EPTOrb Dismissed from Evil Geniuses Broadcasts - Page 32
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Alex is verbose, and you owe it to yourself (and the rest of us) to read the statement in its entirety. Remember, when making comments/claims to provide proper evidence, facts etc. Arguments based on incorrect assumptions, facts and straw men, will be dealt with swiftly. If in doubt, PM a mod or ask IRC. Do NOT spread misinformation, when in doubt, check your sources. In short, be smart. Alex comments on Idra: Orbs Statement: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=319038 Personal attacks against other posters in this thread will be met with a ban -- 14:20 KST | ||
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xHassassin
United States270 Posts
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Chill
Calgary25980 Posts
On March 09 2012 13:40 RJGooner wrote: Could you elaborate a bit more Chill? I'd be interested to hear your views on the situation. It's just dumb. Orb shouldn't be raging and using slurs. Orb shouldn't have said anything and definitely shouldn't have lied. EG also shouldn't have done anything. Two days later, everyone would have forgotten. The people who declared they were boycotting EG would likely have kept doing what they were doing previous to this situation. Orb deserved a public shaming and a stern talking to from EG. Not this. And I think above all, people don't realize how much they can shape someone's life. The people who organized this situation are now going to keep doing what they're doing while Orb tries to rearrange his real life. I appreciate that he should have to take responsibility for his actions, but he didn't deserve this. As I've said before - keep burning your volunteers and soon you're going to find that you don't have any more. | ||
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SerafeimSC
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greyconnect
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Also, this series of events/posts seems to have really happened very rapidly (or maybe I'm not observant). | ||
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MountainDewJunkie
United States10341 Posts
Yes, I watched that South park episode, too, but just one more reason people are getting dumber is the constant manipulation of words and meaning in the English language. Popular usage (meaning, incorrect usage that is widely accepted, typically) softens meaning and rewrites intent. Nigger means today what it did yesterday. Amazing that some black people even accept being called that, regardless of intent of use. It's like by people active attempt to defuse the word nigger, we are indirectly attempting to bury a piece America's ugly, disgusting past. You can't have it both ways. You can't use harsh language for dramatic affect and then downplay their meaning when you're called out. And to the person who said, "lots of people say nigger." Who, exactly? Who of sound, fair mind actively uses the word nigger? Whether he uses it online or to describe black people, or that's what he calls his bow of cereal, it doesn't matter. It's not useful, nor has the original meaning changed. | ||
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Zaros
United Kingdom3692 Posts
On March 09 2012 13:46 Silvertine wrote: Learn to read. He said the word, not homophobia altogether. learn history faggots were the bundle of sticks used to burn people. | ||
motbob
United States12546 Posts
On March 09 2012 13:39 Nick! wrote: I'm sorry but that is complete shit, for example...if you are having a chat with your boss and you work in an office...say something like ''oh yeah he was acting like a complete faggot/nigger''...he will take it as it is, he will either not mention it all OR he will say something along the lines of oh i dont appreciate you using that language around me. Example 2 which is closer to what a caster is, Basketball (first sport that came to my head) if the commentators say oh wow kobe's acting like a real nigger/faggot you really think he would be fine with faggot but not nigger? Get your head out EG's ass. User was temp banned for this post. Let me use a counter- counter-example, a real world example. Way back in beta, Orb was defeatured for saying the word "nigger" while streaming, if I recall correctly. Yet that has never happened for people who've used the word "faggot" to my knowledge, nor do I recall that option ever being discussed. There is a double-standard there. The two words are not equivalent in the public eye. In addition, Orb and Idra are at different levels of being a "public figure." You used the example of a sports broadcaster. Obviously if a sports commentator used either the n-word or f-word, they would be fired immediately. If an NFL player used the word "faggot," what would happen to him? Would he be fired? | ||
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Zzoram
Canada7115 Posts
On March 09 2012 13:44 SeRenExZerg wrote: people who get offended by a word are not the kind of people i would want to be around anyway, that is the most self-righteous thing i have ever heard. I like orb, and his casting isn't shabby. hopefully he does well in the future. Start saying "nigger" in public and at work and see how many people you'll have left around you. | ||
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TheRhox
Canada868 Posts
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SaroVati
Canada280 Posts
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ExO_
United States2316 Posts
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viticuss
United States37 Posts
On March 09 2012 13:40 Troyzilla wrote: So he was on his personal stream, with no EG overlay or tag, playing personal games, and people freaked out that he used a word commonly used on the internet to illustrate frustration? It's not illustrative of just frustration. And I don't expect to win people over on this, in truth his post is a bit polemic; those who understand how hateful n---r is will applaud and those who don't will reply with ??? and dissapointment, but he's right to make this decision. In a broader context, how do you convince someone how hateful the word is? I'm honestly against people using f---t, (Actually, Demuslim used it on stream a couple days ago, made me cringe) but it's still nothing like n----r. Forgive me for not remembering the quote precisely but MLK once said it's those who purport indifference or nuetrality are those who allow stereotypes and racism to perpetuate. People need to understand that a word doesn't simply "go away". And furthermore, to anyone who thinks that "racism just isn't what it used to be"; racism in the US and more broadly in the world has not gone away at all. A couple quick facts for naysayers: 1 in 3 black males born in the US today will spend some time in jail, there are 250,000 black people in jail for marijuana "crimes" at the moment, in NYC they did a study just in the past year and showed that black people are somthing like (don't quote me but I'm not hyperbolizing) 8x more likely *than white people to be stopped by police officers. These facts are ubiquitous and undeniable. People need to realize that while overly pendantic political correctness isn't good, to think that in any appreciable sense racism has "gone away" is just not true. | ||
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matiK23
United States963 Posts
On March 09 2012 13:44 SeRenExZerg wrote: people who get offended by a word are not the kind of people i would want to be around anyway, that is the most self-righteous thing i have ever heard. I like orb, and his casting isn't shabby. hopefully he does well in the future. Yea because you've never been hurt by words. Stop being a hypocrite. | ||
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ClysmiC
United States2192 Posts
I think it's really important to point out that racism today is not what it once was; not in the sense that it is any less widespread, or that it has any less of an impact on people's lives, but rather, in the sense that it functions very differently today compared to how it functioned twenty, thirty, forty, or more, years ago. Take, for example, the term "racist," which I think is a rather antiquated word, and one that's been injected with so much hyperbolic meaning and stigma over the years that it is now almost entirely devoid of any actual, useful meaning. Traditionally, using the term "racist" in describing a person, action, or statement implies intent, or belief in a racial hierarchy, or belief in the superiority of one race over another. These are the objective criteria standardly utilized in labeling something or someone as being "racist." But at this point in time, in contemporary society, there are relatively few people (especially compared to how things were in the mid-to-late 20th century) who actually believe in the aforementioned kinds of objectively-racist systems of thought. Micronesia had a great blog about this a while back http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=216283. I think it's worth a read for anyone who has trouble understanding or accepting what actually constitutes "racism." | ||
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corumjhaelen
France6884 Posts
Because of the way it is written. There are way nicer ways to say that kind of thing. This post is just flaming and insulting. I don't understand the people defending it. | ||
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Charger
United States2405 Posts
Tough spot for EG, they weren't left with many options. I support their decision and I think it's for the greater good of the scene. Being in a 'community leadership' role comes with a lot responsibility, whether the person in that position wants it or not. It's no different in the real world and real sports. I hope people can take away from this that if we want to be taken seriously and we want esports to grow, we ALL have to be better. We have to tone down the crazy mob mentality and have good and upstanding community figures and members. Whether you agree that orb fucked up or not or that he did or did not deserve to be fired, this kind of behavior is bad for business and the scene. That is not arguable. The people with the money to grow this thing won't tolerate this kind of thing at all (see this incident for example). So, like I said, if you want esports and gaming to be taken seriously and to grow to where we all want and dream, we have to do better. | ||
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compucomp
United States98 Posts
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Slapshot
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mrGRAPE
Singapore293 Posts
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JiYan
United States3668 Posts
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