by the immense informational-density of a pro-level build. The whole idea that a low level player can watch a pro-replay and make any sense of it is incredibly misguided, in my opinion. The sorts of inferences and conclusion one can make after watching a replay is intrinsically related to the amount of knowledge already possessed. If you don't know anything, your ability to extract relevant information (to your play) is negligible. I do not agree with any of this. I've never played a rts seriously before Sc2 (just playing with no care for winning). I started in the release, as silver. Nothing helped me more than pro replays, nothing is even close. Even as a uber scruby gold player. Why? Pretty simple: Those replays allow me see the proper response and folow ups (and excecution) to "things" that happen in games. Those help me to realise what decisions work and what do not, what is the BEST response of all for every situation. Nothing can be more misguiding that a non-proper response to "things" (events during a game). I'm now a high masters player, and now i understand how (most, every day i find new stuff) build works and how to react to certain situations, my skill celling now is mostly apm (i'm so slow), and fast/proper excecution of previously studied theory; but for that i need a lot of practice; the correct theory, as i said, i take it form the guys those who spend countless hours of analysis and study, aka THE PROS. That's why posting a low level replays is bad (not a sin, lol) , but compared to pro replays, even for low level players, because the problem with those is the GAME UNDERSTANDING (even with lo apm you can reach masters, decisions and execution is the key). So a diam replays as a learning tool, are indeed misleading (and imo not recommended) for any player. PS.: I was there, i was silver, but analysis, can be done by any level, you just have to watch and learn from the people who know what is doing.
He stated that there can be an argument in support of incremental learning. Your argument is in support of professional replay analysis that leads towards improvement. Both arguments are valid.
There's more than one way to solve a problem.
For me personally, I started in Bronze and went to Gold just from playing games and watching tournaments, no replays.
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I don't understand why people want to invalidate this. I've downloaded it and am in the process of going through it - I placed diamond this season and after having not played for a many months, I'm going to go through these to see what I can expect/what I need to worry about. Thank you for your contribution to my learning>
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It's kind of weird how this worked out lol. I said if 1% find this useful I would be happy.
21 people have downloaded the replay pack and 2100 people have viewed this thread
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Don't mind the haters, would have loved this if I was a lower league player!
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Jeez, so many people have nothing better to do other than scrutinize someone for posting some replays when they aren't GM. Can't you guys just post something nice or not post at all? There's no harm in him posting them, and even if most people won't look at them, there's no reason to be so insulting.
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On March 11 2012 04:45 FinalForm wrote:
Calling romelako stupid and making assumptions about his skill level isn't a real great way to start a thread.
Although I applaud your effort into releasing a replay pack, I strongly urge up and coming players to focus more on pro play rather than amateur. Studying NA Diamond play comes with the risks of picking up bad habits which take time to reverse.
For analogy, as a middle school music student learning the trumpet , I can receive lessons from high school trumpet player, or I can receive lessons from someone who plays for the Boston Philharmonic Orchestra. The high school student might give me some tips and tricks, but he may have bad posture or poor breathing technique that I will mimic.
NA Diamond is to Stephano as High School Player is to Boston Philharmonic is a pretty accurate statement I believe.
It's not a particularly good analogy. I have friends who are better at violin teach me stuff occasionally, and they notice 4-5 things im doing wrong. My private teacher is one of the best teachers in michigan, if not the best. At any given time he can point out 20 things I can improve at. The problem is that I can't work on more than 2-3 things at once or other parts of my play start to suffer, so while my private teacher is much, much better, they're both extremely helpful.
If someone is looking to improve, and hes in like gold, both this guys replays and a korean GM zergs replays will be helpful. Obviously the professional zerg will be better, but the OP is trying to contribute to the community, and everyone is shutting him down. This is why people never post replay packs on TL.
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On March 11 2012 08:50 13_Doomblaze_37 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2012 04:45 FinalForm wrote:
Calling romelako stupid and making assumptions about his skill level isn't a real great way to start a thread.
Although I applaud your effort into releasing a replay pack, I strongly urge up and coming players to focus more on pro play rather than amateur. Studying NA Diamond play comes with the risks of picking up bad habits which take time to reverse.
For analogy, as a middle school music student learning the trumpet , I can receive lessons from high school trumpet player, or I can receive lessons from someone who plays for the Boston Philharmonic Orchestra. The high school student might give me some tips and tricks, but he may have bad posture or poor breathing technique that I will mimic.
NA Diamond is to Stephano as High School Player is to Boston Philharmonic is a pretty accurate statement I believe. It's not a particularly good analogy. I have friends who are better at violin teach me stuff occasionally, and they notice 4-5 things im doing wrong. My private teacher is one of the best teachers in michigan, if not the best. At any given time he can point out 20 things I can improve at. The problem is that I can't work on more than 2-3 things at once or other parts of my play start to suffer, so while my private teacher is much, much better, they're both extremely helpful. If someone is looking to improve, and hes in like gold, both this guys replays and a korean GM zergs replays will be helpful. Obviously the professional zerg will be better, but the OP is trying to contribute to the community, and everyone is shutting him down. This is why people never post replay packs on TL.
I kind of like some of the negative responses lol its amusing. This thread actually earned me my first hate mail via PM as well. Very nice stuff hahaha.
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He can post his replay pack freely, If you personally don't think it would benefit you then why bother posting, no-one cares if you don't want to watch them, if some people do want to see the replays they can get them, I'm appalled people are actually derailing this thread over it.
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Trolls...
To the OP:
I advise you against striving for Masters. You should just try to play as well and as perfectly as possible, treat it like your art. Focusing on gaining a title saps your focus on improvement- if I could, I would hide my league from my view, maybe check on it every 3-6 months.
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New players should watch pro replays too. The point of watching replays is to see an opening done to perfection, and how that build goes up against another build in x matchup.
Not trying to hate, just saying that it's detrimental for new players to look at a diamond level player and think it's the "right thing to do."
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to the op:
I hate rapid share
I love the bm in the first game haha.
to the whole watching nonpros debate:
When I was silver, I watched fxo-optikzero and ailuj before she became popular. Ailuj was and probably still is diamond but watching her execute optik's builds just not as fast helped me to understand optiks builds better and what I could expect from lower diamonds and plats.
There are a few reasons watching people lower than masters are sometimes better than watching pros:
Since the metagame is much different at gm than it is at diamond, gms can get away with some builds that would be suicide at lower levels(ie nexus first). MVP tails does funky builds(no scouting, 3bases before robo) that let them stay atop of the KR ladder because not only do their opponents do builds like 1rax expo, allow them to get away with it, but also their micro is far superior to the point where their units can make up their deficiencies with less numbers. It is for this reason I don't think lower levels should try to do builds such as Nexus first vs terran, but rather outdated builds that plats/golds use such as 3g expo where their 5minute expo beats the 12minute expo found in silver and below because almost all terran that level go overboard on turtling from a possible 4gate.
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lol, if you dont want to watch him dont. seriously, raging at him for nothing.
Would you kick a guy in the balls for giving to charity?
He's trying to give people some help, doing no harm and just doing his thing. You guys are ridiculous.
Good initiative dude.
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I have an idea. If you're in Masters league and think him posting his replays was a waste of time, why don't you do the lower league guy the favor of critiquing them for him, and letting him know what to work on.
I've always been a fan of the "if you have nothing positive to contribute, don't contribute at all" mentality.
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On March 11 2012 11:07 Durp wrote:
I have an idea. If you're in Masters league and think him posting his replays was a waste of time, why don't you do the lower league guy the favor of critiquing them for him, and letting him know what to work on.
I've always been a fan of the "if you have nothing positive to contribute, don't contribute at all" mentality.
Yeah this "if you have nothing positive to contribute, don'T contribute at all" mentality is pretty awesome. Who needs criticism or feedback? Lets buy some pink sunglasses and sing reggea songs while sitting in the dirt.
In my personal opinion, there isn't much a bronzy/gold player can learn while watching this replays, they are probably going to copy mistakes or bad gameplay. And why would you want to do that when there are enough replays from better players where you can see how it's done right from the beginning.
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Bunch of hate for no reason, most I'm sure most bronze-platinum people would want to be high masters, but all they care about right now is getting up a league, one at a time, and things like this helps them. Even if it isn't high level play they learn more basic concepts and builds, once they hit diamond like the person in the replay pack, then they can start watching pro level replays.
I mean honestly a lot of pro players rely on game knowledge and mechanics, while they may gain some game knowledge watching pros, the most they will learn is that they can't micro like MKP or stephano and give up, best to take it at a gradual pace, if you know what i mean ^.^
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I've received a lot of awesome feedback from you all, thank you!
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New Pack uploaded! check top of original post to see!
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Thanks for all of this! I am plat and for me it's just perfect watching replays of a diamond Zerg.
I still watch replays and matches of pro (way too much lol) but watching diamond replays let me understand the overall gameplay at that level, what I should expect and such...
Ignore the haters... I like the idea =)
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On March 11 2012 07:28 InseKtSC2 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2012 07:24 Belha wrote:On March 11 2012 07:00 Fission wrote:On March 11 2012 06:45 TheSubtleArt wrote:On March 11 2012 04:47 InseKtSC2 wrote:On March 11 2012 04:46 Caelyn0101 wrote:On March 11 2012 04:43 ObliviousNA wrote:
I like the idea, it's a lot easier for a gold-league zerg to watch and emulate a diamond. Often times people just get overwhelmed by the GM replay packs and fall victim to a 'run before you can walk' scenario. While i kind of agree that people could be overwhelmed with GM replays, Honestly trying to mimic diamond players isn't something you want to do. Like i said before while there are some things that they might do correctly, there are alot of things that are incorrect, and for any low level players it would be too hard to differentiate between the things they should mimic and the things they shouldn't The point isn't to mimic my game play at all. It is to get a basis and understanding of what diamond level players generally do. People seem to be misinterpreting this as if I am a pro that has posted a replay pack. The only use for this is to compare play styles, not mimic my play. Except diamond players are terrible and almost never play the game properly. I think you're way better off learning how to play properly and then getting your mechanics good enough to execute at a masters level instead of basing decisions on players who dont do anything properly and then having to relearn everything once you promote. There's an argument to be made for incremental learning. I tend to visualize sc2 knowledge as a large fuzzy collection of ideas, where low level players have only the fuzziest and vaguest idea what the notions are, and have no concept of how they relate to each other. As you improve, the ideas/concepts sharpen,and you start being capable of seeing and understanding relations between the concepts. Under this model of learning, it makes perfect sense for a silver or gold player to look at the replay of a diamond player, because they may be able to discern features that are important to them, but are not overwhelmed by the immense informational-density of a pro-level build. The whole idea that a low level player can watch a pro-replay and make any sense of it is incredibly misguided, in my opinion. The sorts of inferences and conclusion one can make after watching a replay is intrinsically related to the amount of knowledge already possessed. If you don't know anything, your ability to extract relevant information (to your play) is negligible. I do not agree with any of this. I've never played a rts seriously before Sc2 (just playing with no care for winning). I started in the release, as silver. Nothing helped me more than pro replays, nothing is even close. Even as a uber scruby gold player. Why? Pretty simple: Those replays allow me see the proper response and folow ups (and excecution) to "things" that happen in games. Those help me to realise what decisions work and what do not, what is the BEST response of all for every situation. Nothing can be more misguiding that a non-proper response to "things" (events during a game). I'm now a high masters player, and now i understand how (most, every day i find new stuff) build works and how to react to certain situations, my skill celling now is mostly apm (i'm so slow), and fast/proper excecution of previously studied theory; but for that i need a lot of practice; the correct theory, as i said, i take it form the guys those who spend countless hours of analysis and study, aka THE PROS. That's why posting a low level replays is bad (not a sin, lol) , but compared to pro replays, even for low level players, because the problem with those is the GAME UNDERSTANDING (even with lo apm you can reach masters, decisions and execution is the key). So a diam replays as a learning tool, are indeed misleading (and imo not recommended) for any player. PS.: I was there, i was silver, but analysis, can be done by any level, you just have to watch and learn from the people who know what is doing. He stated that there can be an argument in support of incremental learning. Your argument is in support of professional replay analysis that leads towards improvement. Both arguments are valid. There's more than one way to solve a problem. For me personally, I started in Bronze and went to Gold just from playing games and watching tournaments, no replays.
I absolutely agree with this. There doesn't have to be just one way to learn to play SC2. Should you watch pro replays, Day9, the Artosis Hour and so on? Definitely, that will probably be the best way for you to learn what's ideal, and that's what you should attempt to base your play on. I think it's actually inaccurate to say that lower league players can't learn from that stuff, I know I did.
That said, as a silver league player it can also be beneficial to take a look at the difference in play, not just between the silver league and professional players, but also between the silver league and diamond/masters. That allows you to gauge yourself against the caliber of play in leagues that you're realistically trying to get into. To make a long story short, it gives you a tangible idea of what diamond league play will look like, for a player who isn't necessarily that close yet.
Should you take close notes and try to emulate the play? No, and the OP has been clear about that. But there's nothing wrong with loading up a few of these replays if you're a lower league player.
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The problem with threads like this, and the reasoning always put forth by the OP of such threads, is that it is a slippery slope. If we allow diamonds to post replay packs so that lower leagues can learn from them, why can't we allow gold players to put replay packs up so silver players can learn? And then the silver players will put replay packs up, and etc.
It's just pointless. NA masters players aren't even that good compared to pros.
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On March 21 2012 03:02 Xanbatou wrote:
The problem with threads like this, and the reasoning always put forth by the OP of such threads, is that it is a slippery slope. If we allow diamonds to post replay packs so that lower leagues can learn from them, why can't we allow gold players to put replay packs up so silver players can learn? And then the silver players will put replay packs up, and etc.
It's just pointless. NA masters players aren't even that good compared to pros.
But why's that a problem? People post whatever they want (as long they format it the right way in the thread, etc.) and if people want to download and discuss them, they can, if they don't, they won't. I don't see a problem being generated from this thread, for example, aside from people choosing to be overly critical at times.
In regards to organization, imo there should be a Replay Pack and/or Replay Analysis subform under SC2 anyway, regardless of whether bronze-masters league players decide to post replay packs. I'm not sure where the proper place is to make recommendations on TL, but maybe that's a recommendation the community needs to make in response to your concerns and for general organization?
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keep it up op. as long as one person is willing to learn, i don't see the problem at all.
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Thank you very much! I will watch these and try to improve from them ! and also as terran too, cause i play random.
If you're looking for fun T builds you should think about going ALL AIR . imo its viable to at least platinum
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i liked some games, tx for the post
may i ask why do u change races?
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On March 21 2012 07:07 macaronij wrote:
i liked some games, tx for the post
may i ask why do u change races?
I get too frustrated when I play Z. I would rather be the aggressor.
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On March 11 2012 04:41 Caelyn0101 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2012 04:38 InseKtSC2 wrote:On March 11 2012 04:33 romelako wrote:
who would watch this over spanishiwa's analysis of replays or stephano's replay pack? Sigh time to have to repeat myself.... I stated that I am a Diamond league player, which obviously means I am not the same caliber compared to professionals. Also, I stated that maybe other players could gain something from them. (For example bronze - gold players mostly) It is more or less just a way to compare the way people play in each league. I suggest you may want to have a look at it, since you don't seem to be that high caliber of a player yourself from what I can perceive from the stupidity of your question. Calling people stupid when you're diamond league is kind of laughable tbh, also his question is totally valid. There is no reason what so ever anyone that wants to learn would watch replays of a diamond player over a top level pro. Sure they could learn from you but they can learn the same stuff and more from top tier pro replays + watching diamond you might copy some things that are bad and pick up bad habbits, watching pros thats much less likely to happen.
Im considering watching his replay pack, may I do that or do you have a problem with that?....
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it's too bad it seems like peoples intent sometime is to jump onto threads and find a reason to complain. -- Goodjob on posting your replays homie and keep reviewing them and learning from them yourself. Analyzing replays in general regardless of the caliber is a good way to learn in some form or another. It amazes me how many people diamond/masters don't even know how to identify problems or really why they lost in replays.
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On March 21 2012 10:33 tx.zyclon wrote:
it's too bad it seems like peoples intent sometime is to jump onto threads and find a reason to complain. -- Goodjob on posting your replays homie and keep reviewing them and learning from them yourself. Analyzing replays in general regardless of the caliber is a good way to learn in some form or another. It amazes me how many people diamond/masters don't even know how to identify problems or really why they lost in replays.
thanks dude!
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EPT
