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On February 14 2012 21:01 Agathon wrote:
As an european, paying $20 and not being able to watch the final because it's in the middle of the night (i work every monday like most of us), it doesn't worth it.
In addition, I guess that ads breaks remains? $20 + no semi final and final + Ads, not a chance...
Good, If you read, the vods will be for free a week later.
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MLG is killing eSports for making it PPV and cost way too much, i think MLG is 4Xs a year, that is $100 per year for games we could just go to TL and watch normally
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Just got an email and it's $15 for Gold members. Not much difference, but it's $5 you save.
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On February 17 2012 11:37 topoulo wrote:
Many legit reasons all over this place
Heres why i Wont be paying.
first i live in europe and it seems as a ripoff consider i usually was semi afk - half asleep or to a club and just having the pc open for mlg to get some viewership credits.
furthemore im not much into sc2 anymore apart few matches and im mostly for the lol ;p
Secondly i dont like to pay for esports , i find it ridiculous at least in their current amateurish formats
Third i fucking hate fake dillimas like pay or esports are dying when every should know that charging something in its infancy only kills it in the long run and have no mistake that esports are just an infant atm
fourth ... srsly in the worst economic depression since 1930 uou thought lets charge for a non significant event ( for the most of us at least) gj the timing was perfect ( not)
Fourth do you guys ever took any pr or marketing classes. so you wanna be the first to pull a ppv in esports and you come with a single pay plan
Again awfull job . why not put a descent 360p stream for couple of bucks heck even charge 2 bucks for each lol , sc2 etc stream. you can easily make 100-200k off that as a profit.
Why then add some 480p for 4-5 bucks with an xtra feat and maybe a 10 dollar plan with 720p and couple of features and then the 20 dollar unlimited stream all features etc etc.
I dont rly see why couple of hundred thousands as extra revenue will be bad in depression times
Fifith the power of mlg comes form the audience , half lame arena tournaments ... no thanks
Ofc you attitude gimme me a couple of million dollars ( least 50k passes x20 like you mentioned in the interview) or else go fuck ur selves im going to my front beach house was the cherry in the pie for me.
With this attitude i think you better start packing
I'm pretty sure the whole reason they're charging is because they don't have enough money to afford the tourney, which makes your logic kinda silly.
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On February 17 2012 02:36 Pippi wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2012 00:05 Evolution wrote:On February 16 2012 23:54 SnuggleZhenya wrote:On February 16 2012 22:08 Evolution wrote:
can you watch your fotball team / basketball team or what ever for free?
Yes, actually. then your lucky ;-) Even if he is lucky, you dont pay mother fing 20 bucks for 1 fotball tournament lol.
No you are right, its per game har. on viasat or canal+
if i want to see 1game its like 20ish bucks
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On February 17 2012 10:26 crux0724 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2012 10:15 P0ckets wrote:On February 17 2012 10:11 crux0724 wrote:On February 17 2012 10:03 P0ckets wrote:On February 17 2012 07:45 crux0724 wrote:
I don't need any credentials because I'm not advising MLG. The reason MLG is charging 20 dollars is because they are bleeding. They are in the red and can't continue their current model so they have to make money or die. More than likely, they need to make a lot of money (based on the 20 dollar initial pricing). Anybody who doesn't question that business isn't thinking properly. Sundance himself last night said MULTIPLE times how many poor business decisions they have made. Companies that make good and wise business decisions aren't in the red. They had to lay off multiple people before Christmas because they are losing money. They only had 10% of their projected gold memberships for the year. Sundance said he's invested more money than he has made in the business. I'm not sure why you wouldn't be questioning the business decisions..... If the MLG is bleeding then why are they paying for the player's flights, board, and meals when they majority of them if not all will have teams or sponsors that are able to cover those expenses? On top of that if they need the money so much how can they even afford to give Gold members like me a discount? If it was so screwed they wouldn't be able to give us a discount. IMO his whole we need money spiel is a charade to get more people to buy his product out of sympathy because he knows we are sucks for the "if you don't support us e-sports will die" line. Did you watch Lo3 last night? If you did you wouldnt need to be asking half of these questions if you didn't then you should probably watch it. MLG isn't doing well and he said none of his competitors are doing well either. The model has to change in order to make money so I agree with that just not the rate of change. I watched it, and if they wanted to do better don't pay for everyone's plane ticket, don't pay for their hotel, don't pay for their food and don't give discounts. Because MLG is doing all oft that it definitely isn't bleeding. When a company starts losing money it goes into Cost Containment, which means it cuts unnecessary things like travel, discounts, and free items. Since they haven't done this I don't believe it is as bad as he makes it out. Plus the majority of us are suckers for the "if you don't support this e-sports will die" line. I mean come on there are better ways to cut cost and corners than bleeding your supporters. Well, you could possibly be right but I would bet they are in the red. One would think that being 15+ trillion dollars in debt would cause the government to go into "cost containment" but they are still scheduled to go into at least 900 billion deeper next year. A company run poorly is going to be run into the ground and from all the signs I see, this company is run poorly. Regardless, I'm done with this subject and I do hope you are right that they are and will become a more successful business. I just won't support them financially until they lower their rates or improve their PR.
It is a lot different when you control the actual money and could even make more or borrow more pretty much out of no where if necessary. Us is still what a AA rated economy? I mean our ability to take on debt is still up there.
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On February 17 2012 10:42 Soap wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2012 10:15 P0ckets wrote:On February 17 2012 10:11 crux0724 wrote:On February 17 2012 10:03 P0ckets wrote:On February 17 2012 07:45 crux0724 wrote:
I don't need any credentials because I'm not advising MLG. The reason MLG is charging 20 dollars is because they are bleeding. They are in the red and can't continue their current model so they have to make money or die. More than likely, they need to make a lot of money (based on the 20 dollar initial pricing). Anybody who doesn't question that business isn't thinking properly. Sundance himself last night said MULTIPLE times how many poor business decisions they have made. Companies that make good and wise business decisions aren't in the red. They had to lay off multiple people before Christmas because they are losing money. They only had 10% of their projected gold memberships for the year. Sundance said he's invested more money than he has made in the business. I'm not sure why you wouldn't be questioning the business decisions..... If the MLG is bleeding then why are they paying for the player's flights, board, and meals when they majority of them if not all will have teams or sponsors that are able to cover those expenses? On top of that if they need the money so much how can they even afford to give Gold members like me a discount? If it was so screwed they wouldn't be able to give us a discount. IMO his whole we need money spiel is a charade to get more people to buy his product out of sympathy because he knows we are sucks for the "if you don't support us e-sports will die" line. Did you watch Lo3 last night? If you did you wouldnt need to be asking half of these questions if you didn't then you should probably watch it. MLG isn't doing well and he said none of his competitors are doing well either. The model has to change in order to make money so I agree with that just not the rate of change. I watched it, and if they wanted to do better don't pay for everyone's plane ticket, don't pay for their hotel, don't pay for their food and don't give discounts. Because MLG is doing all oft that it definitely isn't bleeding. When a company starts losing money it goes into Cost Containment, which means it cuts unnecessary things like travel, discounts, and free items. Since they haven't done this I don't believe it is as bad as he makes it out. Plus the majority of us are suckers for the "if you don't support this e-sports will die" line. I mean come on there are better ways to cut cost and corners than bleeding your supporters. I think you don't quite understand the concept, it's meant for consolidated businesses which may have been lax with costs over time. I doubt MLG has ever been profitable with SC2, the problem is clearly revenue: it currently consists only of sponsorships (unstable, especially since are tied to the console games that are going down the drain, Sundance spoke about barely being able to stream Halo at all) and membership fees (mediocre and grossly underperforming). To have more revenue they're offering a new product, charging what seems fit for that product and players need to be flown there because without them the product doesn't exist. All makes sense to me.
The problem with this is that it is not a new product it is the same one rehashed, people expected it to be given to them for previous payment, and it takes up time a resources which take away from content Gold members could of had.
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On February 17 2012 13:49 VenerableSpace wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2012 12:46 XKirby wrote:
Really interested to see the turn out on this, i'll personally be putting in my 20$. Though 20$ might be steep, if a business model like this can be successful ESports is going to grow rapidly why pay 20$ when another tournament will be free? i certainly wont be paying. id pay for top of the line entertainment with the best players ala code S gsl. no way im paying for MLG even considering the lineup.
If the line up at MLG isn't worth paying for to you then I wonder if you think food is worth buying even. It doesn't get much better than the line up at the MLG Arena. Sounds like excuses you are making for being cheap.
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On February 17 2012 17:27 Evolution wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2012 02:36 Pippi wrote:On February 17 2012 00:05 Evolution wrote:On February 16 2012 23:54 SnuggleZhenya wrote:On February 16 2012 22:08 Evolution wrote:
can you watch your fotball team / basketball team or what ever for free?
Yes, actually. then your lucky ;-) Even if he is lucky, you dont pay mother fing 20 bucks for 1 fotball tournament lol. No you are right, its per game har. on viasat or canal+ if i want to see 1game its like 20ish bucks
Viaplay has a streaming option with all canal+ movies, tv series, the whole of premier league, champions league, and NHL for $25 a month. The individual games are expensive but the monthly package costs only a few bucks more than this three day SC2 tournament.
On February 17 2012 18:36 Youtakenocandle wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2012 13:49 VenerableSpace wrote:On February 17 2012 12:46 XKirby wrote:
Really interested to see the turn out on this, i'll personally be putting in my 20$. Though 20$ might be steep, if a business model like this can be successful ESports is going to grow rapidly why pay 20$ when another tournament will be free? i certainly wont be paying. id pay for top of the line entertainment with the best players ala code S gsl. no way im paying for MLG even considering the lineup. If the line up at MLG isn't worth paying for to you then I wonder if you think food is worth buying even. It doesn't get much better than the line up at the MLG Arena. Sounds like excuses you are making for being cheap.
He said he pays for code S and MLG Area is far from code S.
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On February 17 2012 14:46 Marcus420 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2012 21:01 Agathon wrote:
As an european, paying $20 and not being able to watch the final because it's in the middle of the night (i work every monday like most of us), it doesn't worth it.
In addition, I guess that ads breaks remains? $20 + no semi final and final + Ads, not a chance...
Good, If you read, the vods will be for free a week later.
You do realise vods and watching it live are two different things?
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On February 17 2012 18:40 Telcontar wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2012 14:46 Marcus420 wrote:On February 14 2012 21:01 Agathon wrote:
As an european, paying $20 and not being able to watch the final because it's in the middle of the night (i work every monday like most of us), it doesn't worth it.
In addition, I guess that ads breaks remains? $20 + no semi final and final + Ads, not a chance...
Good, If you read, the vods will be for free a week later. You do realise vods and watching it live are two different things?
Also, I think if you pay for the PPV you don't get ads.
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I would expect greatness and everything working perfectly like a normal TV-sport if I was to pay $20. I don't expect it to really deliver that, and even if it did I would still be hesitant to pay so much just for a qualifier with a much smaller prizepool than other tournaments.
So yes, assembly it is.
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Actually there will be no advertisement on the gameplay and the central stream it says. In Addition to that, gold members get the chance to pay only 15 $ for the whole weekend.
But as some of you already said, the more money comes into the sport the more it sucks because of cheating issues or something else. That for I would rather pay once in a year for the organization of not more than 4 tournaments a year.
Why?
1. if there are much more tournaments, one tournament wont be that exciting anymore.
2. If they have a controlled value of money each year it should be enough to organize the tournaments without any special effects like hymns for each player etc.
If there is too much money in it, the sport fades away and stays in the background of moneymaking. Just look at Soccer or cycling. There we have only doping issues and players who are actually injured but get painkillers and play then. What they get is a destroyed body at the age of 35.
That for I think everyone who wants good sportsvalue should be accepting either advertisements or small annual charges for organization but not more.
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Just got my pass. Can't wait to see how this goes. I had to sell my kids take on 3 more full time jobs and cure cancer to get the funding to buy this ticket but in the end I think the games are going to be sick!
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On February 17 2012 16:02 Slave_Maker wrote:
MLG is killing eSports for making it PPV and cost way too much, i think MLG is 4Xs a year, that is $100 per year for games we could just go to TL and watch normally
This may be the main problem with the community. 4 X 20 = 80. Also, MLG states you get to see the 4 championship events for free just like as year.
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For 20 bucks I would expect some awesome new feature, like First Person Cam option for all streams.
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I had planned to watch Assembly anyway, because of time difference.
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Woho, MLG offered me a $5 discount because I am gold member.
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On February 17 2012 13:49 VenerableSpace wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2012 12:46 XKirby wrote:
Really interested to see the turn out on this, i'll personally be putting in my 20$. Though 20$ might be steep, if a business model like this can be successful ESports is going to grow rapidly why pay 20$ when another tournament will be free? i certainly wont be paying. id pay for top of the line entertainment with the best players ala code S gsl.
Uh if you want code S players then have you seen the Arena line up?
Here is some of the players it features;
Leenock
NaNiwa
DongRaeGu
MVP
HuK
MC
viOLet
NesTea
Parting
LosirA
MarineKing
Oz
TheStC
GanZi
San
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I guess it really depends on how I'm feeling or how buy I am that weekend. I don't really go into a gsl season ready to give them my money. I usually get really bored or hyped my a certain match and then buy it. Same situation here. If huk vs idra. Comes on and I'm home maybe I buy it. But 20 seems like a lot for 1 weekend.
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