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Blade Fox
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States215 Posts
April 01 2012 01:27 GMT
#141
Just listen to vip.swf great music no annoying douchebaggery-dishing lawyers can complain.

Who doesn't love old video game music we all grew up playing? Exactly.
Blame it on my A.D.D
divito
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada1213 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-01 01:37:11
April 01 2012 01:28 GMT
#142
It shouldn't matter. If I operate a business, and I happen to play CDs that I own on my sound system during business hours and customers happen to be present, the fact that I make money during the playing of music does not make me liable for anything. Streaming falls under the same logic.

Same thing could be said of me if I was a pizza delivery driver. If I drive past a incredibly crowded downtown area, and I have my windows down, and my CDs blasting, I'm supposed to be held to copyright issues because I'm making money? Sorry, but it doesn't work that way.
Skype: divito7
TheSir
Profile Joined February 2012
1830 Posts
April 01 2012 01:28 GMT
#143
On April 01 2012 10:22 emc wrote:
couldn't people just listen to pandora or other internet radio? not sure how that would be illegal if you are just listening to something others can


nope you cant, you dont have the rights to do so. you can listen to it, but you cant expose it to others.
Nabes
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada1800 Posts
April 01 2012 01:31 GMT
#144
On April 01 2012 10:22 emc wrote:
need to get some original beats or ones that aren't protected by copy right. OCremix music is all royalty free and you can listen to that np if you're worried about it. I prefer no music on stream

couldn't people just listen to pandora or other internet radio? not sure how that would be illegal if you are just listening to something others can


Pandora and such make money off people going to their website and gettings ads, so thats why that option is not allowed either because if you got 5 k viewers thats 4999 people not getting ads from pandoras music.
DaCruise
Profile Joined July 2010
Denmark2457 Posts
April 01 2012 01:33 GMT
#145
Havn´t read every single page but it is possible to set up your stream so the audience only get game sound while yourself get both game sound and music?
I would imagine that most streamers listens to music while playing for their own enjoyment anyway and not for the audience.
Gamegene
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States8308 Posts
April 01 2012 01:33 GMT
#146
On April 01 2012 10:33 DaCruise wrote:
Havn´t read every single page but it is possible to set up your stream so the audience only get game sound while yourself get both game sound and music?
I would imagine that most streamers listens to music while playing for their own enjoyment anyway and not for the audience.


that's what nony does
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TheSir
Profile Joined February 2012
1830 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-01 01:41:43
April 01 2012 01:36 GMT
#147
On April 01 2012 10:28 divito wrote:
It shouldn't matter. If I operate a business, and I happen to play CDs that I own on my sound system during business hours and customers happen to be present, the fact that I make money during the playing of music does not make me liable for anything. Streaming falls under the same logic.

Same thing could be said of me if I was a pizza delivery driver. If I drive past a incredibly crowded downtown area, and I have my windows down, and my CDs blasting, I'm supposed to be held to copyright issues because I'm making money?


Uhmm dont know if i understand you point correctly but your not allowed to play your bought cd's to customers, you need a license for that.


fofa2000
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada548 Posts
April 01 2012 01:38 GMT
#148
I don't know US law but I guess small excerpt are fine, but complete songs probably not.
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WolfintheSheep
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada14127 Posts
April 01 2012 01:41 GMT
#149
It absolutely amazes me that 95% of the posters on this thread have absolutely no clue what is illegal under copyright law, yet every one of you would still be liable for thousands of dollars if someone took the time and money to sue you.

Bottom line, if you're playing music that isn't explicitly public domain or creative commons while doing any sort of commercial work, you'd better have a license, or you're probably breaking the law.
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Sublimation
Profile Joined January 2012
Canada25 Posts
April 01 2012 01:41 GMT
#150
It doesn't really make sense for someone to be upset if a streamers using their music since it's basically free advertising...
But I guess as long as its the artists or labels property you can't really do anything if they don't want you to use their music. They could argue that their music is bringing in viewers therefore money. As well they might not want certain people representing their music, i.e. loud-mouths, racists, or anyone with political objectives. I know many musicians prefer to keep their music as neutral as possible. I mean how much would it suck if suddenly one of your songs is suddenly associated with a skin head (assuming your against that kind of thing...o_O)
WolfintheSheep
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada14127 Posts
April 01 2012 01:43 GMT
#151
On April 01 2012 10:28 divito wrote:
It shouldn't matter. If I operate a business, and I happen to play CDs that I own on my sound system during business hours and customers happen to be present, the fact that I make money during the playing of music does not make me liable for anything. Streaming falls under the same logic.


That's infringing on copyright. "Streaming falls under the same logic" indeed.

Same thing could be said of me if I was a pizza delivery driver. If I drive past a incredibly crowded downtown area, and I have my windows down, and my CDs blasting, I'm supposed to be held to copyright issues because I'm making money? Sorry, but it doesn't work that way.


Entirely depends on if someone can argue to a judge that you're playing the music to attract customers. See Ice Cream trucks and their jingles.
Average means I'm better than half of you.
divito
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada1213 Posts
April 01 2012 01:44 GMT
#152
On April 01 2012 10:36 TheSir wrote:
Uhmm dont know if i understand you point correctly but your not allowed to play your bought cd's to customers, you need a license for that.

True in the US; can't speak to other locations though. Small businesses are only exempt from playing radio and television programs in the vicinity of customers. Live performances and CDs/tapes still require a license. If you want to know what constitutes a small business, I can post the numbers.
Skype: divito7
divito
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada1213 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-01 01:50:51
April 01 2012 01:46 GMT
#153
On April 01 2012 10:43 WolfintheSheep wrote:
That's infringing on copyright. "Streaming falls under the same logic" indeed.

In the US, it does, yes. (To elaborate, I'm under the impression that in Canada, it's not the case, or at least hasn't fully been explored by the copyright movement and the courts. A friend of mine was taken to court in 2010 over his music playing in his leased space where he does graphic design and other consulting. He won, though I'd have to see if I can grab a copy of the judgement. From what I remember, it was just a small claim too.)

On April 01 2012 10:43 WolfintheSheep wrote:
Entirely depends on if someone can argue to a judge that you're playing the music to attract customers. See Ice Cream trucks and their jingles.

You're making the argument that a pizza delivery driver's music is a means of attracting customers to the pizza establishment for which they work?
Skype: divito7
Najda
Profile Joined June 2010
United States3765 Posts
April 01 2012 01:47 GMT
#154
If this is true and it is really illegal (I remember a big deal was made about this exact issue about a year ago or something), what is the difference between a streamer and a DJ in terms of legal leeway?
Hipsv
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
135 Posts
April 01 2012 01:48 GMT
#155
Wouldn't a simple way around this to be streaming and playing a radio station instead of a playlist?
J.E.G.
Profile Joined May 2010
United States389 Posts
April 01 2012 01:49 GMT
#156
I'm sure the same thing could apply to twitch.tv as is applied to bars and venues w/ music. Basically they pay a "blanket" licensing fee to ASCAP or BMI (copyright organizations that collect royalties from various media outlets) that allows them to broadcast copy written material. A small part of these licensing fees go to artists as royalty. I believe in radio, the fee is per song, while venues and bars pay a higher rate and are basically free to play whatever they want without worrying about copyright issues.
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WolfintheSheep
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada14127 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-01 01:50:51
April 01 2012 01:49 GMT
#157
On April 01 2012 10:47 Najda wrote:
If this is true and it is really illegal (I remember a big deal was made about this exact issue about a year ago or something), what is the difference between a streamer and a DJ in terms of legal leeway?

An official license that they pay for.

On April 01 2012 10:48 Hipsv wrote:
Wouldn't a simple way around this to be streaming and playing a radio station instead of a playlist?

Not unless you find a radio station that has license to broadcast to every country in the world.
Average means I'm better than half of you.
Rockztar
Profile Joined June 2011
Denmark210 Posts
April 01 2012 01:50 GMT
#158
I don't know if this counts in Starcraft, but I used to watch a lot of Rock Band/Guitar Hero vids. Obviously this is known copyrighted music being published in video, but there was some sort of rule that if the music was disrupted by something(such as drumming on the Rock Band drum kit) it would be allowed, so that the music wasn't sounding like "originally". I guess it could be like this as well in SC2 that as long as you can hear the SC2 game sounds over the music it could be allowed. I'm not entirely sure who decides this however.
TheSir
Profile Joined February 2012
1830 Posts
April 01 2012 01:52 GMT
#159
On April 01 2012 10:44 divito wrote:
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On April 01 2012 10:36 TheSir wrote:
Uhmm dont know if i understand you point correctly but your not allowed to play your bought cd's to customers, you need a license for that.

True in the US; can't speak to other locations though. Small businesses are only exempt from playing radio and television programs in the vicinity of customers. Live performances and CDs/tapes still require a license. If you want to know what constitutes a small business, I can post the numbers.


Well in most country's in Europe it's the same, except even small businesses have to pay for everything. A friend of mine owns a small diner which he runs by himself and he needs to pay fees to have a radio or tv in his diner. As long as your customers can see/hear the radio/tv you need to pay fees, doesn't matter how big your business is.
WolfintheSheep
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada14127 Posts
April 01 2012 01:52 GMT
#160
On April 01 2012 10:50 Rockztar wrote:
I don't know if this counts in Starcraft, but I used to watch a lot of Rock Band/Guitar Hero vids. Obviously this is known copyrighted music being published in video, but there was some sort of rule that if the music was disrupted by something(such as drumming on the Rock Band drum kit) it would be allowed, so that the music wasn't sounding like "originally". I guess it could be like this as well in SC2 that as long as you can hear the SC2 game sounds over the music it could be allowed. I'm not entirely sure who decides this however.

...that rule does not exist. It sounds like something a highschool kid made up.

Rock Band and Guitar Hero videos are also copyright infringing, they're just overlooked. Unless the videogame licenses actually allow 3rd party broadcasting, but that's extremely doubtful.
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