EPTThe way I see it though, EG didn't really have a choice. Enough people were butt hurt about it that they risked being called racists if they didn't do something fairly drastic.
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Alex is verbose, and you owe it to yourself (and the rest of us) to read the statement in its entirety. Remember, when making comments/claims to provide proper evidence, facts etc. Arguments based on incorrect assumptions, facts and straw men, will be dealt with swiftly. If in doubt, PM a mod or ask IRC. Do NOT spread misinformation, when in doubt, check your sources. In short, be smart. Alex comments on Idra: Orbs Statement: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=319038 Personal attacks against other posters in this thread will be met with a ban -- 14:20 KST | ||
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NotAPro
Canada146 Posts
The way I see it though, EG didn't really have a choice. Enough people were butt hurt about it that they risked being called racists if they didn't do something fairly drastic. | ||
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GenocideRun
United States262 Posts
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reneg
United States859 Posts
On March 09 2012 14:12 kochanfe wrote: Very true (albeit orb did try to cover it up but, still...). And Alex has words with IdrA every time he uses it on ladder. Read his twitter, have you seen idra call someone a 'faggot' recently? Edit: This guy should too: On March 09 2012 14:17 GenocideRun wrote: Nigga please. If yer gunna dismiss him for something he did before he was a part of EG, then dismiss Idra for all of his hateful bullshit he did before he was a member of EG. People need to get over shit. | ||
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tarodotoxin
United States110 Posts
On March 09 2012 14:06 Silvertine wrote: You're either not familiar with American culture or the English language. You really shouldn't comment from a place of utter ignorance. exactly. and top top of this, people use the term 'fag' in a way that has nothing to do with homosexuality. it has taken a meaning of its own. the word 'nigger' has not. however, to use the term 'faggot' to describe a homosexual is something very serious as well. although idra did not use it in this way, it is still required for alex to do what he did. each term shouldnt be used by a public figure. but Orb's use of the word 'nigger' is more than crossing the line. there are differences and greyed out areas. you can not be black and white on this subject... it makes you ignorantly unrealistic. EG has handled this very well, so please put yourself in their shoes before you blindly post. | ||
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Ghost.573
United States126 Posts
On March 09 2012 14:12 MrDudeMan wrote: Yeah rappers do use nigger sometimes, but its usually used as nigga. I think nigga is preferred more because it flows better and rhymes with more words than nigger. If you think about it nigga is actually a great word for rapping. Because its sort of like a synonym for bro or dude that doesn't sound cheesy as hell. As said that is true, however it is regularly used and written as "nigger". It is used both ways. I agree that for the most part it is used as "nigga", but it is definitely used the other way as well. That said, rapping is a profession where derogatory language does not matter whatsoever. Its tough to find a mainstream rapper who doesn't use some type of curse in their lyrics. "Faggot" is regularly used as well. | ||
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The_revenge
Mexico4 Posts
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strongandbig
United States4858 Posts
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viticuss
United States37 Posts
[B]On March 09 2012 14:10 10Sievert wrote:Ok, I pretty much stopped reading when you said you had an "undergraduate degree in Black Studies, Sociology, and Social Justice". Black Studies? Will there be White Studies? Oh wait, no, cause you yanks are idiots and some retard with a sociology and social justice "degree" will scream "racism!" Sociology is a non-science and social justice is probably the biggest pile of left wing horse manure in existence. How can social justice even be a degree? Get a real degree so that I can take you seriously. Maybe in engineering. Or nuclear physics. Or medicine. But I know you and people like you just aren't good enough for that, not smart enough, not hard working enough. The results can be seen in reality. The American univerisities are full of non-achievers "studying" pseudo areas for utterly worthless degrees. You yanks are going down and you'll be going down hard. You deserve it. Any country that allows getting degrees in such ridiculous "fields" deserves it. Then you go on a long rant over racism. To put it simply: there is no racism. Racism is built on the erroneous idea that there are different human races. There are not. There is one human race: the homo sapiens sapiens. That's it. Skin color doesn't equal race. Yes, it's that simple and it's a scientific fact. Homo sapiens sapiens. The racists follow an idea that is utterly unscientific and retarded, but the "anti racists" aren't any better. They also follow this ridiculous notion. So all those screaming against racism support the race idea, not matter how unscientific the idea actually is. Congrats, you're all fighting against science. I don't care what Orb said. Grow up FFS. People whine about what kills e-sports, well, there you have it. Retarded drama and ridiculous nonsense like this kills it. Oh wait. I don't care about e-sports. I'm only here cause a friend gave me the link for a good laugh and that's all you people are good for: a good laugh. This "reaction" shows that this entire thing is really just a joke. And, as I said before, flaunting a worthless degree into our faces right at the start? My, my, my, you really need a few hugs don't you? Lets break this one down point by point: 1. "Will there be White Studies?" Yes, it's called the history of Western Civilization. 2."Sociology is a non-science" Are you really claiming that there has never been or never will be scientific investagation of society or social life? 3. "Any country that allows getting degrees in such ridiculous "fields" deserves it". Study of sociology, cultural studies (albeit under the guise of Philosophy until the sciences were differentiated in the late 19th/early 20th C.) has been an integral part of any and every major university ever founded. Get a clue. 4. "There is no racism" I can't even begin to understand how to respond to this. Just because scientifically there are no races, how does that make it culturally so? Are there no marriages because people aren't born married? I was going to keep going but your ignorance has exceeded my upper limit. Enjoy your life of ignorance and fear. | ||
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rS.eZrA
United States39 Posts
At least make a fake account if you KNOW you rage during games...c'mon... | ||
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Noktix
United States492 Posts
Obviously pro sc2 is not the same as other sports, but at some point we have to have a certain degree of professionalism. Hopefully this sends a message to other commentators/casters that you have to remain a professional when putting yourself in the public eye... | ||
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Kaladin
United States88 Posts
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huameng
United States1133 Posts
On March 09 2012 14:09 motbob wrote: I dunno... imagine I said "Team Liquid has never defeatured someone for flying into a rage and BMing someone really badly." Does that mean TL condones BM, since someone was defeatured for one type of objectionable content but not for the BM? I think there is a gap between "condones" and "finds acceptable", there isn't. No, TeamLiquid wouldn't be condoning flaming someone until they cry, but they would have to admit it was acceptable, since accepting it is exactly what they are doing. I hope the staff decides on a policy for this either way sometime soon! | ||
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Rainier206
United States59 Posts
On March 09 2012 14:15 Klipsys wrote: So in EG's eyes, the word "nigger" is worse than "faggot?" Gay people weren't enslaved for hundreds of years. | ||
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Silvertine
United States509 Posts
On March 09 2012 14:08 Protosnake wrote: A place from utter ignorance ? Sure. Bring actual arguments instead of spouting buzzword and trying to look offended. You're just embarrassing yourself. What arguments are needed? It is a fact that nigger is considered a far more offensive term in America than faggot. If you wish to challenge that fact then go ahead. On March 09 2012 14:15 Klipsys wrote: So in EG's eyes, the word "nigger" is worse than "faggot?" Yep, them and everyone else with a brain. | ||
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fourColo
United States363 Posts
On March 09 2012 14:17 tarodotoxin wrote: exactly. and top top of this, people use the term 'fag' in a way that has nothing to do with homosexuality. it has taken a meaning of its own. the word 'nigger' has not. however, to use the term 'faggot' to describe a homosexual is something very serious as well. although idra did not use it in this way, it is still required for alex to do what he did. each term shouldnt be used by a public figure. but Orb's use of the word 'nigger' is more than crossing the line. there are differences and greyed out areas. you can not be black and white on this subject... it makes you ignorantly unrealistic. EG has handled this very well, so please put yourself in their shoes before you blindly post. Calling someone a faggot is wildly inappropriate and if you use it as an insult but do not consider yourself a homophobe, you are supremely ignorant. You are associating homosexuality with something bad, but you don't have a problem with homosexuals? Really? REALLY? | ||
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BoxingKangaroo
Japan955 Posts
On March 09 2012 14:13 FlamingTurd wrote: I'd have to agree with this. While I personally do not do this, I have friends of all races who do this all the time. Do I think any less of them? Nope. It's the internet and people come on here to blow off some steam and rage like little kids even when they're adults. To all the internet police out there, I guaranty you have at one time or another done something to offend many others as well. Basically the Greater Internet Dickwad Theory. It's the internet therefore it's ok. If I had friends like this, they would cease to be my friends. Unfortunately when you're a public figure, in any community, you don't get the benefit of anonymity. Goes for any caster in any sport in the world. Yeah I've probably offended a few people in my time in some ways. But one of those ways is not by calling them a racist remark, because frankly I'm smart enough to know how stupid that is. | ||
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OrD_SC2
United States247 Posts
Sponsors if you check these threads [which I'm thinking would make absolute sense] - you can definitely see a clear happy trend in EG's direction.  | ||
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pugowar
United States142 Posts
On March 09 2012 14:17 reneg wrote: And Alex has words with IdrA every time he uses it on ladder. Read his twitter, have you seen idra call someone a 'faggot' recently? Edit: This guy should too: What is your point with this post? It doesn't matter when Orb said something...it was in the past and he got fired. Idra said this, drops F Bombs and all sorts of other unprofessional language and it is okay because it is in the past...you don't see a double standard there at all? | ||
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xiaofan
United States513 Posts
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Zzoram
Canada7115 Posts
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