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On February 17 2012 05:15 Excludos wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2012 04:42 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On February 17 2012 04:32 Excludos wrote:On February 17 2012 04:29 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
I like what Doa and Destiny and Rumcake said last night before the Axslav vs. Gretorp showmatch:
Do they have a right to charge us money for this event?
Absolutely. It's not like there isn't plenty of free MLG content out there. They're simply testing the waters with a pay-per-view concept. It's not like everyone is going to charge us money for viewing every event all of a sudden.
Do they have a right to charge $20, as opposed to a different amount of money?
Absolutely. Quite frankly, we're spoiled rotten by having nearly everything starcraft-related being free. 20 dollars is nothing. The whole "boo hoo I'm a poor college student" is nonsense. You probably tweet that from your iphone while buying a case of beer. If you really want to see it, you can shell out the few dollars. If you don't think it's worth 20 dollars, then don't buy the product and enjoy the other free content. But it's MLG's event, so they can name their price. They'll find out how big of an audience they end up getting, and adjust accordingly next time.
The problem is that MLG gold members probably assumed they would have free access to special events like these, simply by virtue of buying passes already. Discounts don't really cut it, and I pretty much agree with the slight betrayal that those people are feeling. But as far as everyone else goes... seriously, suck it up. Plenty of sports have some pay-per-view content. 99.99% of our stuff is absolutely free. Some of the whining about business is really exaggerated. Right. You see we are poor -because- we have an interest in computers. Do you really want me to go without a propper phone so I can watch starcraft 2 for a day? Sure I have a good computer, but that is my hobby. Without it, I wouldn't have this interest in sc2 to begin with. But alas. I'm sure you have all the right in the world to say how $20 is nothing in your fulltime job. edit: also. of course MLG can put the price they want. Who are we to stop them? If they want to charge 1000 bucks for an hour of watching. Go ahead. But they will lose some viewers in the process. We're trying to argue whats best for MLG, the community and esports in general here. Not what you personally can afford to pay. Except I'm also a poor college student (I don't have a full time job) and I can shell out 20 bucks if I need to. And so can you, considering you have no problem going out for dinner and drinks but don't want to pay for this content. How do I know you can do this? Here's exactly what you posted before me: On February 17 2012 04:26 Excludos wrote:
You're ruining esports!
I kind of see why, but I think $20 is too much for most people for only 2 days of sc2. Especially for students, and we make up for a big cunch of the community. I will be attending a local barcraft thought, if its not filled up like last time. But last time the bar closed before the finals was even started, because its so late. So even that isn't really optimal. On top of that a ton of people don't have a local barcraft to go to, so the idea of "Don't want to pay? Just attent a local barcraft!" is not a solution. Barcraft is super awesome. I went to one before and it was a blast. But if you have no problem going out to the bar, you can never go around talking about how you're too destitute to scrap up 20 bucks for a product. Instead, you should be admitting that you don't want to, that you don't feel it's worth it. But you can afford it. There's a difference. Make a proper argument. It would be worth it if I was a millionare. But since I'm a student, its not worth it. I CAN afford it no problem, but I have other things I want to spend my money on more. Unlike a millionaire, who really doesn't care about 20 bucks. In short: Students are less likely to pay for it. Gjeez. Didn't think you would pick so much on the spesific words used instead of the actual arguement, which still stands.
So you don't actually care about the content of this event. You only care about money, which you have no problem throwing away on other transient things, but arbitrarily have decided to not put towards watching this event. And you also think that students- the biggest market for this event- are less likely to pay for it (despite there existing plenty of people willing to spend money on MLG passes and other events), you don't think that millionaire's care about spending wisely, and you believe that your argument (which was initially that you can't afford it *because* you're a student) still stands. All right, well I can't really argue with that any more. Enjoy the rest of your day.
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I love esports... but $20 is just insane to me.. I could go to a professional sports game for just a little bit more (maybe not great seats but you get the point) I understand they need to make make profit or try to break even.. There is just NO value here to speak of. GSL is 2-3 months of games for less $ while this is 20 hours worth of entertainment. And tell me what person watching is going to be glaring at their screen for the whole 20 hours? You also lose a HUGE chunk of young viewers.. I would never shell out $20 of my money to let my children watch video games.. nooo way in hell. If it was maybe $5-8 you would reel in a lot more viewers.. Sorry guys but $20 is out of the question.
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No free stream? Is this what SC2 has evolved into? NO FREE LOW QUALITY OPTION?
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Was just about to order a pizza and thought wait a min, lets google the exchange rate right now.
US $20 = £12.65
put my money away and made a sandwich instead plan on buying pass later 
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On February 17 2012 05:38 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2012 05:15 Excludos wrote:On February 17 2012 04:42 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On February 17 2012 04:32 Excludos wrote:On February 17 2012 04:29 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
I like what Doa and Destiny and Rumcake said last night before the Axslav vs. Gretorp showmatch:
Do they have a right to charge us money for this event?
Absolutely. It's not like there isn't plenty of free MLG content out there. They're simply testing the waters with a pay-per-view concept. It's not like everyone is going to charge us money for viewing every event all of a sudden.
Do they have a right to charge $20, as opposed to a different amount of money?
Absolutely. Quite frankly, we're spoiled rotten by having nearly everything starcraft-related being free. 20 dollars is nothing. The whole "boo hoo I'm a poor college student" is nonsense. You probably tweet that from your iphone while buying a case of beer. If you really want to see it, you can shell out the few dollars. If you don't think it's worth 20 dollars, then don't buy the product and enjoy the other free content. But it's MLG's event, so they can name their price. They'll find out how big of an audience they end up getting, and adjust accordingly next time.
The problem is that MLG gold members probably assumed they would have free access to special events like these, simply by virtue of buying passes already. Discounts don't really cut it, and I pretty much agree with the slight betrayal that those people are feeling. But as far as everyone else goes... seriously, suck it up. Plenty of sports have some pay-per-view content. 99.99% of our stuff is absolutely free. Some of the whining about business is really exaggerated. Right. You see we are poor -because- we have an interest in computers. Do you really want me to go without a propper phone so I can watch starcraft 2 for a day? Sure I have a good computer, but that is my hobby. Without it, I wouldn't have this interest in sc2 to begin with. But alas. I'm sure you have all the right in the world to say how $20 is nothing in your fulltime job. edit: also. of course MLG can put the price they want. Who are we to stop them? If they want to charge 1000 bucks for an hour of watching. Go ahead. But they will lose some viewers in the process. We're trying to argue whats best for MLG, the community and esports in general here. Not what you personally can afford to pay. Except I'm also a poor college student (I don't have a full time job) and I can shell out 20 bucks if I need to. And so can you, considering you have no problem going out for dinner and drinks but don't want to pay for this content. How do I know you can do this? Here's exactly what you posted before me: On February 17 2012 04:26 Excludos wrote:
You're ruining esports!
I kind of see why, but I think $20 is too much for most people for only 2 days of sc2. Especially for students, and we make up for a big cunch of the community. I will be attending a local barcraft thought, if its not filled up like last time. But last time the bar closed before the finals was even started, because its so late. So even that isn't really optimal. On top of that a ton of people don't have a local barcraft to go to, so the idea of "Don't want to pay? Just attent a local barcraft!" is not a solution. Barcraft is super awesome. I went to one before and it was a blast. But if you have no problem going out to the bar, you can never go around talking about how you're too destitute to scrap up 20 bucks for a product. Instead, you should be admitting that you don't want to, that you don't feel it's worth it. But you can afford it. There's a difference. Make a proper argument. It would be worth it if I was a millionare. But since I'm a student, its not worth it. I CAN afford it no problem, but I have other things I want to spend my money on more. Unlike a millionaire, who really doesn't care about 20 bucks. In short: Students are less likely to pay for it. Gjeez. Didn't think you would pick so much on the spesific words used instead of the actual arguement, which still stands. So you don't actually care about the content of this event. You only care about money, which you have no problem throwing away on other transient things, but arbitrarily have decided to not put towards watching this event. And you also think that students- the biggest market for this event- are less likely to pay for it (despite there existing plenty of people willing to spend money on MLG passes and other events), you don't think that millionaire's care about spending wisely, and you believe that your argument (which was initially that you can't afford it *because* you're a student) still stands. All right, well I can't really argue with that any more. Enjoy the rest of your day.
Why can't you argue with him? He says he doesn't have enough money to just spend it on whatever he wants he has to set priorities and he thinks that MLG isn't worth spending 20$ on atleast that's what I got out of it.
And he's not alone I am in the exact same situation I have to set priorities where to spend my money on and 20$ for an MLG ticket is just to much to justify it.
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On February 17 2012 05:45 MisterTea wrote:Was just about to order a pizza and thought wait a min, lets google the exchange rate right now. US $20 = £12.65 put my money away and made a sandwich instead plan on buying pass later
plus the bank will add on a currency transfer charge which is a couple of quid
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Everyone is forgetting, the $20 is not for just the event. Indirectly you are paying for all your favorite players to be flown out there, given food, and a free hotel. You're supporting the teams, sponsors, everything. MLG did the least dick move, they spent all their money helping out the players and teams.
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I just got the marketing e-mail for this event. It has to be the worst marketing writing I've seen from a professional organization.
"Production value will be incredibly high. Quality of players, and therefore games, will also be extremely high, because we’re flying 32 of the world’s best to NYC to compete live from our studios. We will be streaming all games from the tournament, live in HD (with lower quality offered as well for those with low bandwidth). And we’re getting some of the best casters in the business to commentate all the action: Tasteless, Artosis, DJ Wheat and JP McDaniel, joined by a host of top up-and-coming talent."
heh
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On February 17 2012 05:46 RvB wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2012 05:38 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On February 17 2012 05:15 Excludos wrote:On February 17 2012 04:42 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On February 17 2012 04:32 Excludos wrote:On February 17 2012 04:29 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
I like what Doa and Destiny and Rumcake said last night before the Axslav vs. Gretorp showmatch:
Do they have a right to charge us money for this event?
Absolutely. It's not like there isn't plenty of free MLG content out there. They're simply testing the waters with a pay-per-view concept. It's not like everyone is going to charge us money for viewing every event all of a sudden.
Do they have a right to charge $20, as opposed to a different amount of money?
Absolutely. Quite frankly, we're spoiled rotten by having nearly everything starcraft-related being free. 20 dollars is nothing. The whole "boo hoo I'm a poor college student" is nonsense. You probably tweet that from your iphone while buying a case of beer. If you really want to see it, you can shell out the few dollars. If you don't think it's worth 20 dollars, then don't buy the product and enjoy the other free content. But it's MLG's event, so they can name their price. They'll find out how big of an audience they end up getting, and adjust accordingly next time.
The problem is that MLG gold members probably assumed they would have free access to special events like these, simply by virtue of buying passes already. Discounts don't really cut it, and I pretty much agree with the slight betrayal that those people are feeling. But as far as everyone else goes... seriously, suck it up. Plenty of sports have some pay-per-view content. 99.99% of our stuff is absolutely free. Some of the whining about business is really exaggerated. Right. You see we are poor -because- we have an interest in computers. Do you really want me to go without a propper phone so I can watch starcraft 2 for a day? Sure I have a good computer, but that is my hobby. Without it, I wouldn't have this interest in sc2 to begin with. But alas. I'm sure you have all the right in the world to say how $20 is nothing in your fulltime job. edit: also. of course MLG can put the price they want. Who are we to stop them? If they want to charge 1000 bucks for an hour of watching. Go ahead. But they will lose some viewers in the process. We're trying to argue whats best for MLG, the community and esports in general here. Not what you personally can afford to pay. Except I'm also a poor college student (I don't have a full time job) and I can shell out 20 bucks if I need to. And so can you, considering you have no problem going out for dinner and drinks but don't want to pay for this content. How do I know you can do this? Here's exactly what you posted before me: On February 17 2012 04:26 Excludos wrote:
You're ruining esports!
I kind of see why, but I think $20 is too much for most people for only 2 days of sc2. Especially for students, and we make up for a big cunch of the community. I will be attending a local barcraft thought, if its not filled up like last time. But last time the bar closed before the finals was even started, because its so late. So even that isn't really optimal. On top of that a ton of people don't have a local barcraft to go to, so the idea of "Don't want to pay? Just attent a local barcraft!" is not a solution. Barcraft is super awesome. I went to one before and it was a blast. But if you have no problem going out to the bar, you can never go around talking about how you're too destitute to scrap up 20 bucks for a product. Instead, you should be admitting that you don't want to, that you don't feel it's worth it. But you can afford it. There's a difference. Make a proper argument. It would be worth it if I was a millionare. But since I'm a student, its not worth it. I CAN afford it no problem, but I have other things I want to spend my money on more. Unlike a millionaire, who really doesn't care about 20 bucks. In short: Students are less likely to pay for it. Gjeez. Didn't think you would pick so much on the spesific words used instead of the actual arguement, which still stands. So you don't actually care about the content of this event. You only care about money, which you have no problem throwing away on other transient things, but arbitrarily have decided to not put towards watching this event. And you also think that students- the biggest market for this event- are less likely to pay for it (despite there existing plenty of people willing to spend money on MLG passes and other events), you don't think that millionaire's care about spending wisely, and you believe that your argument (which was initially that you can't afford it *because* you're a student) still stands. All right, well I can't really argue with that any more. Enjoy the rest of your day. Why can't you argue with him? He says he doesn't have enough money to just spend it on whatever he wants he has to set priorities and he thinks that MLG isn't worth spending 20$ on atleast that's what I got out of it. And he's not alone I am in the exact same situation I have to set priorities where to spend my money on and 20$ for an MLG ticket is just to much to justify it.
His argument was initially the superficial "I'm a student; therefore, it's impossible for me to afford something for $20." It wasn't about prioritizing or the quality of the MLG content. Later on he backtracked and admitted that he would have no problem affording such a thing (when I pointed out that he was already spending plenty of his non-existent money on other luxuries, as were other students including myself), and so he started to sidestep what he had been saying and then just rambled about buying it if he were a millionaire.
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On February 17 2012 05:54 Slardar wrote:
Everyone is forgetting, the $20 is not for just the event. Indirectly you are paying for all your favorite players to be flown out there, given food, and a free hotel. You're supporting the teams, sponsors, everything. MLG did the least dick move, they spent all their money helping out the players and teams.
People are selfish, including myself. You can't expect people to care about all that. The provided entertainment should be worth $20.
I'm one of the people that would have bought a ticket at $10, but 20 just feels wrong for an event like this.
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$20 = 64 PLN, man some ppl from my country must work all day to buy this pass. Its ridiculus prize for only 20 hours of fun. Better to pick up girl and go to cinema + mcdonald + bonus at night
e$port...
Edit: anyway, somebody gonna restream this for free, big mistake by MLG, but u support e$sport. Am i right ?
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On February 17 2012 05:56 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2012 05:46 RvB wrote:On February 17 2012 05:38 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On February 17 2012 05:15 Excludos wrote:On February 17 2012 04:42 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On February 17 2012 04:32 Excludos wrote:On February 17 2012 04:29 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
I like what Doa and Destiny and Rumcake said last night before the Axslav vs. Gretorp showmatch:
Do they have a right to charge us money for this event?
Absolutely. It's not like there isn't plenty of free MLG content out there. They're simply testing the waters with a pay-per-view concept. It's not like everyone is going to charge us money for viewing every event all of a sudden.
Do they have a right to charge $20, as opposed to a different amount of money?
Absolutely. Quite frankly, we're spoiled rotten by having nearly everything starcraft-related being free. 20 dollars is nothing. The whole "boo hoo I'm a poor college student" is nonsense. You probably tweet that from your iphone while buying a case of beer. If you really want to see it, you can shell out the few dollars. If you don't think it's worth 20 dollars, then don't buy the product and enjoy the other free content. But it's MLG's event, so they can name their price. They'll find out how big of an audience they end up getting, and adjust accordingly next time.
The problem is that MLG gold members probably assumed they would have free access to special events like these, simply by virtue of buying passes already. Discounts don't really cut it, and I pretty much agree with the slight betrayal that those people are feeling. But as far as everyone else goes... seriously, suck it up. Plenty of sports have some pay-per-view content. 99.99% of our stuff is absolutely free. Some of the whining about business is really exaggerated. Right. You see we are poor -because- we have an interest in computers. Do you really want me to go without a propper phone so I can watch starcraft 2 for a day? Sure I have a good computer, but that is my hobby. Without it, I wouldn't have this interest in sc2 to begin with. But alas. I'm sure you have all the right in the world to say how $20 is nothing in your fulltime job. edit: also. of course MLG can put the price they want. Who are we to stop them? If they want to charge 1000 bucks for an hour of watching. Go ahead. But they will lose some viewers in the process. We're trying to argue whats best for MLG, the community and esports in general here. Not what you personally can afford to pay. Except I'm also a poor college student (I don't have a full time job) and I can shell out 20 bucks if I need to. And so can you, considering you have no problem going out for dinner and drinks but don't want to pay for this content. How do I know you can do this? Here's exactly what you posted before me: On February 17 2012 04:26 Excludos wrote:
You're ruining esports!
I kind of see why, but I think $20 is too much for most people for only 2 days of sc2. Especially for students, and we make up for a big cunch of the community. I will be attending a local barcraft thought, if its not filled up like last time. But last time the bar closed before the finals was even started, because its so late. So even that isn't really optimal. On top of that a ton of people don't have a local barcraft to go to, so the idea of "Don't want to pay? Just attent a local barcraft!" is not a solution. Barcraft is super awesome. I went to one before and it was a blast. But if you have no problem going out to the bar, you can never go around talking about how you're too destitute to scrap up 20 bucks for a product. Instead, you should be admitting that you don't want to, that you don't feel it's worth it. But you can afford it. There's a difference. Make a proper argument. It would be worth it if I was a millionare. But since I'm a student, its not worth it. I CAN afford it no problem, but I have other things I want to spend my money on more. Unlike a millionaire, who really doesn't care about 20 bucks. In short: Students are less likely to pay for it. Gjeez. Didn't think you would pick so much on the spesific words used instead of the actual arguement, which still stands. So you don't actually care about the content of this event. You only care about money, which you have no problem throwing away on other transient things, but arbitrarily have decided to not put towards watching this event. And you also think that students- the biggest market for this event- are less likely to pay for it (despite there existing plenty of people willing to spend money on MLG passes and other events), you don't think that millionaire's care about spending wisely, and you believe that your argument (which was initially that you can't afford it *because* you're a student) still stands. All right, well I can't really argue with that any more. Enjoy the rest of your day. Why can't you argue with him? He says he doesn't have enough money to just spend it on whatever he wants he has to set priorities and he thinks that MLG isn't worth spending 20$ on atleast that's what I got out of it. And he's not alone I am in the exact same situation I have to set priorities where to spend my money on and 20$ for an MLG ticket is just to much to justify it. His argument was initially the superficial "I'm a student; therefore, it's impossible for me to afford something for $20." It wasn't about prioritizing or the quality of the MLG content. Later on he backtracked and admitted that he would have no problem affording such a thing (when I pointed out that he was already spending plenty of his non-existent money on other luxuries, as were other students including myself), and so he started to sidestep what he had been saying and then just rambled about buying it if he were a millionaire.
I see, I've been fast reading it so I missed some stuff like ' If you really want to see it, you can shell out the few dollars. If you don't think it's worth 20 dollars, then don't buy the product and enjoy the other free content.' you said earlier sorry :p.
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paying for GSL isnt enough? Football is free, and i dont even watch that
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On February 17 2012 05:58 Youtakenocandle wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2012 05:54 Slardar wrote:
Everyone is forgetting, the $20 is not for just the event. Indirectly you are paying for all your favorite players to be flown out there, given food, and a free hotel. You're supporting the teams, sponsors, everything. MLG did the least dick move, they spent all their money helping out the players and teams. People are selfish, including myself. You can't expect people to care about all that. The provided entertainment should be worth $20. I'm one of the people that would have bought a ticket at $10, but 20 just feels wrong for an event like this.
I get that but what can $20 even get you nowadays?! A single pizza with 1 topping or a popcorn and soda at the movie? Literally nothing, but if I want to see an MLG where we have $100,000 first place prize, I'm probably going to start investing into them.
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On February 17 2012 06:02 giorgio wrote:$20 = 64 PLN, man some ppl from my country must work all day to buy this pass. Its ridiculus prize for only 20 hours of fun. Better to pick up girl and go to cinema + mcdonald + bonus at night e$port... Edit: anyway, somebody gonna restream this for free, big mistake by MLG, but u support e$sport. Am i right ?
Sorry to say but there is literally no way pricing developed in the USA or hell even Germany would be "fair" or easily affordable if you come from a lower income country.
I think you are overstating things a bit, the last table of European minimal wages showed Poland at roughly 4 Euro an hour (compared to 7 in Austria and Germany) so it would be more like 3-4 hours of work. For comparison: In austria an evening at the cinema with popcorn and coke will cost more than this ticket (roughly 16 euro).
Personally i feel 20 is a bit high, but it is still within the price window I'm willing to pay. It's an hours work for me, and i'll most likely spend about 8 hours or so watching over the weekend.
And yes, i am sure MLG would love it if they had a similar background as the GSL does (that being that almost every relevant team lives in the same city, so travel costs for the players aren't an issue at all), but that is simply not the case. They either need to do something like this (high budget tournaments where they cover travel expenses of the players) or live with low budget online tournaments with all the accepted problems.
The competition is still hesitant to make that step, but sooner or later every single organisation will have to decide what they want to do to actually make some money. Not even IGN will be able to sink more and more money forever.
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I will support the event, however for the next arena I would like to see open qualifiers. That way we might get to see some players that actually don't have a team backing them.
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I think the majority of people would agree that paying for an event isn't a terrible thing. It's the initial price point that is the issue. The only reason the price will go down is if this event gets neglected. Imagine if every weekend event was a $20 price tag... it's not just 20 dollars anymore. Paying 6 dollars for a gallon of gas isn't a huge deal but it adds up into a big deal. If this idea brings in a lot of money, the price will only go up. It will probably stay the same for the year but then it will be higher. Then every other company will start following a similar model. That's why starting at a more reasonable price (10ish dollars) would be much more appropriate. I understand it's a business and you need to make money with a business. It was a poor decision with the presentation of the PPV and this business has made many poor decisions (Sundance said it himself last night). It's not worth it to me to invest 20 dollars into a poor business model ran by poor management. PPV probably does need to happen, and it does not bother me. Blindly thinking your product is worth X amount without proper polling is pretty stupid and I hope they get burned for it. Those people who think they are supporting esports would be MUCH better off donating money to the teams as opposed to throwing it away on people that have shown they can't manage money well. Starting off with a $20 price point is a move of desperation which means they will continue to act desperate until they get smart with money.
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On February 17 2012 06:24 Slardar wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2012 05:58 Youtakenocandle wrote:On February 17 2012 05:54 Slardar wrote:
Everyone is forgetting, the $20 is not for just the event. Indirectly you are paying for all your favorite players to be flown out there, given food, and a free hotel. You're supporting the teams, sponsors, everything. MLG did the least dick move, they spent all their money helping out the players and teams. People are selfish, including myself. You can't expect people to care about all that. The provided entertainment should be worth $20. I'm one of the people that would have bought a ticket at $10, but 20 just feels wrong for an event like this. I get that but what can $20 even get you nowadays?! A single pizza with 1 topping or a popcorn and soda at the movie? Literally nothing, but if I want to see an MLG where we have $100,000 first place prize, I'm probably going to start investing into them.
Why is it important to you to see a MLG with a 100,000 first place prize? Honestly, that has NO effect on you at all unless you are in the MLG with an actual chance to win it.
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On February 17 2012 06:41 crux0724 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2012 06:24 Slardar wrote:On February 17 2012 05:58 Youtakenocandle wrote:On February 17 2012 05:54 Slardar wrote:
Everyone is forgetting, the $20 is not for just the event. Indirectly you are paying for all your favorite players to be flown out there, given food, and a free hotel. You're supporting the teams, sponsors, everything. MLG did the least dick move, they spent all their money helping out the players and teams. People are selfish, including myself. You can't expect people to care about all that. The provided entertainment should be worth $20. I'm one of the people that would have bought a ticket at $10, but 20 just feels wrong for an event like this. I get that but what can $20 even get you nowadays?! A single pizza with 1 topping or a popcorn and soda at the movie? Literally nothing, but if I want to see an MLG where we have $100,000 first place prize, I'm probably going to start investing into them. Why is it important to you to see a MLG with a 100,000 first place prize? Honestly, that has NO effect on you at all unless you are in the MLG with an actual chance to win it.
I would like to see eSports go onto a global level, that is accepted by society and can be seen as a potential career. There is so much money in the video gaming industry, billions, yet we don't have anything to show for it.
What about you Sir or Madam? What is important to you?
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On February 17 2012 06:44 Slardar wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2012 06:41 crux0724 wrote:On February 17 2012 06:24 Slardar wrote:On February 17 2012 05:58 Youtakenocandle wrote:On February 17 2012 05:54 Slardar wrote:
Everyone is forgetting, the $20 is not for just the event. Indirectly you are paying for all your favorite players to be flown out there, given food, and a free hotel. You're supporting the teams, sponsors, everything. MLG did the least dick move, they spent all their money helping out the players and teams. People are selfish, including myself. You can't expect people to care about all that. The provided entertainment should be worth $20. I'm one of the people that would have bought a ticket at $10, but 20 just feels wrong for an event like this. I get that but what can $20 even get you nowadays?! A single pizza with 1 topping or a popcorn and soda at the movie? Literally nothing, but if I want to see an MLG where we have $100,000 first place prize, I'm probably going to start investing into them. Why is it important to you to see a MLG with a 100,000 first place prize? Honestly, that has NO effect on you at all unless you are in the MLG with an actual chance to win it. I would like to see eSports go onto a global level, that is accepted by society and can be seen as a potential career. There is so much money in the video gaming industry, billions, yet we don't have anything to show for it. What about you Sir or Madam? What is important to you?
It's not going to happen because MLG offers 100,000 dollars. It'll be the other way around.
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