EPTWho doesn't love old video game music we all grew up playing? Exactly.
Music copyright issue. Are streamers immune to it? - Page 8
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Blade Fox
United States215 Posts
Who doesn't love old video game music we all grew up playing? Exactly. | ||
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divito
Canada1213 Posts
Same thing could be said of me if I was a pizza delivery driver. If I drive past a incredibly crowded downtown area, and I have my windows down, and my CDs blasting, I'm supposed to be held to copyright issues because I'm making money? Sorry, but it doesn't work that way. | ||
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TheSir
1830 Posts
On April 01 2012 10:22 emc wrote: couldn't people just listen to pandora or other internet radio? not sure how that would be illegal if you are just listening to something others can nope you cant, you dont have the rights to do so. you can listen to it, but you cant expose it to others. | ||
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Nabes
Canada1800 Posts
On April 01 2012 10:22 emc wrote: need to get some original beats or ones that aren't protected by copy right. OCremix music is all royalty free and you can listen to that np if you're worried about it. I prefer no music on stream couldn't people just listen to pandora or other internet radio? not sure how that would be illegal if you are just listening to something others can Pandora and such make money off people going to their website and gettings ads, so thats why that option is not allowed either because if you got 5 k viewers thats 4999 people not getting ads from pandoras music. | ||
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DaCruise
Denmark2457 Posts
I would imagine that most streamers listens to music while playing for their own enjoyment anyway and not for the audience. | ||
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Gamegene
United States8308 Posts
On April 01 2012 10:33 DaCruise wrote: Havn´t read every single page but it is possible to set up your stream so the audience only get game sound while yourself get both game sound and music? I would imagine that most streamers listens to music while playing for their own enjoyment anyway and not for the audience. that's what nony does | ||
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TheSir
1830 Posts
On April 01 2012 10:28 divito wrote: It shouldn't matter. If I operate a business, and I happen to play CDs that I own on my sound system during business hours and customers happen to be present, the fact that I make money during the playing of music does not make me liable for anything. Streaming falls under the same logic. Same thing could be said of me if I was a pizza delivery driver. If I drive past a incredibly crowded downtown area, and I have my windows down, and my CDs blasting, I'm supposed to be held to copyright issues because I'm making money? Uhmm dont know if i understand you point correctly but your not allowed to play your bought cd's to customers, you need a license for that. | ||
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fofa2000
Canada548 Posts
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WolfintheSheep
Canada14127 Posts
Bottom line, if you're playing music that isn't explicitly public domain or creative commons while doing any sort of commercial work, you'd better have a license, or you're probably breaking the law. | ||
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Sublimation
Canada25 Posts
But I guess as long as its the artists or labels property you can't really do anything if they don't want you to use their music. They could argue that their music is bringing in viewers therefore money. As well they might not want certain people representing their music, i.e. loud-mouths, racists, or anyone with political objectives. I know many musicians prefer to keep their music as neutral as possible. I mean how much would it suck if suddenly one of your songs is suddenly associated with a skin head (assuming your against that kind of thing...o_O) | ||
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WolfintheSheep
Canada14127 Posts
On April 01 2012 10:28 divito wrote: It shouldn't matter. If I operate a business, and I happen to play CDs that I own on my sound system during business hours and customers happen to be present, the fact that I make money during the playing of music does not make me liable for anything. Streaming falls under the same logic. That's infringing on copyright. "Streaming falls under the same logic" indeed. Same thing could be said of me if I was a pizza delivery driver. If I drive past a incredibly crowded downtown area, and I have my windows down, and my CDs blasting, I'm supposed to be held to copyright issues because I'm making money? Sorry, but it doesn't work that way. Entirely depends on if someone can argue to a judge that you're playing the music to attract customers. See Ice Cream trucks and their jingles. | ||
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divito
Canada1213 Posts
On April 01 2012 10:36 TheSir wrote: Uhmm dont know if i understand you point correctly but your not allowed to play your bought cd's to customers, you need a license for that. True in the US; can't speak to other locations though. Small businesses are only exempt from playing radio and television programs in the vicinity of customers. Live performances and CDs/tapes still require a license. If you want to know what constitutes a small business, I can post the numbers. | ||
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divito
Canada1213 Posts
On April 01 2012 10:43 WolfintheSheep wrote: That's infringing on copyright. "Streaming falls under the same logic" indeed. In the US, it does, yes. (To elaborate, I'm under the impression that in Canada, it's not the case, or at least hasn't fully been explored by the copyright movement and the courts. A friend of mine was taken to court in 2010 over his music playing in his leased space where he does graphic design and other consulting. He won, though I'd have to see if I can grab a copy of the judgement. From what I remember, it was just a small claim too.) On April 01 2012 10:43 WolfintheSheep wrote: Entirely depends on if someone can argue to a judge that you're playing the music to attract customers. See Ice Cream trucks and their jingles. You're making the argument that a pizza delivery driver's music is a means of attracting customers to the pizza establishment for which they work? | ||
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Najda
United States3765 Posts
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Hipsv
135 Posts
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J.E.G.
United States389 Posts
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WolfintheSheep
Canada14127 Posts
On April 01 2012 10:47 Najda wrote: If this is true and it is really illegal (I remember a big deal was made about this exact issue about a year ago or something), what is the difference between a streamer and a DJ in terms of legal leeway? An official license that they pay for. On April 01 2012 10:48 Hipsv wrote: Wouldn't a simple way around this to be streaming and playing a radio station instead of a playlist? Not unless you find a radio station that has license to broadcast to every country in the world. | ||
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Rockztar
Denmark210 Posts
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TheSir
1830 Posts
On April 01 2012 10:44 divito wrote: True in the US; can't speak to other locations though. Small businesses are only exempt from playing radio and television programs in the vicinity of customers. Live performances and CDs/tapes still require a license. If you want to know what constitutes a small business, I can post the numbers. Well in most country's in Europe it's the same, except even small businesses have to pay for everything. A friend of mine owns a small diner which he runs by himself and he needs to pay fees to have a radio or tv in his diner. As long as your customers can see/hear the radio/tv you need to pay fees, doesn't matter how big your business is. | ||
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WolfintheSheep
Canada14127 Posts
On April 01 2012 10:50 Rockztar wrote: I don't know if this counts in Starcraft, but I used to watch a lot of Rock Band/Guitar Hero vids. Obviously this is known copyrighted music being published in video, but there was some sort of rule that if the music was disrupted by something(such as drumming on the Rock Band drum kit) it would be allowed, so that the music wasn't sounding like "originally". I guess it could be like this as well in SC2 that as long as you can hear the SC2 game sounds over the music it could be allowed. I'm not entirely sure who decides this however. ...that rule does not exist. It sounds like something a highschool kid made up. Rock Band and Guitar Hero videos are also copyright infringing, they're just overlooked. Unless the videogame licenses actually allow 3rd party broadcasting, but that's extremely doubtful. | ||
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