EPTOrb Dismissed from Evil Geniuses Broadcasts - Page 31
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Alex is verbose, and you owe it to yourself (and the rest of us) to read the statement in its entirety. Remember, when making comments/claims to provide proper evidence, facts etc. Arguments based on incorrect assumptions, facts and straw men, will be dealt with swiftly. If in doubt, PM a mod or ask IRC. Do NOT spread misinformation, when in doubt, check your sources. In short, be smart. Alex comments on Idra: Orbs Statement: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=319038 Personal attacks against other posters in this thread will be met with a ban -- 14:20 KST | ||
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Neonarg
United States10 Posts
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matiK23
United States963 Posts
Really? You don't know? It's funny when people on TL say "Go back to reddit." Like what does that even mean anymore? Team Liquid and Reddit aren't even distinguishable anymore. | ||
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wats0n
United States509 Posts
On March 09 2012 13:31 Defacer wrote: I would implore you that you are missing Garfield's point. He doesn't want the word to be dis-empowered, and he finds the cavalier and casual use of the word by nerds to be a slap in the face to all the people that have persecuted with it. For it to enter the lexicon of everyday language is ignoring everyone that it offends, and only deepens and widens the racial divide. Pretending that words don't matter, or only matters 'in-context,' just ignores racial issues, and doesn't 'eradicate' anything. That's absurd. The word only has meaning as it exists in the vernacular. Words have undergone changes in meaning in English for hundreds of years. English itself is only a vernacular language of the common folk. To suggest a word should be frozen in time and given deference is only perpetuating racism and growing the thoughts associated. No word has meaning on its own in a vacuum. You can't say that word to somebody with zero English experience and expect that by its euphony the person will recognize the sounds as being racist. That's total ignorance. On top of that, black scholars have explained the use of that word by black people themselves as a means of them re-inventing the word and changing the meaning to something positive. | ||
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WritersBlock
Canada91 Posts
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skatbone
United States1005 Posts
As a teacher of Cultural Studies with an interest in history, I respect your willingness to patiently discuss the baggage associated with the N-word. I also I am intrigued by the cyber-black-face of that Counter Strike team. That wouldn't go over well if they actually donned the makeup (see "The Real World" controversy). This is real stuff and as an older SC2 player, I have been patiently waiting for this community to grow up. This is a step in the right direction. | ||
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chipmunkrage
Canada51 Posts
On March 09 2012 13:40 Troyzilla wrote: So he was on his personal stream, with no EG overlay or tag, playing personal games, and people freaked out that he used a word commonly used on the internet to illustrate frustration? Just because he is on the stream doesn't mean that he's free to do whatever he likes. For example on the Live Stream link on TL, Idra would probably (?) be linked to as "EG.Idra" as opposed to just "Idra". Secondly and I am not sure if this is true but his twitch.tv page might have the EG name on there somewhere. More importantly, as a "public figure" he needs to conduct himself in a more professional manner. It's the same with any athlete. If Lebron James played starcraft 2 and streamed himself calling people fa---t, then you can bet that he'd get in a lot of trouble even if he's not doing anything even remotely related to basketball. | ||
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ronpaul012
United States769 Posts
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SeRenExZerg
United States401 Posts
I like orb, and his casting isn't shabby. hopefully he does well in the future. | ||
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shishy
United States115 Posts
... But I also feel that since Orb didn't say these things during the time he was with EG, that they are walking on a fine line by firing him. On one hand, he didn't say these offensive words while casting for EG master cup but he also lied and got extremely defensive by posting on reddit/twitter. Although Alex's posts makes it seem as if they had the intention of letting him go once they determined that he actually said what he said, in which case I think this was a slight over-reaction because I think he's a decent caster and had potential/could have changed or at least worked on his PR to make it not-this-awful. Oh well, I'm sure this isn't the end for orb; he'll probably just have to start working back up slowly again. | ||
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Zaros
United Kingdom3692 Posts
On March 09 2012 13:43 Razuik wrote: The N----- has a lot more history to it than the word F----- I doubt it has, pretty sure people were burning gays before the word nigger ever came into existence. | ||
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knOxStarcraft
Canada422 Posts
On March 09 2012 13:36 motbob wrote: How are the people in this thread comparing Idra's profanity to Orb's? How are the two situations even remotely the same? The word "nigger" is an automatic career-ender for a public figure in almost all situations of use. The word "faggot" is not. Oh so one is more "acceptable" than the other? How do you think homosexuals feel about what you just said? It is probably true but that doesn't mean it's the way it should continue to be. It's pretty obvious that saying faggot should be no more acceptable then saying nigger. And if you fire an employee for saying one of them you have to fire another employee for saying the other one. ESPECIALLY when you(Alex) rant on about how you believe it is so wrong to utter such terms. | ||
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OctoPuSs
Canada5279 Posts
On March 09 2012 13:42 iloveAthene wrote: Call a black guy "nigger" IRL and be prepared for an assbeating. That's all there is to say about that. They find it very offensive. Now, blacks do call their friends "nigga" sometimes but that word is different. My black friends will say to me "what up my nigga?" and I'll say it to them if I know they're cool with it. But I wouldn't say "my nigga" to a black guy I didn't know. That can be said for about any friendly slur. I think it's sad how touchy this 'mature' community is becoming. | ||
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jmbthirteen
United States10734 Posts
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dpL
Sweden571 Posts
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Megabust
Madagascar10 Posts
Agree with everything here. Ban anything you dont agree with ,,, apparently EG has a far reach. sad. User was temp banned for this post. | ||
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pugowar
United States142 Posts
On March 09 2012 13:42 Chill wrote: Don't worry everyone, in 2 days everyone will forget about this and move on to the next stupid drama. Jesus. Except someone lost their new job... permanently. | ||
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Silvertine
United States509 Posts
On March 09 2012 13:45 Zaros wrote: I doubt it has, pretty sure people were burning gays before the word nigger ever came into existence. Learn to read. He said the word, not homophobia altogether. | ||
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Zzoram
Canada7115 Posts
On March 09 2012 13:42 Chill wrote: Don't worry everyone, in 2 days everyone will forget about this and move on to the next stupid drama. Jesus. I was actually hoping that the community would grow up after this, but you're probably right. The anonymity of the Internet brings out the worst in people, and it's about time that we stop tolerating it. This incident probably won't fix the community overnight, but I've always felt the racist/homophobic/sexist/generally disrespectful part of gaming culture that refuses to go away is the single biggest limiting factor on the growth of professional gaming. | ||
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Gamegene
United States8308 Posts
On March 09 2012 13:45 knOxStarcraft wrote: Oh so one is more "acceptable" than the other? How do you think homosexuals feel about what you just said? It is probably true but that doesn't mean it's the way it should continue to be. It's pretty obvious that saying faggot should be no more acceptable then saying nigger. And if you fire an employee for saying one of them you have to fire another employee for saying the other one. ESPECIALLY when you(Alex) rant on about how you believe it is so wrong to utter such terms. it's the bare truth. that may not be what motbob feels but it's an absolute truth (at least in america): you say faggot and you will get a slap on the wrist. you say nigger and there will be a shitstorm. don't shoot the messenger. | ||
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musai
Canada552 Posts
On March 09 2012 13:43 hnQ wrote: that same "amazing" community was the one who caused this shitstorm, was the one who contacted the sponsors, and was the one who made orb go stupid about lying to his employer and get himself fired agreed, really like how Orb doesn't get a second chance for something like this and Alex spews some PR bullshit (again) | ||
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