• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 18:58
CEST 00:58
KST 07:58
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
RSL Season 1 - Final Week6[ASL19] Finals Recap: Standing Tall15HomeStory Cup 27 - Info & Preview18Classic wins Code S Season 2 (2025)16Code S RO4 & Finals Preview: herO, Rogue, Classic, GuMiho0
Community News
Esports World Cup 2025 - Brackets Revealed14Weekly Cups (July 7-13): Classic continues to roll8Team TLMC #5 - Submission extension3Firefly given lifetime ban by ESIC following match-fixing investigation17$25,000 Streamerzone StarCraft Pro Series announced7
StarCraft 2
General
RSL Revival patreon money discussion thread Who will win EWC 2025? Weekly Cups (July 7-13): Classic continues to roll The GOAT ranking of GOAT rankings Esports World Cup 2025 - Final Player Roster
Tourneys
FEL Cracov 2025 (July 27) - $8000 live event Sea Duckling Open (Global, Bronze-Diamond) RSL: Revival, a new crowdfunded tournament series $5,100+ SEL Season 2 Championship (SC: Evo) WardiTV Mondays
Strategy
How did i lose this ZvP, whats the proper response
Custom Maps
External Content
Mutation # 482 Wheel of Misfortune Mutation # 481 Fear and Lava Mutation # 480 Moths to the Flame Mutation # 479 Worn Out Welcome
Brood War
General
Flash Announces (and Retracts) Hiatus From ASL [ASL19] Finals Recap: Standing Tall BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ BW General Discussion Help: rep cant save
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues Cosmonarchy Pro Showmatches CSL Xiamen International Invitational [BSL20] Non-Korean Championship 4x BSL + 4x China
Strategy
Simple Questions, Simple Answers I am doing this better than progamers do.
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Path of Exile Nintendo Switch Thread CCLP - Command & Conquer League Project The PlayStation 5
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread Vanilla Mini Mafia
Community
General
Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Stop Killing Games - European Citizens Initiative Summer Games Done Quick 2025!
Fan Clubs
SKT1 Classic Fan Club! Maru Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
[Manga] One Piece Movie Discussion! Anime Discussion Thread [\m/] Heavy Metal Thread
Sports
2024 - 2025 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 NBA General Discussion NHL Playoffs 2024
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Men Take Risks, Women Win Ga…
TrAiDoS
momentary artworks from des…
tankgirl
from making sc maps to makin…
Husyelt
StarCraft improvement
iopq
Trip to the Zoo
micronesia
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 663 users

UI still sub-par 2 years later. Why don't we care? - Page 15

Forum Index > SC2 General
Post a Reply
Prev 1 13 14 15 16 17 87 Next
ColterTV
Profile Joined September 2010
Argentina163 Posts
February 03 2012 15:17 GMT
#281
Please start showing signs at major events so the voice is heard
ColterTV Stream -> http://www.twitch.tv/ColterTV
StormD
Profile Joined October 2011
United States5 Posts
February 03 2012 15:23 GMT
#282
Signed.
"Destroying the world since 1976"
ShadyKat
Profile Joined January 2012
United Kingdom40 Posts
February 03 2012 15:23 GMT
#283
On February 04 2012 00:12 Klondikebar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 03 2012 05:07 graNite wrote:
They don't want to show statistics to the players because they think you could easily become sad when you see your winrates and stop playing. Thats why they also dont show you the losses in all leagues below masters.


I personally quit playing precisely because it's so hard to see where my weaknesses are. All I have is this stupid notion that "I'm not getting promoted." That's it. When it comes time to say "how do I get better?" I have NO INFORMATION! What matchup is my weakest? Are there maps that cause me to struggle? (The maps question is important because if they have similar elements (lots of chokes) that would indicate to me that I engage in chokes too often.) Am I improving or getting worse? Even just a simple moving average APM tracker would be awesome to see if I'm at least getting faster.

Yes I could pay for coaching or painstakingly analyze my replays but that's such an inordinate amount of work when completely feasible technology exists to give me that information so much faster. It's like looking something up in the encyclopedia instead of just using google.

Also the UI is definitely bad. I'm sure it's great with a gamepad...but I don't play starcraft with my 360 controller.


Not to be completely off topic because i agree with the OP and i miss Starcraft GBR-1 massively

Have you not heard of Sc2 Gears? There are plenty of people in the community making tools to help you improve as a player and that has nothing to do with the UI...
bluQ
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Germany1724 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-03 15:25:33
February 03 2012 15:23 GMT
#284
On February 03 2012 19:01 Highways wrote:
I have said this 100 times but I'll say it again. Battle.net 0.2 is a massive reason why the SC2 population has died, and there is hardly any body playing anymore.

- There is no social aspect on bnet at all, everything feels dark and lonely. It needs to feel vibrant, like when you logon it feels like a massive community is active.
- It needs to be a place where you can hang and have fun, even if you have no friends online.
- Some suggestions to make it more social are: make chat channels a main part of the UI, clan support, online replays with friends, embeded tournament stream with chat, automated tournaments, join and view live games, unranked automatchmaking, upload replays to your profile and allow people to comment on them etc...

- Arguably the biggest fail is the custom game interface. Huge expectations that the editor will take the scene to the next level but it has taken 10 steps back. Two years in and its still the same games on the top 2 pages says it all.....

At the end of the day, why the fuck did a console guy develop the interface for a high profile PC game.

Didn't read your post but the highlighted line catched my eyes.
Do you guys REALLY think that there is some "UI Designer PC" and "UI Designer Console"? There is no such job.
You are a Designer or aren't that has nothing to do with the plattform.
That he worked for Xbox or whatever is just a REFERENCE.
You guys are like saying:"He is a doctor for horses! WHY HE IS EXAMINING THIS COW?????????" or maybe u like the "He is only a Java Coder ... WHY IS HE LOOKING AT C CODE??? DERPDERP".
Jeez, those people work with the same principles and assumably have the same education(PC<->Console,Java<->C,Horse<->Cow) and just that u did something slightly different doesn't make you worse.
I really can't bitch about the visual design of the UI, imo its not that bad at all. Quite nice and tidy, only thing I'm misking a "List" of all opened chats when the bottom bar is spammed.
Tho they could work on the performance but then again, that has nothing to do with the UI Design, thats the implementation part. So blame their Architects or Engineers but not the designer <.<

@the rest of topic, I liked my bnet1.0 - spent hours and hours in D2 just chatting :D (but I remember we also used some 3rd party tool to chat w/o being in the game, so even then ppl complained and the community reacted :D)
www.twitch.tv/bluquh (PoE, Starbow, HS)
Mazaire
Profile Joined July 2011
Australia217 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-03 15:47:34
February 03 2012 15:24 GMT
#285
I agree with the sentiment of this thread, although i don't see it coming too in WOL, fingers crossed for HOTS.

edit: ballsed up and posted it in blizz forums. Lets see how that goes >.>
"No matter what event you go to there are so many koreans, like a swarm. Even if you beat three or four, there are like 10 others waiting." - Socke
Klondikebar
Profile Joined October 2011
United States2227 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-03 15:29:20
February 03 2012 15:26 GMT
#286
On February 04 2012 00:23 ShadyKat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 04 2012 00:12 Klondikebar wrote:
On February 03 2012 05:07 graNite wrote:
They don't want to show statistics to the players because they think you could easily become sad when you see your winrates and stop playing. Thats why they also dont show you the losses in all leagues below masters.


I personally quit playing precisely because it's so hard to see where my weaknesses are. All I have is this stupid notion that "I'm not getting promoted." That's it. When it comes time to say "how do I get better?" I have NO INFORMATION! What matchup is my weakest? Are there maps that cause me to struggle? (The maps question is important because if they have similar elements (lots of chokes) that would indicate to me that I engage in chokes too often.) Am I improving or getting worse? Even just a simple moving average APM tracker would be awesome to see if I'm at least getting faster.

Yes I could pay for coaching or painstakingly analyze my replays but that's such an inordinate amount of work when completely feasible technology exists to give me that information so much faster. It's like looking something up in the encyclopedia instead of just using google.

Also the UI is definitely bad. I'm sure it's great with a gamepad...but I don't play starcraft with my 360 controller.


Not to be completely off topic because i agree with the OP and i miss Starcraft GBR-1 massively

Have you not heard of Sc2 Gears? There are plenty of people in the community making tools to help you improve as a player and that has nothing to do with the UI...


Good call. I should check that out. Now I just need to conquer my addiction to player streams and actually get back into playing myself.

Although I will maintain that the lack of information is a UI issue. There's so much wasted space and wasted potential on every screen. We don't need massive buttons and huge pictures.
#2throwed
-stOpSKY-
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada498 Posts
February 03 2012 15:27 GMT
#287
I would like to see clan support, better chat interface and MMR being shown but aside from that it doesnt bother me much. I dont really care about % statistics are maps and so on, all meaningless.
zuperketla
Profile Joined September 2010
Norway212 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-03 15:32:26
February 03 2012 15:30 GMT
#288
Everyone with an EU account go to this link on the bnet forums: (this same post)

http://eu.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/3313032837

Log in and "REQUEST STICKY" top right corner green button! Also post in the thread to make it bigger =)

Maybe we can raise some attention! Its worth the 60 seconds it takes to do it

edit: someone make a similar thread on the US bnet forums!
heyho
Aeceus
Profile Joined September 2011
United Kingdom1278 Posts
February 03 2012 15:32 GMT
#289
I think that SC2 could benefit socially from a global chat lobby while looking for games, instead of channels. Kind of like what MSN zone had all those years ago when playing AoE2.
cgerrr
Profile Joined April 2010
Ukraine47 Posts
February 03 2012 15:38 GMT
#290
The concerns died out simply because there aren't (relatively) much people actually care/playing this game anymore. As simple as that.
Saiton
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Sweden467 Posts
February 03 2012 15:40 GMT
#291
On February 04 2012 00:38 cgerrr wrote:
The concerns died out simply because there aren't (relatively) much people actually care/playing this game anymore. As simple as that.


I asked once in this thread and i ask it again, where are you getting this ridiculous information that nobody is playing the game?!
Top diamond terran streaming at http://www.twitch.tv/saitontv
TigerKarl
Profile Joined November 2010
1757 Posts
February 03 2012 15:46 GMT
#292
I agree with everything you say.
Blizzard has to bring improvements with the first addon, otherwise there's gonna be a huge shitstorm.
Shockk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany2269 Posts
February 03 2012 15:48 GMT
#293
I posted the thread to Reddit as well. Feel free to upvote (selfpost, no karma gained).
esotericc
Profile Joined July 2011
449 Posts
February 03 2012 16:27 GMT
#294
This is the exact reason I quit SC2 and started playing DotA 2, bnet just felt to lonely for me. Might as well have been a single player game.
ColterTV
Profile Joined September 2010
Argentina163 Posts
February 03 2012 16:42 GMT
#295
[image loading]

User was warned for this post
ColterTV Stream -> http://www.twitch.tv/ColterTV
StaN.de
Profile Joined January 2012
Germany50 Posts
February 03 2012 16:48 GMT
#296
I 100% agree!

Clansupport and a tournament system would be so nice. They should also think about a clanwarladder including a auto-matchmaking system
CallousCarter
Profile Joined December 2011
United Kingdom81 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-03 16:51:47
February 03 2012 16:50 GMT
#297
How exactly did SC2 improve over SC1? The story and singlerplayer was mediocre at best, the gameplay is slightly easier but still rock hard, the only difference is there's not as many factors to distinguish players at the very top level, Bnet 2.0 is shit, we don't have lan mode the only thing that really springs to mind as an improvement is the graphics from a pure technical, polygon counting perspective, but even then BW has charm style and nostalgic value whereas sc2 just looks like an average rts at the moment. I'm not saying SC2 is a bad game, but i don't think it is a great game and I don't think they made enough significant improvements over BW to make the squeal worth while from a pure game design perspective. I worry for the esports scene that has been built around sc2, the game is in decline, maybe HotS will change that but if it doesn't I can see things going south very quickly.
GLLuvz
Profile Joined January 2012
Norway25 Posts
February 03 2012 16:56 GMT
#298
The chat system is way to bad imo, bring back the one they had in WC3/BW. its just sad that we have to use IIRC to communicate with people properly.
Gamersleague FTW
SeZomg
Profile Joined June 2011
United States1 Post
February 03 2012 16:59 GMT
#299
I agree with all your points, we have such amazing potential for an even better community but lack the infrastructure needed to see it grow. We need to make it heard that we demand these features.
equalheights
Profile Joined March 2011
Australia30 Posts
February 03 2012 16:59 GMT
#300
I absolutely agree with the opening post. I like the ladder matchmaking system sc2 has, but it lacks anything else... at all.
Prev 1 13 14 15 16 17 87 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 1h 2m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
Nathanias 185
Nina 159
UpATreeSC 124
JuggernautJason83
Ketroc 30
ForJumy 15
StarCraft: Brood War
Sea 3059
Mini 361
[sc1f]eonzerg 29
Stormgate
NightEnD13
Dota 2
monkeys_forever312
Counter-Strike
flusha329
Super Smash Bros
Liquid`Ken47
AZ_Axe0
Heroes of the Storm
Liquid`Hasu339
Other Games
summit1g10444
tarik_tv7175
shahzam1237
C9.Mang0190
ViBE175
Skadoodle121
Livibee72
Trikslyr46
PPMD44
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick2637
BasetradeTV30
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 20 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Berry_CruncH202
• RyuSc2 68
• davetesta36
• Hupsaiya 26
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• sooper7s
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Migwel
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
StarCraft: Brood War
• Azhi_Dahaki26
• Eskiya23 16
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
• BSLYoutube
Dota 2
• masondota22427
League of Legends
• TFBlade959
Other Games
• imaqtpie2003
• Scarra1374
Upcoming Events
Replay Cast
1h 2m
OSC
1h 2m
Epic.LAN
13h 2m
Big Brain Bouts
17h 2m
sebesdes vs SpeCial
Harstem vs YoungYakov
GgMaChine vs uThermal
CranKy Ducklings
1d 11h
Epic.LAN
1d 13h
CSO Contender
1d 18h
BSL20 Non-Korean Champi…
1d 19h
Bonyth vs Sziky
Dewalt vs Hawk
Hawk vs QiaoGege
Sziky vs Dewalt
Mihu vs Bonyth
Zhanhun vs QiaoGege
QiaoGege vs Fengzi
Sparkling Tuna Cup
2 days
Online Event
2 days
[ Show More ]
BSL20 Non-Korean Champi…
2 days
Bonyth vs Zhanhun
Dewalt vs Mihu
Hawk vs Sziky
Sziky vs QiaoGege
Mihu vs Hawk
Zhanhun vs Dewalt
Fengzi vs Bonyth
Esports World Cup
4 days
ByuN vs Astrea
Lambo vs HeRoMaRinE
Clem vs TBD
Solar vs Zoun
SHIN vs Reynor
Maru vs TriGGeR
herO vs Lancer
Cure vs ShoWTimE
Esports World Cup
5 days
Esports World Cup
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

JPL Season 2
RSL Revival: Season 1
Murky Cup #2

Ongoing

BSL 2v2 Season 3
Copa Latinoamericana 4
Jiahua Invitational
BSL20 Non-Korean Championship
Championship of Russia 2025
FISSURE Playground #1
BLAST.tv Austin Major 2025
ESL Impact League Season 7
IEM Dallas 2025
PGL Astana 2025
Asian Champions League '25
BLAST Rivals Spring 2025
MESA Nomadic Masters

Upcoming

CSL Xiamen Invitational
CSL Xiamen Invitational: ShowMatche
2025 ACS Season 2
CSLPRO Last Chance 2025
CSLPRO Chat StarLAN 3
BSL Season 21
K-Championship
RSL Revival: Season 2
SEL Season 2 Championship
uThermal 2v2 Main Event
FEL Cracov 2025
Esports World Cup 2025
Underdog Cup #2
ESL Pro League S22
StarSeries Fall 2025
FISSURE Playground #2
BLAST Open Fall 2025
BLAST Open Fall Qual
Esports World Cup 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall Qual
IEM Cologne 2025
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.