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Alex is verbose, and you owe it to yourself (and the rest of us) to read the statement in its entirety. Remember, when making comments/claims to provide proper evidence, facts etc. Arguments based on incorrect assumptions, facts and straw men, will be dealt with swiftly. If in doubt, PM a mod or ask IRC. Do NOT spread misinformation, when in doubt, check your sources.

In short, be smart.

Alex comments on Idra:


Orbs Statement: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=319038

Personal attacks against other posters in this thread will be met with a ban -- 14:20 KST
xHassassin
Profile Joined November 2010
United States270 Posts
March 09 2012 04:47 GMT
#621
This seems pretty ridiculous. What orb does in his free time shouldn't affect his job. You wouldn't fire a programmer because he got in a fight in a supermarket. Orb was playing on ladder. Unless he was specifically representing EG at the time it really shouldn't cause him to get fired. Even then, he should have been given the chance to change before letting him go.
Chill
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
Calgary25980 Posts
March 09 2012 04:47 GMT
#622
On March 09 2012 13:40 RJGooner wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 09 2012 13:34 Chill wrote:
Ugh. My head is just empty. What a dumb situation.


Could you elaborate a bit more Chill? I'd be interested to hear your views on the situation.

It's just dumb.

Orb shouldn't be raging and using slurs. Orb shouldn't have said anything and definitely shouldn't have lied. EG also shouldn't have done anything.

Two days later, everyone would have forgotten. The people who declared they were boycotting EG would likely have kept doing what they were doing previous to this situation.

Orb deserved a public shaming and a stern talking to from EG. Not this.

And I think above all, people don't realize how much they can shape someone's life. The people who organized this situation are now going to keep doing what they're doing while Orb tries to rearrange his real life. I appreciate that he should have to take responsibility for his actions, but he didn't deserve this.

As I've said before - keep burning your volunteers and soon you're going to find that you don't have any more.
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SerafeimSC
Profile Joined September 2011
98 Posts
March 09 2012 04:47 GMT
#623
Cannot read this anymore.... Getting way to immature and stupid. same valid points over and over again. Quite frankly pissing me off. I disagree with EG, will they see this... probably not. One thing they did do was bump Orbs stream... Because I know I'll be on there alot now. :D

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greyconnect
Profile Joined June 2011
39 Posts
March 09 2012 04:47 GMT
#624
Interesting precedent being set here.

Also, this series of events/posts seems to have really happened very rapidly (or maybe I'm not observant).
MountainDewJunkie
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States10341 Posts
March 09 2012 04:47 GMT
#625
I noticed that the attitude that excuses using words like faggot show the lack of empathy many people have, or represent how the anonymity of the internet is supposed to be some kind of safe-haven for racists and homophobes.

Yes, I watched that South park episode, too, but just one more reason people are getting dumber is the constant manipulation of words and meaning in the English language. Popular usage (meaning, incorrect usage that is widely accepted, typically) softens meaning and rewrites intent. Nigger means today what it did yesterday. Amazing that some black people even accept being called that, regardless of intent of use. It's like by people active attempt to defuse the word nigger, we are indirectly attempting to bury a piece America's ugly, disgusting past.

You can't have it both ways. You can't use harsh language for dramatic affect and then downplay their meaning when you're called out.

And to the person who said, "lots of people say nigger." Who, exactly? Who of sound, fair mind actively uses the word nigger? Whether he uses it online or to describe black people, or that's what he calls his bow of cereal, it doesn't matter. It's not useful, nor has the original meaning changed.

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Zaros
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom3692 Posts
March 09 2012 04:47 GMT
#626
On March 09 2012 13:46 Silvertine wrote:
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On March 09 2012 13:45 Zaros wrote:
On March 09 2012 13:43 Razuik wrote:
On March 09 2012 13:39 Nick! wrote:
On March 09 2012 13:36 motbob wrote:
How are the people in this thread comparing Idra's profanity to Orb's? How are the two situations even remotely the same? The word "nigger" is an automatic career-ender for a public figure in almost all situations of use. The word "faggot" is not.


I'm sorry but that is complete shit, for example...if you are having a chat with your boss and you work in an office...say something like ''oh yeah he was acting like a complete faggot/nigger''...he will take it as it is, he will either not mention it all OR
he will say something along the lines of oh i dont appreciate you using that language around me. Example 2 which is closer to what a caster is, Basketball (first sport that came to my head) if the commentators say oh wow kobe's acting like a real nigger/faggot you really think he would be fine with faggot but not nigger? Get your head out EG's ass.

User was temp banned for this post.

The N----- has a lot more history to it than the word F-----


I doubt it has, pretty sure people were burning gays before the word nigger ever came into existence.

Learn to read. He said the word, not homophobia altogether.


learn history faggots were the bundle of sticks used to burn people.
motbob
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States12546 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-09 04:49:07
March 09 2012 04:47 GMT
#627
On March 09 2012 13:39 Nick! wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 09 2012 13:36 motbob wrote:
How are the people in this thread comparing Idra's profanity to Orb's? How are the two situations even remotely the same? The word "nigger" is an automatic career-ender for a public figure in almost all situations of use. The word "faggot" is not.


I'm sorry but that is complete shit, for example...if you are having a chat with your boss and you work in an office...say something like ''oh yeah he was acting like a complete faggot/nigger''...he will take it as it is, he will either not mention it all OR
he will say something along the lines of oh i dont appreciate you using that language around me. Example 2 which is closer to what a caster is, Basketball (first sport that came to my head) if the commentators say oh wow kobe's acting like a real nigger/faggot you really think he would be fine with faggot but not nigger? Get your head out EG's ass.

User was temp banned for this post.

Let me use a counter- counter-example, a real world example. Way back in beta, Orb was defeatured for saying the word "nigger" while streaming, if I recall correctly. Yet that has never happened for people who've used the word "faggot" to my knowledge, nor do I recall that option ever being discussed. There is a double-standard there. The two words are not equivalent in the public eye.

In addition, Orb and Idra are at different levels of being a "public figure." You used the example of a sports broadcaster. Obviously if a sports commentator used either the n-word or f-word, they would be fired immediately. If an NFL player used the word "faggot," what would happen to him? Would he be fired?
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Zzoram
Profile Joined February 2008
Canada7115 Posts
March 09 2012 04:48 GMT
#628
On March 09 2012 13:44 SeRenExZerg wrote:
people who get offended by a word are not the kind of people i would want to be around anyway, that is the most self-righteous thing i have ever heard.

I like orb, and his casting isn't shabby. hopefully he does well in the future.


Start saying "nigger" in public and at work and see how many people you'll have left around you.
TheRhox
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada868 Posts
March 09 2012 04:48 GMT
#629
The worst thing people could have done is contact EGs sponsors and complain about this, honestly I can't believe this "community" sometimes, we all want to try to grow esports and people do stupid shit like that..
SaroVati
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada280 Posts
March 09 2012 04:48 GMT
#630
Although I agree it shouldn't be tolerated, this is quite overboard. Like jesus, I don't think Orb needed to tell them "hey guys, check my history to make sure we're good here". It's to my understanding he had to go to the EG Lair, and now has to depart just a week after? I hope to dear god they are paying for his ticket back home, because getting fired for something that hasn't happened recently after getting his contract with EG seems ridiculous to me...
ExO_
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States2316 Posts
March 09 2012 04:48 GMT
#631
EG here is damned if they do, damned if they don't. I personally don't agree with the firing of orb, but at the same time I cannot support orb's actions and comments (particularly the lying after he was caught). Just a bad situation for everybody with no easy solution.
viticuss
Profile Joined December 2010
United States37 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-09 04:49:31
March 09 2012 04:48 GMT
#632
On March 09 2012 13:40 Troyzilla wrote:
So he was on his personal stream, with no EG overlay or tag, playing personal games, and people freaked out that he used a word commonly used on the internet to illustrate frustration?


It's not illustrative of just frustration. And I don't expect to win people over on this, in truth his post is a bit polemic; those who understand how hateful n---r is will applaud and those who don't will reply with ??? and dissapointment, but he's right to make this decision.

In a broader context, how do you convince someone how hateful the word is? I'm honestly against people using f---t, (Actually, Demuslim used it on stream a couple days ago, made me cringe) but it's still nothing like n----r. Forgive me for not remembering the quote precisely but MLK once said it's those who purport indifference or nuetrality are those who allow stereotypes and racism to perpetuate. People need to understand that a word doesn't simply "go away".

And furthermore, to anyone who thinks that "racism just isn't what it used to be"; racism in the US and more broadly in the world has not gone away at all. A couple quick facts for naysayers: 1 in 3 black males born in the US today will spend some time in jail, there are 250,000 black people in jail for marijuana "crimes" at the moment, in NYC they did a study just in the past year and showed that black people are somthing like (don't quote me but I'm not hyperbolizing) 8x more likely *than white people to be stopped by police officers.

These facts are ubiquitous and undeniable. People need to realize that while overly pendantic political correctness isn't good, to think that in any appreciable sense racism has "gone away" is just not true.

matiK23
Profile Joined May 2011
United States963 Posts
March 09 2012 04:48 GMT
#633
On March 09 2012 13:44 SeRenExZerg wrote:
people who get offended by a word are not the kind of people i would want to be around anyway, that is the most self-righteous thing i have ever heard.

I like orb, and his casting isn't shabby. hopefully he does well in the future.


Yea because you've never been hurt by words. Stop being a hypocrite.
Without a paddle up shit creek.
ClysmiC
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States2192 Posts
March 09 2012 04:48 GMT
#634
I think it's really important to point out that racism today is not what it once was; not in the sense that it is any less widespread, or that it has any less of an impact on people's lives, but rather, in the sense that it functions very differently today compared to how it functioned twenty, thirty, forty, or more, years ago.

Take, for example, the term "racist," which I think is a rather antiquated word, and one that's been injected with so much hyperbolic meaning and stigma over the years that it is now almost entirely devoid of any actual, useful meaning. Traditionally, using the term "racist" in describing a person, action, or statement implies intent, or belief in a racial hierarchy, or belief in the superiority of one race over another. These are the objective criteria standardly utilized in labeling something or someone as being "racist."

But at this point in time, in contemporary society, there are relatively few people (especially compared to how things were in the mid-to-late 20th century) who actually believe in the aforementioned kinds of objectively-racist systems of thought.


Micronesia had a great blog about this a while back http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=216283. I think it's worth a read for anyone who has trouble understanding or accepting what actually constitutes "racism."
corumjhaelen
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
France6884 Posts
March 09 2012 04:48 GMT
#635
On March 09 2012 13:46 Megabust wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 09 2012 13:40 Kodak wrote:
On March 09 2012 13:23 Stark1 wrote:
- paragraphs upon paragraphs of self-aggrandizing monologue (no one cares if you took Black Studies, really)
- Orb said nigger on air, got fired (okay, now we know why we're reading this)
- continued bout of literary diarrhea, more needless self-referential bullshit
- begging people not to complain to sponsors despite deserving the backlash that occurred (really, who doesn't know Orb's reputation by now; you signed off on his behaviour when he was given the job)
- check to see what kind of narcissist could have written this
- Alex Garfield

I'm not surprised at all; leave it to an entitled silver-spoon douchebag to make a business announcement into a mass of PC intellectual masturbation. Seriously, all this needed to be was a few paragraphs of "Orb did something unacceptable, so we fired him. Sorry to all and enjoy the rest of our event, P.S. please stop sending complaints to our sponsors now."

User was banned for this post.


Why was he banned for this? Just curious.



Agree with everything here.

Because of the way it is written. There are way nicer ways to say that kind of thing.
This post is just flaming and insulting. I don't understand the people defending it.
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Charger
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States2405 Posts
March 09 2012 04:48 GMT
#636
This was an unfortunate incident. Orb is a good caster, I hope he can get over this quickly and do better in the future. Best of luck.

Tough spot for EG, they weren't left with many options. I support their decision and I think it's for the greater good of the scene. Being in a 'community leadership' role comes with a lot responsibility, whether the person in that position wants it or not. It's no different in the real world and real sports.

I hope people can take away from this that if we want to be taken seriously and we want esports to grow, we ALL have to be better. We have to tone down the crazy mob mentality and have good and upstanding community figures and members.

Whether you agree that orb fucked up or not or that he did or did not deserve to be fired, this kind of behavior is bad for business and the scene. That is not arguable. The people with the money to grow this thing won't tolerate this kind of thing at all (see this incident for example). So, like I said, if you want esports and gaming to be taken seriously and to grow to where we all want and dream, we have to do better.
It's easy to be a Monday morning quarterback.
compucomp
Profile Joined July 2011
United States98 Posts
March 09 2012 04:48 GMT
#637
For the people who don't think what orb said was bad, doubt how strong the term nigger still is, or think this is some silly witch hunt, think about Rush Limbaugh. He has called Democrats just about any derogatory name he can think of. He just called a woman a slut for advocating a policy position he disagrees with. But I can recall no instance when he said nigger on the record, even though he's said many things that are, shall we say, not positive towards black people. If Rush Limbaugh believes that he can't say nigger and get away with it, this word must be really quite bad. Orb needed to fall on his sword quite hard to get out of this, and he didn't.
Slapshot
Profile Joined January 2012
95 Posts
March 09 2012 04:49 GMT
#638
This is sad to read. I really loathe all the dramaqueens who took the time to complain to sponsors in order to ruin someones career. I also think these nice words can't cover up the fact that this is a purely financially motivated and pretty hyprocrite (considering Idra's use of the word faggot) decision which is understandable but certainly not admirable.
mrGRAPE
Profile Joined November 2011
Singapore293 Posts
March 09 2012 04:49 GMT
#639
Pretty sure he got fired not just because of the choice of words he used, but because of his immaturity in realizing what he could have potentially done and instead deciding to skirt and push the responsibility to someone else.
Starcraft 2 and eSports enthusiast. https://twitter.com/#!/mrGRAPETV | http://mrgrapetv.wordpress.com/
JiYan
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States3668 Posts
March 09 2012 04:49 GMT
#640
a sincere thank you, alex
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