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GhostLink
Profile Joined January 2011
United States450 Posts
April 01 2012 03:52 GMT
#181
I honestly hate copyright laws in general. AS Anonymous said, intelligence and information should not count as property. Once information is out in the public, anyone who wants can recreate it, and there are no physical boundaries stopping one, but these laws. The media manufacturing giants fail to create a free usable distribution platform, so it is their fault, and copyright laws are just an excuse.
Let a man play chess, and tell him that every pawn is his friend. Let him think both bishops holy. Let him remember happy days in the shadows of his castles. Let him love his queen. Watch him lose them all.
RmoteCntrld
Profile Joined June 2010
United States596 Posts
April 01 2012 03:55 GMT
#182
I don't see how anyone should care since they aren't really making money off the music. No one tunes into hear the music iNcontrol is playing they tune in to see him play SC2
askTeivospy
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
1525 Posts
April 01 2012 03:55 GMT
#183
On April 01 2012 12:52 GhostLink wrote:
I honestly hate copyright laws in general. AS Anonymous said, intelligence and information should not count as property. Once information is out in the public, anyone who wants can recreate it, and there are no physical boundaries stopping one, but these laws. The media manufacturing giants fail to create a free usable distribution platform, so it is their fault, and copyright laws are just an excuse.


well if intelligence is free for everyone, why give mine to someone who didn't earn/work/create/deserve it? Altruism is overrated
hihihi
RoyAlex
Profile Joined August 2010
Norway420 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-01 04:21:55
April 01 2012 04:03 GMT
#184
On April 01 2012 12:44 Shiori wrote:
fortunately most counties don't have the ridiculous laws that the USA does regarding copyrights and IP, which means it's unlikely that any user found guilty of supposed infringement will receive any more consequences than simply having their account banned. unless you're some sort of pirate mogul, don't expect to be extradited.

it's not stealing at all and anyone who thinks it is is a fool and committing a logical fallacy of assumption re future sales.


Nobody! fucking NOBODY cares about the people who would not buy or listen(on a legit radio/steam that actually pays money to a administrator copyrights organisations(sry i don't know what it's called, just whatever the equivalent to www.tono.no would be to Norway)) to that track/song anyway no matter what, but... people care about the ones that maybe would consider buying that track/song. ! -_- !
GhostLink
Profile Joined January 2011
United States450 Posts
April 01 2012 04:04 GMT
#185
On April 01 2012 12:55 askTeivospy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 01 2012 12:52 GhostLink wrote:
I honestly hate copyright laws in general. AS Anonymous said, intelligence and information should not count as property. Once information is out in the public, anyone who wants can recreate it, and there are no physical boundaries stopping one, but these laws. The media manufacturing giants fail to create a free usable distribution platform, so it is their fault, and copyright laws are just an excuse.


well if intelligence is free for everyone, why give mine to someone who didn't earn/work/create/deserve it? Altruism is overrated



They could sell their original records, that would make a TON of money. So it's not altruism. But once that is out in the public, they shouldn't be any laws preventing users from recreating, sharing, and broadcasting it. Companies should take that as free advertising for their content.

I mean this is why we resisted SOPA/PIPA in the first place, come on guys!
Let a man play chess, and tell him that every pawn is his friend. Let him think both bishops holy. Let him remember happy days in the shadows of his castles. Let him love his queen. Watch him lose them all.
RoyAlex
Profile Joined August 2010
Norway420 Posts
April 01 2012 04:05 GMT
#186
On April 01 2012 12:55 RmoteCntrld wrote:
I don't see how anyone should care since they aren't really making money off the music. No one tunes into hear the music iNcontrol is playing they tune in to see him play SC2


Ofc nobody cares if they are not involved......... -.-. Probaby true, so streamers should stop streaming Copyright music. Everyone who steams copyright music should be banned from Twitch.tv after getting warnings.
Ghost.573
Profile Joined August 2010
United States126 Posts
April 01 2012 04:05 GMT
#187
The problem is that many players just listen to music on instinct... Its not giving it away, its how they play and its what they are used to hearing while playing. If twitch starts pulling streams due to music playing in the background they will lose many of their streamers or the streams will just be silent.

Overall it would be pathetic of them to do any such thing because its not like the streamers are making money off of the music. They make money from the advertisements that they play and honestly companies should be happy. If a big player listens to a certain artist a lot, than many people will hear it and possibly buy the music themselves.
Ghost.573
Profile Joined August 2010
United States126 Posts
April 01 2012 04:06 GMT
#188
On April 01 2012 13:05 RoyAlex wrote:
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On April 01 2012 12:55 RmoteCntrld wrote:
I don't see how anyone should care since they aren't really making money off the music. No one tunes into hear the music iNcontrol is playing they tune in to see him play SC2


Ofc nobody cares if they are not involved......... -.-. Probaby true, so streamers should stop streaming Copyright music. Everyone who steams copyright music should be banned from Twitch.tv after getting warnings.

Get over it. Would you rather just hear a silent stream? I mean seriously, its not hurting anybody and there should be nothing done about it unless the music companies raise an alarm. I for one would never watch a stream if it was just silent while they were playing.
Ghost.573
Profile Joined August 2010
United States126 Posts
April 01 2012 04:09 GMT
#189
On April 01 2012 11:35 TheSir wrote:
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On April 01 2012 11:04 Maxd11 wrote:
It's illegal but nobody cares and as it's been put before "the record companies have bigger fish to fry".


I heard the same thing 10 years ago when people started showing vid's and songs on their blogs, no one would care.. well look what happened to that.
It's just a matter of time before a organization is tipped about gamers who stream with copyrighted music and then they and twitch/owned/justin etc etc have a big problem.

If i was twitch/owned etc i wouldn't even allow my users to stream copyrighted material unless they have a license, they could get in to pretty big problems.

Then i guess that means that every sc2 stream has to be shut down. I mean SC2 itself is copyrighted material. Im willing to bet that very few have the rights to stream it either. So if music is shut down than individual streams would have to be shut down as well
Ghost.573
Profile Joined August 2010
United States126 Posts
April 01 2012 04:16 GMT
#190
On April 01 2012 10:52 WolfintheSheep wrote:
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On April 01 2012 10:50 Rockztar wrote:
I don't know if this counts in Starcraft, but I used to watch a lot of Rock Band/Guitar Hero vids. Obviously this is known copyrighted music being published in video, but there was some sort of rule that if the music was disrupted by something(such as drumming on the Rock Band drum kit) it would be allowed, so that the music wasn't sounding like "originally". I guess it could be like this as well in SC2 that as long as you can hear the SC2 game sounds over the music it could be allowed. I'm not entirely sure who decides this however.

...that rule does not exist. It sounds like something a highschool kid made up.

Rock Band and Guitar Hero videos are also copyright infringing, they're just overlooked. Unless the videogame licenses actually allow 3rd party broadcasting, but that's extremely doubtful.

No its true lmao... thats why on youtube people slightly slow down or speed up a song. Its not the original and thus the artist does not own it.
RoyAlex
Profile Joined August 2010
Norway420 Posts
April 01 2012 04:19 GMT
#191
On April 01 2012 12:52 GhostLink wrote:
I honestly hate copyright laws in general. AS Anonymous said, intelligence and information should not count as property. Once information is out in the public, anyone who wants can recreate it, and there are no physical boundaries stopping one, but these laws. The media manufacturing giants fail to create a free usable distribution platform, so it is their fault, and copyright laws are just an excuse.


Physical boundaries stopping one... You clearly don't understand the digital world.
The laws should involve, understand & pay attention to the digital world. Just because something is "out" in the digital world, it should not just be free to everyone to rape it into whatever/how they want.

There are several free usable distribution platform(like radio), but until Twitch.tv start paying royalties to the Artists they are an illegal way of distributing copyrighted music.

Music artist most clearly needs to be supported if Twitch want to streamers to play copyrighted music live on stream. The money of ads (or ANY MADE MONEY!! streaming involved copyrighted music) should not only go to the broadcaster or Justin.tv/Twitch.tv but to ALL THE PARTIES INVOLED !!! : Broadcaster, Twitch.tv & Music artists/lables.

FUCK ! This thread is hell to me.....
S_SienZ
Profile Joined September 2011
1878 Posts
April 01 2012 04:21 GMT
#192
On April 01 2012 12:52 GhostLink wrote:
I honestly hate copyright laws in general. AS Anonymous said, intelligence and information should not count as property. Once information is out in the public, anyone who wants can recreate it, and there are no physical boundaries stopping one, but these laws. The media manufacturing giants fail to create a free usable distribution platform, so it is their fault, and copyright laws are just an excuse.


You clearly have no idea how copyright laws work. They protect a certain expression of an idea not the idea itself. You're thinking about patents and there's a reason why it's a lot harder to get one.
S_SienZ
Profile Joined September 2011
1878 Posts
April 01 2012 04:28 GMT
#193
On April 01 2012 11:29 TBone- wrote:
I think we're all ignoring it and praying that nobody cares. I am curious what NASL season 2 finals did because they used almost all copywritten material. Specifically with the player intros.


They paid the fees to be licensed. JP said so on SOTG and said those fees are why you won't be seeing something like that at an MLG.
Sublimation
Profile Joined January 2012
Canada25 Posts
April 01 2012 04:32 GMT
#194
What I'm getting from this thread a lot is that many copy right laws get ignored which really only goes to support that they are outdated
RoyAlex
Profile Joined August 2010
Norway420 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-01 04:41:48
April 01 2012 04:41 GMT
#195
On April 01 2012 13:28 S_SienZ wrote:
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On April 01 2012 11:29 TBone- wrote:
I think we're all ignoring it and praying that nobody cares. I am curious what NASL season 2 finals did because they used almost all copywritten material. Specifically with the player intros.


They paid the fees to be licensed. JP said so on SOTG and said those fees are why you won't be seeing something like that at an MLG.


Hm, yes that is an interesting question. Im going to guess Dreamhack payed those rights, but I imagine (and only imagine/guess) those rights would be more expensive in America (home of Hollywood & Copyright) than in any other country, especially Sweden or any other Scandinavian country.
S_SienZ
Profile Joined September 2011
1878 Posts
April 01 2012 04:44 GMT
#196
On April 01 2012 13:41 RoyAlex wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 01 2012 13:28 S_SienZ wrote:
On April 01 2012 11:29 TBone- wrote:
I think we're all ignoring it and praying that nobody cares. I am curious what NASL season 2 finals did because they used almost all copywritten material. Specifically with the player intros.


They paid the fees to be licensed. JP said so on SOTG and said those fees are why you won't be seeing something like that at an MLG.


Hm, yes that is an interesting question. Im going to guess Dreamhack payed those rights, but I imagine (and only imagine/guess) those rights would be more expensive in America (home of Hollywood & Copyright) than in any other country, especially Sweden or any other Scandinavian country.


It should be the same to be honest. Copyright arises automatically upon creation of the work and is worldwide while patents have to be registered individually in every region to get protection. So I don't think copyright would have regional differences.

Copyright also started in UK iirc, google Statute of Anne.
RoyAlex
Profile Joined August 2010
Norway420 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-01 04:51:46
April 01 2012 04:50 GMT
#197
On April 01 2012 13:44 S_SienZ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 01 2012 13:41 RoyAlex wrote:
On April 01 2012 13:28 S_SienZ wrote:
On April 01 2012 11:29 TBone- wrote:
I think we're all ignoring it and praying that nobody cares. I am curious what NASL season 2 finals did because they used almost all copywritten material. Specifically with the player intros.


They paid the fees to be licensed. JP said so on SOTG and said those fees are why you won't be seeing something like that at an MLG.


Hm, yes that is an interesting question. Im going to guess Dreamhack payed those rights, but I imagine (and only imagine/guess) those rights would be more expensive in America (home of Hollywood & Copyright) than in any other country, especially Sweden or any other Scandinavian country.


It should be the same to be honest. Copyright arises automatically upon creation of the work and is worldwide while patents have to be registered individually in every region to get protection. So I don't think copyright would have regional differences.

Copyright also started in UK iirc, google Statute of Anne.


Oh okey, i just presumed that America might have different standards than the rest of the world, and other contries have different prices/standards. I know that I get instant Copyright on whatever I create & is worldwide. It never occurred to me to research the different standards bit (since it's not really my job) but I think I will just to get a better picture of the big thing. =)
Stropheum
Profile Joined January 2010
United States1124 Posts
April 01 2012 04:52 GMT
#198
Streamers make significantly less ad revenue for streaming copyrighted music. That's why destiny stopped playing anything with a copyright a few months back. So no, they're not immune.
polysciguy
Profile Joined August 2010
United States488 Posts
April 01 2012 04:59 GMT
#199
well copyright laws also depend on the countries in question as well. various countries have different copyright laws on the same type of media, for example the US has a author life+70 years copyright on all materials after 1978, any copyright prior to 1923 is expired and must be renewed by the author/creator. from 1923-1977 its a 95 year copyright from publication date, 28 years if the copyright was not renewed. Whereas the UK for audio recordings, is 70 years after release or if unreleased, 70 years after making.
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iAmiAnC
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom317 Posts
April 01 2012 05:58 GMT
#200
On April 01 2012 13:52 Stropheum wrote:
Streamers make significantly less ad revenue for streaming copyrighted music. That's why destiny stopped playing anything with a copyright a few months back. So no, they're not immune.


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