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On January 31 2012 06:33 rabidbot wrote:
Tyler wasn't deep in the bracket, and he hadn't personally held up an entire tourney to play in that tourney, then quit before it was over. So I'm not sure we need a thread on why he quit.
Which you could say was even worse. Stephano actually played, Tyler quit after losing 1 match. I really want to know why Tyler dropped.
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On January 31 2012 06:31 halvorg wrote:
I don't see the problem, Stephano forfeited the finals of a mediocre online tournament when they refused to postpone it. Being upset that Stephano refuses to play when beat up and tired at a very unreasonable time for any person to compete in anything is strange to me.
Oh well, I guess ONOG can ban the best foreign player if they want to.
I wish other tournaments would ban him too, this is such a lack of respect for fans and organizers he should be made an example of it imho. Integrity and professionalism should count for something, even in such a young sports discipline as e-sports.
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Stephano should learn about professionalism and hard work. And I do think it's a great idea to publish this kind of thing, it is an additional penalty to being unprofessional: everybody knows and your reputation suffers, as it should.
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On January 31 2012 06:33 rabidbot wrote:
Tyler wasn't deep in the bracket, and he hadn't personally held up an entire tourney to play in that tourney, then quit before it was over. So I'm not sure we need a thread on why he quit.
Maybe no thread, but at least some kind of statement.
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On January 31 2012 06:26 FaRess wrote:Poll: Do you want to see the same thread about tyler forfeiting his matches?Yes (121) 71% No (33) 19% Neither should exist ! (16) 9% 170 total votes Your vote: Do you want to see the same thread about tyler forfeiting his matches? (Vote): Yes
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(Vote): Neither should exist !
I don't really think there needs to be a thread about Tyler persay, but it's holding a pretty bad double standard when a thread like this is spotlighting on community news, while not even a statement from TL or Tyler is released. I think we as a community deserve an explanation at the very least.
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On January 31 2012 06:35 FaRess wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2012 06:28 mindspike wrote:
Tyler forfeiting is not entirely the same. Yes it was bad form but if Stephano had forfeited at the beginning of the tournament like Tyler had, it wouldn't have been as big of a deal. Poll: Do you want to see the same thread about tyler forfeiting his matches?Yes (121) 71% No (33) 19% Neither should exist ! (16) 9% 170 total votes Your vote: Do you want to see the same thread about tyler forfeiting his matches? (Vote): Yes
(Vote): No
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people disagree with you, at the end of the day, I'm completely fine with ONOG decision that was the right choice, it's just the hypocrisy that is being displayed here that is mind blowing[/QUOTE]
It depends on why he forfeited.
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On January 31 2012 06:26 JohnMatrix wrote:
The majority of tournaments organisers should really really think about postpone matches when the schedule doesn't allow to a X player to play for some reasons (problem of an internet connection, time zone, emergency of any kind, etc.) but of course would be REALLY valuable reasons to prevent abuses.
I don't think if there was an emergency there would be a huge problem to move the schedule or work something out. "His mother just had a car accident" is something you can explain to the viewers "he's too tired to play, he knew the schedule and stuff but whatever" not so much.
Time zones isn't/should not be a problem. When you sign up/accept an invite for a tournament you know the schedule and should be able to estimate how long it'll take. If you are not sure you can play long enough, don't sign up/accept -_-
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Tired? Go get an energy drink or something and just deal with it.
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The drama potential of the SC2 community never seizes to amaze. Some people have a really strict sleeping schedule, I know several ppl who basically turn into mindless zombies if they stay up too late. He basically said no to alot of money because he was too tired to play that day and they refused to reschedule from what I understand, all gamers aren't robots.
Whether you like/dislike what he did, there's no need for all the drama. There's more drama, rumours and speculation in SC2 threads like this than at a sewing meeting for grumpy old women. This mentality only seems to apply to Starcraft, other games don't have all this drama for every little thing.
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What he did was perfectly acceptable. He understood that if he played he would have shown very bad games and lost regardless. He was even penalized further then just losing the Match he got demoted to 4th place versus getting second place prized money. So to those people saying oh if we had Kespa he could be punished etc,,, He was punished and thats that.
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On January 31 2012 06:35 s4life wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2012 06:31 halvorg wrote:
I don't see the problem, Stephano forfeited the finals of a mediocre online tournament when they refused to postpone it. Being upset that Stephano refuses to play when beat up and tired at a very unreasonable time for any person to compete in anything is strange to me.
Oh well, I guess ONOG can ban the best foreign player if they want to. I wish other tournaments would ban him too, this is such a lack of respect for fans and organizers he should be made an example of it imho. Integrity and professionalism should count for something, even in such a young sports discipline as e-sports.
"Made an example of"? Thank you very much for your "humble" opinion.
This is going so far out of proportion that im actually worried.
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On January 31 2012 06:37 Gurgl wrote:
The drama potential of the SC2 community never seizes to amaze. Some people have a really strict sleeping schedule, I know several ppl who basically turn into mindless zombies if they stay up too late. He basically said no to alot of money because he was too tired to play that day and they refused to reschedule from what I understand, all gamers aren't robots.
Whether you like/dislike what he did, there's no need for all the drama. There's more drama, rumours and speculation in SC2 threads like this than at a sewing meeting for grumpy old women. This mentality only seems to apply to Starcraft, other games don't have all this drama for every little thing.
problem is he said a lot more than no to just the money. the fans and the volunteers that got the prize pool he also said 'no' to
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seems pretty reasonable by both parties. ONOG gets a final match that all the spectators want, and Stephano forfeits (but still receives some of the prize money). ONOG needs to provide for its spectators, and completely stopping the scheduled event is unacceptable; on the other hand, if stephano feels he cant play then he shouldn't play. the only controversy i would see would be if stephano was demanding the second place prize money, but i dont see that he is doing that. if he were, i would say fuck him.
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Do you see Stephano complaining about the decision somewhere ? No. End of the problem. We can stop talking about it.
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On January 31 2012 05:49 Hot_Bid wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2012 05:46 cyclone25 wrote:
What is the purpose of this thread? The incident has been discussed a lot on the ONOG thread. The purpose of the thread is to provide information that summarizes a bunch of sources. Do you really feel its more appropriate for users to dig through 200+ pages to find information in a live report thread? Besides, this thread includes information and links that you can't find in the ONOG LR thread anyway. Since when is more information, especially information that is easily accessible, and reporting with actual sources a bad thing?
I appreciate this, considering I missed half the drama and found out through some threads and streams. It's nice to have a central thread focusing on the issue where all sides are displayed.
I feel sorry that the ONOG admins had to put up with this crap; it sounds like Stephano was issuing ultimatums and assuming he was in control of the situation, when instead he should have been more respectful of the tournament rules and responsible of the situation he had knowingly put himself in from the second he signed up for two tournaments at the same time.
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On January 31 2012 06:36 Gojira621 wrote:
Tired? Go get an energy drink or something and just deal with it.
Upset you can't see a stephano game? Just log in to TL and post about it.
Stephano is a child and one of my least favorite pros but at least he's better than the privileged, and often times racist spectators.
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I'm very sad to see that the TeamLiquid ESPORTS squad (the OP is not signed, so i'm forced to considere that they all agree with this thread, including players), considere that a forfeit of Stephano is more important for esport's image and needs a special news, than a player who deeply insult other players and shows an hard homophobic attitude during his streams featured on TL.
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Both Tyler and Stephano should be reprimanded.
Such hypocrites are some people when they preach about "ESPORTS" and then turn around and defend actions like this.
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[QUOTE]On January 31 2012 06:36 nam nam wrote:
[QUOTE]On January 31 2012 06:35 FaRess wrote:
[QUOTE]On January 31 2012 06:28 mindspike wrote:
Tyler forfeiting is not entirely the same. Yes it was bad form but if Stephano had forfeited at the beginning of the tournament like Tyler had, it wouldn't have been as big of a deal.[/QUOTE]
Poll: Do you want to see the same thread about tyler forfeiting his matches?Yes (121) 71% No (33) 19% Neither should exist ! (16) 9% 170 total votes Your vote: Do you want to see the same thread about tyler forfeiting his matches? (Vote): Yes
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Does Tyler still plays SC2 ? I thought he forfeited his SC2 career long ago, should try commentating SC2 if he's too lazy to play it/train, but when you cast it's hard to forfeit too 
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On January 31 2012 06:30 eYeball wrote:
Waiting for another thread regarding Tyler to show up any second now, TeamLiquid Esports.
I am not sure whether people are actually serious about this, do you really think that there should be a thread every time someone forfeits in a tournament? Do you truly think that "Tyler forfeits round 1 of tournament" is worth a thread by itself? It is not a notable news worthy event. The situation with Stephano in the finals of a major invitational (3k prize pool) is something that never happened before, and about a player who is one of the best (if not the best) non-Koreans.
Think about what would happen in either scenario:
1. We make a thread just about Tyler forfeiting
People complain because it clearly isn't news worthy. Tyler dropping out in the first round doesn't really affect the tournament. Tyler isn't winning championships and didn't forfeit in the finals. People will say its just TL "hyping another one of their players who doesn't get results" etc.
2. We don't make a thread about Tyler forfeiting
People react like they are in this thread
Tyler forfeiting doesn't fit in this thread, and isn't even close to the level of notability / newsworthiness that this situation with Stephano is. It seems a bit unfair and far too easy to just point and yell bias all the time. I still don't understand whether people actually believe there should be a thread about Tyler's forfeit or whether they just like finding things to complain about.
If it was any other player forfeiting (not Tyler) in the first round, we still wouldn't make a thread about it.
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