With prominent background as a team manager in WarCraft III. Having worked in RAGE eSports and more recently for the chinese dynamo team EHOME, I believe my experience in eSports goes without saying. I have learned a lot in my eSports "career" including meeting so many people through this great game, but now the time has come to transition that experience into StarCraft II
In October, 2011. Me and my soon-to-be business partner Tom "Dreams" Elkins mutually agreed that there must be more we could do for the community in regards to WarCraft III and StarCraft II. We opened eSports Central Network, an organisation dedicated to providing fun and exciting leagues in both these platforms as well as weekly tournaments with an available prize pool. We also decided to have exclusive shoutcasts of eSports Central Network's "Professional Showmatches"; which involved the highest tier of WarCraft III teams to compete against eachother for the communities enjoyment. After a few successful showmatches however, we still felt like we could make more of an impact on the scene.
It was then in November of 2011, where we decided that it was clear we both were ready to step away from the WarCraft III scene and venture into the thriving scene of StarCraft II. Together, we would start to embark on opening a professional StarCraft II team with a squad that would not only be friendly, and eager to compete; but players who we thought we could build into not only a team, but a family of gamers.
Today, I say with a huge smile that we have achieved our goal, and without further adieu, would like to formally announce the beginning of Did You See That?! Gaming's career as an eSport Team. DuSt Gaming, being the official affiliate gaming squad of eSports Central Network, is composed of a promising group of individuals all with the burning desire to make it to the top. I can personally say that these past few months I've gotten to know each and every player even more and there is no doubt that we all share the same mentality of wanting to place our mark in the StarCraft II community.
The goal for DuSt Gaming is simple. Beat the best, Be the best.
A Korean Terran and GSL Code A competitor, Sia was previously apart of New Star Hoseo (NSHS) before joining DuSt Gaming. He is a Terran player currently in Grandmaster Division. He plans on coming down to the USA to train in DuSt Gaming's training house and compete in offline events such as MLG. Interview For those who don't necessarily know you, how would you describe the way you play or your play style? Hi everyone. I am a terran user and my nickname in SCII is Sia. I love to go macro games and I usually play aggressively and harass the hell out of the opponent. Tell us a little bit about yourself, where your from, your hobbies, lifestyle etc I am from South Korea and my hobby is to sing or play the guitar. I used to be the choir but I quit in middle school. How did you first come in contact with team DuSt? During one of my stream sessions, the DuSt Gaming owner approached me and asked me to join the team, right away I was pretty excited to be given the opportunity to come to the USA and train. How has your time on the team been so far? First of all, all my teammates are very enthusiastic and I love this. But, I have just recently received my NA account to practice with them, I hope I can practice with them soon. Talk about your teammates, do you get along with them? How about their skill? I am very friendly with the owner and the manager and the team's translator Kevin. I speak sometimes to the team on skype working on my english but I hope to practice with them soon. What are your plans and goals for 2012? Do you plan on going to offline events? if so, where? My goal for 2012 is to win at least 50 online tournaments in the US, make it to the quarter finals in MLG, and gain Code S seed in the GSL. What do you hope to gain from this game? In South Korea, being a professional gamer is a legit career, and if one becomes famous through it, you end up getting a lot famous, kind of like a celebrity. Also, later in life, I can get jobs related to gaming so it will help me a lot in the future as well. DuSt Gaming will have a functional team house in the USA towards the end of the year, do you intend of living there to practice with the team? Yes, it has already been made that in May I will go to the United States to live and train there. I will be staying in the US until the qualifications for Code S. Would you like to say anything to the people reading and/or your followers and fans? I have been a professional gamer in Korea for a long time, but I have not been able to achieve much in my career for some reason. Even those people who are not my fans are disappointed in this. Even if 2012 will not be my year, I wish to make this year a year where I can prove myself to the E-Sports Starcraft II scene.
Our French Protégé. He used to play for eSahara before joining DuSt Gaming. He has won and competed in many online tournaments knocking out many other professional competitors. RiSK plans on coming down to the USA to train in DuSt Gaming's training house and compete in offline events such as MLG. Interview For those who don't necessarily know you, how would you describe the way you play or your play style? Hi ladies and gentlemen, I am a protoss player. Usually I am more of a camper in PvT. I try to play the most safe strategies in PvZ. And in PvP I am very aggressive so watch out when you match me! Tell us a little bit about yourself, where your from, your hobbies, lifestyle etc Well my name is Romain "RiSK" Locquet and I am 17 years old. I live in the north of France, part time student/gamer and I work as a chef at a bakery. I have a growing passion for StarCraft II, I pass most of my lounging hours plugging away on the ladder and in many online tournaments as well as local offline tournaments in France. How did you first come in contact with team DuSt? Well, one night my skype window made a weird sound and then turned orange. It was a message from my previous manager from eSahara. Things with this team were not working out and I decided it was time to find a new team to compete with. I quickly was put into contact with sOOnMaNiAc (DuSt Gaming Manager) who was looking for talent to start up the team. After discussing the teams goals and the project I decided I wanted to be apart of it, and quickly jumped on board. My private agent who helped me find the team SaF (Now DuSt Gaming Team Coach) also decided to stick with me and support the team. How has your time on the team been so far? It is a nice feeling in the team with everyone maybe less with YanGe because his english is worse than mine (joke) but at least he speaks to the other koreans (in korean) I personally am very fond of Sia, he is a super strong Terran and I can learn a lot from him. I hope the gaming house can further bond the team. Also practicing with the others has changed my outlook on play styles. Each server comes with it's own game play. sOOnMaNiAc and SaF I am very fond of. I talk to them a lot about strategy. DanGer and TODesKampf are very close to rising to the top and its a pleasure to be there to see it happen. I know DanGer comes from a strong WarCraft III background so I look forward to when he is competing in Grandmaster on NA. Ricky and Tom the team owners are always active and there to listen and support me. Even if the time zones are a little spaced out, they are surprisingly always online to chat. What are your plans and goals for 2012? Do you plan on going to offline events? if so, where? Actually at the age of 17, I am still considered a minor. My parents won't really let me go to offline events sometimes. I guess my parents don't understand the passion of eSports. So I think I will have to hold off on the events until I turn 18 this year. Would you like to say anything to the people reading and/or your followers and fans? First of all I would like to say sorry to eSahara that things never worked out. I never really got the chance to publicly say that. I should also thank them for putting me into the direction of DuSt Gaming, without them I would not be apart of this team. We have a great ambition to eachother and they have given me great confidence that we can do great things together. So I'll finish this off with saying thank you to all who have read this and look forward to seeing me a lot this year.
Up and coming Protoss Gosu. Junbo will be competing in the GSL this year. He is currently in High Masters Division. He plans on coming down to the USA to train in DuSt Gaming's training house and compete in offline events such as MLG Interview For those who don't necessarily know you, how would you describe the way you play or your play style? Hello, my name is Joonbo Sim from the Korean server who goes by the nickname of DuStJunbo. My playstyle is playing defensively and playing macro games. Tell us a little bit about yourself, where your from, your hobbies, lifestyle etc I am from South Korea and do not just like to play video games, but I also like watching movies and listening to music. How did you first come in contact with team DuSt? I came into joining DuSt Gaming through Sia, he recommended me to the owners and after a nice talk both agreed that I could join. How has your time on the team been so far? I have not had the chance to fully engage my teammates because of PC issues, but during the times I have talked to them everyone seems very nice. What are your plans and goals for 2012? Do you plan on going to offline events? if so, where? For 2012, I wish to show you guys a lot of good games and make myself known around the SCII Esports scene! I want to participate in any tournaments that I can, but I am not sure which ones. I am hoping that DuSt Gaming will send me to the team house in the USA to train and compete at MLG. Would you like to say anything to the people reading and/or your followers and fans? I still need a lot more to work on, but if you guys will give me support, I will do my best to show you the best games ever. Thank you.
Former professional Warcraft III player. Our team captain DanGer has competed and qualified for his countries World Cyber Games in 2009 representing Peru in Warcraft III. Playing Terran, he is currently in the Masters Division. Interview Do you think you can carry out what you did in WarCraft III into StarCraft II? I think anything is possible, I believe I can for sure. For those who don't necessarily know you, how would you describe the way you play or your play style? well i am from Perú. I like to listen to music, read books, go to the gym and play StarCraft II and WarCraft III. These are my passions. How did you first come in contact with team DuSt? Well I have known Bidoux and Tom from my WarCraft III days. So when they offered me the chance to work with them in this new project, I took it right away. Bidoux in my opinion is one of the best managers I have ever met, and provided me with a lot of exclusive practice I could not have gotten without him. Him and Tom working together was a bonus. How has your time on the team been so far? my teammates are really funny haha. They are very manner and funny, like sOOnMaNiAc, our team manager, we make fun of our countries a lot and it is really funny (Germany vs Peru). Or Sia who does not know english very well but try to understand the idea and contribute a response. And Bidoux and Tom I have always had a huge respect for, overall I love this team. What are your plans and goals for 2012? Do you plan on going to offline events? if so, where? One of my plans for this year is be one of the best player of StarCraft II, at least for my country of Peru. If that happens I would like to travel to the US to play tournaments with my teammates. Would you like to say anything to the people reading and/or your followers and fans? Support us, we are Jamazing! (J is silent - Inside joke)
Our American Star, Stephen has always been a strong competitor on the North American Ladder, achieving Grandmaster Status. He is currently leading the pack on the North American ladder. Hopefully Stephen will make his mark offline as well as the year progresses. Interview For those who don't necessarily know you, how would you describe the way you play or your play style? I’m Stephen, 18 years old, and going to school to study Political Science. I currently live in Brentwood, California and I love to play starcraft. I would describe my play style as very aggressive. I enjoy being the one who sets the pace of the game, and is in control. I also like to do crazy builds which involve carriers and macro nexus'. How did you first come in contact with team DuSt? I was first contacted to join DuSt Gaming by the owners via my stream. They asked me to join and I accepted. How has your time on the team been so far? So far my time on the team has been great. Everyone is extremely friendly, and it’s great to have high level teammates to discuss strategy. Talk about your teammates, do you get along with them? How about their skill? My teammates are great. I get along with them very well, and they are all amazing players. The only downside is that our time zones greatly differ, and sometimes this limits the amount of time we get to play and talk to eachother. What are your plans and goals for 2012? Do you plan on going to offline events? if so, where? I have not yet been to an offline event, but I would really love to. If MLG returns to Anaheim I will be going and competing. What do you hope to gain from this game? I would hope to gain some starcraft related accomplishments, but even without that this game has already given me so much. I like to play it, I like to watch it, I like to talk about it. I’ve gained friends, and met more people through this game than I would of never thought possible. DuSt Gaming will have a functional team house in the USA towards the end of the year, do you intend of living there to practice with the team? As much as I would love to be living in a team house I’m not entirely sure I would be able to, do to my studies. If it’s possible it will happen, but for now I’m unsure. Would you like to say anything to the people reading and/or your followers and fans? Thank you for taking the time to read this, and thank you for your support!
EDIT: February 25th, DuSt Gaming has acquired two Zerg players. Mitchell "Grahan" Kelly and Kim "NaYa" Chan Jung. Both players will hopefully be joining the others in the team training house come this summer.
Also in the team with us are two other Terran players. Kim "YanGe" Si Young, a former korean professional WarCraft III player. and Kevin "Hannibal" Eun, our korea team translator currently residing in the United States. The team is also managed by sOOnMaNiAc (ex-Virus manager) and coached by SaF (ex-SC:BW pro gamer).
Plans for 2012: You can catch DuSt Gaming in action online and offline at various MLG's this year, as we plan to attend most of the end of the year events. We will try to participate in many online leagues as possible.
Team Training House DuSt Gaming has established a team training house located in Maryland, USA. In May, our team will be travelling to the USA to train and prepare for the 2012 season of offline events. (Preview Teaser Pictures)
Sponsors: I would like to personally thank IV Grafix for believing in our team and helping us with team's website design.
You can "Like" us on Facebook for up to date information on the team's success and schedule for 2012, as well as special player interviews: DuSt Gaming Facebook
You can "Follow" us on Twitter for up to date posts on player streams and other miscellaneous events we encounter. DuSt Gaming Twitter
Check out eSports Central Network, where you can follow or participate in both the StarCraft II and WarCraft III league and results, as well as information on our incoming weekly tournaments eSports Central Network Webpage
Get Involved: If you would like to join our team and help out feel free to contact either Tom or myself at: Bidoux@e-sportscentral.com (Ricky / Owner) OR Dreams@e-sportscentral.com (Tom / Owner)
o.o That's a huge investment to start off with a team house from the get-go. You currently have one sponsor and it is a web design company. My question is: who is financially backing up the team?
also, did anyone else go O.O at junbo's picture? first thing that ran through my mind was savior wtf
On February 21 2012 17:42 Leeoku wrote: those stretched pics were epic
This!
Happy to be apart of DuSt!
May I ask how you chose your nickname? Just being curious and I think a lot of Germans might be wondering when they see it.
I always wanted my nickname to be completely unique, so people would recognize me, and begin to know who I am. With that said, I am German, and finish. So i came up with all the finish and German words i knew, looked up a few more, and then picked one. Directly translated it means death-struggle, and I felt like that had a good relation to my starcraft 2 career, because for awhile i was struggling with the decision of whether or not to continue playing, and was un-sure if i wanted to continue pursuing this game :p
On February 21 2012 17:42 Leeoku wrote: those stretched pics were epic
This!
Happy to be apart of DuSt!
May I ask how you chose your nickname? Just being curious and I think a lot of Germans might be wondering when they see it.
I always wanted my nickname to be completely unique, so people would recognize me, and begin to know who I am. With that said, I am German, and finish. So i came up with all the finish and German words i knew, looked up a few more, and then picked one. Directly translated it means death-struggle, and I felt like that had a good relation to my starcraft 2 career, because for awhile i was struggling with the decision of whether or not to continue playing, and was un-sure if i wanted to continue pursuing this game :p
i definitely remember you from UED. hope this team works out for you.
It's always exciting to see foreigner team houses spring up and see how well they will do. Haven't heard of anybody on that list but maybe we'll see them tearing it up in some tourneys soon... who knows.
i know that risk is kinda decent-ish but never heard anything about the others....
hope they will do well nonetheless just because they have a team house and if they do well some EU top teams my realize that team houses are very effective (like milennium did)
Risk has the worst manners in all the french scene. He was a well-known stream-snipper, usually trying to annoy Adelscott while he was streaming. He was expelled from e-Sahara after insulting and threatening an ESL France moderator (screencaps were posted in the Team aAa website). I hope he has cleaned his act. At the same time, he's super young, he has the time to change.
Well Adelscott is quite the troll himself so if he is constantly trying to annoy him then I will at least watch it may not condone it though...
However, it looks like you guys have people from all over the world on the team, what made you pick a house in the US? Especially in Maryland where the cost of living is not exactly low?
On February 21 2012 19:54 CaptainCrush wrote: Well Adelscott is quite the troll himself so if he is constantly trying to annoy him then I will at least watch it may not condone it though...
However, it looks like you guys have people from all over the world on the team, what made you pick a house in the US? Especially in Maryland where the cost of living is not exactly low?
Well we both reside in NA so we define the team as an American established team. Maryland is the hometown of one of the owners, it was more convenient to create it in one of our home towns.
On February 21 2012 17:58 Corinthos wrote: o.o That's a huge investment to start off with a team house from the get-go. You currently have one sponsor and it is a web design company. My question is: who is financially backing up the team?
also, did anyone else go O.O at junbo's picture? first thing that ran through my mind was savior wtf
good luck with the team, sia is a good player.
I thought that as well, with the savior thing lol.
A team house in College Park, Maryland? O.O Careful, it's quite "ghetto" in college park, pretty much regardless of where you are. UMCP has a pretty active CSL team, it'd be cool if we could get some coaching :D
I really want the question about sponsorship and teamhouse answered. It makes no sense that a team with little initial investment can spawn a whole house.
Another question, how is this going to stand out apart from those "2 korean superstars acquired and a bunch of team-fillers" team? No offense but, a high masters all the way through low-GM player on NA server right now is not even competitive enough to take 1 game out of 100 out of a top pro.
I'm not trying to be condescending, its just a genuine concern.
I predict another quick failure at best, if it even reaches where they state it will. So many new teams popping up with nearly no backing, and claiming huge steps.
Remember all of you guys from WC3. DanGer used to play for my team back in WC3, awesome guy, but not very reliable. I'm sure you guys knew that? And from what I know he's like, not even top 5 SC2 players from Peru right now? Really curious as to why he's your team captain instead of like YanGe or Hannibal. Anyways, regardless of how I feel about DanGer's disappointing performances, I'll always root for him to become a great player. Really nice of you all to have a great setup, hope you all get much more support and can become successful in America.
Best of luck! Hoping to see great things from you all^^
On February 21 2012 20:51 Orracle wrote: I predict another quick failure at best, if it even reaches where they state it will. So many new teams popping up with nearly no backing, and claiming huge steps.
Pretty much agree. Either theres a diamond in the ruff on that team (which I doubt), or they need to get ready to practice 12-14 hours a day.
On February 21 2012 20:39 Jombozeus wrote: I really want the question about sponsorship and teamhouse answered. It makes no sense that a team with little initial investment can spawn a whole house.
Another question, how is this going to stand out apart from those "2 korean superstars acquired and a bunch of team-fillers" team? No offense but, a high masters all the way through low-GM player on NA server right now is not even competitive enough to take 1 game out of 100 out of a top pro.
I'm not trying to be condescending, its just a genuine concern.
a lot of people who make "teamhouses" are usually houses that they own through parents or investment and isn't solely meant for gaming
Goodluck guys, can't say I know who any of you are now, but I am happy to learn more. One of you should try to get on a state of the game or something and talk about what being a brand new team is like.
Good to see a new team, and especially in CP. I live right nearby so maybe if I've made it to masters by the time I graduate college I could join as your first zerg and move in
I have to say that, when I patrolled the recently-created Liquipedia page of this team, I thought I was looking at a made-up team, an elaborated troll page like we sometimes face. Because, come on I thought, which serious team manager could ever think that having RiSK in his roster is a good idea? And then I followed the link to this topic and found out that it was indeed for real.
So, thank you for bringing such an entertaining player in the North American scene! Stream-sniping, insulting fellow players and tournament admins on a regular basis (eventually resulting in him being kicked of his previous team), and, last but no least, using a votebot in a community poll in order to try to grab a spot in an invitational tournament... This guy has more than a few tricks up his sleeve!
On February 21 2012 23:16 Koorb wrote: I have to say that, when I patrolled the recently-created Liquipedia page of this team, I thought I was looking at a made-up team, an elaborated troll page like we sometimes face. Because, come on I thought, which serious team manager could ever think that having RiSK in his roster is a good idea? And then I followed the link to this topic and found out that it was indeed for real.
So, thank you for bringing such an entertaining player in the North American scene! Stream-sniping, insulting fellow players and tournament admins on a regular basis (eventually resulting in him being kicked of his previous team), and, last but no least, using a votebot in a community poll in order to try to grab a spot in an invitational tournament... This guy has more than a few tricks up his sleeve!
That being said, good luck for your development!
That's how things work in france, instead of supporting upcoming players, we spit at them.
I've personnaly kicked RiSK from eSahara, but people can change, RiSK made a lot to improve his manners. Stephano is not manner at all, he insults players, BM a bunch, act like a star with admins but everyone is still cheering him.
As others have stated, I am somewhat scared about lack of sponsors so far for you guys. However, I know Sia is a great player in his own right. I truly wish you guys the best of luck.
I can't believe that you are opening a team house already . That is a huge investment, you have no showings and winnings. I'd love for this to work but it just seems like a recipe for disaster. -_-;
Shout out to anyone from College Park, if you guys are going to the MLG Barcraft in Wash DC thats in Dupont Circle, one of Team DuSt's owners will be there. So if you have any questions, BE THERE!
Sorry to say but the overall presentation of your "Unveiling" (the post - damn those grafics/photos look cheap .., the players, the website) looks quite unprofessional - I'm not sure what your immediate goals are and how you want to keep up with the team house ...
I wish you the best of luck (as i wish luck to anyone who follows his "dreams") but i hope you improve a lot and do it soon if you don't have the financial background already...
On February 21 2012 17:58 Corinthos wrote: o.o That's a huge investment to start off with a team house from the get-go. You currently have one sponsor and it is a web design company. My question is: who is financially backing up the team?
also, did anyone else go O.O at junbo's picture? first thing that ran through my mind was savior wtf
good luck with the team, sia is a good player.
EXACTLY what i thought, if he was zerg, i woulda said. Why yes that is Ma Jae Yoon! xD
On February 21 2012 22:24 Alkresh wrote: All I know is Todeskampf, he tried to proxy 2 gate me and failed.
Both games I played vs him he 2 gated me and cannon rushed me.. -_-
Lol he 2 gated me too.
I played him on 4 different occasions and he 2 gated me but I brushed it off since it was pvp and it's stupid anyway, then my zerg friend got him and he did the same thing apparently O.o
On February 22 2012 04:51 Arcanne wrote: teamhouse for unknowns. interesting.
What's wrong with a teamhouse? A house in MD can prolly be like 1k - 1.5k / month for rent. If the team owner already lives there, it's not a huge deal O_O
Wow the feedback from the community was not at all what we expected. I can't say how much the team appreciates it! More importantly how much I personally appreciate it.
Thanks for supporting us guys <3 We are really stoked for this year! DuSt Gaming 2012!
I remember seeing Sia in the GSL, nice to see him in the lineup. I hope you guys are successful and become a team to rival some of the other big teams out there.
I think the announcement looks kind of crappy. Teaser with alpha screenshots? Messed up profile pictures? ... seriously? This is 2012 guys Good luck to the team never the less, but it helps a lot if you make your initial announcement look good and professional.
On February 22 2012 04:51 Arcanne wrote: teamhouse for unknowns. interesting.
What's wrong with a teamhouse? A house in MD can prolly be like 1k - 1.5k / month for rent. If the team owner already lives there, it's not a huge deal O_O
On February 22 2012 03:51 IPA wrote: Good luck guys but please consider getting a new logo/mascot -- the current devil looks a bit like it came from a geocities website circa '96.
Cool team house.
lol, whatever happened to geocities anyway? This seems to be a pretty ambitious team with the house and all. I think they'd be better served with a slicker logo too.
I'm not sure if you're set on the team tag as "DuSt", but I think "DuST" would be better. Looks better and it's more logical since the "u" is the odd letter in that acronym.
That trailer puts blizzard's choice of pictures on the gamebox to shame :O Haven't heard about anyone other than Sia so a team house already seems a bit weird without much exposure from the current lineup. Love the fact that you're actually GETTING a team house though since not many others care/see a reason in getting one.
LOL... i like the post after post of 'todeskampf' has 2 gated me, spare yourself the post. I've 2 gated everyone. I find it hard to take ladder seriously, but now that i have a reason to practice, practice i shall! <3
Gl, although i dont know how you guys expect to win against teams with actual pro's in them.
This just sounds like something me and my friends would do. We all live at the same house at university, should we make our own team name and put a post on TL about it? Maybe get sponsored from our local meat deli.
On February 21 2012 19:12 TearsOfTheSun wrote: i thought Junbo was SaviOr lol..
Had no idea who saviOr was until now, they do look shockingly similar though haha
... ... wat?
GL to the team. Curious about the finances driving this, but best of luck none-the-less, hope things turn out well.
You definitely aren't the only one wondering that.
You ever consider that they are just paying the rent? Split between 5 guys, is that really that expensive? It's like a college house.
What about the travel costs for flying in koreans to the teamhouse? Food and other living expenses? Staff/coach/translator/player wages? Tournament entry fees and travel costs? The entire team, staff and players, are all under 21 years old (except for maybe 2 players whose ages I cannot find from a quick search). They appear to have no sponsors other than a graphic design website that probably only made their website. They couldn't even afford someone to make a proper teaser (one of the owners made it in the past week, after using After Effects for the first time).
I think that is enough reasons to wonder where they are getting their money to afford all this without sponsors. I'd rather not have to read a post in a month or so saying that a couple korean players are teamless and stranded in the US because their team has no real money.
give these guys a chance yo, the koreans they are bringing over were semi pro wc3 players. but the most promising in my opinion are the NA players. Lets see what they can do playing full time. It should be obvious the current NA system isn't producing NA players that can compete.
On February 22 2012 09:35 TOdesKaMpF wrote: LOL... i like the post after post of 'todeskampf' has 2 gated me, spare yourself the post. I've 2 gated everyone. I find it hard to take ladder seriously, but now that i have a reason to practice, practice i shall! <3
On February 22 2012 04:51 Arcanne wrote: teamhouse for unknowns. interesting.
What's wrong with a teamhouse? A house in MD can prolly be like 1k - 1.5k / month for rent. If the team owner already lives there, it's not a huge deal O_O
Since when does interesting = wrong?
Since when does stating something with a negative connotation not = at least a tiny bit wrong? Maybe he's not saying that getting a team house is outrageous and a terrible move, but he's at least implying that he doesn't understand the benefit from it, and also that he probably feels there are some things that are wrong with it. My reply would have been the same as Xeris', even though maybe Arcanne wasn't necessarily thinking that something was terribly wrong with it.
On February 22 2012 09:35 TOdesKaMpF wrote: LOL... i like the post after post of 'todeskampf' has 2 gated me, spare yourself the post. I've 2 gated everyone. I find it hard to take ladder seriously, but now that i have a reason to practice, practice i shall! <3
Get to GM before you sh*ttalk about ladder...
I wasn't talking shit about the ladder, i honestly think its one of the best ways to improve. I just said i couldn't take it seriously, i wasn't implying i'm above it or anything like that
On February 22 2012 04:51 Arcanne wrote: teamhouse for unknowns. interesting.
What's wrong with a teamhouse? A house in MD can prolly be like 1k - 1.5k / month for rent. If the team owner already lives there, it's not a huge deal O_O
For everyone that isn't familiar with 'Bido' and 'Dreams' like the War3 scene is, here's a brief explanation.
Bido - a dirty manager/admin that has plagued the war3 scene far to long (good riddance) that has continually rigged league matches, Zotac, and many other things pertaining to the scene to make sure it benefits him. He's an 18 yr old brat that sits on his butt all day doing nothing but trolling the internet telling people he's 'professional' (laughable).
Dreams - a good guy with great intentions that never follows through with anything. Including taking 8+ months to pay a team that won the league he ran (only league that ended well). Goes inactive just about every other week nad watches his own teams and leagues fail. Once they are one and done he comes back.
Either way i think i speak for the war3 scene when we say good luck and hope things go really really well (so you dont come back to war3). GOODLUCK.
I'd love to optimistically about these guys, but I just can't. I think this is one of those times you can judge a team's chances by their banner - the 1990s called and said they want it back.
On February 22 2012 18:22 DOLLARBILLS wrote: For everyone that isn't familiar with 'Bido' and 'Dreams' like the War3 scene is, here's a brief explanation.
Bido - a dirty manager/admin that has plagued the war3 scene far to long (good riddance) that has continually rigged league matches, Zotac, and many other things pertaining to the scene to make sure it benefits him. He's an 18 yr old brat that sits on his butt all day doing nothing but trolling the internet telling people he's 'professional' (laughable).
Dreams - a good guy with great intentions that never follows through with anything. Including taking 8+ months to pay a team that won the league he ran (only league that ended well). Goes inactive just about every other week nad watches his own teams and leagues fail. Once they are one and done he comes back.
Either way i think i speak for the war3 scene when we say good luck and hope things go really really well (so you dont come back to war3). GOODLUCK.
On February 22 2012 18:22 DOLLARBILLS wrote: For everyone that isn't familiar with 'Bido' and 'Dreams' like the War3 scene is, here's a brief explanation.
Bido - a dirty manager/admin that has plagued the war3 scene far to long (good riddance) that has continually rigged league matches, Zotac, and many other things pertaining to the scene to make sure it benefits him. He's an 18 yr old brat that sits on his butt all day doing nothing but trolling the internet telling people he's 'professional' (laughable).
Dreams - a good guy with great intentions that never follows through with anything. Including taking 8+ months to pay a team that won the league he ran (only league that ended well). Goes inactive just about every other week nad watches his own teams and leagues fail. Once they are one and done he comes back.
Either way i think i speak for the war3 scene when we say good luck and hope things go really really well (so you dont come back to war3). GOODLUCK.
had to make an account for that eh.
This. When you get your facts straight Mr.Dollar, let us know. So far, everything that has been said can be proven wrong.
On February 22 2012 18:22 DOLLARBILLS wrote: For everyone that isn't familiar with 'Bido' and 'Dreams' like the War3 scene is, here's a brief explanation.
Bido - a dirty manager/admin that has plagued the war3 scene far to long (good riddance) that has continually rigged league matches, Zotac, and many other things pertaining to the scene to make sure it benefits him. He's an 18 yr old brat that sits on his butt all day doing nothing but trolling the internet telling people he's 'professional' (laughable).
Dreams - a good guy with great intentions that never follows through with anything. Including taking 8+ months to pay a team that won the league he ran (only league that ended well). Goes inactive just about every other week nad watches his own teams and leagues fail. Once they are one and done he comes back.
Either way i think i speak for the war3 scene when we say good luck and hope things go really really well (so you dont come back to war3). GOODLUCK.
I'm not gonna make comments on about what you said about Bidoux cause clearly you have personal issues with him that maybe you should sort out...
About Dreams... There was once instance where he didn't pay the winning team... This is true.. however lets not exagerate time here bud... I ran the league and he promised to pay the winner... the league finished late in October and he paid before mid January... If my kindergarden math skills are on top of things today I would say that's 3 months at the most... lets not forget this is around the holliday's and somtimes money can be a bit tight... we talked it over with the manager from WC3 and he didn't mind delayed payment until "DreamS" had extra money to pay him off... Goes inactive every other week? What does this have to do with running a team or is any of your concern... unlike you we are not 15 year old kids and have jobs, real lifes (hard for you to understand I can tell) and family to keep up with as well. Do you think he wants his team leagues to fail? If you actually took time to look down into it you would see that the TEAMS in the league failure more often than not... not scheduling or going inactive themselves... Past league Admin experience has nothing to do with running a team... Next time be a big man and tell us who you really are... because pathetic words from a smurf account are very pitaful and no one is going to trust your comments
On February 22 2012 18:22 DOLLARBILLS wrote: For everyone that isn't familiar with 'Bido' and 'Dreams' like the War3 scene is, here's a brief explanation.
Bido - a dirty manager/admin that has plagued the war3 scene far to long (good riddance) that has continually rigged league matches, Zotac, and many other things pertaining to the scene to make sure it benefits him. He's an 18 yr old brat that sits on his butt all day doing nothing but trolling the internet telling people he's 'professional' (laughable).
Dreams - a good guy with great intentions that never follows through with anything. Including taking 8+ months to pay a team that won the league he ran (only league that ended well). Goes inactive just about every other week nad watches his own teams and leagues fail. Once they are one and done he comes back.
Either way i think i speak for the war3 scene when we say good luck and hope things go really really well (so you dont come back to war3). GOODLUCK.
That's why people like WE.TeD (possibly the best UD player in WAR3 for the past few years) consider him a friend who was very helpful and a great manager? In fact off the top of my head I can think of about 15 professional players of whom I've personally witnessed giving this guy props. Bidoux has been an asset to the WAR3 community.
No one is perfect and in some lights Bidoux has made mistakes and screwed up. Find me someone who hasn't before you claim that matters though. The thing is, and I can say this pretty safely even without knowing who you are, that you don't realize about 95% of what he did for the community. It WAS at the professional scene and clearly you weren't involved in it.
On February 22 2012 04:51 Arcanne wrote: teamhouse for unknowns. interesting.
bido is far more known then you and you are very bad at this game. Get your facts straight before posting,
He said unknowns. As in multiple. I don't know any of these players aswell. Apparently Bido is known in W3 community, but on top of this page it says 'starcraft progaming news'. So its no wonder i've never heard of this guy or others coming from other scenes. With the coming of SC2 a lot of new players/forum visitors/community interested people joined these forums, people who haven't been knee-deep in SC/BW or W3. So while some guys around here know some of their players, i gotta agree that most of these people are unknown - to most in this topic apparently. What do you expect with non-gm players, former warcraft players and some master koreans.
Known people are generally considered to be known by the mass, the most, the community as a whole recognizes them.
But still, wish them a lot of succes, new teams are always good, and who knows; maybe this team will get known really fast.
Fixing the name (DidYouSeeThat=DYST), the trailer (beta whut?) and getting more sponsors should help that
On February 22 2012 18:22 DOLLARBILLS wrote: For everyone that isn't familiar with 'Bido' and 'Dreams' like the War3 scene is, here's a brief explanation.
Bido - a dirty manager/admin that has plagued the war3 scene far to long (good riddance) that has continually rigged league matches, Zotac, and many other things pertaining to the scene to make sure it benefits him. He's an 18 yr old brat that sits on his butt all day doing nothing but trolling the internet telling people he's 'professional' (laughable).
Dreams - a good guy with great intentions that never follows through with anything. Including taking 8+ months to pay a team that won the league he ran (only league that ended well). Goes inactive just about every other week nad watches his own teams and leagues fail. Once they are one and done he comes back.
Either way i think i speak for the war3 scene when we say good luck and hope things go really really well (so you dont come back to war3). GOODLUCK.
would like to thank all the team leader also members of RAGE, RAGE met the photographer in the oldest (TEST), taught me English Bidoux well before each game to us and all his comrades cheering Screamo, six months to take care of them .. have lots to talk about feelings, love this "home"! -WE.Pepsi.TeD
"For those who don't necessarily know you, how would you describe the way you play or your play style? Hello, my name is Joonbo Sim from the Korean server who goes by the nickname of DuStSia. My playstyle is playing defensively and playing macro games." Wait what.
Good luck to you guys! Its great to see ambitious Teams taking giant steps like this. It seems like a trend that is only going to continue to grow, and I think were gonna see a lot more popping up in the near future.
On February 23 2012 12:28 birdkicker wrote: players arent that skilled for the amount of hype the people in this thread are making it out to be. good luck nonetheless
and your not skilled enough to be talking down other players, just saying.
On February 23 2012 12:28 birdkicker wrote: players arent that skilled for the amount of hype the people in this thread are making it out to be. good luck nonetheless
and your not skilled enough to be talking down other players, just saying.
On February 23 2012 12:24 iSometric wrote: "For those who don't necessarily know you, how would you describe the way you play or your play style? Hello, my name is Joonbo Sim from the Korean server who goes by the nickname of DuStSia. My playstyle is playing defensively and playing macro games." Wait what.
Why yes i did have to make an account.. because i didn't have one? Isn't that what you normally do? i'd love to see you refute anything that i say Tom but truly i have no time to keep checking on teamliquid website... and i have nothing against your team i know them a lot of them personally myself, good dudes. Just seems funny that you guys promise all this stuff.. i guess we'll just see if you actually follow through or not. Like i said Good Luck.
And Virtue you're not even worth trying to argue with, you're a bigger failure at war3/sc2 than both them combined ever could be.
On February 22 2012 18:22 DOLLARBILLS wrote: For everyone that isn't familiar with 'Bido' and 'Dreams' like the War3 scene is, here's a brief explanation.
Bido - a dirty manager/admin that has plagued the war3 scene far to long (good riddance) that has continually rigged league matches, Zotac, and many other things pertaining to the scene to make sure it benefits him. He's an 18 yr old brat that sits on his butt all day doing nothing but trolling the internet telling people he's 'professional' (laughable).
Dreams - a good guy with great intentions that never follows through with anything. Including taking 8+ months to pay a team that won the league he ran (only league that ended well). Goes inactive just about every other week nad watches his own teams and leagues fail. Once they are one and done he comes back.
Either way i think i speak for the war3 scene when we say good luck and hope things go really really well (so you dont come back to war3). GOODLUCK.
Wow... i feel really bad for the koreans they picked up...
I Know that myself, and several of the master player in the DC area, would love to come visit, trade some games, drink some beers once you get up and running.
GL guys! Amazing to see such a large initial investment into a new team, but it seams like you guys have the background to pull it off. Hope to see you guys posting results and making sponsors happy.
On February 23 2012 18:36 DOLLARBILLS wrote: Why yes i did have to make an account.. because i didn't have one? Isn't that what you normally do? i'd love to see you refute anything that i say Tom but truly i have no time to keep checking on teamliquid website... and i have nothing against your team i know them a lot of them personally myself, good dudes. Just seems funny that you guys promise all this stuff.. i guess we'll just see if you actually follow through or not. Like i said Good Luck.
And Virtue you're not even worth trying to argue with, you're a bigger failure at war3/sc2 than both them combined ever could be.
Big words bro... I didn't fail anything I set out to do in WC3... Maybe you view running a team and league as a failure but neither failed so that sucks...
As for SC2 its funny if you think I'm a failure lol... You prob don't even know the team I'm on or what I have done because I have spent the past 5 months with a European team and the first time I told someone was two days ago
You should man up and at least tell people who you are instead of hiding your failures and pointing out others mistakes
On February 22 2012 18:22 DOLLARBILLS wrote: For everyone that isn't familiar with 'Bido' and 'Dreams' like the War3 scene is, here's a brief explanation.
Bido - a dirty manager/admin that has plagued the war3 scene far to long (good riddance) that has continually rigged league matches, Zotac, and many other things pertaining to the scene to make sure it benefits him. He's an 18 yr old brat that sits on his butt all day doing nothing but trolling the internet telling people he's 'professional' (laughable).
Dreams - a good guy with great intentions that never follows through with anything. Including taking 8+ months to pay a team that won the league he ran (only league that ended well). Goes inactive just about every other week nad watches his own teams and leagues fail. Once they are one and done he comes back.
Either way i think i speak for the war3 scene when we say good luck and hope things go really really well (so you dont come back to war3). GOODLUCK.
That's why people like WE.TeD (possibly the best UD player in WAR3 for the past few years) consider him a friend who was very helpful and a great manager? In fact off the top of my head I can think of about 15 professional players of whom I've personally witnessed giving this guy props. Bidoux has been an asset to the WAR3 community.
No one is perfect and in some lights Bidoux has made mistakes and screwed up. Find me someone who hasn't before you claim that matters though. The thing is, and I can say this pretty safely even without knowing who you are, that you don't realize about 95% of what he did for the community. It WAS at the professional scene and clearly you weren't involved in it.
'Haters gonna hate'
You've been watching from afar. Bidoux used what he had to get himself into great situations. From there he was able to expand and go to greater places. Even though he didn't really do some of his job well, he had the connections he needed, and he was able to do good things and help good people. I was a friend of Bidoux back in War3, he's a good guy and I always shared good conversations with him. I support him and know that he is resourceful and can do a lot of good. I'm glad he has brought upon this opportunity, and I'm hoping for the best for him and his partners and players.
That being said, you can't disregard what that other guys said. Bidoux did some bad things... You can say the good things about Bidoux, but plz don't try to deny facts. Bidoux was an asset to certain people, but he did plague other people/projects.
I like when people mention the good things about a person, and put faith in his intentions and opportunities, but I don't like when people lie and say that criticism against a person is false or incorrect. Unless you have factual evidence to prove otherwise, your speculations are not useful. Same goes for the guy criticizing him...
Heard good things about DreamS too, hope these guys go far^^
This is great and all, but apart from Sia (who I don't think his English is actually that good from when I've spoken to him in the past) how do you guys honestly expect to improve? The NA server is absolutely god awful, customs won't matter because none of the very best foreigners actually play on NA anymore except for like three.
And then you're going to pull Koreans who are in their best shape, out of their homeland, to deal with language barriers/cultuer shock, and put them in a worse gaming environment ladder/custom wise?
If you were absolutely serious about getting better or improving your team, and making them better, the foreigners should've gone to Korea, not vice-versa. You're about to destroy these Koreans chances of actually improving, by forcing them to play with handicaps and less-intensive practice partners etc.
Sorry, but this is the truth. If anyone's actually serious about being a progamer and not just in it for the money or fun or whatever, they come to Korea and they suck it up. No one can deny the practice here is better than the rest of the world [by far].
And I'm only writing this because I feel like the general(and wrong) belief is just "make a team house anywhere! -> get better!" and that's not how it works. Not to mention you're putting a shit load of burden on Sia, because he's the teams only chance for improvement, and that's if the others actually just accept their mechanics suck compared to his and actually learn through him (even if they don't play Terran) the way all Koreans learn off each other here.
On February 26 2012 16:21 lastshadow wrote: This is great and all, but apart from Sia (who I don't think his English is actually that good from when I've spoken to him in the past) how do you guys honestly expect to improve? The NA server is absolutely god awful, customs won't matter because none of the very best foreigners actually play on NA anymore except for like three.
And then you're going to pull Koreans who are in their best shape, out of their homeland, to deal with language barriers/cultuer shock, and put them in a worse gaming environment ladder/custom wise?
If you were absolutely serious about getting better or improving your team, and making them better, the foreigners should've gone to Korea, not vice-versa. You're about to destroy these Koreans chances of actually improving, by forcing them to play with handicaps and less-intensive practice partners etc.
Sorry, but this is the truth. If anyone's actually serious about being a progamer and not just in it for the money or fun or whatever, they come to Korea and they suck it up. No one can deny the practice here is better than the rest of the world [by far].
And I'm only writing this because I feel like the general(and wrong) belief is just "make a team house anywhere! -> get better!" and that's not how it works. Not to mention you're putting a shit load of burden on Sia, because he's the teams only chance for improvement, and that's if the others actually just accept their mechanics suck compared to his and actually learn through him (even if they don't play Terran) the way all Koreans learn off each other here.
Thanks for the comment lastshadow and I know it was written with much experience behind it, seeing as you have experienced both environments thoroughly. However, the current plan is to have the training house in the USA. Maybe the caliber of ladder is not the same within both the servers (NA / KR) but that still doesn't mean players cannot still improve by practicing together with a strict practice schedule. Also I wouldn't say all or any burden is set on Sia, we have some very strong players coming to the house and I truly believe that it will benefit our team in the end. I mean that was the initial goal for this investment, to make a statement this year. Appreciate your input though, means a lot.
On February 26 2012 16:21 lastshadow wrote: This is great and all, but apart from Sia (who I don't think his English is actually that good from when I've spoken to him in the past) how do you guys honestly expect to improve? The NA server is absolutely god awful, customs won't matter because none of the very best foreigners actually play on NA anymore except for like three.
And then you're going to pull Koreans who are in their best shape, out of their homeland, to deal with language barriers/cultuer shock, and put them in a worse gaming environment ladder/custom wise?
If you were absolutely serious about getting better or improving your team, and making them better, the foreigners should've gone to Korea, not vice-versa. You're about to destroy these Koreans chances of actually improving, by forcing them to play with handicaps and less-intensive practice partners etc.
Sorry, but this is the truth. If anyone's actually serious about being a progamer and not just in it for the money or fun or whatever, they come to Korea and they suck it up. No one can deny the practice here is better than the rest of the world [by far].
And I'm only writing this because I feel like the general(and wrong) belief is just "make a team house anywhere! -> get better!" and that's not how it works. Not to mention you're putting a shit load of burden on Sia, because he's the teams only chance for improvement, and that's if the others actually just accept their mechanics suck compared to his and actually learn through him (even if they don't play Terran) the way all Koreans learn off each other here.
Violet has proven that a Korean can leave Korea and actually improve. He's been in the USA for >3 months now and has significantly gotten better in that time period. Although perhaps he's the exception.
On February 26 2012 16:21 lastshadow wrote: This is great and all, but apart from Sia (who I don't think his English is actually that good from when I've spoken to him in the past) how do you guys honestly expect to improve? The NA server is absolutely god awful, customs won't matter because none of the very best foreigners actually play on NA anymore except for like three.
And then you're going to pull Koreans who are in their best shape, out of their homeland, to deal with language barriers/cultuer shock, and put them in a worse gaming environment ladder/custom wise?
If you were absolutely serious about getting better or improving your team, and making them better, the foreigners should've gone to Korea, not vice-versa. You're about to destroy these Koreans chances of actually improving, by forcing them to play with handicaps and less-intensive practice partners etc.
Sorry, but this is the truth. If anyone's actually serious about being a progamer and not just in it for the money or fun or whatever, they come to Korea and they suck it up. No one can deny the practice here is better than the rest of the world [by far].
And I'm only writing this because I feel like the general(and wrong) belief is just "make a team house anywhere! -> get better!" and that's not how it works. Not to mention you're putting a shit load of burden on Sia, because he's the teams only chance for improvement, and that's if the others actually just accept their mechanics suck compared to his and actually learn through him (even if they don't play Terran) the way all Koreans learn off each other here.
Violet has proven that a Korean can leave Korea and actually improve. He's been in the USA for >3 months now and has significantly gotten better in that time period. Although perhaps he's the exception.
90% of the time, I'd say you're right tho
Violet came from WC3 pro background so that's a huge bonus to him... and he can work hard... It really just depends if the players have the drive to push themselves and the team owners force a korean style practice environment on them... I believe they wont improve as fast as if they where in Korea but its not like they will get worse...
Lastshadow its nice to see you posting :D Love your play man keep it up and hopefully u find some success... Losing to you on ladder was an honor haha
On February 26 2012 16:21 lastshadow wrote: This is great and all, but apart from Sia (who I don't think his English is actually that good from when I've spoken to him in the past) how do you guys honestly expect to improve? The NA server is absolutely god awful, customs won't matter because none of the very best foreigners actually play on NA anymore except for like three.
And then you're going to pull Koreans who are in their best shape, out of their homeland, to deal with language barriers/cultuer shock, and put them in a worse gaming environment ladder/custom wise?
If you were absolutely serious about getting better or improving your team, and making them better, the foreigners should've gone to Korea, not vice-versa. You're about to destroy these Koreans chances of actually improving, by forcing them to play with handicaps and less-intensive practice partners etc.
Sorry, but this is the truth. If anyone's actually serious about being a progamer and not just in it for the money or fun or whatever, they come to Korea and they suck it up. No one can deny the practice here is better than the rest of the world [by far].
And I'm only writing this because I feel like the general(and wrong) belief is just "make a team house anywhere! -> get better!" and that's not how it works. Not to mention you're putting a shit load of burden on Sia, because he's the teams only chance for improvement, and that's if the others actually just accept their mechanics suck compared to his and actually learn through him (even if they don't play Terran) the way all Koreans learn off each other here.
You're completely wrong. Living in korea isn't everything. The reason people improve in Korean more-so than NA, is because that (speaking generally) Korean players, and Korean team-houses practice at a much higher intensity than other places in the world.
With that said, any player who has the drive, and the focus to improve, can do so regardless of their location. That Korean intensity that I speak of can be mimicked anywhere with a willing team, and a willing management.
Thanks for the negativity though, gives us yet one more person to prove wrong.
On February 26 2012 16:21 lastshadow wrote: This is great and all, but apart from Sia (who I don't think his English is actually that good from when I've spoken to him in the past) how do you guys honestly expect to improve? The NA server is absolutely god awful, customs won't matter because none of the very best foreigners actually play on NA anymore except for like three.
And then you're going to pull Koreans who are in their best shape, out of their homeland, to deal with language barriers/cultuer shock, and put them in a worse gaming environment ladder/custom wise?
If you were absolutely serious about getting better or improving your team, and making them better, the foreigners should've gone to Korea, not vice-versa. You're about to destroy these Koreans chances of actually improving, by forcing them to play with handicaps and less-intensive practice partners etc.
Sorry, but this is the truth. If anyone's actually serious about being a progamer and not just in it for the money or fun or whatever, they come to Korea and they suck it up. No one can deny the practice here is better than the rest of the world [by far].
And I'm only writing this because I feel like the general(and wrong) belief is just "make a team house anywhere! -> get better!" and that's not how it works. Not to mention you're putting a shit load of burden on Sia, because he's the teams only chance for improvement, and that's if the others actually just accept their mechanics suck compared to his and actually learn through him (even if they don't play Terran) the way all Koreans learn off each other here.
Yeah, because you've done so much and improved a great deal since being in Korea!
Oh wait...you haven't. You got bashed on and cried, switched races and then cried some more. You feel like you're entitled to respect because you went to Korea but you, and many others, have gone to Korea and achieved absolutely nothing. I hear you say how "God awful" foreigners are like you're above them, but you aren't. You've never been able to compete with the top players and that's dating back to BW.
You, Spades, cArn, MajOr, Fenix, Oak, and plenty of other players have gone and trained in Korea and have had no results. Hell, IdrA went back to Korea and hasn't done that well in a tournament since. HuK is the only player who you can attribute being in Korea relative to his success, and even that is debatable; I could easily argue that he would still be a top foreigner if he practiced as hard in Korea as he did outside of it.
People like to make the Korean server out to be some godlike entity when it really isn't the case. At the top of the KR ladder, as in GM MMR, the KR server is much better than the NA server but unless you're at that skill level then playing on NA is the same thing. Until you can max out your MMR on NA and have a 70%+ win ratio there really isn't that much of a benefit from practicing on KR. The ladder system is designed to give you a 50% win ratio, if you're at or around that ratio on any server then switching servers isnt' going to do anything because you're still going to be presed to go 50/50.
The reason players, like yourself, make KR server out to be so much better than it is when they aren't even hitting that MMR on KR is because you can justify your losses better. It's alot easier to lose to someone on KR and praise them for being good but when you have in your head that everyone on NA sucks and then you lose to them, it makes it harder to practice because you put yourself in such a negative mindset. How many times do you hear someone lose and make comments like "omg my opponent is so bad, so bad!" ... after they just lost to them.
Just as a bit of reference, I'm GM on NA and was mid-high masters on KR with similar win percentages - exactly what I expect. If you're high masters on NA then odds are you're going to be midish masters on KR and your win percentage will be similar. But when you say "Oh, I'm mid masters KR with 55% win" you can make yourself feel better and say "yeah NA is shit" and act, ignorantly, superior.
I sincerely hope that whoever is bankrolling this team has a sensible long-term financial plan in place.
The only person on the team who could be classified as not an "unknown" within the StarCraft 2 community is Sia, who is an ex-NSH B-Teamer with zero results. To say that it would be risky investing in a team house for a team of unknown and unproven players would be a massive understatement.
I'm not necessarily even questioning the skill of the players--- I'm just highlighting the fact that every single player has pretty much zero exposure. If eSports history is anything to go by, plopping a team of underexposed players in a team house is rarely a sound business decision.
As an aside, I would suggest trying to improve your overall brand presentation. It comes across as quite unprofessional.
I do not mean to offend or disrespect, however, and from one team staffer to another I do wish the managers good luck.
What most of the community need to come to realize is that DuSt has an amazing staff of managers and players that are 100% devoted, filled with experience. You guys seem to be pointing out "flaws" in our plans, as if we never were gonna anticipate that. Yet, bidoux and I spend night and day, preparing for the unexpected. Its not like we just out of no where decided to launch a team without thinking it over, than saying "yeah, lets bring some Koreans over too!". We spent months and months going over it, looking for leaks and sealing them. We are willing to give up our own living spaces to turn them into a team training house. I don't know why a lot of you guys are thinking that it requires a ton of money to do so. No, it is nothing like the EG lair, but it is a place for the players to relax, game, have peace and interact with the community around them. We are not some college students trying to look for a thrill, troll the community and laugh. We see this as a business, and will treat it as such.
As for "unexposed players" and "unprofessional" gamers, dont we all have to start some where? How did players like Thorzain, Kas, ToD, Grubby, Moon, Axslav, ThomasG, Fury, (even Cruncher!) become so well known in the SC2 community (now come to think of it, all those players were ex-wc3 pros.. where did they come from)?. Point being, anything can happen. Just relax and accept whats happening without being so bitter. Its no fun to keep tossing the same professional players back and forth between different teams. It becomes boring news. You have to think outside of the box for once and realize, what makes this whole experience fun and challenging IS getting the exposure to these newly aquired players we have.
You may critique us and say "its unproffessional like, from one professional to another", but in reality, it was one hell of a introduction made by Bidoux. I dont know what you were looking for, maybe you guys had a power point presentation or something with spread sheets, analyzing your finances, player attributes, wins losses etc. but this is TL, a forum/news community. There is no need to go that far nor disclose all that information. So question is... what exactly is an example of a "professional brand presentation"?
Before you write posts and ask questions to critique our team, please do realize our love and commitment to our players, staff, esports, friends and sc2 community. We are not trying to fail here, we did actually think this whole thing over. The fact that we are not dependent on sponors to succeed, just adds further proof as to why we WILL succeed.
On February 26 2012 16:21 lastshadow wrote: This is great and all, but apart from Sia (who I don't think his English is actually that good from when I've spoken to him in the past) how do you guys honestly expect to improve? The NA server is absolutely god awful, customs won't matter because none of the very best foreigners actually play on NA anymore except for like three.
And then you're going to pull Koreans who are in their best shape, out of their homeland, to deal with language barriers/cultuer shock, and put them in a worse gaming environment ladder/custom wise?
If you were absolutely serious about getting better or improving your team, and making them better, the foreigners should've gone to Korea, not vice-versa. You're about to destroy these Koreans chances of actually improving, by forcing them to play with handicaps and less-intensive practice partners etc.
Sorry, but this is the truth. If anyone's actually serious about being a progamer and not just in it for the money or fun or whatever, they come to Korea and they suck it up. No one can deny the practice here is better than the rest of the world [by far].
And I'm only writing this because I feel like the general(and wrong) belief is just "make a team house anywhere! -> get better!" and that's not how it works. Not to mention you're putting a shit load of burden on Sia, because he's the teams only chance for improvement, and that's if the others actually just accept their mechanics suck compared to his and actually learn through him (even if they don't play Terran) the way all Koreans learn off each other here.
Yeah, because you've done so much and improved a great deal since being in Korea!
Oh wait...you haven't. You got bashed on and cried, switched races and then cried some more. You feel like you're entitled to respect because you went to Korea but you, and many others, have gone to Korea and achieved absolutely nothing. I hear you say how "God awful" foreigners are like you're above them, but you aren't. You've never been able to compete with the top players and that's dating back to BW.
You, Spades, cArn, MajOr, Fenix, Oak, and plenty of other players have gone and trained in Korea and have had no results. Hell, IdrA went back to Korea and hasn't done that well in a tournament since. HuK is the only player who you can attribute being in Korea relative to his success, and even that is debatable; I could easily argue that he would still be a top foreigner if he practiced as hard in Korea as he did outside of it.
People like to make the Korean server out to be some godlike entity when it really isn't the case. At the top of the KR ladder, as in GM MMR, the KR server is much better than the NA server but unless you're at that skill level then playing on NA is the same thing. Until you can max out your MMR on NA and have a 70%+ win ratio there really isn't that much of a benefit from practicing on KR. The ladder system is designed to give you a 50% win ratio, if you're at or around that ratio on any server then switching servers isnt' going to do anything because you're still going to be presed to go 50/50.
The reason players, like yourself, make KR server out to be so much better than it is when they aren't even hitting that MMR on KR is because you can justify your losses better. It's alot easier to lose to someone on KR and praise them for being good but when you have in your head that everyone on NA sucks and then you lose to them, it makes it harder to practice because you put yourself in such a negative mindset. How many times do you hear someone lose and make comments like "omg my opponent is so bad, so bad!" ... after they just lost to them.
Just as a bit of reference, I'm GM on NA and was mid-high masters on KR with similar win percentages - exactly what I expect. If you're high masters on NA then odds are you're going to be midish masters on KR and your win percentage will be similar. But when you say "Oh, I'm mid masters KR with 55% win" you can make yourself feel better and say "yeah NA is shit" and act, ignorantly, superior.
I can't comment on the first part, but what you said about people at 50% winrate on NA going to practice on Korea is so true. I get so annoyed when people tell me how amazing the Korean server is and meanwhile they're like mid masters on NA talking shit about all of the NA players even though they are losing 50% of their games to so called 'terrible players' @__@ :-\
On February 26 2012 16:21 lastshadow wrote: This is great and all, but apart from Sia (who I don't think his English is actually that good from when I've spoken to him in the past) how do you guys honestly expect to improve? The NA server is absolutely god awful, customs won't matter because none of the very best foreigners actually play on NA anymore except for like three.
And then you're going to pull Koreans who are in their best shape, out of their homeland, to deal with language barriers/cultuer shock, and put them in a worse gaming environment ladder/custom wise?
If you were absolutely serious about getting better or improving your team, and making them better, the foreigners should've gone to Korea, not vice-versa. You're about to destroy these Koreans chances of actually improving, by forcing them to play with handicaps and less-intensive practice partners etc.
Sorry, but this is the truth. If anyone's actually serious about being a progamer and not just in it for the money or fun or whatever, they come to Korea and they suck it up. No one can deny the practice here is better than the rest of the world [by far].
And I'm only writing this because I feel like the general(and wrong) belief is just "make a team house anywhere! -> get better!" and that's not how it works. Not to mention you're putting a shit load of burden on Sia, because he's the teams only chance for improvement, and that's if the others actually just accept their mechanics suck compared to his and actually learn through him (even if they don't play Terran) the way all Koreans learn off each other here.
Yeah, because you've done so much and improved a great deal since being in Korea!
Oh wait...you haven't. You got bashed on and cried, switched races and then cried some more. You feel like you're entitled to respect because you went to Korea but you, and many others, have gone to Korea and achieved absolutely nothing. I hear you say how "God awful" foreigners are like you're above them, but you aren't. You've never been able to compete with the top players and that's dating back to BW.
You, Spades, cArn, MajOr, Fenix, Oak, and plenty of other players have gone and trained in Korea and have had no results. Hell, IdrA went back to Korea and hasn't done that well in a tournament since. HuK is the only player who you can attribute being in Korea relative to his success, and even that is debatable; I could easily argue that he would still be a top foreigner if he practiced as hard in Korea as he did outside of it.
People like to make the Korean server out to be some godlike entity when it really isn't the case. At the top of the KR ladder, as in GM MMR, the KR server is much better than the NA server but unless you're at that skill level then playing on NA is the same thing. Until you can max out your MMR on NA and have a 70%+ win ratio there really isn't that much of a benefit from practicing on KR. The ladder system is designed to give you a 50% win ratio, if you're at or around that ratio on any server then switching servers isnt' going to do anything because you're still going to be presed to go 50/50.
The reason players, like yourself, make KR server out to be so much better than it is when they aren't even hitting that MMR on KR is because you can justify your losses better. It's alot easier to lose to someone on KR and praise them for being good but when you have in your head that everyone on NA sucks and then you lose to them, it makes it harder to practice because you put yourself in such a negative mindset. How many times do you hear someone lose and make comments like "omg my opponent is so bad, so bad!" ... after they just lost to them.
Just as a bit of reference, I'm GM on NA and was mid-high masters on KR with similar win percentages - exactly what I expect. If you're high masters on NA then odds are you're going to be midish masters on KR and your win percentage will be similar. But when you say "Oh, I'm mid masters KR with 55% win" you can make yourself feel better and say "yeah NA is shit" and act, ignorantly, superior.
I can't comment on the first part, but what you said about people at 50% winrate on NA going to practice on Korea is so true. I get so annoyed when people tell me how amazing the Korean server is and meanwhile they're like mid masters on NA talking shit about all of the NA players even though they are losing 50% of their games to so called 'terrible players' @__@ :-\
I don't think it ever hurts to play on KR server unless you get terrible latency or you just do it to make excuses for yourself for not being good on NA. But yeah, good players will be good anywhere and shit players will be shit anywhere.
If you are anything below GM and the top of NA masters, and think that being masters league in KR gives you more credibility, you are a total idiot that doesn't even know what high level is.
That being said, imho high level play depends on understanding of the game and mechanics,. If you go to Korea and can't get any practice partners or talk about the game because of the cultural/language barrier, your understanding will probably not increase as much. So if your mechanics improve a lot further than your understanding, your mechanical improvements might stagnate too because you haven't increased your knowledge enough to make use of the extra mechanics. Every player needs to work on different things and the fact that practicing in Korea wont offer everything makes it difficult to say that blindly going to korea will make you better.
Was this gaming house real? I never saw anymore updates about any of the players moving in there or any more pictures or footage of the place except the one in the opening post. Whose currently living in the gaming house and where is it?
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