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On March 07 2012 22:27 Noobity wrote:
I don't get the "omg stop her!" mentality here. She's insulted and hurt that she was told one thing, and something drastically different happened. If anything this kind of response gets an emotional person like me more on her/slayers side. She's been stabbed in the back. She doesn't seem miffed at Sleep/Golden because they told her "hey, we're going to go looking for a foreign team" which was up front and honest. If you've ever felt stabbed in the back you should be able to understand the situation.
He's joining a new team.....not murdering her first born after she let him sleep in the house.
I think people are also overreacting to her tweets.
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On March 07 2012 22:27 Noobity wrote:
I don't get the "omg stop her!" mentality here. She's insulted and hurt that she was told one thing, and something drastically different happened. If anything this kind of response gets an emotional person like me more on her/slayers side. She's been stabbed in the back. She doesn't seem miffed at Sleep/Golden because they told her "hey, we're going to go looking for a foreign team" which was up front and honest. If you've ever felt stabbed in the back you should be able to understand the situation.
How was she stabbed ?
On March 07 2012 21:52 StatorFlux wrote:
I am not going to argue one way or the other but I am pretty sure Dragon's move can be explained as:
1. He was B-team in SlayerS and only got one month in the training house (in recent times at least).
2. Then SlayerS started collaborating with EG which probably reduced the available spots for the B-teamers.
3. Dragon work for a living and can't keep up with SlayerS training regime, so he quits and looks for a team with a more relaxed schedule OR somewhere where he can live in a teamhouse.
4. He gets an opportunity with Millenium.
Dragon saw a good opportunity, and he took it. If he had stopped SC2, he would probably have a shitty job. Here he can get a name and be recognize for his skill.
People should forgive him seriously. He's not like Deezer, he's not a BM, he's very funny, respectful and funny to watch.
Be happy for him, and if it's to hard for you, ignore him but please, STOP BASHING HIM, I think he was enough punished for what he had done.
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On March 07 2012 22:24 Gackt_ wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2012 22:22 Fubi wrote:On March 07 2012 22:19 Faust852 wrote:
Jessica is the one who gives bad reputation to Slayers with her useless dramas. Except that most of the Korean community don't see this as bad rep, and even here in the foreign community, you see a lot of people supporting her. Oh, and did I mention Slayers won the most popular team award last year? so you think what she is doing when she is calling out ex-teamplayers on twitter and insulting them is alright? Is that how you make sure the team gets a good reputation?
It's definitely not hurting their reputation, as I have explained in my last post
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[Yeah, European culture used to be all about honor and tradition and respecting authority too. And that culminated in millions upon millions of people marched into trenches to die for "honor and loyalty" in the name of King and country.
Just because something is cultural doesn't make it right and immune to criticism.
European culture has at no point in history been even close to being similar to eastern cultures.
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On March 07 2012 22:37 Fubi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2012 22:24 Gackt_ wrote:On March 07 2012 22:22 Fubi wrote:On March 07 2012 22:19 Faust852 wrote:
Jessica is the one who gives bad reputation to Slayers with her useless dramas. Except that most of the Korean community don't see this as bad rep, and even here in the foreign community, you see a lot of people supporting her. Oh, and did I mention Slayers won the most popular team award last year? so you think what she is doing when she is calling out ex-teamplayers on twitter and insulting them is alright? Is that how you make sure the team gets a good reputation? It's definitely not hurting their reputation, as I have explained in my last post
As I explained in my previous post, she is indirectly hurting their reputation.
Think about it.
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On March 07 2012 20:51 yeint wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2012 20:39 ChriS-X wrote:
and i would say that jessica has earnt it from what she has sacrificed to help the team, not to mention how the rest of the players in the team look up to her and boxer as their big brother and sister.
besides, you are trying to view this from a western point of view. in an eastern context, especially in korea, the culture there has already dictated that since they are your elders, you need to respect them, more so if it's your team manager.
the way progaming teams in korea work is probably very different and alien to most people outside their culture, add to that the traditional korean cultural view, it would be very dissimilar to the workings of a normal job I'm sorry, but that seems like a very convenient "cultural context" for people who make lucrative sponsorship and endorsement deals, and a very shitty "cultural context" for people who get whatever trickles down.It's not all that different the "work ethic" horseshit they peddle in the US, so it's not necessarily an East/West thing. I am not viewing this from a western perspective, I am viewing this from a modern liberal democracy perspective. If progaming takes off in India, should we also be respectful of the caste system?
So much this. For all those crying "it's a family", I don't know how your parents raised you, but the expectations of Korean team managers with regard to their players seem more in line with a master-slave relationship than a parent-child one.
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Anybody else see a parallel between what the Cavs owner did when Lebron left and this? It was almost universal that how Lebron handled his situation was wrong, but then when the owner publicly makes a statement that crapped all over him everyone said they could understand why nobody would ever want to play for him. Why would you want to play under someone like Jessica, or any team shes affiliated with, when this happens over and over?
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Jessica has the right to be upset and say it out loud, but I cannot agree on the way she did it.
She should have just pointed out that Dragon promised to her to never play professionally again and left for the fans to judge.
Kinda like Lukaschenko told the German foreign minister that he'd rather be a tyrant, than gay,
and to which the German minister just shrugged it off saying that such a statement judges itself.
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Every time any incident happens to SlayerS, Jessica seems to freak out and chuck all her toys out of the pram. I can't blame Dragon for wanting to make a speedy exit before he got thrown in the dungeon with CoCa
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Dragon is not a big of a deal. Don't make dramas around him.
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On March 07 2012 22:37 Fubi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2012 22:24 Gackt_ wrote:On March 07 2012 22:22 Fubi wrote:On March 07 2012 22:19 Faust852 wrote:
Jessica is the one who gives bad reputation to Slayers with her useless dramas. Except that most of the Korean community don't see this as bad rep, and even here in the foreign community, you see a lot of people supporting her. Oh, and did I mention Slayers won the most popular team award last year? so you think what she is doing when she is calling out ex-teamplayers on twitter and insulting them is alright? Is that how you make sure the team gets a good reputation? It's definitely not hurting their reputation, as I have explained in my last post
Because you explained it, it's definitely true, right?
I lost respect even more for her. Most post in the thread is against what she said.
So, obviously, that is hurting their reputation. The real question is more like if it hurted it a little bit or a lot.
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I don't think dragon wanted to lie entirely. I think that from the way jessica handles these things he was just afraid of her >.>. But He should have just been honest with Slayers from the start
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jessica aka nonfactor goes angry?
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Oh man, Jessica my dear, what have you done?
This is a PR problem, if she had an issue with this she should have contacted him personally, instead she chose to call him out on twitter.
As a business operator this is not a good decision.
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When will people stop defending Dragon? He has stream cheated, exploited on ladder, lied about quitting as a pro gamer, and now this. Only becase he's korean and has an entertaining stream he gets special treatment?
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On March 07 2012 23:03 Odal wrote:
When will people stop defending Dragon? He has stream cheated, exploited on ladder, lied about quitting as a pro gamer, and now this. Only becase he's korean and has an entertaining stream he gets special treatment?
Regardless of what he's done in the past, the problem is how Jessica is handling the situation.
From a PR perspective you NEVER call out a former employee after they've left, ever.
I'd fire anyone on my PR team for pulling a stunt like this. You never let your emotions take over to this extent publicly.
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I agree with her, Dragon doesn't seem like the sort of guy you'd want on a sponsored team.
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On March 07 2012 22:52 Xalorian wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2012 22:37 Fubi wrote:On March 07 2012 22:24 Gackt_ wrote:On March 07 2012 22:22 Fubi wrote:On March 07 2012 22:19 Faust852 wrote:
Jessica is the one who gives bad reputation to Slayers with her useless dramas. Except that most of the Korean community don't see this as bad rep, and even here in the foreign community, you see a lot of people supporting her. Oh, and did I mention Slayers won the most popular team award last year? so you think what she is doing when she is calling out ex-teamplayers on twitter and insulting them is alright? Is that how you make sure the team gets a good reputation? It's definitely not hurting their reputation, as I have explained in my last post Because you explained it, it's definitely true, right? I lost respect even more for her. Most post in the thread is against what she said. So, obviously, that is hurting their reputation. The real question is more like if it hurted it a little bit or a lot.
It's always the vocal minority that speaks up, so it's natural to have a lot of posts in this particular thread against what she said. But fact is, even in this thread there are a lot of people defending her; and I'm sure even more people who just don't care or unaffected to post. And it is true that the korean community didn't see this as a negative PR thing.
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For people saying that she needs to stop and its a PR disaster I think we all need to remember this is her personal twitter account. And while she posts some things in English to help her practice and so foreign fans know whats up on the team she has the right to post her opinion on her own twitter.
But I do feel bad for SlayerS as a team if Dragon didn't even explain to them directly when he left or anything like that.
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I'm getting so sick of this nonsense to be honest.
This isn't the first time Jessica busts out some top tier histrionics and I doubt it will be the last. It's not just about being emotionally invested in her team, I'm sure there are plenty of managers and coaches who are invested in theirs just as well. It's about behaving like a child and throwing fits in public.
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