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On January 31 2012 06:29 skipdog172 wrote:
Teamliquid didn't make this thread. It was the organizers of the tournament wanting to explain the reasonings behind moving Stephano to 4th place.
Nobody demanded Stephano make a thread to explain his size. Asking Teamliquid to make a 'explain what happened to Tyler' thread is ridiculous and honestly has nothing to do with this instance. It is a completely different unrelated situation.
An account called TeamLiquid ESPORTS created this thread. I'm thinking it has something to do with Team Liquid
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On January 31 2012 05:45 k1mjee wrote:
Stephano's turning into the next Naniwa.
He's been worse than Nani for a while, just doesn't get as much media attention for his actions for one reason of another, probably b/c he has a humorous personality whereas Nani seems like a stick in the proverbial mud.
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On January 31 2012 06:29 skipdog172 wrote:
Teamliquid didn't make this thread. It was the organizers of the tournament wanting to explain the reasonings behind moving Stephano to 4th place.
Nobody demanded Stephano make a thread to explain his size. Asking Teamliquid to make a 'explain what happened to Tyler' thread is ridiculous and honestly has nothing to do with this instance. It is a completely different unrelated situation.
look at who created the thread : TeamLiquid ESPORTS , what are talking about ???
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Waiting for another thread regarding Tyler to show up any second now, TeamLiquid Esports.
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On January 31 2012 06:29 skipdog172 wrote:
Teamliquid didn't make this thread. It was the organizers of the tournament wanting to explain the reasonings behind moving Stephano to 4th place.
Nobody demanded Stephano make a thread to explain his size. Asking Teamliquid to make a 'explain what happened to Tyler' thread is ridiculous and honestly has nothing to do with this instance. It is a completely different unrelated situation.
Nope, it isn't.
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On January 31 2012 06:30 Kireak wrote:
If you forfeit, shouldnt you be disqualified and removed out of the results all together?
Anyhow, Stephano is just a 18y/o kid that thinks that the world revolves around him. These things are to be expected.
I'll have to agree with this. I can't understand why people actually whine about the outcome.
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100% support ONOG.
One thing that kind of irks me... a lot of people are saying that "being tired" is an acceptable excuse for missing the finals of a tournament. This to me is bullshit of the highest order. Being tired is not an acceptable excuse for letting yourself, your team, your fans, and the mostly volunteer tournament organizers down.
Maybe you will say "no, he was realllyyyyyy tired." Drink some coffee and play seven games of starcraft. It's really not that hard
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On January 31 2012 06:17 andis35 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2012 06:14 Proko wrote:
His behavior has always been bad. I think he should just be banned from some tournaments and just be done with it. Saying rude things is chat is one thing. Just quitting because you're tired is another. Have some respect for the people who put on tourneys, the fans and the money and effort that make your lifestyle possible. So he should just play even he is tired? And what if he feels sick? And what if he is REALLY sick? The question is where you draw the line. In my opinion player chooses the line and in this case Stephano decided he is not going to play.
In other sports and events (such as MLG), you sometimes just have to play when you're tired. Forfeiting when you haven't lost is unhonorable and bad ethics. Sometimes there are games of endurance in the physical form and "strongest" player is to be the winner. Starcraft involves physical activity and if you aren't shape in par to the other players and you have these stretches of endurance, then you basically aren't worthy the win. In Stephano's shoes it would that he wasn't able to maintain physical performance vs. the other player that was able to play more games. Keep in mind that it was later night in Ukraine than in France, so practically you could say that Stephano had the minor edge.
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I don't see the problem, Stephano forfeited the finals of a mediocre online tournament when they refused to postpone it. Being upset that Stephano refuses to play when beat up and tired at a very unreasonable time for any person to compete in anything is strange to me.
Oh well, I guess ONOG can ban the best foreign player if they want to.
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I think this is okay. Stephano should have played the finals, but it's still understandable that he didn't. The tournament's response was excellent. Not much else to say here.
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On January 31 2012 06:30 magnaflow wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2012 06:29 skipdog172 wrote:
Teamliquid didn't make this thread. It was the organizers of the tournament wanting to explain the reasonings behind moving Stephano to 4th place.
Nobody demanded Stephano make a thread to explain his size. Asking Teamliquid to make a 'explain what happened to Tyler' thread is ridiculous and honestly has nothing to do with this instance. It is a completely different unrelated situation. An account called TeamLiquid ESPORTS created this thread. I'm thinking it has something to do with Team Liquid
That's a site account for news, similar to automated ban list.
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On January 31 2012 06:31 Leetley wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2012 06:17 andis35 wrote:On January 31 2012 06:14 Proko wrote:
His behavior has always been bad. I think he should just be banned from some tournaments and just be done with it. Saying rude things is chat is one thing. Just quitting because you're tired is another. Have some respect for the people who put on tourneys, the fans and the money and effort that make your lifestyle possible. So he should just play even he is tired? And what if he feels sick? And what if he is REALLY sick? The question is where you draw the line. In my opinion player chooses the line and in this case Stephano decided he is not going to play. In other sports and events (such as MLG), you sometimes just have to play when you're tired. Forfeiting when you haven't lost is unhonorable and bad ethics. Sometimes there are games of endurance in the physical form and "strongest" player is to be the winner. Starcraft involves physical activity and if you aren't shape in par to the other players and you have these stretches of endurance, then you basically aren't worthy the win. In Stephano's shoes it would that he wasn't able to maintain physical performance vs. the other player that was able to play more games. Keep in mind that it was later night in Ukraine than in France, so practically you could say that Stephano had the minor edge.
Well, he deserved what he had already achieved and it was 2nd place.
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The tournament's purpose is to attract viewers and advertise their sponsors. If a player stops them from doing this by taking away a finals set, the problem is not that they have been disrespected, or that the player has let down the audience, it is that
they are hurting the tournament in a very real business sense.
I'm stating this because I think some people have the idea that it is just as if it is the player that this matters to and his fans. And that because of this, there is no real problem and no need for an apology or punishment. I disagree with that, this harms the tournament and should not be seen as okay in any way.
Perhaps he did not think through his actions, but I hope he matures for future tournaments as he is a great player.
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I think Stephano should not have accepted invites for two tournaments on the same day. If a Progamer accepts an invite, he has to give his best. Thats part of professionalism in my opinion.
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Tyler wasn't deep in the bracket, and he hadn't personally held up an entire tourney to play in that tourney, then quit before it was over. So I'm not sure we need a thread on why he quit.
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On January 31 2012 06:24 Marou wrote:
I think TL making a headline off of this is pushing the thing a little bit to far...although those kind of problem highlights real problems in pro-gaming : Should we expect players to play tournament games past 2AM ? I don't think so.
I was watching the stream and i was disappointed when i heard he forfeited, i instantly though about many of the korean pros that often accepts to play at ridiculous hours in the night for foreigners entertainment ; /
Then he shouldn't have accepted the invitation if he wasn't prepared to play that late (it's not 2 am for all the players you know) or not play several hours before that and rest up. You can't have a live tournament with players from all over the world without someone having to play at a bad time (I'm not saying it couldn't have been better though). Not being 45 minutes late helps as well... He acts like players are entitled to behave any way he like no matter what. It's a privelege to get invited to this kind of tournament and if he wants to act like a professional he should respect that.
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Stephano is just too good! Getting to 2 finals on the same day would not happen to anyone else.
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A man needs to sleep wasn't he playing like 2 tournaments or something simultaneously
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Not sure what the big deal is, he forfeited. *shrug*
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On January 31 2012 06:28 mindspike wrote:
Tyler forfeiting is not entirely the same. Yes it was bad form but if Stephano had forfeited at the beginning of the tournament like Tyler had, it wouldn't have been as big of a deal.
Poll: Do you want to see the same thread about tyler forfeiting his matches?Yes (121) 71% No (33) 19% Neither should exist ! (16) 9% 170 total votes Your vote: Do you want to see the same thread about tyler forfeiting his matches? (Vote): Yes
(Vote): No
(Vote): Neither should exist !
people disagree with you, at the end of the day, I'm completely fine with ONOG decision that was the right choice, it's just the hypocrisy that is being displayed here that is mind blowing
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