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Chill
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
Calgary25980 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-29 16:41:08
February 29 2012 16:40 GMT
#61
What's your point? Who are you targeting with this thread?

Things are one way and you say they shouldn't be. Okay, but they are. So...? Are you asking organizations like MLG and IPL to hire better casters? Are you asking minor casters to put more effort in to overthrow the "bad" established casters? Are you asking TL to promote up and coming casters more so unknowns get a better shot at being known? Are you asking the established casters to take their job more seriously?

I just don't get the point. You've said "If casters were better, the scene would be better" without offering a path of how to get there from here.
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stevetodd
Profile Joined February 2011
United States4 Posts
February 29 2012 18:03 GMT
#62
You say some friends tried and failed to be casters. The beauty of this community is that the only way you can fail as a caster is to stop casting. If you are getting into it for the fame/money/power you are doing it for the wrong reason.

Do you think its any easier to get into any other profession with so few high visibility positions? How the hell do you think Joe Buck is a sportscaster. Most people hate him, but he's got the right ties.

And as long as I mentioned fame/money/power I'll just put this right here....

Tony Montana
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Animzor
Profile Joined March 2011
Sweden2154 Posts
February 29 2012 18:17 GMT
#63
On February 02 2012 18:48 Velr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 02 2012 18:35 Aldehyde wrote:
On February 02 2012 18:26 vtbarrera wrote:
The Sc2 casting scene does seem a little clique, but at the same time it's not necessarily unwarranted or bad thing. Look at CatzPajamas, he's the perfect example of your "play by play" average guy who made it as a caster. I'm sorry that your two friends couldn't really break through in the way they wanted but the barrier to entry is fairly high as the market is becoming over saturated with many low quality casters. There's some diamonds in the rough that have a decent following but only so many casters can be on the Day9/Tasteosis/Bitterdam/TB-Apollo level.


To be fair, pretty much anyone can be on "Bitterdam's" level because they are... not very good. Might be they'd do a better work with more work put in but overall they are way below the other combos you mentioned.

They constantly bicker with each other, they find one kinda-funny-joke and run with that for the rest of the tournament (MMA's jacket during IEM Kiev for example) which makes the joke not very funny. Their analysis isn't very top level either so I, personally, don't see their appeal at all.

They get to cast a lot, however, so I guess I am a clear minority in this or it's like the OP says; more convenient to hire somewhat known and popular casters than making a gamble on casters that might be a lot better.


Lol.. I personally think Bitterdam is about the nicest thing that can happen to any event, on the other side Day9 and most of all DJWheat makes me switch the stream asap. That does not make them bad casters.... Tastes are diffrent.



Totally agree. I actually think Bitterdam is the best caster duo at the moment, it's a shame Tastosis still get so much recognition even though it was such a long time ago that they were great. Bitterdam should get flown around to all the big tournaments, because they are awesome. Totally agree about DJWheat as well, he just doesn't have the personality to be a caster.
briandawkins
Profile Joined October 2010
United States19 Posts
February 29 2012 18:21 GMT
#64
Sports casting, particularly at the (US) national broadcast level, is cliquey and often bad.
TotalBiscuit
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United Kingdom5437 Posts
February 29 2012 18:25 GMT
#65
Imagine having a SC2 game with a play by play as good as this:


I'm just curious, can you point out specifically why that commentary is better than say, mine?
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