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On March 07 2012 18:01 Asha` wrote:
It's not surprising she'd feel a bit hurt by this. They gave a known cheater another chance and even welcomed him into their team house, and he repays them by slinking off under the cover of some flimsy lies to go and find a foreign team who'll pay him for being funny more than for his play =/
Definitely agree. And it's clearly about Dragon.
I also think she needs to be sooo careful with what becomes public though. Is it "acceptable" (professional for her, her team, her sponsors, etc.) for her to be saying such things out in the open? I'm not entirely sure. It could probably have a little more tact if she desperately needed to make a statement, and I really don't think that anyone is going to think any less of SlayerS just because of Dragon anyway >.>
Everything she says is now a reflection on SlayerS. Her opinion- especially when relating to SC2- is part of SlayerS's opinion. She needs to be super careful with her wording in general. She needs to always be on guard with what she says.
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I'm getting a little tired of people saying things like "OMG dragon he was stream cheater, he lied, bla bla bla". When in fact he apologized for the stream cheating, (never admitted to the accusation of map hacking), he didn't lie he said he was taking a break from the sc2 pro scene to get more serious with work and then he changed his mind. Does nobody else see how all of this is completely socially acceptable? Dragon doesn't live in a fantasy world he has to take care of his needs. If joining a foreign team so that he can get paid and live in a team house is what is taking care of his needs then so be it. If a company you joined doesn't offer you better benefits then another company and you feel like you could do better and have the opportunity to YOU WOULD TAKE THAT OTHER JOB!!! Stop living in a dream world where starcraft is the only factor to take into consideration here, this is real life with real life decisions that have to be made. Any other environment this is ok but when it comes to starcraft NOOooOoOoOOoooo. If you want Esports to become a business and become officially recognized by the entire world START TREATING IT LIKE ONE!
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On March 07 2012 23:24 Doomville wrote:
I'm getting a little tired of people saying things like "OMG dragon he was stream cheater, he lied, bla bla bla". When in fact he apologized for the stream cheating, (never admitted to the accusation of map hacking), he didn't lie he said he was taking a break from the sc2 pro scene to get more serious with work and then he changed his mind. Does nobody else see how all of this is completely socially acceptable? Dragon doesn't live in a fantasy world he has to take care of his needs. If joining a foreign team so that he can get paid and live in a team house is what is taking care of his needs then so be it. If a company you joined doesn't offer you better benefits then another company and you feel like you could do better and have the opportunity to YOU WOULD TAKE THAT OTHER JOB!!! Stop living in a dream world where starcraft is the only factor to take into consideration here, this is real life with real life decisions that have to be made. Any other environment this is ok but when it comes to starcraft NOOooOoOoOOoooo. If you want Esports to become a business and become officially recognized by the entire world START TREATING IT LIKE ONE!
Again, pure western mindset, you're really not taking the Korean cultural and their value into consideration.
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On March 07 2012 23:28 Fubi wrote:
Again, pure western mindset, you're really not taking the Korean cultural and their value into consideration.
That may be, but who has the more successful teams business wise right now? You cant say things like "oh thats western mindset" because it INCLUDES the western hemisphere. Everyone needs to stop thinking in terms of korea vs. foreigner and start thinking in terms of Esports vs. everyone else if you wanna make this a real thing. And when you start thinking in those terms you cant just sit there and excuse one side of things and then say that it's acceptable on the other. You decide a firm ground or the Esports foundation is going to crumble from the ground up.
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On March 07 2012 23:28 Fubi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2012 23:24 Doomville wrote:
I'm getting a little tired of people saying things like "OMG dragon he was stream cheater, he lied, bla bla bla". When in fact he apologized for the stream cheating, (never admitted to the accusation of map hacking), he didn't lie he said he was taking a break from the sc2 pro scene to get more serious with work and then he changed his mind. Does nobody else see how all of this is completely socially acceptable? Dragon doesn't live in a fantasy world he has to take care of his needs. If joining a foreign team so that he can get paid and live in a team house is what is taking care of his needs then so be it. If a company you joined doesn't offer you better benefits then another company and you feel like you could do better and have the opportunity to YOU WOULD TAKE THAT OTHER JOB!!! Stop living in a dream world where starcraft is the only factor to take into consideration here, this is real life with real life decisions that have to be made. Any other environment this is ok but when it comes to starcraft NOOooOoOoOOoooo. If you want Esports to become a business and become officially recognized by the entire world START TREATING IT LIKE ONE! Again, pure western mindset, you're really not taking the Korean cultural and their value into consideration.
Why would you? Culture-BS dosn't make things right.
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Has she ever considered that people can change their minds and might not have been lying? Gees...
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On March 07 2012 23:34 KaiserJohan wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2012 23:28 Fubi wrote:On March 07 2012 23:24 Doomville wrote:
I'm getting a little tired of people saying things like "OMG dragon he was stream cheater, he lied, bla bla bla". When in fact he apologized for the stream cheating, (never admitted to the accusation of map hacking), he didn't lie he said he was taking a break from the sc2 pro scene to get more serious with work and then he changed his mind. Does nobody else see how all of this is completely socially acceptable? Dragon doesn't live in a fantasy world he has to take care of his needs. If joining a foreign team so that he can get paid and live in a team house is what is taking care of his needs then so be it. If a company you joined doesn't offer you better benefits then another company and you feel like you could do better and have the opportunity to YOU WOULD TAKE THAT OTHER JOB!!! Stop living in a dream world where starcraft is the only factor to take into consideration here, this is real life with real life decisions that have to be made. Any other environment this is ok but when it comes to starcraft NOOooOoOoOOoooo. If you want Esports to become a business and become officially recognized by the entire world START TREATING IT LIKE ONE! Again, pure western mindset, you're really not taking the Korean cultural and their value into consideration. Why would you? Culture-BS dosn't make things right.
The irony in that post. What defines what is "right" and "wrong" is completely subjective based on morals and values, which can be different for different cultures.
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On March 07 2012 23:31 Doomville wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2012 23:28 Fubi wrote:
Again, pure western mindset, you're really not taking the Korean cultural and their value into consideration. That may be, but who has the more successful teams business wise right now? You cant say things like "oh thats western mindset" because it INCLUDES the western hemisphere. Everyone needs to stop thinking in terms of korea vs. foreigner and start thinking in terms of Esports vs. everyone else if you wanna make this a real thing. And when you start thinking in those terms you cant just sit there and excuse one side of things and then say that it's acceptable on the other. You decide a firm ground or the Esports foundation is going to crumble from the ground up.
putting "western" all into one hat is not really a good thing either. when you talk about western, you pretty much mean the usa, because that is what you know, what you grew up with and what you "perceive" as logical and correct.
Asian cultures tend to be very high context cultures, whereas the USA can be found on the very other side of the continuum. How you express things or American companies express things is not necessarily the right move for a culture so very different from yours. I could very well imagine, that Jessica is afraid of SlayerS losing their face or being hurt in terms of their honour.
However, it is actually quite interesting in my opinion, how openly Jessica is discussing this. And I pereceive her actions as the wrong move too. Just trying to understand her reasons.
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On March 07 2012 23:03 Odal wrote:
When will people stop defending Dragon? He has stream cheated, exploited on ladder, lied about quitting as a pro gamer, and now this. Only becase he's korean and has an entertaining stream he gets special treatment?
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Edit: look the different balances between him and Combatex 
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On March 07 2012 23:31 Doomville wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2012 23:28 Fubi wrote:
Again, pure western mindset, you're really not taking the Korean cultural and their value into consideration. That may be, but who has the more successful teams business wise right now? You cant say things like "oh thats western mindset" because it INCLUDES the western hemisphere. Everyone needs to stop thinking in terms of korea vs. foreigner and start thinking in terms of Esports vs. everyone else if you wanna make this a real thing. And when you start thinking in those terms you cant just sit there and excuse one side of things and then say that it's acceptable on the other. You decide a firm ground or the Esports foundation is going to crumble from the ground up.
I don't know about you, but I clearly see Korea has the bigger foundation for Esport, and has more successful teams; I mean, name one other area in the world that made as big of a esport scene as Korea did for BW;
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Coach Lee - Drama Lord
SlayerS_Jessica - Drama Lady
good job jessica, good job.
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Is this whole bit about Dragon joining mill? Bit confused as to the context
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My hope (because I like dragon) is that he left slayers because he wants to continue playing SC2 at a hobby streaming level, with the occasional foreign tourny. There's a BIG difference between the amount of work the mid tier foreigners and the top players on korean teams put in. My hope is he didn't want to get into that forced 8-12 hour a day of practice and instead play at his own pace, which Millenium would allow him to do, while still supporting him.
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Maybe I am oblivious of the cultural context here, but she comes across as an actual crazy person.
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On March 07 2012 23:39 Bumblebee wrote:
Has she ever considered that people can change their minds and might not have been lying? Gees...
jessica is overdramatic about everything. the irony is that she does it while talking about the importance of slayers' image.
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personally im not making any killing or saving dragon yet. i know people think he's funny. until he actually attends a tournament and shows himself to be anything other than a troll streamer ill wonder why mill. picked him up. and that's not to bash on him for being a troll streamer either; it entertains a lot of people and he's not actually harming the community by doing that. i dont really care.
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On March 07 2012 23:39 Bumblebee wrote:
Has she ever considered that people can change their minds and might not have been lying? Gees...
This was my first thought exactly. You can't really expect someone to never join a team again if they somehow changed their mind.
I don't know that much about korean culture, so this might be how they see things over there. But from my perspective, this makes Jessica come off as a mental person... And this is not the first time time shes done that imo.
Might add i've been a huge SlayerS fanboi ever since they started. But this, and some previous comments by Jessica, is just too much.
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I dated a Korean girl once. Acting like this is really more about attention and trying to win sympathy. Maybe not all Korean girls are like this, but I can only dig from my own personal experience. The whole "how could you do this to me" attitude over something so little is really unbearable.
If I had to think about a Canadian or American acting like this it would be impossible. Think about the part where she says "I'm only concerned about [this guy] doing the same thing to a different team". The typical response is more like... "if you didn't want to be here you could have just say so, good luck on your journey (or f*ck you)"
Then there is the part where she is jumping to the conclusion that he lied. People change their minds all the time. Sometimes better opportunities prop up when you leave a team - opportunities that may not have been options or dreamt about while you are part of Slayers. Maybe he just didn't feel like it was a right fit and found that fit while he was returning to his old life.
I'm not a big fan of Dragon, but this type of attitude is really annoying. Thank god I don't have to deal with it anymore. (The Korean girl and I simply did not work out).
Either way... poor post in general. Why bother posting twitter drama about some girl who is upset about some guy leaving some team.
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I never liked slayers. And she is big part of it.
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She is nothing but a drama queen always trying to stir shit up and trying to make herself look like some innocent victim. Her true character shines through when she says 'You get nothing out of raising people'. Sorry your little investment didn't pay off jessica. rofl. You shouldn't be doing shit like this to get something out of it. Thats just selfish. ;(. And as someone else stated earlier, Its entirely possible that someone changed their mind. She is so quick to make a public accusation its disgusting. She is the one making slayers look bad lol.
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Come on now people.
We all know Jessica is overly dramatic and treats her players like her own children.
Don't parents get mad when their children lie to them?
Sheesh.
Thanks for the translation OP.
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