EPTSC2 Casting, Too Much of a Clique. Thoughts? - Page 2
| Forum Index > SC2 General |
|
Lysenko
Iceland2128 Posts
| ||
|
Aldehyde
Sweden939 Posts
On February 02 2012 18:46 Geo.Rion wrote: Bitter+Rotterdam is an amazing combo for several reasons. One they are 2 community people, the veteran W3 caster and the guy who made it from doing his own show from scratch, a European and an American. Two, they look very good. I know, who cares, it's esports not beauty contest, well believe me lot of people care. Three, they both actually are GM level players, unlike pretty much any combo you can name. Their game knowledge is satisfying so is their analysis. And idk how "constantly bicker" with each other is a bad quality, it makes their co-cast seem natural to me. About their humor, you can dislike it, who am i to disagree with that, but i like it, and many others do, so np there either. Sure, as I said, I am a clear minority in this and I disagree with most everything you said. | ||
|
equalheights
Australia30 Posts
You also state a problem with casters having thick accents which is apparently a big no-no: this is a very american-centric viewpoint, and given that many Starcraft events attract a global audience I don't think its reasonable for all tournaments to pander to it. As it is, the enthusiasm and knowledge by casters like Khaldor and TLO (when he casts) more than make up for the fact that English was not their first language. | ||
|
nakedsurfer
Canada500 Posts
On February 02 2012 18:35 Geo.Rion wrote: STOP capslooking RANDOM words and SENTENCES in your post, it looks horrible. Use some of these please, if you want to underline something. As for the content, it's most definitely not an elite clique, there are at least a hundred casters, some of them came out of nowhere with no background, probably most of them dont know more then half of the rest Take an example, Mr.Bitter, he just made a show about himself learning from pro coaches, and a few months later he's one of ESL's main caster. There's no tribute to be paid if u wanna become a caster, u just start out, if u're good u'll have viwers, if you have viwers tourneys or small cups at least gonna pick you up. This basically ends your thread. To continue on the though of casters being a "clique" though is even the larger scaled casters, if you will, of now started long ago in BW and worked their ass off. Tastelss and Artosis moved to South Korea while BW wasn't huge over here. Thats a pretty big risk in itself I believe. Day9 started a web show out of thin air and stuck with it while learned to take constructive critism from people. Watch his first ones compared to now. It's not like they didn't work hard. Even Husky posted like 2/3 vids minimum a day when he first started and just stuck with it. If you really want to become a SC2 caster, You actually have to want it. Learn the game, do research on the latest tournies/winners, apply to do some lower league tournaments, make a youtube, make a sponser thread on TL(advertise yourself). Try to meet people at local events, save up some money and go to a larger event and meet more people. Stuff like this all help if someone is serious about it. So to say "oh you just need to know the right people and youre auto in" isn't really the case. The people casting the larger events actually worked their way there one way or another. Knowing people helps but only if you already have a name for yourself...which doesnt happen over night. | ||
|
karpo
Sweden1998 Posts
There's less viewers, less money, and less knowledgable people in the scene. It's not weird that casting in SC2 will stay "worse" than regular sports for quite a while as only the top few casters earn enough money to sustain themselves. Nobody even knows if SC2 is going to keep fan interest more than a year or two while football, soccer, hockey, and basketball have been going strong for years or even decades. People seem to get ahead of themselves when it comes to the viability of SC2 as a serious sustainable sport calling for ESPN level production, much better casters etc. Look at LoL and how they have numbers trippling SC2, there's still alot of work to do to reach out to nerds before trying to sell the game to "jocks". | ||
|
Angel_
United States1617 Posts
| ||
|
Deleuze
United Kingdom2102 Posts
I've read the post twice and am still unsure where the argument is – what’s the point of what you’re saying, how have you come to your conclusions? I don't know how they got the job aside from maybe convenience or maybe because they cast a different tournament and now they are inside the clique Since it could be interpreted that you're just QQing because your caster buddies never made it. Also, what does this have to do with the reappropriation of the word 'Nerd' that you open with? I think you're just confusing hard work, chemistry and experience with an impenetrable cliquey barrier - though your observation with regards to Kelly Milkies and Day 9 probably points to another underlying problem in the scene... I’ve heard it said before that drafting in commentators for traditional sports is something e-sports overall could benefit from, I think it’s a nice idea – but why? Due to the impersonal, opinionated nature of your post and the lack of a clearly focused argument I must say that this is more blog material. | ||
|
Shkudde
Netherlands709 Posts
A large portion of the viewership is NOT AMERICAN (see what I did there?), and I for one can understand them perfectly. It's not their problem that you can only understand 'standard' american english. And come on, their english is probably as good as most american's. Also, as has been stated by others before, esports is still a lot smaller than traditional sports so the pool of professional casters will be a lot smaller simply due to financial constraints. It's just a completely different way of operating. I'm sorry your friends didn't make it as casters, but that may just be because they're not that good at either promoting themselves or as casters in general? | ||
|
MrBitter
United States2940 Posts
Some people go back to Brood War. Day[9], Tastosis and iNcontroL being the most popular examples. Some come from other backgrounds. RotterdaM was WC3. Apollo was Command and Conquer. And other guys don't have much a competitive background at all. HD and Husky spring to mind immediately. What everyone has is a background in working their asses off. Is it hard to get a job as a caster? Yes, of course it is. It's a highly coveted job. Hundreds of people want it, and there are literally only a handful of openings around the world. But don't think for a second its impossible. If you put in the work - not uploading a few games a week, like real work - going to events, networking yourself, reaching out to pros and industry people alike, people will notice you. | ||
|
PraefektMotus
Germany129 Posts
| ||
|
BritWrangler
United Kingdom120 Posts
| ||
|
felisconcolori
United States6168 Posts
Most casters are doing so as one of two people, with an engineer who is not focused on the game but on the stream. In the "prosports" world, those casters are backed up by a legion of fact-checking, stat-working, production directing people. SC2 casters miss things sometimes... and might miss them because they're busy watching something else, or are being entertaining. I wouldn't say SC2 casting is quite up to the same level as sports which have been working at it for 60 years. But they are doing pretty well, and the audience generally is appreciative. (Although some casting teams are hilarious to watch and at the same time not great at actual factual casting in an eSports fashion. MC, MKP, and Reis come to mind.) | ||
|
nekoconeco
Australia359 Posts
| ||
zatic
Zurich15325 Posts
On February 02 2012 19:47 MrBitter wrote: What everyone has is a background in working their asses off. Is it hard to get a job as a caster? Yes, of course it is. It's a highly coveted job. Hundreds of people want it, and there are literally only a handful of openings around the world. But don't think for a second its impossible. If you put in the work - not uploading a few games a week, like real work - going to events, networking yourself, reaching out to pros and industry people alike, people will notice you. This is pretty much all there is to say about it. And KellyMilkies vs Day[9] really is a poor example. She has casted one season of GSL, and that was one year ago. Even if there was a "clique", she'd be hardly part of it. | ||
|
00Visor
4337 Posts
Start casting weekly cups, send application to tournaments like NASL (they have been rotating tons of casters). If people like your casting, you can be successful. (of course it takes some time) I watch a lot of smaller streams as well and I can't think of any caster who is really amazing, but wasn't approached by any big organization. KellyMilkies is actually a big example against your theory. She is not around anymore (at least outside of SEA). | ||
|
Silidons
United States2813 Posts
| ||
|
RoboBob
United States798 Posts
Someone like Moletrap doesn't *need* to be the best skilled caster in the world. He's got mad dedication, going all the way back deep into BW when nobody was watching esports. He has the balls to move to a completely foreign nation and stick it out in somewhat crappy living conditions for what was then a temporary job. Kellymilkies might not have the greatest voice in the world or the strongest SC2 background. But she's nurtured hundreds of contacts over dozens of games in order to help establish herself as a prominent female caster. It isn't just SC2 fans that watch her SC2 casts, it's also Kellymilkies fans from tons of other games. Mr.Bitter might be relatively new to scene, but he's got tons of raw charisma to help propel him to the top. So yeah. There's much more to it than just "raw casting skill". | ||
|
Tryxtira
Sweden572 Posts
| ||
|
NoctemSC
United States771 Posts
And again there is some that do not. Whether they got in based on looks or knowing someone is irrelevant. The term "nerd" is outdated, your jocks you mentioned are a very small percentage of the community as a whole, so using them as a target group isn't very convincing. Most people I know that play starcraft look just like everyone else, they have 9-5's, they go out to the bar and shoot pool, they keep up with current events etc. As for some Casters being not the greatest, that's personal opinion, it doesn't matter how good you are at something, there's always going to be people who don't like you. Period. I can personally think of a few Casters with accents that I'd much rather watch than your typical American Caster (Khaldor, TB and the likes) you're also neglecting one thing, Casters with accents, like totalbiscuit bridge a gap between Euro viewers and American viewers so they have a greater potential to get MORE views. Edit: And on a side note, I'd also like to say that I MUCH prefer casters from the community over a big time super professional NFL caster any day, these casters with grassroots are easier to relate to. | ||
|
phanto
Sweden708 Posts
The rest of the casters in the scene haven't really got any qualities. I'm not surprised so many casters get bashed. What does Kelly offer? Moletrap? Doa? I feel like GOMtv should have Wolf/Tastosis choose english casters instead of GOMtv executives. Synergy and a good grasp of the english language (spoken) are a lot more important factors than diversity or whatever. | ||
| ||
