EPTJust don't be quiet and accept it. Back when people weren't interconnected companies could do whatever bad service they wanted because the bad words spread very slowly or not at all because good publicity by media would silence it. These days a single post on a blog can get a lot of attention, and this kind of power to spread the word the user has is something companies have to take in consideration if they don't want the internet to form a negative opinion about them and ruin their image.
Music copyright issue. Are streamers immune to it? - Page 12
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Apolo
Portugal1259 Posts
Just don't be quiet and accept it. Back when people weren't interconnected companies could do whatever bad service they wanted because the bad words spread very slowly or not at all because good publicity by media would silence it. These days a single post on a blog can get a lot of attention, and this kind of power to spread the word the user has is something companies have to take in consideration if they don't want the internet to form a negative opinion about them and ruin their image. | ||
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KrsOne
United States64 Posts
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S_SienZ
1878 Posts
On April 01 2012 20:48 KrsOne wrote: Is no one in the music industry for the love of it? I for one would be happy to know people were enjoying my music. It's the record label who sue (normally), not the artist. | ||
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Zocat
Germany2229 Posts
On April 01 2012 19:09 hifriend wrote: Streaming blizzard content in itself is probably ground for copyright infringement, no? Fortunately it's not really worth going after, and the notion of individual streamers paying royalties for music is completely unrealistic. http://eu.blizzard.com/en-gb/company/legal/videopolicy.html | ||
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OsoVega
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Fyrewolf
United States1533 Posts
On April 01 2012 20:48 KrsOne wrote: Is no one in the music industry for the love of it? I for one would be happy to know people were enjoying my music. I enjoy your music. I still pop in the Keep Right cd you gave me at a concert for free, that was awesome. Thank you. | ||
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KrsOne
United States64 Posts
On April 01 2012 21:00 Fyrewolf wrote: I enjoy your music. I still pop in the Keep Right cd you gave me at a concert for free, that was awesome. Thank you. Dig it | ||
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LJ
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TheSir
1830 Posts
On April 01 2012 19:50 RoyAlex wrote: You don't need to pay anything, but Twitch.tv does, if they want streamers to also stream music. And again we are not talking about Gaga, but Bob. One of artists that does not belong in the top 1% which recives an ridiculous amount of money, but rather lives in the middle range and actually will severely notice if the paycheck don't come in this month. There are no licenses that allow your users to stream copyrighted material. Each streamer who wants to stream copyrighted music needs a license of his own, Twitch cant do anything about that. | ||
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DreaIVIS
Finland130 Posts
On April 01 2012 21:03 LJ wrote: It's copyright infringement but I don't think anyone would care because it is certainly not the focal point of any of the streams and they are not profiting from the music. This sort has thing has been going on since way before the internet existed They removed my stream yesterday entirely without further notice. It's kind of scary that they can actually remove a stream just by request and the burden of proof that I wasn't playing copyrighted material is on the streamer. I would have to send signed letters to U.S if I believe that my stream was taken down by error. Not to mention that they don't tell me that what the copyrighted material was. I have no possibility to defend myself here before they remove the stream. I lost all my followers and views, not to mention the VOD's. | ||
GinDo
3327 Posts
On April 01 2012 21:17 DreaIVIS wrote: They removed my stream yesterday entirely without further notice. It's kind of scary that they can actually remove a stream just by request and the burden of proof that I wasn't playing copyrighted material is on the streamer. I would have to send signed letters to U.S if I believe that my stream was taken down by error. Not to mention that they don't tell me that what the copyrighted material was. I have no possibility to defend myself here before they remove the stream. I lost all my followers and views, not to mention the VOD's. No more AOE? T_T | ||
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iAmiAnC
United Kingdom317 Posts
On April 01 2012 21:17 DreaIVIS wrote: They removed my stream yesterday entirely without further notice. It's kind of scary that they can actually remove a stream just by request and the burden of proof that I wasn't playing copyrighted material is on the streamer. I would have to send signed letters to U.S if I believe that my stream was taken down by error. Not to mention that they don't tell me that what the copyrighted material was. I have no possibility to defend myself here before they remove the stream. I lost all my followers and views, not to mention the VOD's. What service, Twitch, own3d? Were you streaming music full volume all the time or just some music in the background while doing commentary? What type of music were you listening to, big names? Infact, do we even know its music related - rather than streaming Age of Empires related? I know Blizzard have very generous rules when it comes to streaming their games, and even generating revenue from them. Youtube, JustinTV etc. partnership schemes are specifically mentioned in their policy (as being OK) which is pretty considerate of them. I'm also curious what it said in the message informing you that your stream had been removed, can you share any details? Thanks Personally I listen to music while I play and when I'm streaming its audible (but heavily turned down) with commentary being about 3x louder than the music. I guess thats no good either. I don't really want to splash out on a program like VAC just to prevent my music being picked up on stream, does any1 have some unobtrusive alternatives (free)? I see plenty of big streamers just blasting out music 24/7 /w no commentary to thousands of viewers on a regular basis, is it just pot luck do we think? | ||
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juusoko
Finland79 Posts
This is bound to change at some point, if esports keeps growing though. Even now individual player's streams are getting 10 000 viewers and up at times. It is also a fact that playing nice music helps keep those viewers, which translates into cash. I think it's clear that players are profiting from this without paying royalties. The problem is that the licensing system for music is fucking idiotic and expensive, thus compromising and making a deal with a certain band (a la Day9) is the way to go, albeit limiting. | ||
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DreaIVIS
Finland130 Posts
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DreaIVIS
Finland130 Posts
All my questions have been answered with this e-mail: Greetings, When content is removed from the site due to DMCA takedown requests it is because we have gotten contact by the copyright holders and they have specifically requested that the content be taken down, due to them physically witnessing that their material had been infringed upon. As far as our guidelines, you can find them here: http://www.justin.tv/user/dmca. If you have an account or see a channel that has been suspended due to copyright infringements, understand what we cannot restore accounts who have been banned in this method, unless it actually was a false takedown. Regards, Justin.tv Staff | ||
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TheSir
1830 Posts
It's not scary, it's the law. They have to do that when they receive a valid takedown request and it was probably genuine otherwise they wouldn't have done it. And they told you why your channel was taken down (request by WB) so you should know if you showed/played copyrighted content from them or not. If you didn't then send a letter, if you did then you cant complain at all. | ||
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S_SienZ
1878 Posts
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Zarahtra
Iceland4053 Posts
On February 13 2012 10:17 Resilient wrote: This is completely false and would never hold up if it ever came to court. Streaming copyrighted content is not legal, period. The only reason people still do it is because there is almost no rebuttal on streamers yet because as much as we hate to hear it, streaming and sc2 in general, are very small fish. Which, if given enough time, copyright enforcement WILL come after eventually. Wasn't the point of fx SOPA, PIPA and all that to hit copyrighted stuff such as streams? I thought the streamers would be able to argue that they are listening to it themselves rather than actually broadcasting it. Similar to that I know if you are fx. in technical support and listening to music, the caller, even if he hears the music, you aren't broadcasting it and hence don't require to pay royalties. | ||
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iAmiAnC
United Kingdom317 Posts
Also to reiterate my previous question can any1 recommend some ways for preventing the music you're listening to from being streamed? Outside of having to pay for Virutal Audio Cable which I'm not really prepared to do right now. There are issues such as the picture and sound (ingame sound etc.) being out of sync and so on... | ||
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S_SienZ
1878 Posts
On April 01 2012 21:39 Zarahtra wrote: Wasn't the point of fx SOPA, PIPA and all that to hit copyrighted stuff such as streams? I thought the streamers would be able to argue that they are listening to it themselves rather than actually broadcasting it. Similar to that I know if you are fx. in technical support and listening to music, the caller, even if he hears the music, you aren't broadcasting it and hence don't require to pay royalties. That argument won't hold as it is possible for the streamer to listen to music while only making game sounds broadcasted to the audience. | ||
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