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No overlapping of orb drama. Keep the two topics separate. People bringing the orb discussion over to this thread will be warned/banned (starting on page 25*).
taitanik
Profile Joined December 2011
Latvia231 Posts
March 07 2012 12:44 GMT
#121
the thing is playing sc2 as a hobby is enough for foreigns so he got an offer hard to turn it down
"the game is over only when you make it over"
XRaDiiX
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Canada1730 Posts
March 07 2012 12:47 GMT
#122
Clash of cultures. I don't necessarily think he should be playing competitively so soon after doing the purported cheating he did. Oh well its not like he shouldn't get a second chance.

Some people just get hurt so bad when someone breaks their trust.
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Badfatpanda
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States9719 Posts
March 07 2012 12:50 GMT
#123
Well, she's definitely brought up a fair amount of suspect content in the past via twitter, and I've never respected her for it, but it seems she means well. Feel kinda sorry for her, but she really needs to chill.
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forSeohyun
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
504 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-07 12:53:13
March 07 2012 12:52 GMT
#124
I am not going to argue one way or the other but I am pretty sure Dragon's move can be explained as:

1. He was B-team in SlayerS and only got one month in the training house (in recent times at least).
2. Then SlayerS started collaborating with EG which probably reduced the available spots for the B-teamers.
3. Dragon work for a living and can't keep up with SlayerS training regime, so he quits and looks for a team with a more relaxed schedule OR somewhere where he can live in a teamhouse.
4. He gets an opportunity with Millenium.
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yeint
Profile Joined May 2011
Estonia2329 Posts
March 07 2012 12:52 GMT
#125
On March 07 2012 21:37 S_SienZ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 07 2012 21:31 Xalorian wrote:
Seriously, I hope that people would stop to talk about everthing publicly. She can feel bad about it, being hurt and all... it's normal. But going on twitter to talk about it is NOT, that's for sure.

Playing the victim publicly, after an internal issue, is making you look silly and petty.

"The people who take his side seem more ridiculous... "

Seriously?

I love SlayerS, but god, someone should tell her to stop using twitter for those shits. She is making all the team look really bad, that's for sure.


It's her PERSONAL twitter. It's pretty much implied she's doing it in her own capacity as an individual.


There is no such thing as a personal twitter for a public person.

Twitter is a PUBLIC service. If you have personal feelings you don't feel like sharing, don't publish them online for the world to see!
Not supporting teams who take robber baron money.
Gackt_
Profile Joined March 2010
335 Posts
March 07 2012 12:54 GMT
#126
I suppose it's a cultural thingy which makes her upset etc.. but tbh even in their culture they need to realize that she cant treat ex-members like this and call them out on twitter.., THIS makes the team SlayerS look bad. It's her own fault basically. Ignorant person Imo.
birdmanilikeflying
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Australia22 Posts
March 07 2012 12:55 GMT
#127
On March 07 2012 17:05 .Sic. wrote:
Before people start taking sides based on her English tweets, I'd like to translate her Korean tweets so that people don't misunderstand her or jump to conclusions.

Slayers_Jessica:
스타2를 취미로 할거라고 팀탈퇴하더니.. 새로운 팀으로 가네..쩝
타팀에 간다고 못가게 한적도 없고..다른 선수들은 본인의 의사를 정확히 말하고 팀이적했는데.. 그 선수들이랑 참 비교된다.응? 거짓말하는 건 좀 좋지 않은데?? 간다고 안막는단다... 거짓말하는게 참 기분이 나쁘구나..다른데가서는 그러지마라 응? 우리팀 출신이라고 자랑스럽게 얘기도 하지마렴.. 난 너처럼 거짓말하는 선수가 우리팀에 잇엇다는 게 부끄럽다. 갈수록 실망주는 사람들이 느는구나..이래서 키워봐야 소용없단 말이 맞는건가? 내가 왜 이러고있지?
http://twtkr.olleh.com/view.php?long_id=L10NjE

He said he'd play sc2 as a hobby but he joins a new team.
We never stopped anyone from joining different teams, and other players directly state their intentions and leave the team... he's really incomparable to those players huh? It's not good to lie?? We don't stop people from leaving, so the fact that you lied really hurts my feelings. Don't do that on the other teams please? Don't be proud of your Slayers roots... The fact that we had a liar like you on the team is embarrassing. As time goes on, more people are starting to dissapoint.. maybe this is why there's a saying "you get nothing out of raising people"? Why am I doing this?

xSixSleep:
@Slayers_Jessica ㅠㅠ기사랑 다르길래뭐지 싶엇어요...

(sad crying face) it was different from the article so I was wondering what it was

SlayersJessica:
@xSixSleep
누구 말하는지 알지? 너나 명환이 같이 사실도 말하지 못하고 거짓말이나 하는 겁쟁이같으니라고....난 저런애들이 싫다.. 저런 애들을 내 새끼라고 키운 내가 미친게지...

You know who I am talking about right? He couldn't tell the truth like you or myung hwan (golden) and lied like a coward... I don't like kids like that... I was crazy for raising kids like them as if they were my own children.

xSixSleep:
@Slayers_Jessica ㅠㅠㅠㅠ

(crying face again)

Slayers_Jessica:
사실 팀탈퇴도 본인이 자기트윗에 떡하니 올려서 탈퇴햇다고 해서 나도 그때서야알았다는거지. 말도없이 탈퇴하고 이유를 물으니 취미로 하고 직장복귀한다길래 그러라 했더니..

I found out that he left Slayers only after reading his post on twitter. He left without saying a word to me so I asked him why, and he said that he wanted to play sc2 as a hobby and go back to his job.

Empire_Violet:
@SlayerS_Jessica 소식들었어여 ㅠㅠ 뒤통수맞은기분이시겠어여 .. 노여움푸시와요..

I heard the news, it must be like getting hit in the back of your head... please let go of your anger..

Slayers_Jessica:
@Empire_viOLet 그걸 편드는애들이 더웃겨 ... 질투하냐는 말에 개뿜었다. 거기가서도 또 그런짓하면 우리팀 욕먹을까 무섭다 설마 거기선 안그러겠지? 인기관리하려면말야.

The people who take his side seem more ridiculous... It was ridiculous when someone asked me if I was jealous. I am scared that he'll pull the same thing on the new team and give Slayers a bad rep. He won't do that right? He's got popularity to retain?

EDIT: mistranslation on the 3rd tweet, I'd like to apologize for that it was a confusing construction and I misread it.



Jessica's frustration is understandable from my point of view.

It seems to me from the limited information available that the player who left felt badly about leaving and may not have wanted to tell others, including Jessica, for fear of a negative reaction from them.

If this is the case, it means this player didn't consider the worse consequences which would come from not being honest with people.

This suggests to me that the player is just like me, and doesn't appreciate the work that others put in for their own sake. They don't consider the effort invested in them by those around them (the Slayers team members, in this case), and they only consider what happens to themselves - i.e. they may feel bad for a few days after seeing Jessica sad when they tell her they are leaving. This is in comparison to not feeling bad, at least in the short-term, by avoiding to tell Jessica that they were leaving the team because there was something they didn't like about it, or because there was something that they preferred about another team.

This is commonly called being selfish. It's associated with being brought up by parents who give too much. Which is quite common in SE Asia, I guess.

This is just my hypothesis...
There. Not there, THERE.
yeint
Profile Joined May 2011
Estonia2329 Posts
March 07 2012 12:55 GMT
#128
On March 07 2012 21:41 ShatterZer0 wrote:
EH, she had emotional capital in them...


And a child has emotional capital in the toy their parents refused to buy them.

It seems pretty far-fetched that she had a deep, personal relationship with Dragon. It seems highly likely that she feels slighted and disrespected as the boss.
Not supporting teams who take robber baron money.
TheChairman
Profile Joined May 2011
United States46 Posts
March 07 2012 12:57 GMT
#129
Didn't Dragon tweet in like January that he was looking for a team? Why is this just coming out now?
babarossa
Profile Joined February 2011
Australia13 Posts
March 07 2012 12:58 GMT
#130
Well, what does she expect to hear from Dragon? Even I can see he's not gonna play any pro tournament while he's in Slayers. It's actually nice of him to ask for leave in a way that doesn't hurt her feelings. If Slayers really cared, they would make a effort to make him happy on the team. Well, now he's gone, and he found a team that accomodates him AFTER he left Slayers. And this is not like he left on monday and found a team on tuesday. It was actually weeks before Dragon was picked up by Millenium. And what does Jessica do? Smear it all over the internet. It's bloody petty that's what it is.
Taiko88
Profile Joined February 2012
Canada14 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-07 13:04:58
March 07 2012 12:58 GMT
#131
Sigh.... Every time it looks like Dragon will finally be able to enjoy his happiness, something always screws with him. Whether it be his cheating past (which is his fault), Katu, Jessica....

I just want to make this clear, I asked Dragon a while ago why he left in chat, this was before he really took off with popularity, he said he couldn't make the team house, and that, from my understanding, there were way too many good players on SlayerS for him to even remotely have a chance at making even the B team never mind A team.

Now, one can always come to assumptions of his reason for leaving, was he really looking for another team at the time, was he indecisive, or did he lie because he didn't want to hurt the feelings of a team that gave him, essentially, a second chance. We'll never know.

I understand lying is a big aspect of Korean culture, but I also think representing SlayerS in any way, you should not be making private things public, no matter how angry you are, as that negatively affects not only your image, but the image of your team as well - even though you aren't representing them because it's your personal twitter.

Side note: The tweet of him looking for a team is months old, and it was well known he was looking for a team, why this is being brought up now, I have no idea.

Another note: I'm a Dragon fan, and I think both parties should be accountable for what has gone down. In terms of Dragon lying about his future intentions, and Jessica making a huge drama over his true reasons for leaving SlayerS.
nagual
Profile Joined December 2011
Ukraine70 Posts
March 07 2012 13:02 GMT
#132
Shes bitching hard, in fact: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Han_(cultural) (via reddit)
~~SlayerS
yeint
Profile Joined May 2011
Estonia2329 Posts
March 07 2012 13:07 GMT
#133
On March 07 2012 21:55 birdmanilikeflying wrote:
Jessica's frustration is understandable from my point of view.

It seems to me from the limited information available that the player who left felt badly about leaving and may not have wanted to tell others, including Jessica, for fear of a negative reaction from them.

If this is the case, it means this player didn't consider the worse consequences which would come from not being honest with people.

This suggests to me that the player is just like me, and doesn't appreciate the work that others put in for their own sake. They don't consider the effort invested in them by those around them (the Slayers team members, in this case), and they only consider what happens to themselves - i.e. they may feel bad for a few days after seeing Jessica sad when they tell her they are leaving. This is in comparison to not feeling bad, at least in the short-term, by avoiding to tell Jessica that they were leaving the team because there was something they didn't like about it, or because there was something that they preferred about another team.

This is commonly called being selfish. It's associated with being brought up by parents who give too much. Which is quite common in SE Asia, I guess.

This is just my hypothesis...


The amount of cognitive dissonance in your post makes my brain hurt. Why is it that whenever these "asian values" things come up, it's ALWAYS the assumption that the person in power is utterly blameless, a selfless champion who gave their subordinates their everything? Why is the subordinate ALWAYS assumed to be deceitful and selfish?

Why isn't it possible that Jessica is making wild assumptions, and getting offended because she thinks her authority was undermined? Why isn't it possible that Dragon left Slayers to find new opportunities to support himself (as he wasn't receiving any income from Slayers), and then received an offer from Mill?
Not supporting teams who take robber baron money.
Saiton
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Sweden467 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-07 13:20:14
March 07 2012 13:15 GMT
#134
On March 07 2012 21:57 TheChairman wrote:
Didn't Dragon tweet in like January that he was looking for a team? Why is this just coming out now?


He did, and i completely agree.
Also, this sounds alot like Jessica is forbidding him from ever joining a new team and abandoning all dreams of playing SC2 professionally because there's a chance Dragon pulls another Dragon and SlayerS gets bad reputation because of it.

Did i get it right?
Edit: Why is she arguing over Twitter when this is clearly an internal discussion between Dragon, Slayers and Millenium?
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Faust852
Profile Joined February 2012
Luxembourg4004 Posts
March 07 2012 13:19 GMT
#135
Jessica is the one who gives bad reputation to Slayers with her useless dramas.
Fubi
Profile Joined March 2011
2228 Posts
March 07 2012 13:22 GMT
#136
On March 07 2012 22:19 Faust852 wrote:
Jessica is the one who gives bad reputation to Slayers with her useless dramas.

Except that most of the Korean community don't see this as bad rep, and even here in the foreign community, you see a lot of people supporting her. Oh, and did I mention Slayers won the most popular team award last year?
Gackt_
Profile Joined March 2010
335 Posts
March 07 2012 13:24 GMT
#137
On March 07 2012 22:22 Fubi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 07 2012 22:19 Faust852 wrote:
Jessica is the one who gives bad reputation to Slayers with her useless dramas.

Except that most of the Korean community don't see this as bad rep, and even here in the foreign community, you see a lot of people supporting her. Oh, and did I mention Slayers won the most popular team award last year?



so you think what she is doing when she is calling out ex-teamplayers on twitter and insulting them is alright? Is that how you make sure the team gets a good reputation?
Noobity
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States871 Posts
March 07 2012 13:27 GMT
#138
I don't get the "omg stop her!" mentality here. She's insulted and hurt that she was told one thing, and something drastically different happened. If anything this kind of response gets an emotional person like me more on her/slayers side. She's been stabbed in the back. She doesn't seem miffed at Sleep/Golden because they told her "hey, we're going to go looking for a foreign team" which was up front and honest. If you've ever felt stabbed in the back you should be able to understand the situation.
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KimJongChill
Profile Joined January 2011
United States6429 Posts
March 07 2012 13:30 GMT
#139
I actually kind of agree with her.
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Kuni
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Austria765 Posts
March 07 2012 13:32 GMT
#140
Seriously, stop this woman from doing PR or anything public for that matter -.-
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