EPTEDIT: Although I do admit that with a horde of angry redditors screaming at sponsors this was probably the only option Alex had.
Orb Dismissed from Evil Geniuses Broadcasts - Page 50
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Alex is verbose, and you owe it to yourself (and the rest of us) to read the statement in its entirety. Remember, when making comments/claims to provide proper evidence, facts etc. Arguments based on incorrect assumptions, facts and straw men, will be dealt with swiftly. If in doubt, PM a mod or ask IRC. Do NOT spread misinformation, when in doubt, check your sources. In short, be smart. Alex comments on Idra: Orbs Statement: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=319038 Personal attacks against other posters in this thread will be met with a ban -- 14:20 KST | ||
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MountainGoat
United States507 Posts
EDIT: Although I do admit that with a horde of angry redditors screaming at sponsors this was probably the only option Alex had. | ||
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Paradice
New Zealand431 Posts
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TheRedViper
United States22 Posts
Oh, I'm black. | ||
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oBlade
United States5138 Posts
On March 09 2012 14:35 Silvertine wrote: And it's exactly what I predicted combined with an assortment of other hilariously stupid arguments. Thank you for proving my point. I don't know what I had to do with your point. Destiny may well not have the best arguments, but that school of thought has a lot of arguments and some of them are probably pretty persuasive. So your criticism that the conclusion is wrong because Destiny has a poor argument for it is an episode of hypocrisy because your own point was an informal logical fallacy, albeit it made for a very concise argument. | ||
tree.hugger
Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
On March 09 2012 14:28 Shiori wrote: Does it matter? Even a black person who takes offense to someone casually stating a racial slur (i.e. one that is not maliciously directed at them) is overreacting. It's a little more acceptable because of extenuating circumstances (e.g. they being black, if they're from a situation of having experienced racism etc. etc.) but they are nonetheless wrong to take offense, because what they should be opposed to is racism viz. racists, not terminology that reminds them of racism. Are you kidding me? A word that has been used in leiu of a whip for generations, a word that retains it's terrible power more than a century after the end of slavery , a word that still symbolizes the very real systematic racism present in our society, is something that people shouldn't be offended by, because it isn't racist? How should someone be able to tell the difference between a non-racist person who casually uses the words and tools of racists, and actual racists? Incredible to me that you find fault with the people who are taking offense, instead of at the person who has casually trodden across the sorest and most devastating sociological fault line in this country. We're not talking about some fantasy land. We're talking about real life; this planet in 2012, where that word is incredibly offensive, and with excellent reason, because the inequalities that it perpetuated are still in existence, just in different forms. Take your fairytale elsewhere. | ||
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XRaDiiX
Canada1730 Posts
On March 09 2012 14:28 MrDudeMan wrote: He wasnt trying to offend him by implying he was black. CONTEXT Uh comparison i was comparing Huks use of the word slang N###a as a friendly gesture to two of his friends. The person was trying to compare the similarities to Orbs use of N###er as a derogatory offense. | ||
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EnderSword
Canada669 Posts
On March 09 2012 14:38 Paradice wrote: Well handled. This shameful behavior has no place in the 21st century. Unless like, you win and MLG or IEM or something that excuses it of course User was temp banned for this post. | ||
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Karmablah
Canada48 Posts
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Megabuster123
Canada1837 Posts
On March 09 2012 14:34 Silvertine wrote: The word has been used as a racial slur for centuries, was created as a racial slur and has no other accepted meaning. Thus it's inherently racist. Not very difficult to understand. Except language isn't that cut and dry. Contextually speaking there a number of factors that come into play that determine the meaning of a word to a recipient. Words are rarely if anything inherently anything. | ||
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sickle
New Zealand656 Posts
noun 1. Slang: Extremely Disparaging and Offensive . a. a black person. b. a member of any dark-skinned people. 2. Slang: Extremely Disparaging and Offensive . a person of any race or origin regarded as contemptible, inferior, ignorant, etc. 3. a victim of prejudice similar to that suffered by blacks; a person who is economically, politically, or socially disenfranchised. Please note number 2. Isn't it obvious that in this context, the context of losing his temper after losing a game, Orb did not mean any racial hatred. In his statement he wasn't declaring blacks as inferior, or pushing forward any other racist agendas, rather he used it as a general, although strong, insult. I find it outrageous that over this small incident, a man has to lose his job and reputation. | ||
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kineticSYN
United States909 Posts
On March 09 2012 14:38 Angelbelow wrote: Lol do you see the mod note on the top of the thread? Alex address' IdrA's behavior there. yes, i saw that, and that's exactly my point. give priority and special treatment to a profitable individual, while immediately terminating someone else off of something he's done while not in any relation to EG idra speaks his mind and blatantly uses the term 'faggot' in interviews while wearing the EG jersey, and then moments later give the whole "thanks to my 10 billion sponsors" see what im sayin? | ||
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jester-
Canada547 Posts
On March 09 2012 14:28 Empire.Beastyqt wrote: I feel like last couple of weeks starcraft community as soon as they wake up they look to make some drama whenever its possible to do it. If he did this while in EG lair I can understand that they would dismiss him, but these were older replays and im pretty sure he wouldnt be stupid to do that while in EG lair and just got job from them. It sure is his fault, you cant blame anyone else, but most likely ruining his casting career forever is overdoing it because of something he did in past. He should be punished in some way, but not like this. I wish people when they come online would try to search for nice stuff someone did and make funny posts instead there is JUST drama and nothing else on TL or reddit lately. Yep, it's pretty disappointing. Orb is a great caster and is/was all over the place. I like this site and I like reddit, but I really don't like how critical and ridiculous they can be sometimes. It's like no one around here can relax and go about their business - like it's the norm to join the head hunt and vocalize your plans of retribution. Orb fucked up, but this community fucked up even harder today. Honestly haven't been this disappointed in the SC2 community in my life. | ||
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Pasargadae
Korea (South)173 Posts
Many people may claim "justice" was served, but this is ludicrously ignorant. Despite justice being mostly an opinion, there is a strong harken to egalitarianism, a rather lofty ideal this community desperately lacks. | ||
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Offhand
United States1869 Posts
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NG_
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ffdestiny
United States773 Posts
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ozzy1346
United States38 Posts
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ken-
63 Posts
Also I'm willing to bet EG has had a sit down talk with there members about this outcome. You really think you are going to see Idra use any type of slur in the future? I'm pretty sure he's smart enough to know the second he uses anything there will be a post about it here on TL and reddit. Pretty sure if Idra uses another slur in the future it would be his last as an EG member. (key word FUTURE) Hopefully this outcome will start the change needed to bring esports to the next level. Racial slurs of any kind is not allowed in sports, business, basically anywhere and that should include the internet as well. | ||
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Protosnake
France295 Posts
I'm sorry but it's simply is. Negra Negre Nigger have been used in Europe to depict the color black way before the discovery of Africa. Obviously this doesnt mean that the word doesnt have strong racial connotation today, but it mean that calling it "Inherently racist" is a proof of ignorance. | ||
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Whatson
United States5356 Posts
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