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On April 01 2012 10:52 TheSir wrote:
Well in most country's in Europe it's the same, except even small businesses have to pay for everything. A friend of mine owns a small diner which he runs by himself and he needs to pay fees to have a radio or tv in his diner. As long as your customers can see/hear the radio/tv you need to pay fees, doesn't matter how big your business is.
That's unfortunate 
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On April 01 2012 10:48 Hipsv wrote:
Wouldn't a simple way around this to be streaming and playing a radio station instead of a playlist?
Thats also illegal, a radio station pays fees that allows them broadcasting it so how should it be legal that you re-broadcast it?
That just doesn't make any sense.
Your not allowed to expose copyrighted material unless you have a license, the source doesn't matter.
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On April 01 2012 10:52 WolfintheSheep wrote:Show nested quote +On April 01 2012 10:50 Rockztar wrote:
I don't know if this counts in Starcraft, but I used to watch a lot of Rock Band/Guitar Hero vids. Obviously this is known copyrighted music being published in video, but there was some sort of rule that if the music was disrupted by something(such as drumming on the Rock Band drum kit) it would be allowed, so that the music wasn't sounding like "originally". I guess it could be like this as well in SC2 that as long as you can hear the SC2 game sounds over the music it could be allowed. I'm not entirely sure who decides this however. ...that rule does not exist. It sounds like something a highschool kid made up. Rock Band and Guitar Hero videos are also copyright infringing, they're just overlooked. Unless the videogame licenses actually allow 3rd party broadcasting, but that's extremely doubtful.
I think I know what your talking about but I think it has something to do with altering the original material... kind of like how you're allowed to remix songs. Not sure though I'm no expert
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It's illegal but nobody cares and as it's been put before "the record companies have bigger fish to fry".
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They'd be stupid to take it down, as it's almost certainly to the benefit of the artists (and thus themselves). Unfortunately, that hasn't stopped them before. So I think we can expect this to be done fairly soon.
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I think we're all ignoring it and praying that nobody cares. I am curious what NASL season 2 finals did because they used almost all copywritten material. Specifically with the player intros.
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On April 01 2012 11:04 Maxd11 wrote:
It's illegal but nobody cares and as it's been put before "the record companies have bigger fish to fry".
I heard the same thing 10 years ago when people started showing vid's and songs on their blogs, no one would care.. well look what happened to that.
It's just a matter of time before a organization is tipped about gamers who stream with copyrighted music and then they and twitch/owned/justin etc etc have a big problem.
If i was twitch/owned etc i wouldn't even allow my users to stream copyrighted material unless they have a license, they could get in to pretty big problems.
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I don't think anyone cares. Companies do not seem to mind so why should we?
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If there's one thing we can learn from YouTube it's that if you add a note on your stream that says "I don't own any of this music, no copyright infringement intended" then you are free from all liability and exempt from the law.
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On April 01 2012 11:35 TheSir wrote:Show nested quote +On April 01 2012 11:04 Maxd11 wrote:
It's illegal but nobody cares and as it's been put before "the record companies have bigger fish to fry". I heard the same thing 10 years ago when people started showing vid's and songs on their blogs, no one would care.. well look what happened to that. It's just a matter of time before a organization is tipped about gamers who stream with copyrighted music and then they and twitch/owned/justin etc etc have a big problem. If i was twitch/owned etc i wouldn't even allow my users to stream copyrighted material unless they have a license, they could get in to pretty big problems.
So if you were a business, you would rather have fewer users by alienating people and making them go to competing services, and you would want to hire more people for content review to comply with the DMCA when nobody is on your ass about it yet?
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On April 01 2012 11:40 oBlade wrote:Show nested quote +On April 01 2012 11:35 TheSir wrote:On April 01 2012 11:04 Maxd11 wrote:
It's illegal but nobody cares and as it's been put before "the record companies have bigger fish to fry". I heard the same thing 10 years ago when people started showing vid's and songs on their blogs, no one would care.. well look what happened to that. It's just a matter of time before a organization is tipped about gamers who stream with copyrighted music and then they and twitch/owned/justin etc etc have a big problem. If i was twitch/owned etc i wouldn't even allow my users to stream copyrighted material unless they have a license, they could get in to pretty big problems. So if you were a business, you would rather have fewer users by alienating people and making them go to competing services, and you would want to hire more people for content review to comply with the DMCA when nobody is on your ass about it yet?
I have a small business and i instantly kick customers who perform illegal activities, i couldn't care less if they go to other competing businesses cause when you screw up you can say good bye to everything you own. You want to risk that for a few customers? I'm not even gonna take the chance in times like this and everyone will get their turn sooner or later, thats a given fact.
If you were a big company, would you rather invest in a few more employees or for example in a system that checks the content or take the chance with the possibility of a very very bad headline in the news which basically destroys you and your company? Not that hard to make that choice.
A funny example is Rapidshare, a few years ago everyone called them idiots and they lost a lot of customers by enforcing the rules, deleting customers/content etc but now they are laughing their asses off cause they are one of the few filesharing companies who are not a big target and dont get very bad publicity.
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you can play pandora on your computer what wrong hearing it from someone els computer?
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Well, let's be realistic. Which copyright holders are actually going to complain to video game streamers? More often than not it's helping the copyright holders get their music heard.
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On April 01 2012 12:08 ki11z0ne wrote:
you can play pandora on your computer what wrong hearing it from someone els computer?
Not all countries have access to Pandora (just as an example).
It's stupid how it works, but right now I don't feel like it's a problem, and it doesn't cost the artists any money in my opinion, if it ever starts becoming a problem that's when something can start being done about it.
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On April 01 2012 12:12 Gentso wrote:
Well, let's be realistic. Which copyright holders are actually going to complain to video game streamers? More often than not it's helping the copyright holders get their music heard.
Well you can say that about everything, sharing for example a movie or tv trailer on youtube is only extra promotion but i can guarantee you that 99 out of 100 times it's blocked after a couple of hours/days and you need to delete it. And thats promotional content.....
If it's true what you say then why do radio stations need have a license? It's only good promotion right?
There are a lot of streams from gamers who have a lot more viewers then for example many online radio stations and trust me when organizations like BMI, ASCAP etc find out about it they will act for sure, it's just a matter of time and as we can see in this topic, some already found it.
Thinking that it doesn't matter and nothing will be done about it, is unrealistic as hell and shows that you have no experience and no clue about this at all.
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On April 01 2012 12:15 FiWiFaKi wrote:Show nested quote +On April 01 2012 12:08 ki11z0ne wrote:
you can play pandora on your computer what wrong hearing it from someone els computer? Not all countries have access to Pandora (just as an example). It's stupid how it works, but right now I don't feel like it's a problem, and it doesn't cost the artists any money in my opinion, if it ever starts becoming a problem that's when something can start being done about it.
or just read the terms:
-You can't use Pandora to steal music or other content, and you have to listen to it through pandora.com or on a device officially supported by Pandora.
-You agree that you will not:
3.3 make the Pandora Services available over a network (other than Pandora's network) where it could be used by others;
etc etc etc, same rules as all companies like Pandora have, thats standard.
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Great! I just made 0 dollars from justin.tv. ON ALL THE TWITCH VODS & STREAMS played this a month! THX I WILL ALMOST AFFORD A FUCKING BREAD THIS MONTH! MMMM! DELICOUS!! I WILL SURVIVE ANOTHER MONTH!!! MMMM! THX JUSTIN!!!!!!!!
Support Esports, don't kill Esports, but FUUUUUCK THE music artists IN THE FUCKING ASS!!!!!
............ :'(
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I think it is wrong for streamers to use music that isn't theirs to make money, and i think it is just a matter of time until it is considered stealing. Until then i will enjoy the amazing play from all the streamers!!
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fortunately most counties don't have the ridiculous laws that the USA does regarding copyrights and IP, which means it's unlikely that any user found guilty of supposed infringement will receive any more consequences than simply having their account banned. unless you're some sort of pirate mogul, don't expect to be extradited.
it's not stealing at all and anyone who thinks it is is a fool and committing a logical fallacy of assumption re future sales.
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I was thinking you could use Pandora in the background since your viewers hear the ads too. But then I realized that Pandora would be losing money then if someone paid for Pandora since ads would no longer play.
So, I guess if I want to use Pandora while streaming, I have to split the audio somehow so only I can hear it (as previously stated in this thread).
I honestly don't like it but I'd rather be safe now than sorry later.
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