On January 31 2012 05:51 phyren wrote:
I don't see what the big deal is. It is unfortunate that Stephano felt unable to compete and perhaps slightly unprofessional depending on how exactly he communicated this and what the time schedule planned ahead of the event was. None the less, he told the tournament organizers that he couldn't do it that day and chose to forfeit if accommodations couldn't be made. The tournament decided they couldn't change the schedule, so he forfeits and his place goes to the next highest placing player. Seems pretty reasonable on all accounts.

well the way it's talked about on here is that he sent a message saying play another day or i forfeit and then logged off, as in giving ONOG an ultimatum. how is that reasonable?

Deleted User 137586

7859 Posts

January 30 2012 20:53 GMT

#44

On January 31 2012 05:49 Hot_Bid wrote:

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The purpose of the thread is to provide information that summarizes a bunch of sources. Do you really feel its more appropriate for users to dig through 200+ pages to find information in a live report thread? Besides, this thread includes information and links that you can't find in the ONOG LR thread anyway.

Since when is more information, especially information that is easily accessible, and reporting with actual sources a bad thing?

Since the "easily accessible information" doesn't include a link to the original LR thread (page 68-113 currently), the same stupid arguments will be voiced again.

Lysanias

Netherlands8351 Posts

January 30 2012 20:54 GMT

#45

On January 31 2012 05:49 checkSIX wrote:
It was 2.30 AM and stephano had to be in school at 8.00, so if he would wait for 3rd place finishers and then play long finals he could go sleep at best at about 5.00-6.00 and he would only get 1-2 hours of sleep. He is only a human being after all and he needs to sleep. I feel like he didn't do anything wrong.

Though you feel that it's all fine, he did not handle that very well and a organisation has to suffer for it. Honestly it would be nice to have some kind of official ruling for this, players all want to be treated fair and that's there good right, then again they themself should act fair aswell.

aDd3z

Germany885 Posts

January 30 2012 20:54 GMT

#46

On January 31 2012 05:48 Jamial wrote:

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Because he screwed the tournament creators out of the most important match of the entire tournament. Because he had made too many commitments. It's Stephanos fault, it seems the tournament creators did basically everything they could to accomodate him, and even so, he screwed them over.

Well, but if all tournaments do this from now on, people like stephano will stay to play and they will play shitty games because they are tired and waste everybodys time.

Yomi-no-Kuni

Germany333 Posts

January 30 2012 20:54 GMT

#47

These kind of things are pretty preditable and shouldn't happen...
why can't some major tournament directors (like MLG/NASL/ w/e... eventhough these mostly offline) make something like a "proposed-guideline" too handeling difficulties like this?
I mean there are only so many cases that can screw up a tournament, so why not do something like that?

e.g.
if the player cannot attend the match due to tourney issues: do this and that, if this does not work, give player another chance
if the player cannot attend the match due to own fault: do this and that
if the player cannot attend the match due to technical issues: do this and that, if technical issues is on player side do this, if on tourney side do this and give player another chance
.
.
.

why? wouldn't be too hard and it would stop all these "Upsets" we're having with forfeiting players.

checkSIX

9 Posts

January 30 2012 20:54 GMT

#48

On January 31 2012 05:51 pPingu wrote:

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I believe stephano doesn't go to school

afaik he's still in secondary school as he often stated that his goal in sc2 is to make as much money before finishing secondary school/retire from gaming and going to university

Mementoss

Canada2595 Posts

January 30 2012 20:54 GMT

#49

If he was really tired he should have opted for a couple cheeses and all-ins and 1 standard game. Give himself a chance at least to win and not make the tournament not have an official final.

tekos44

France280 Posts

January 30 2012 20:54 GMT

#50

Good way to keep this drama alive

after all, more drama means more page views for tl

Sated

England4983 Posts

January 30 2012 20:55 GMT

#51

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Caryc

Germany330 Posts

January 30 2012 20:56 GMT

#52

just pointing out that naniwas game was a game that didnt mean anything while stephanos was the finals of a first time event for barcrafts.
but i guess he was really tired so he couldnt even 4 ga.. roach all in

Wren

United States745 Posts

January 30 2012 20:56 GMT

#53

Have a cup of coffee or your favorite energy drink, play a match. This forfeit simply baffles me.

He was playing well enough to make it to the finals, couldn't have been in that bad of shape.

Deleted User 137586

7859 Posts

January 30 2012 20:56 GMT

#54

On January 31 2012 05:54 tekos44 wrote:

Good way to keep this drama alive

after all, more drama means more page views for tl

This was posted literally half an hour after the LR thread quieted down...

Edit: No, I don't think this thread is for "more links".

dsousa

United States1363 Posts

January 30 2012 20:56 GMT

#55

On January 31 2012 05:53 ohmkerg wrote:

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well the way it's talked about on here is that he sent a message saying play another day or i forfeit and then logged off, as in giving ONOG an ultimatum. how is that reasonable?

Its efficient, that's how. Rather than blah blah for 20 minutes, Stephano, said.... Play tomorrow, or I forfeit.... I can't go on. They say, can't play tomorrow. That means forfeit. That's the facts

The rest is window dressing and terminology.... wasted APM.

Stephano doesn't bluff! He was honest and laid out his situation, he gave up $1500.

Its just mob mentality to be upset at that. He earned the right to be in the finals, he gave up the prize money and prestige, yet its the SC2 community that acts like its been robbed.

Watch his match vs. Illusion, that series happened.... be thankful.

TheTurk

United States732 Posts

January 30 2012 20:56 GMT

#56

Lol Stephano such a badass.
If you find his proposition unreasonable, just disqualify him.
No need for drama.
That Naniwa shit has been discussed enough, and maybe there's a parallel, but who cares?
Move on please.

Nouar

France3270 Posts

January 30 2012 20:57 GMT

#57

On January 31 2012 05:49 Hot_Bid wrote:

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Having it on Liquipedia would have been enough imo. To my knowledge (well from MrBitter's in fact) Stephano hasn't filed any complaints about the decision, so I still don't get why this thread. It's like, asking for more shitstorm and repeating the other thread over again, over ONOG and Stephano.

Floobie

England296 Posts

January 30 2012 20:57 GMT

#58

There was nothing wrong with what Stephano did.

There was nothing wrong with what ONOG did either.

Happy that Stephano played until he did, and happy ONOG saw it fit to give us viewers even more games once he decided he couldnt stay up any longer.

Incursus

United States415 Posts

January 30 2012 20:57 GMT

#59

I cannot help but feel that this matter has been over complicated by people.

My take on the situation, Stephano is exhausted and forfeits, as is his right. The tournament reacts by having the 3-4rd place players play for the spot in the finals.

I fail to see an issue with Stephano forfeiting, I mean, are we to establish a rule against forfeiting? What if I am playing an online cup and I start having pain for some reason or my dinner boils over and I cannot make it to play? Are we really, going to be angry and mad that Stephano forfeited? Hasn't forfeiting been a part of sports since you know...it began?

I do not get this at all, had it been any player forfeiting I would feel the same for the record.

Delphi

Germany88 Posts

January 30 2012 20:57 GMT

#60

Yesterday i played the EU zotac cup and lost to Polt in the semis.
Polt was playing another tournament in the meantime and forfeited the zotac finals.
The admins decided to just give the final-contender the win without playing the finals, i think what ONOG admins did was perfectly fine and right for them, the audience and as a statement.
Brave and good decision.