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Sein
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States1811 Posts
March 07 2012 07:08 GMT
#361
The rest of Jessica's tweet says that Dragon never even informed SlayerS about leaving the team. Jessica actually first heard about it when Dragon posted it on his twitter. She asked him why he was quitting, and he supposedly told her that he was planning on playing SC2 just as a hobby, and that he was returning to having a job (not progaming).
The_Unseen
Profile Joined March 2011
France1923 Posts
March 07 2012 07:08 GMT
#362
On March 07 2012 15:57 Tnerb wrote:Thats just the price you pay for having a female in a high stress managerial position.



Are you f-ing serious ? O_O
I got five reasons for you to shut up
Steelo_Rivers
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States1968 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-07 07:12:38
March 07 2012 07:10 GMT
#363
On March 07 2012 16:06 tomatriedes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 07 2012 15:45 AeroEffect wrote:
On March 07 2012 15:31 Mrvoodoochild1 wrote:
On March 07 2012 15:28 NovemberstOrm wrote:
On March 07 2012 09:27 chadissilent wrote:
On March 07 2012 08:45 ShinnHachirou wrote:
This is not a great pickup for Millenium because Dragon is a cheater. It's on par *IF* CombatEx or Deezer were to join EG...it would devalue EG's name, integrity and everything else that they have worked for. Once a cheater always a cheater.

Fully agreed. Dragon is basically a Terran version of Destiny but with a history of lying and cheating.



True except Dragon is actually skilled unlike Destiny who is a scrub ^^

Everyone is saying Dragon is a cheater. Do you know what he did specifically?

Okay here is the just of it. He was "accused" of stream cheating a while back in an online tournament just because he "blindly countered" a players build who was supposed to be superior to him.

So basically he scouted his opponent, killed them, and won. He was then immediately accused of stream cheating and maphacking by the opposing player.

I honestly think its a joke and if I was dragon, I wouldnt have apologized just to get people off of my back. And if dragon really did do it, do you think he would have the balls to attempt to join another team? No. Because dragon is not stupid and knows the consequences.

And as far as him leaving SlayerS with the intentions of going to a foreign team... those weren't his original intentions. He was planning on returning to work. Alot of his fans wanted him to join a foreign team though as he would benefit from it greatly and would more than likely be in the team's Team House (which in this case is millenium) since he wasnt able to get real practice in the SlayerS house. Its the same reason golden and sleep left but no one is bashing them about it.


so chill the fuck out, he's got this


This post is ridiculous- you state a bunch of your opinions as though they're fact. If he said "he was sorry for what he had done" the mostly likely explanation is that he did cheat. You think a pro like TheSTC is just going to make an accusation like that lightly? You think Cella is just going to expel him from Werra for no reason?

Also unless you are a mind reader you don't know what his "original intentions" were when he left Slayers- this is all speculation on your part, and the part about him basing his decisions on what his fans wanted sounds pretty far fetched to me.

The guy deserves a second chance and it's great a foreign team has picked him up but fan boys blindly defending him and lashing out at everyone is just lame.

EDIT: Not going to argue with anyone over "facts and opinions".

To the Op, GLHF DRAGON!! I know you will make the Homofamiry berry proud ^.^
ok
ZooMForYou
Profile Joined September 2011
Singapore56 Posts
March 07 2012 07:11 GMT
#364
love tis dude
Kabooom~ Baby :)
dearyuna
Profile Joined December 2011
United States322 Posts
March 07 2012 07:11 GMT
#365
On March 07 2012 16:08 Sein wrote:
The rest of Jessica's tweet says that Dragon never even informed SlayerS about leaving the team. Jessica actually first heard about it when Dragon posted it on his twitter. She asked him why he was quitting, and he supposedly told her that he was planning on playing SC2 just as a hobby, and that he was returning to having a job (not progaming).


Which is true. Personally if I was a progamer who was about to hang up my coat, and then had a team offer me everything I wanted and more, I would not refuse that. On top of that, for someone like Dragon, being a part of a foreign team could also mean a clean slate with a clean scoreboard to escape his past controversy.

I can vouch for Dragon honestly when I say that he did not go actively searching for Millenium. I talked to Remy personally about having him participate in the MSI Pro Cup to which Remy agreed and set up the offer and everything. Dragon simply accepted. If you think about it, it really is a new chance for him, and I hope you guys support his decision to start over.
@dearyuna Team SCV Life <3
centinel4
Profile Joined April 2011
Austria50 Posts
March 07 2012 07:12 GMT
#366
hopes he has a lot of.... Success! ^-^
Sein
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States1811 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-07 07:14:27
March 07 2012 07:13 GMT
#367
On March 07 2012 15:45 AeroEffect wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 07 2012 15:31 Mrvoodoochild1 wrote:
On March 07 2012 15:28 NovemberstOrm wrote:
On March 07 2012 09:27 chadissilent wrote:
On March 07 2012 08:45 ShinnHachirou wrote:
This is not a great pickup for Millenium because Dragon is a cheater. It's on par *IF* CombatEx or Deezer were to join EG...it would devalue EG's name, integrity and everything else that they have worked for. Once a cheater always a cheater.

Fully agreed. Dragon is basically a Terran version of Destiny but with a history of lying and cheating.



True except Dragon is actually skilled unlike Destiny who is a scrub ^^

Everyone is saying Dragon is a cheater. Do you know what he did specifically?

Okay here is the just of it. He was "accused" of stream cheating a while back in an online tournament just because he "blindly countered" a players build who was supposed to be superior to him.

So basically he scouted his opponent, killed them, and won. He was then immediately accused of stream cheating and maphacking by the opposing player.

I honestly think its a joke and if I was dragon, I wouldnt have apologized just to get people off of my back. And if dragon really did do it, do you think he would have the balls to attempt to join another team? No. Because dragon is not stupid and knows the consequences.

And as far as him leaving SlayerS with the intentions of going to a foreign team... those weren't his original intentions. He was planning on returning to work. Alot of his fans wanted him to join a foreign team though as he would benefit from it greatly and would more than likely be in the team's Team House (which in this case is millenium) since he wasnt able to get real practice in the SlayerS house. Its the same reason golden and sleep left but no one is bashing them about it.


so chill the fuck out, he's got this


I am going to quote my post from another thread:

On February 29 2012 09:37 Sein wrote:

About a few months ago, I started hearing "Dragon never actually admitted to stream-cheating, so it's not a proven fact that he cheated" in the foreign community. I'm not sure where it originated from.

As someone who has closely followed that incident when it happened around a year and a half ago, I can tell you that it is widely accepted in Korea that he did stream cheat. You're going to have a hard time finding someone over there who believes otherwise. And why is that?

1. WeRRa's officially apologized on PlayXP for the "Seo Yeon-Ji/Ear Hacking" (That's what they call stream cheating in Korea) incident. They said that they are very sorry for Mio's wrongdoings and also the fact that the WeRRa members blindly defended him against the accusations before Mio finally admitted it. They said that Mio was kicked out of the clan as his punishment.

2. Mio had said in his apology post that he would never even dream of competing in tournaments, broadcasted matches, or becoming a progamer. However, about a month later, he was on GSL R64 playing against Nestea. After the match, he posted another apology post on PlayXP, saying that he is sorry for not keeping his promise that he made after stream cheating

3. He continued to upload some of his replays on PlayXP, and him vs IdrA was one of those replays. He started that post by saying "Hello. I'm very sorry for stream cheating".

What has not been confirmed is whether or not he was also using maphack. I'm fine with giving the guy a second chance, but people need to stop distorting what happened.


Please stop spreading false information based on your assumptions that he was "joking".
chadissilent
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada1187 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-07 07:19:03
March 07 2012 07:13 GMT
#368
On March 07 2012 15:46 Tnerb wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 07 2012 09:27 chadissilent wrote:
On March 07 2012 08:45 ShinnHachirou wrote:
This is not a great pickup for Millenium because Dragon is a cheater. It's on par *IF* CombatEx or Deezer were to join EG...it would devalue EG's name, integrity and everything else that they have worked for. Once a cheater always a cheater.

Fully agreed. Dragon is basically a Terran version of Destiny but with a history of lying and cheating.


lol all the clash people are so butt hurt because of the katu incident. im sure you arent biased at all are you? lolol

Katu is a caster for our team, you don't think casters are replaceable? Unlike many here, we have members tied to many of these players (look in Taeja or Genius GSL interviews) and are aware of the Dragon situation inside Korea. Let's just say the Koreans look at him much worse than foreigners. Unfortunately, lots of information doesn't go public so the general "Joe Schmoe" just assumes what he thinks is true.
Steelo_Rivers
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States1968 Posts
March 07 2012 07:13 GMT
#369
On March 07 2012 16:11 dearyuna wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 07 2012 16:08 Sein wrote:
The rest of Jessica's tweet says that Dragon never even informed SlayerS about leaving the team. Jessica actually first heard about it when Dragon posted it on his twitter. She asked him why he was quitting, and he supposedly told her that he was planning on playing SC2 just as a hobby, and that he was returning to having a job (not progaming).


Which is true. Personally if I was a progamer who was about to hang up my coat, and then had a team offer me everything I wanted and more, I would not refuse that. On top of that, for someone like Dragon, being a part of a foreign team could also mean a clean slate with a clean scoreboard to escape his past controversy.

I can vouch for Dragon honestly when I say that he did not go actively searching for Millenium. I talked to Remy personally about having him participate in the MSI Pro Cup to which Remy agreed and set up the offer and everything. Dragon simply accepted. If you think about it, it really is a new chance for him, and I hope you guys support his decision to start over.

^^ <3 yuna is a boss. this should go into the OP
ok
Danzo
Profile Joined March 2011
2820 Posts
March 07 2012 07:27 GMT
#370
On March 07 2012 16:06 tomatriedes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 07 2012 15:45 AeroEffect wrote:
On March 07 2012 15:31 Mrvoodoochild1 wrote:
On March 07 2012 15:28 NovemberstOrm wrote:
On March 07 2012 09:27 chadissilent wrote:
On March 07 2012 08:45 ShinnHachirou wrote:
This is not a great pickup for Millenium because Dragon is a cheater. It's on par *IF* CombatEx or Deezer were to join EG...it would devalue EG's name, integrity and everything else that they have worked for. Once a cheater always a cheater.

Fully agreed. Dragon is basically a Terran version of Destiny but with a history of lying and cheating.



True except Dragon is actually skilled unlike Destiny who is a scrub ^^

Everyone is saying Dragon is a cheater. Do you know what he did specifically?

Okay here is the just of it. He was "accused" of stream cheating a while back in an online tournament just because he "blindly countered" a players build who was supposed to be superior to him.

So basically he scouted his opponent, killed them, and won. He was then immediately accused of stream cheating and maphacking by the opposing player.

I honestly think its a joke and if I was dragon, I wouldnt have apologized just to get people off of my back. And if dragon really did do it, do you think he would have the balls to attempt to join another team? No. Because dragon is not stupid and knows the consequences.

And as far as him leaving SlayerS with the intentions of going to a foreign team... those weren't his original intentions. He was planning on returning to work. Alot of his fans wanted him to join a foreign team though as he would benefit from it greatly and would more than likely be in the team's Team House (which in this case is millenium) since he wasnt able to get real practice in the SlayerS house. Its the same reason golden and sleep left but no one is bashing them about it.


so chill the fuck out, he's got this


This post is ridiculous- you state a bunch of your opinions as though they're fact. If he said "he was sorry for what he had done" the mostly likely explanation is that he did cheat. You think a pro like TheSTC is just going to make an accusation like that lightly? You think Cella is just going to expel him from Werra for no reason?

Also unless you are a mind reader you don't know what his "original intentions" were when he left Slayers- this is all speculation on your part, and the part about him basing his decisions on what his fans wanted sounds pretty far fetched to me.

The guy deserves a second chance and it's great a foreign team has picked him up but fan boys blindly defending him and lashing out at everyone is just lame.

Second Chance? You mean third chance. Don't forget about werra.
Getting too old for this..
VirgilSC2
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States6151 Posts
March 07 2012 07:30 GMT
#371
I think it should also be noted that apparently Dragon never had any intention of quitting pro-gaming following the accusations.
Clarity Gaming #1 Fan | Avid MTG Grinder | @VirgilSC2
Silidons
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States2813 Posts
March 07 2012 07:31 GMT
#372
What if he just decided to change his mind and start wanting to play pro again? Is this really that huge of an ordeal that would make you not like the guy?
"God fights on the side with the best artillery." - Napoleon Bonaparte
pbkim
Profile Joined April 2011
United States24 Posts
March 07 2012 07:32 GMT
#373
I'm surprised how people take cheating so lightly... You guys are really the ones debasing the value of esports. I used to work for PlayXP(basically Korean counterpart of team liquid.) and I've witnessed with my two eyes that Dragon made a public apology himself on the community. HE ADMITTED THAT HE DID THE STREAM CHEAT AND THAT HE WOULD NEVER BE A PRO PLAYER AGAIN Dragon, despite his promises, once again played for GSL. Fine, people gave him second chance and let him join Slayers. And Dragon left the team without even notifying Jessica. Later when Jessica asked Dragon, Dragon said "I'm going to find other jobs than pro-gaming". And then he lied again. People, look. You don't get to start over when you make a such mistake. Thanks to Jessica and GomTV, he got his second chance. And now he betrayed not only his fans, but those who gave him the second chance. And we give him third chance after seeing him lying twice? Then you guys are making eSports to be taken even less serious than it is right now.
rkshox
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
Taiwan536 Posts
March 07 2012 07:33 GMT
#374
On March 07 2012 16:08 The_Unseen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 07 2012 15:57 Tnerb wrote:Thats just the price you pay for having a female in a high stress managerial position.



Are you f-ing serious ? O_O


i was going to jump on that comment..but i didn't want to open that door.
@ranleee /// "first we expand, then we defense it'
canikizu
Profile Joined September 2010
4860 Posts
March 07 2012 07:40 GMT
#375
The dude spent most of his time streaming, I don't think that's the way people do to find a job.
Or unless that's his job.
mrGRAPE
Profile Joined November 2011
Singapore293 Posts
March 07 2012 07:43 GMT
#376
On March 07 2012 16:40 canikizu wrote:
The dude spent most of his time streaming, I don't think that's the way people do to find a job.
Or unless that's his job.


Bazinga!
Starcraft 2 and eSports enthusiast. https://twitter.com/#!/mrGRAPETV | http://mrgrapetv.wordpress.com/
pbkim
Profile Joined April 2011
United States24 Posts
March 07 2012 07:44 GMT
#377
On March 07 2012 16:40 canikizu wrote:
The dude spent most of his time streaming, I don't think that's the way people do to find a job.
Or unless that's his job.

EXACTLY
rkshox
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
Taiwan536 Posts
March 07 2012 07:45 GMT
#378
On March 07 2012 16:44 pbkim wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 07 2012 16:40 canikizu wrote:
The dude spent most of his time streaming, I don't think that's the way people do to find a job.
Or unless that's his job.

EXACTLY


On March 07 2012 16:11 dearyuna wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 07 2012 16:08 Sein wrote:
The rest of Jessica's tweet says that Dragon never even informed SlayerS about leaving the team. Jessica actually first heard about it when Dragon posted it on his twitter. She asked him why he was quitting, and he supposedly told her that he was planning on playing SC2 just as a hobby, and that he was returning to having a job (not progaming).


Which is true. Personally if I was a progamer who was about to hang up my coat, and then had a team offer me everything I wanted and more, I would not refuse that. On top of that, for someone like Dragon, being a part of a foreign team could also mean a clean slate with a clean scoreboard to escape his past controversy.

I can vouch for Dragon honestly when I say that he did not go actively searching for Millenium. I talked to Remy personally about having him participate in the MSI Pro Cup to which Remy agreed and set up the offer and everything. Dragon simply accepted. If you think about it, it really is a new chance for him, and I hope you guys support his decision to start over.


READ!
@ranleee /// "first we expand, then we defense it'
dearyuna
Profile Joined December 2011
United States322 Posts
March 07 2012 07:50 GMT
#379
On March 07 2012 16:30 VirgilSC2 wrote:
I think it should also be noted that apparently Dragon never had any intention of quitting pro-gaming following the accusations.


Hi hater<3
I think it should be noted that Dragon announced he was giving a windowframe in which if things didn't work out he was really quitting. Maybe you should read the interview from his recruitment or tune into his stream once in a while. I don't suggest the latter though, considering you're too high and mighty for all that ^^
@dearyuna Team SCV Life <3
Krogan
Profile Joined January 2011
Sweden375 Posts
March 07 2012 07:55 GMT
#380
I actually believe Millenium has one of the strongest none korean line ups so adding a korean is going to do them a lot of good. Millenium seems to be a clan that prefers to put there money on unproven talent rather then those that are really big names.
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