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On January 31 2012 06:08 JustPassingBy wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2012 05:45 aDd3z wrote:
well he won the semis...i dont understand why he dosnt get second place. 1. came late to the appointed time 2. wanted time off immediately (whether to play the other finals or to eat, don't know) 3. after that time off, told the organizers that he won't play and that they either move the finals to tomorrow or take his forfeit.
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On January 31 2012 06:06 magnaflow wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2012 06:05 dsousa wrote:On January 31 2012 06:03 magnaflow wrote:
Wait.. did I read that tyler also forfetied during that tournament? Yes, he did. No explanation given. ......... wait, what? Where's the Tyler hate thread then?
There should not be a Tyler hate thread, but there also should not be a Stephano hate thread either. What both players did was pretty unprofessional, especially since this was a tournament were the community had a hand in deciding who got to play.
We know why Stephano forfeited, but I think we as a community deserve an explanation from Tyler on why he dropped out. I realize that he has depression issues, and it is very unfortunate, but if it was the cause, simply make a statement, but don't leave your fans and the community in the dark.
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On January 31 2012 06:09 OpticalShot wrote:
I don't see anything "terribly wrong" with either of Stephano's or ONOG's decision here. Stephano was tired and didn't want to play - so he forfeited, okay. People are making parallels with the Naniwa case, but there's a definite difference in the course of action here. Naniwa grudged on and delivered something in extremely poor taste, Stephano chose not to deliver anything at all. As an organizer, ONOG did what it could to muster up a proper "finals" for the tournament, good for them.
edit: wrong information
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Online tournament that not too many people see (it's not gsl or mlg..) and a clash of masstournaments, it's unfortunate..
We cant blame him rly, he doesnt know how far he will go in all tournaments, if he loses in round 1 in one and gets to the finals in another this is a great way of doing online tournaments as a player.. this was just unlucky that he went far in both.
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So, he asked for a delay, admins agree to his request, and still, he forfeits?
Really bm from Stephano.
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Stephano logging out may not have been the best decision, but its hard to take the ONOG seriously when it was run as badly as it was.
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FYI Satouri
race=/=nationality
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On January 31 2012 05:49 Hot_Bid wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2012 05:46 cyclone25 wrote:
What is the purpose of this thread? The incident has been discussed a lot on the ONOG thread. The purpose of the thread is to provide information that summarizes a bunch of sources. Do you really feel its more appropriate for users to dig through 200+ pages to find information in a live report thread? Besides, this thread includes information and links that you can't find in the ONOG LR thread anyway. Since when is more information, especially information that is easily accessible, and reporting with actual sources a bad thing?
Didn't ONOG also offer to play the Final match before 3rd place play-off and cast them from replays which he also declined? Didn't see that in the OP.
But really like a lot of other dramas/news (even in the "real world") people grossly over exaggerate everything and it all gets blown out of proportion very quickly keeping it in the public(or SC) eye for far too long. Things like this is news - and the OP has summarised it [near] perfectly, barring the casting from replays part.
ONOG punished Stephano for not finishing the tournament, and switched the 3rd place play-off in order to keep viewers happy.
Stephano had to forfeit the tournament for health reasons. It may not have been professional, but the way ONOG acted was professional and fair. Stephano should have the right to pull out of an on-going tournament. He does not have the right to pull out of an on-going tournament and go unpunished.
Both parties did what was best, nothing really more to add.
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And do some people, get your facts straight! He did not declare that he will not be playing anymore, he asked for a whether it was possible to reschedule his games, they said it was not so Stephano left the tournament.
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I totally agree that someone forfeiting the final match is a huge blow to adverts, sponsors, etc. and therefore I can see why the tournament organizers are upset. On top of that Stephano could have been a little bit more apologetic or professional about it, but the reality is that it was a very small event and he was likely extremely tired and the show that would have been put on would not have been the one that they were waiting for.
However, unless you have outlined rules preventing this behavior, or setting up a penalty structure, etc beforehand then it's completely unprofessional to penalize Stephano in this situation. The reality is that the tournament organizer should never have given Stephano that extra 1 hour for dinner or whatever without consulting the other player.
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Very unfortunate that the tournament was drawn in such late hours and Stephano wasn't able to play at that time. Whatever his reason was, I think he had a real reason to forfeit. No one just forfeits when is in a final for a small reason. Of course people are dissapointed, but things like these happen and we all just have to move on.
Edit: More to think of it, Stephano should've played the games and not make his own rules that would possibly hurt other people. Pretty unprofessional, really.
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Russian Federation112 Posts
I dont understand the meaning of this thread...
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Dear tournament organizers:
Online tournaments are a touchy thing, and I understand you were in a difficult position. I know I don't have all the information about the situation, but your decisions here were a little funky. Was it understood and in the rules that an intentional forfeit would be punished with a demotion in the final standings? If so, I congratulate you on having a good rule set that encourages your players to be available while trying to give your fans the best show possible. If not, this is shameful! Stop screwing over your players for situations that you didn't anticipate, and never go back on the rules mid-tournament. Dealing with the unexpected is an organizer problem and not a player problem. Hopefully you've learned a little about the inherent difficulty in running a world-wide online tournament and are better prepared in the future. Best of luck to you!
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On January 31 2012 06:11 Gackt_ wrote:
Online tournament that not too many people see (it's not gsl or mlg..) and a clash of masstournaments, it's unfortunate..
We cant blame him rly, he doesnt know how far he will go in all tournaments, if he loses in round 1 in one and gets to the finals in another this is a great way of doing online tournaments as a player.. this was just unlucky that he went far in both.
I don't know about ONOG but I watched the Scan invitational earlier in the day and at peak I believe they had 30k viewers, these " smaller " tournaments have a lot of people watching these days. TB's show match they are doing right now has about 15k-16k as well. That's ridiculous for a show match. Letting down thousands of people will always have negative consequences and backlash from the community.
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On January 31 2012 06:12 Kuskinator wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2012 05:49 Hot_Bid wrote:On January 31 2012 05:46 cyclone25 wrote:
What is the purpose of this thread? The incident has been discussed a lot on the ONOG thread. The purpose of the thread is to provide information that summarizes a bunch of sources. Do you really feel its more appropriate for users to dig through 200+ pages to find information in a live report thread? Besides, this thread includes information and links that you can't find in the ONOG LR thread anyway. Since when is more information, especially information that is easily accessible, and reporting with actual sources a bad thing? Didn't ONOG also offer to play the Final match before 3rd place play-off and cast them from replays which he also declined? Didn't see that in the OP. But really like a lot of other dramas/news (even in the "real world") people grossly over exaggerate everything and it all gets blown out of proportion very quickly keeping it in the public(or SC) eye for far too long. Things like this is news - and the OP has summarised it [near] perfectly, barring the casting from replays part. ONOG punished Stephano for not finishing the tournament, and switched the 3rd place play-off in order to keep viewers happy. Stephano had to forfeit the tournament for health reasons. It may not have been professional, but the way ONOG acted was professional and fair. Stephano should have the right to pull out of an on-going tournament. He does not have the right to pull out of an on-going tournament and go unpunished. Both parties did what was best, nothing really more to add.
good post. completely agree.
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His behavior has always been bad. I think he should just be banned from some tournaments and just be done with it. Saying rude things is chat is one thing. Just quitting because you're tired is another. Have some respect for the people who put on tourneys, the fans and the money and effort that make your lifestyle possible.
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On January 31 2012 06:09 FlamingForce wrote:
He had been playing all day, give the man a break you whiners.
So if a player competes all day at an MLG event, makes it to the finals, and then forfeits because he's too tired to continue, we should give the guy a break?
It's basic sportsmanship to fulfill the debts you have to a person or group. In Stephano's case, he was expected and obligated to fulfill the demands set upon him when he decided to enter ONOG (i.e., continuing to perform to the best of his ability until eliminated). It reflects badly on himself (and by extension, his team) if he fails to finish what he starts.
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On January 31 2012 05:57 Witten wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2012 05:54 tekos44 wrote:
Good way to keep this drama alive
after all, more drama means more page views for tl If this hadn't of been posted then I would have never known it would happen. Isn't that the point of news? Very unprofessional of Stephano. Overbooks tournaments and then blames the tournament organizers for his own mistakes. I wasn't really a fan anyways, but now I'm more-so not a fan.
Sums up my opinion on the subject perfectly. I saw his games against illusion, but I wasn't online to watch the finals and so wound up very confused when he ended up not coming in first or second. This post clears it all up, so I'm certainly glad it's here.
As far as the tournament result... Stephano's fault for overbooking. Looks to me like the organizers tried their best to be accommodating, and he let them down. I think the punishment is fine, so long as the admins gave him a warning before he logged off and forfeited. I also don't see what the problem would have been if he had played "bad" games instead of just out right quitting... but it maybe can't be helped.
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On January 31 2012 06:08 skipdog172 wrote:
The worst part of this is the simple fact that Stephano sees nothing wrong with what he did and with absolutely no apology to ONOG.
You can forfeit because you are tired and accept the consequences, but to not even understand why people would be displeased with you is quite surprising.
Just gotta remind myself that he's an 18 year old kid... can't expect much. Love watching him play regardless.
For anybody to say that leaving in the finals of a tournament isn't disrespectful to the organizers and the fans is kidding themselves.
He made a personal apology to me and we talked in Skype. I also tried to explain my reasoning in the other thread to hopefully make it more clear why I moved him back instead of DQ'ing him. I tried my best to work out a compromise.
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I don't see any problem with any of the events, the tournament ran way late (their fault), Stephano didn't want to play as he hadn't planned to play that late (would be terrible games). The tournament reorganized the final appropriately, giving other players the chance to still win. I doubt Stephano really cares about 4th place instead of 2nd. Of course, Stephano shouldn't be able to deny the finals of a business event, therefore the right decision was chosen by the organizers.
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