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On March 07 2012 22:07 yeint wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2012 21:55 birdmanilikeflying wrote:
Jessica's frustration is understandable from my point of view.
It seems to me from the limited information available that the player who left felt badly about leaving and may not have wanted to tell others, including Jessica, for fear of a negative reaction from them.
If this is the case, it means this player didn't consider the worse consequences which would come from not being honest with people.
This suggests to me that the player is just like me, and doesn't appreciate the work that others put in for their own sake. They don't consider the effort invested in them by those around them (the Slayers team members, in this case), and they only consider what happens to themselves - i.e. they may feel bad for a few days after seeing Jessica sad when they tell her they are leaving. This is in comparison to not feeling bad, at least in the short-term, by avoiding to tell Jessica that they were leaving the team because there was something they didn't like about it, or because there was something that they preferred about another team.
This is commonly called being selfish. It's associated with being brought up by parents who give too much. Which is quite common in SE Asia, I guess.
This is just my hypothesis... The amount of cognitive dissonance in your post makes my brain hurt. Why is it that whenever these "asian values" things come up, it's ALWAYS the assumption that the person in power is utterly blameless, a selfless champion who gave their subordinates their everything? Why is the subordinate ALWAYS assumed to be deceitful and selfish? Why isn't it possible that Jessica is making wild assumptions, and getting offended because she thinks her authority was undermined? Why isn't it possible that Dragon left Slayers to find new opportunities to support himself (as he wasn't receiving any income from Slayers), and then received an offer from Mill?
What is cognitive dissonance? I thought it was a description of a situation where there is a discrepancy between what a person is doing and what a person is thinking, creating a situation where their actions are confusing their thought and thus influencing them - usually adversely.
I'm not very sure about this though. I have only really encountered this term once in a book before.
In any case I am not sure what sort of cognitive dissonance you are talking about.
If I assume you are talking about it as I understand it, then perhaps you are assuming I always assume the person in power is utterly blameless? That I always assume the person with less power to be always deceitful and selfish? That I don't think it is possible that Jessica is making wild assumptions, and getting offended because she thinks her authority was undermined? That it isn't possible that Dragon left Slayers to find new opportunities to support himself?
I don't think like this. I agree with you that these are all possibilities...
...however from the information I gleaned, I had only made a hypothesis based on my life experience.
According to what I "know" of the situation, Jessica has written on Twitter that certain events took place. The translation, assuming it is correct, has allowed people who do not understand written Korean, and who do understand written English, to hear her point of view. She has said that he has lied to her/people about simply playing SC2 as a hobby etc.
MY interpretation of these events is now my hypothesis, based on my life experience. I am Asian, though I am not Korean. I was born in rural Australia and grew up in city Australia. I THINK (I do not know) that this situation has to do with Korean culture, but it also, in EQUAL PARTS, has to do with general personal/social etiquette.
The ideal of respect for elders exists in every culture, albeit probably in non-equal measure. Honesty is something viewed positively in general. Gratitude to ones who think they have done something for you (whether they have actually done anything or not) is an important part of general personal and social etiquette.
Now, I am thinking that even if Slayers did nothing for Dragon at all, he did not show tact in taking his leave from the team in such a way. It would seem to be in his best interests to pursue the path of action that would maintain a good relationship with Slayers, one of the most popular Korean teams, even after leaving.
About his choice of career path, I can see that it was prudent of him to join Mil. The SC2 scene in the "West" is certainly doing significantly better than inside Korea. Financially and for publicity, it is probably a wise move.
Is my hypothesising, yeint, really something to be so looked down upon?
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I definitely agree with Jessica, but it's just an unwise act of passion to go around publicly announcing such things. :/
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Jessica stop responding publicly to these things!
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boxer needs to keep jessica away from twitter stat!
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I don't get what the big deal is. He wasn't participating in GSL/GSTL or any team leagues for SlayerS. He wasn't living in the SlayerS house. Oh well.
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I can't stand all the PR bullshit in the world today, props to Jessica for calling it like it is and letting the fans see inside the business
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On March 07 2012 23:39 Bumblebee wrote:
Has she ever considered that people can change their minds and might not have been lying? Gees...
Exactly. If she really cared about him as much as she's making it seem, she would be congratulating him right now.
Even if he did lie, I've never known a job where you need your bosses blessing to quit. Especially one that isn't paying you.
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As some of the posts here mentioned, there is a huge cultural barrier that most people do not understand so please don't underestimate the problem and blame jessica for her behaviours. As collectivist culture, koreans respect 'group work' or 'family' more so than individual situations. As such, I can understand the emotional stress that Jessica has gone through and it should not be blamed. Please, don't be ignorant guys.
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On March 07 2012 18:07 fighter2_40 wrote:
honestly, maybe at the time dragon didn't really know what he wanted. The news that he's going to mil is surprising to even his fans and people who follow him.
Either way, this is not the way to react to things....
It's pretty common knowledge dragon was not concentrating on his job after he left slayers, in fact I believe he sent out several tweets over the course of a month or two about how he wants a foreigner team. Clearly he went about it in a way that hurt some feelings but yeah, man, Jessica seems to get a wee bit too emotional publically for my tastes. But then again, I don't know e culture as well; most of us don't.
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While Dragon already had a bad reputation, I never associated it to slayers, she is creating dramas again where there was none...
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On March 08 2012 00:50 CopperKat wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2012 23:39 Bumblebee wrote:
Has she ever considered that people can change their minds and might not have been lying? Gees... Exactly. If she really cared about him as much as she's making it seem, she would be congratulating him right now. Even if he did lie, I've never known a job where you need your bosses blessing to quit. Especially one that isn't paying you.
What kind of jobs have you had? The jobs I've worked, it's always been policy (not just common courtesy) to give two weeks' notice and why. The fact that he wasn't bound to SlayerS by money makes it even worse that he would lie about why he would leave. If he really did leave because he wanted to play less and then changed his mind, he could have been nice enough to explain things to his old team instead of letting them hear through public channels. I support SlayerS Jessica.
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I dont think dragon lied because he wanted to get off the SlayerS team. People change their minds all the time
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I'm sad we live in a society where when people show their emotions and feelings people flock to shit on them as drama queens. If Cold-hearted business-like approach is what you want to see, then maybe you shouldn't follow Korean exploits, and just stick to supporting American and European teams.
The worst part is people that come out to say all this is not okay because it hurts the Slayers Team as a business, because it's bad PR. Slayers is doing perfectly fine as a business, and is one of the most popular teams for a reason. That reason mostly being the closeness we feel with the players and staff.
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Doesn't matter what actually happened, she shouldn't be making these types of tweets. Someone should step in if they haven't already.
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Guys, show some respect please.
Jessica can post whatever the crap she wants with twitter. If Jessica represent a negative image to SlayerS team, Golden and Violet won't contact her.
She is an actress, a pretty famous one and also being boxer's GF, do you really think she won't know anything about Public reputation and need to "Take some course in PR training?"
Asia culture values relationship much more than western culture which emphasis on contact conditions.
It hurts me to see how many people here just judging Jessica because they don't understand there is a cultural difference.
They aren't afraid to tell out their thoughts, Naniwa was criticized on twitter as well by Mr Chae as well.
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Could have been avoided if Dragon just talked to Jessica or anyone from SlayerS about his plan. I can understand that Jessica is frustrated that Dragon goes on to join another team after he tells her that he is only going to play as a hobby, Dragon doesn't have a obligation too tell her or anyone from SlayerS of his plans after leaving but is definitely a courtesy that doesn't take a lot of time and is much more respectful for the people in SlayerS rather than hearing about it when Millenium releases their statement.
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I just want to say that SlayerS werent allowing him to compete so leaving to play as a hobby isnt that bad. I think was a cheating scandal that wasnt really mentioned where he was watching a live stream and playing. Afterwards he told the team he wouldnt play in GSL etc.
But if SlayerS were going to allow him to play then that is wrong to blindside them like that, wait i guess its just generally wrong to blindside a person.
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im sure that most of us can agree that Jessica is just a drama queen.... I do get where she's coming from, but tweets have a sense of overly dramatic tone.
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On March 08 2012 00:42 amazingoopah wrote:
boxer needs to keep jessica away from twitter stat!
I don't think he'll have a problem doing that, LOL!!
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I agree with her. Dragon lied about retiring from progaming.
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