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We talk about eye care now and then, simply reminding our fellow gamers to be careful about their eye care, just as we do with concerns for hand and wrist injuries. Visine has started asserting themselves as a sponsor within eSports, the Gunnar gaming glasses tout their lens design as leading to a more humid climate around the eye - so it really seems like this is something that a lot of us have some experience with, and interest in. But I've yet to see a conversation in our community about eyedrops, and anything else related to eye care.
I recently learned from my optometrist that I have very dry eyes that hardly produce their own moisturizing tears. Your eyes actually produce two kinds - the other being from emotional responses etc. Combining this factor with lots of actively staring at the monitor for gaming and movies, and regularly experiencing eyes that are hurting as the first indicator that I should get some sleep, it seems to me like I should start using eyedrops somewhat regularly, or at least have them on call.
I talked with this for a bit with my doctor, but I'd imagine that he's on some miniature payrolls with what products he suggests and gives out samples for, and he didn't seem like an especially nurturing dude. Still, I was made to understand that, of course, not all eye lubricants are created equal.
So, what is your experience like with various products. Are they all more or less the same, or are some missing critical ingredients etc. Which are too expensive and no better than other or generic brands? What, how and why do you use?
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Yeah, this is a really interesting question. I've seen some Koreans in the GSL use eyedrops after matches and I'm not sure why they do.
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Visine because of IPL support
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I use Rohto, at first its like liquid lava in your eye, but then follows up by making your eye feel like a place where bunnies and angels have pillow fights.
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hmm I wouldn't need eyedrops during gaming, I've gotten used to blinking now
But I sure could use them for studying... After reading an entire day I just can't go on cause my eyes are all dried up and stuff.
Just some clean liquid (eyecleaner or something) would probably do.
EDIT : I used to have some eye problems (not due to gaming, just some swollen eyelids that needed to be treated), and the liquid the doctor prescribed to clean my eyes with seems ok to just put in whenever I got dry eyes too. Any eyecleaning liquid is ok, its basically really clean water with disinfecting product or w/e in them.
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On February 01 2012 02:05 rabidbot wrote:
I use Rohto, at first its like liquid lava in your eye, but then follows up by making your eye feel like a place where bunnies and angels have pillow fights.
Yep they're amazing. I've gotten to the point where it no longer feels like lava. They are great to use after a long day and having contacts in all day. Feels so goooood!
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On February 01 2012 02:01 vileIllusion wrote:
Visine because of IPL support
Wasn't it some special kind or just the standard visine? I can't remember
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On February 01 2012 02:01 vileIllusion wrote:
Visine because of IPL support
I've read from multiple sources that eye drops like Visine are decongestants and only get rid of the red tinge in your eye. Fun fact it's used mostly by stoners.
If you want to moisten your eyes because you feel they are too dry use artificial tears (saline solution), much less expensive and recommended by doctors.
Edit : regular use of decongestants is actually bad for your vision.
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Remember that you're just making dry eyes worse by using eye drops and soon you can't do without them.
Ask a doctor and don't just take shit because a company sponsors an event.
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most visine drops are horrible and only serve to irritate your eye.
use refresh plus, they come in 1-use vials (x100 at costco) because they are preservative free. there are basically the only eyedrops you can use after getting lasek and are just artificial tears. they are a little pricey but anything that don't come in vials has preservatives and are bad for sensitive eyes. of course most ppl wont care that much. systane is also okay if you prefer a more gel-like solution that can provide longer lasting protection. there are preservatives of course but is relatively mild in comparison to brands like visine.
i had lasek and also have a dry eye problem so i've tried many many different eye drops and contact solutions. for contact solutions i definately recommend clear care, it is the BEST.
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On February 01 2012 02:16 DJFaqU wrote:
Remember that you're just making dry eyes worse by using eye drops and soon you can't do without them.
Ask a doctor and don't just take shit because a company sponsors an event.
most opthalmologists recommend the use of eye drops for ppl suffering from dry eye. of course anything used in excess is bad.
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visine is crap, clear eyes is crap
buy and use naphcon. anything else is crap.
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wow. i don't do anything and never cared about. I just make sure that i'm not playing in a dark room. as yet it seems to be enough. no eyepain for me
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visine for the tight red eye
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I just make myself cry.  No seriously, I use to use eyedrops, but I hardly use them anymore. Something that is mostly saline is usually the best. Visine and similar products aren't that good for your eyes.
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Be careful using Visine. It's got a lot of preservatives/chemicals in it that can actually hurt your eyes more than help. Always talk to an optometrist or opthemologist if you're planning on using eye drops with any sort of regularity.
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Rohto, it's like hurts at first but it feels so good afterwards! *Insert any joke here* LOL
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You noted that sleeping is a good idea if your eyes begin to hurt but there is also an alternative: Put a night mask on (or just make it dark for your eyes (a t-shirt over them will do) and close them for around 15 minutes or until they start feeling better again. Getting your eyes to water (if they are hurting they might do this automatically at this point) also helps with getting them to re-moisturize this way. Just a tip!
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if you're having eye problems during gaming sessions, it might be a sign that you actually play too much... just take some regular breaks and there's no reason to have eye problems.
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I actually had this very same talk with my eye doctor the other day when i went to my eye checkup. The reason why your eyes dry out while gaming is because the rate at which you blink slows down when you are focused on something i.e. computer screen.
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Just close your eyes for a bit while the game is finding your next opponent. dont need any eye drops..
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Buy Rhoto.
Systane is also good. No preservatives.
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I just make sure to hydrate a lot, take breaks, and lower monitor brightness in a dark room.
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I'm an optometrist, StarCraft fan, and TL lurker who couldn't let this thread pass by without commenting.
It's been shown that blink (eyelids, not stalkers) frequency decreases with computer use because we tend to just stare at the monitor especially that darn minimap.
The best treatment is more viewing time away from the monitor, blinking, and eye rest. If you get dry eyes even when not gaming, the next best solutions are drinking more water and omega-3 fatty acids in your diet which increase tear production among many other health benefits.
Eyedrops come next because they only treat the symptoms and not the cause. It you plan to use drops often, then look for the preservative-free options. For example, single use vials or "disappearing preservative" drops. The latter have preservatives in the bottles which break down upon exposure to light or contact with the eye.
Frequent use of "eye whiteners" is not recommended. The drugs in these eyedrops include a vasoconstrictor which makes the conjunctival blood vessels appear less prominent but can lead to adaptation and a "rebound" effect. Occasional use is fine though.
If you use contact lenses, ClearCare is probably the only preservative-free cleaning solution available. It may be hard to find due to it being a bit less simple to use but it's worth it.
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On February 01 2012 03:32 matiK23 wrote:
Buy Rhoto.
Systane is also good. No preservatives.
Yea I use Rhoto Arctic. Feels amazing and as long as I don't let my eyes get dry to the point of serious discomfort they seem to always do the trick.
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I had laser vision correction surgery, and the optometrist told me that, surgery or not, it is always beneficial to use 'artificial tears' over things like Visine. Overuse of Visine or other similar brands can actually cause dependence on the product.
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On February 01 2012 02:15 NeonFox wrote:I've read from multiple sources that eye drops like Visine are decongestants and only get rid of the red tinge in your eye. Fun fact it's used mostly by stoners. If you want to moisten your eyes because you feel they are too dry use artificial tears (saline solution), much less expensive and recommended by doctors. Edit : regular use of decongestants is actually bad for your vision.
Don't use visine too much!
An easy rule of thumb to remember is "drugs are bad for you" and the regular visine stuff can be bad long term. Artificial tears/saline is the way to go... it's natural and can't mess with your health.
quotes/links:
Long-term use of this medication may damage the blood vessels in the eyes.
http://www.drugs.com/mtm/visine.html
And hopefully unrelated to normal use,... the stuff is poison if swallowed... lot's of people have gotten sick or even died from it:
http://www.snopes.com/medical/myths/visine.asp
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I'm using Visine Dry Eyes, as it is what apothecary reccomended me.
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On February 01 2012 03:59 wentzA wrote:
I had laser vision correction surgery, and the optometrist told me that, surgery or not, it is always beneficial to use 'artificial tears' over things like Visine. Overuse of Visine or other similar brands can actually cause dependence on the product.
Wouldnt that be the case for artifical eyedrops too? As far as i know our body is a really ressource-effective machine. So when over a long period we feed it some artifical things that it used to produce by itself, it will recognize it and over time reduce the own production - or am I wrong?
I would rather work with your light and monitor brightness plus taking breaks(thumb rule: 1 hour - 5 minute break in which you RELAX your eye ... so don't watch streams in that time  ) and maybe watch your air humidity.
From my work (working for 8+ hours infront of the screen) I expierienced that often when you have dry eyes it has to do with your enviorment and less with your own body.
And for gaming its even worse as explained by the guy some posts above (less movment of your lid).
And btw; when your eyes hurt stop playing! Easiest thing to do
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I bottle the tears of the protoss and zerg i defeat then use them to keep my own eyes moist.
tbh, I prefer to let my body take care of itself. Just gotta remember to blink a bit and take a few minutes away from the monitor between games. Not hard really. Ive been playing computer games as long as i can remember, and my eyes are fine. I wonder if the drops are actually needed.
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I used Blink tears with no contacts and Renu when I have contacts on.
Don't use Clear Eyes, my doctor said it's bad for you.
There's a reason it's the cheapest.
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I'm glad Visine supported IPL, but it really is cheap crap and doesn't last nearly as long as the other brands.
Normally I use Refresh.
EDIT: I mean the artificial tears for both.
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I've always just used visine. The cheapest i could get.. because i'm a stoner.
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I use the tears from zerg players to keep my eyes from drying out, and since its someone else's tears its 100% organic.
all jokes aside I don't really need eye drops to keep my eyes from drying out, i just don't have that problem.
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I just use Optrex, a main brand in the UK. My eyes get so dry all the time :/
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On February 01 2012 01:58 Lumi wrote:
We talk about eye care now and then, simply reminding our fellow gamers to be careful about their eye care, just as we do with concerns for hand and wrist injuries. Visine has started asserting themselves as a sponsor within eSports, the Gunnar gaming glasses tout their lens design as leading to a more humid climate around the eye - so it really seems like this is something that a lot of us have some experience with, and interest in. But I've yet to see a conversation in our community about eyedrops, and anything else related to eye care.
I recently learned from my optometrist that I have very dry eyes that hardly produce their own moisturizing tears. Your eyes actually produce two kinds - the other being from emotional responses etc. Combining this factor with lots of actively staring at the monitor for gaming and movies, and regularly experiencing eyes that are hurting as the first indicator that I should get some sleep, it seems to me like I should start using eyedrops somewhat regularly, or at least have them on call.
I talked with this for a bit with my doctor, but I'd imagine that he's on some miniature payrolls with what products he suggests and gives out samples for, and he didn't seem like an especially nurturing dude. Still, I was made to understand that, of course, not all eye lubricants are created equal.
So, what is your experience like with various products. Are they all more or less the same, or are some missing critical ingredients etc. Which are too expensive and no better than other or generic brands? What, how and why do you use?
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I have some prescription eyedrops that are baller at preventing allergies/inflamation.
Only prescription I've had in years. Best shit I've ever had. It's like sex for your eyes.
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For some strange reason I don't get eye strain from playing games for a long time now, probably since I bought a new, bigger and better monitor.
It might also be due to the resolution (1920x1200 with an HDMI cable on a 24inch monitor). Everything looks clearer, better, so perhaps eye has to do less since the vision is clear? I have no idea.
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Personally I can't stand how Rohto feels in my eyes. That whole lava/burn thing freaks me out and I didn't feel any bunnies afterwards haha. I like the Systane eye drops that are just for dry eyes. Rohto is also like a eye whitener and apparently has some nasty preservatives in it.
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I don't use any kind of eye drops, but if I did, it would be Visine.
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/IODfa.png)
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Any artificial tears, lubricating eye-drops are great for remedying irritation of the eyes, even those caused by allergies!
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I was going to create a topic like this on this week.
I suffer the same dry eyes problem. I recently go the diagnose. Using something called "dioximethil-something 1%" a few times per day.
Also i need some help with something:
NEED SOME HELP HERE: I totally forget to blink during games. This plus dry eye is totally killer for my eyes.
I know there are some programs that some players are using to remind them to make workers, suplies, and so. I need a program to poop up during the game saying something like "Blink idiot!". Can someone post a link to any of those apps please??
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On February 01 2012 07:06 Belha wrote:
I was going to create a topic like this on this week.
I suffer the same dry eyes problem. I recently go the diagnose. Using something called "dioximethil-something 1%" a few times per day.
Also i need some help with something:
NEED SOME HELP HERE: I totally forget to blink during games. This plus dry eye is totally killer for my eyes.
I know there are some programs that some players are using to remind them to make workers, suplies, and so. I need a program to poop up during the game saying something like "Blink idiot!". Can someone post a link to any of those apps please??
I know they seem really trivial and useless, but Gunnar Optiks actually do relieve a lot of the eye strain from not blinking / dry eyes when playing. Granted they are a fairly large investment, for those of us who play a lot, they are really quite useful.
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My optometrist told me that Visine markets itself well but is actually a bad product. She said to look for "Doctor recommended" brands. I tried a couple, and stuck with Systane Ultra, as it was the most effective (quickest to act and longest lasting). The others I tried were Refresh and TheraTears. YMMV
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Visine, paired with Gunnars.
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I use Refresh and Optive, which are essentially the same brand. They work pretty well whether I have contacts in or not.
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I have a friend that puts a damp cloth on his eyes in between games or every few hours (depending on the game he's binging on) to help his eyes. It has mint in the water too...but I think that's just a personal preference not anything "medical."
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Ask HDStarcraft...i think he's addicted to Visine
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On February 01 2012 07:13 d_wAy wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2012 07:06 Belha wrote:
I was going to create a topic like this on this week.
I suffer the same dry eyes problem. I recently go the diagnose. Using something called "dioximethil-something 1%" a few times per day.
Also i need some help with something:
NEED SOME HELP HERE: I totally forget to blink during games. This plus dry eye is totally killer for my eyes.
I know there are some programs that some players are using to remind them to make workers, suplies, and so. I need a program to poop up during the game saying something like "Blink idiot!". Can someone post a link to any of those apps please??
I know they seem really trivial and useless, but Gunnar Optiks actually do relieve a lot of the eye strain from not blinking / dry eyes when playing. Granted they are a fairly large investment, for those of us who play a lot, they are really quite useful.
How do other users of Gunnar's feel about the impact on eye fatigue/dryness over a gaming session? Interested to hear from you.
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Yeah I would also like to hear feedback from people who use the Gunnar glasses
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On February 01 2012 09:20 Nethermind wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2012 07:13 d_wAy wrote:On February 01 2012 07:06 Belha wrote:
I was going to create a topic like this on this week.
I suffer the same dry eyes problem. I recently go the diagnose. Using something called "dioximethil-something 1%" a few times per day.
Also i need some help with something:
NEED SOME HELP HERE: I totally forget to blink during games. This plus dry eye is totally killer for my eyes.
I know there are some programs that some players are using to remind them to make workers, suplies, and so. I need a program to poop up during the game saying something like "Blink idiot!". Can someone post a link to any of those apps please??
I know they seem really trivial and useless, but Gunnar Optiks actually do relieve a lot of the eye strain from not blinking / dry eyes when playing. Granted they are a fairly large investment, for those of us who play a lot, they are really quite useful. How do other users of Gunnar's feel about the impact on eye fatigue/dryness over a gaming session? Interested to hear from you.
I use gunnars for coding sessions (and i started wearing them when i play dota with friends (we usually play for quite a long time)) and i must say they do help me. It takes a while to get used to them (im not used to wearing glasses) but they definitely help with dryness and fatigue. They are not cheap but i think if you stare into pc a lot, they are well worth the investment
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I used to wear contacts before I started playing alot of computer games. For some reason, when i play on the computer, my eyes turn into googly eyes and float everywhere. Have to wear glasses now... Never used drops... maybe I should do i can see like a pro
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Sigh... Gunnars are just tinted glasses with an anti-reflective coating, and slight magnification. You can find the exact same properties out of much, much cheaper hunting/shooting glasses.
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On February 02 2012 02:29 Jibba wrote:
Sigh... Gunnars are just tinted glasses with an anti-reflective coating, and slight magnification. You can find the exact same properties out of much, much cheaper hunting/shooting glasses.
That may or may not be true...either way, though, they do help
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I've heard from several eye doctors that almost all over-the-counter eyedrops are pretty bad for your eyes (Visine, Clear Eyes, etc.). I personally use generic saline solution (.09 percent or something), which should be the same as artificial tears--using anything else regularly could cause damage.
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Why would you EVER buy gunnars?
The program F.lux does the EXACT SAME THING
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On February 02 2012 04:18 1sz2sz3sz wrote:
Why would you EVER buy gunnars?
The program F.lux does the EXACT SAME THING
That's not true at all...all F.lux does is update your colors/brightness/whatever according to the time of the day.
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absolutely GenTeal Moderate to Severe Liquid Gel drops.
visine (especially the kind with astringent) can actually lead to a dependence on the drops, where your eyes just are dry and red anytime you're not using the drops. i know, it happened to me.
GenTeal has no extra ingredients in it (astringent/antihistamine/etc), and is actually a thicker lubricating fluid - to more closely mimic the actual lubricating tears in your eye. try it, youll never switch back, i guarantee it.
the only gripe i have is that the bottle makes very large drops, and with just one drop in each eye, i have to dab a little of the extra.
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On February 02 2012 04:18 1sz2sz3sz wrote:
Why would you EVER buy gunnars?
The program F.lux does the EXACT SAME THING
i know this is a gaming forum but... f.lux would be disastrous to a designer lol... i rely on the calibration of my monitor.
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You can try BLINKING more. Seriously, when you're in the zone you won't even realize how much you aren't blinking and of course take breaks every hour to rest your eyes. You should all know this but don't play in a completely dark room~ have a lamp nearby. It's not healthy for your eyes to just stare at your monitor with no other light in the room.
I haven't used eyedrops in years~ but the ones I used were the Visine: Allergy kind~ it had a green sticker on it lol.
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Hey, you could give our eye drops a try they have great reviews from people who have eye issues in general. Just search online for NAC Drops, you can even find them on Amazon!
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