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On January 29 2012 01:37 Shiori wrote: I'm going to do everyone a favour and go through the entire NA list and explain where people are having issues:
Slush- Fine. He's managed to take at least a few wins in recent MLGs Kiwikai- Fine. He beat Stephano and performed well at the beginning of last year as well. Rain- Obviously fine. Sheth- Fine. Solid player with consistent results. Incontrol- No. This guy does not deserve to be invited. I love Incontrol on SotG, but he only did well in like 1 MLG and it was the one at which the level of competition was very low. I know well over 15 unknown players that are 3-0+ against Incontrol on ladder. I don't know why MLG keeps riding on his results from a year ago. Again, no personal hatred against him; he's great for the community but doesn't deserve this invite. Machine- Maybe. Hasn't won anything against anyone notable in a long time, but did manage to get a win or two at recent MLGs. On the edge of qualification. Drewbie- Fine. He won an open bracket fairly recently. Tyler- I'm probably going to take a lot of flak for saying that if Tyler wasn't "known" there's absolutely no way he'd get this spot. He got eliminated from the open bracket at the last MLG after a string of bottom finishes in his group. Again, Sc2 icon and a cool guy, but I don't think he's competitive right now. KR- Fine. Vibe- Meh. Demuslim- Fine. Sase- Fine. Trimaster- Fine; beat Idra at MLG awhile ago. QXC- Fine. Artist- Fine. Mihai- No. Essentially no accomplishments since MLG Dallas. DDoro- Fine. Illusion- Fine. Agh- No idea why he's being invited. ThisisJimmy- No. Again, making it to the third round in the open bracket and being somewhat popular on youtube does not a top-tier player make. WBC- Fine. DDE- Yeah, okay. OptikZero- Dunno; basically know nothing about him. State- Probably on the edge. Inori- Fine. LzGamer- No. Guy hasn't done anything recently and got knocked out of the open bracket. Has literally not won anything in the longest time. KingSpades- Rofl,I think this guy is overrated but I guess inviting underdogs is okay. Hawk- Lol, no. Gowswer- Yeah. Axslav- Meh. No results. Ostojiy- Okay. Attero- Don't get this one. I guess he's a popular streamer? Morrow- Okay. Naama- Fine. Stalife- God no. Catz- Fine. TT1- Fine. Killer- Fine. Minigun- I guess?
I hope I've managed to hit most of the players that people have trouble seeing as having anything but a massive longshot at even getting top 10 in this tournament.
Good sum up
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On January 29 2012 01:53 Torte de Lini wrote:Show nested quote +On January 29 2012 01:37 Shiori wrote: I'm going to do everyone a favour and go through the entire NA list and explain where people are having issues:
Slush- Fine. He's managed to take at least a few wins in recent MLGs Kiwikai- Fine. He beat Stephano and performed well at the beginning of last year as well. Rain- Obviously fine. Sheth- Fine. Solid player with consistent results. Incontrol- No. This guy does not deserve to be invited. I love Incontrol on SotG, but he only did well in like 1 MLG and it was the one at which the level of competition was very low. I know well over 15 unknown players that are 3-0+ against Incontrol on ladder. I don't know why MLG keeps riding on his results from a year ago. Again, no personal hatred against him; he's great for the community but doesn't deserve this invite. Machine- Maybe. Hasn't won anything against anyone notable in a long time, but did manage to get a win or two at recent MLGs. On the edge of qualification. Drewbie- Fine. He won an open bracket fairly recently. Tyler- I'm probably going to take a lot of flak for saying that if Tyler wasn't "known" there's absolutely no way he'd get this spot. He got eliminated from the open bracket at the last MLG after a string of bottom finishes in his group. Again, Sc2 icon and a cool guy, but I don't think he's competitive right now. KR- Fine. Vibe- Meh. Demuslim- Fine. Sase- Fine. Trimaster- Fine; beat Idra at MLG awhile ago. QXC- Fine. Artist- Fine. Mihai- No. Essentially no accomplishments since MLG Dallas. DDoro- Fine. Illusion- Fine. Agh- No idea why he's being invited. ThisisJimmy- No. Again, making it to the third round in the open bracket and being somewhat popular on youtube does not a top-tier player make. WBC- Fine. DDE- Yeah, okay. OptikZero- Dunno; basically know nothing about him. State- Probably on the edge. Inori- Fine. LzGamer- No. Guy hasn't done anything recently and got knocked out of the open bracket. Has literally not won anything in the longest time. KingSpades- Rofl,I think this guy is overrated but I guess inviting underdogs is okay. Hawk- Lol, no. Gowswer- Yeah. Axslav- Meh. No results. Ostojiy- Okay. Attero- Don't get this one. I guess he's a popular streamer? Morrow- Okay. Naama- Fine. Stalife- God no. Catz- Fine. TT1- Fine. Killer- Fine. Minigun- I guess?
I hope I've managed to hit most of the players that people have trouble seeing as having anything but a massive longshot at even getting top 10 in this tournament.
In some areas you're right, but it doesn't compensate how wrong you are in so many. Attero is not just a popular streamer, do your homework. WBC as well, a bit more than just "fine" thisisjimmy got to championship bracket and defeated major opponents at Anaheim. Again, you look silly now. Seriously, quit while you're ahead.
He's pretty behind.
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I used "fine" in the literal sense of the word, as in, I have no problem with that player being there. Again, I'm not insulting players by saying that I don't think they're competitive enough to be there.
TIJ got to the championship bracket where he proceeded to beat Attero 2-1 and then get 2-0'd by Tyler. The only notable player he beat along the way was WBC, as far as I can tell.
I'm trying to point out the grievous problems with forgoing an open qualifier: namely that you're inviting people whose only MLG results have ranged from winning the loser's bracket to getting mildly deep.
But I mean, I'd actually prefer to invite players like TIJ, Attero, and underdogs who have actually had to fight through the open bracket instead of people like LZ/Inc/Tyler who just seem to keep getting seeded. I want MLG to invite players who are in their prime NOW or RECENTLY, not players who did okay a year ago. See the problem?
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This is the most hellish looking online qualifier I think I have ever seen. They were right when they said no hype needed.
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Does that mean WhiteRa goes to Korea? :o
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On January 29 2012 02:09 BoB_KiLLeR wrote: Does that mean WhiteRa goes to Korea? :o
AFAIK he is in taiwan at that time, so korea is his next server.
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Missing Stephano.
Also, some of these players are from other continents (Demuslim being from the UK for example) and does the team decide what who they play for?
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On January 29 2012 02:18 Valashu wrote: Missing Stephano.
Also, some of these players are from other continents (Demuslim being from the UK for example) and does the team decide what who they play for?
No, the players can decide, from which server they want to play. And because NA is probably the easiest, a few euros (Morrow, Sase, Naama, Demuslim) try to qualify from there.
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On January 29 2012 01:37 Shiori wrote: I'm going to do everyone a favour and go through the entire NA list and explain where people are having issues:
Slush- Fine. He's managed to take at least a few wins in recent MLGs Kiwikai- Fine. He beat Stephano and performed well at the beginning of last year as well. Rain- Obviously fine.
Kiwikaki didn't beat stephano, he lost 2-1
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On January 29 2012 02:29 hrvoje07 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 29 2012 01:37 Shiori wrote: I'm going to do everyone a favour and go through the entire NA list and explain where people are having issues:
Slush- Fine. He's managed to take at least a few wins in recent MLGs Kiwikai- Fine. He beat Stephano and performed well at the beginning of last year as well. Rain- Obviously fine.
Kiwikaki didn't beat stephano, he lost 2-1 Yes, I'm well aware of that. But he was competitive against Stephano, widely considered one of the better players at the time.
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I don't mind the presence of lesser known players, it's good opportunity to make a name for themselves. I wish good luck to them. The only thing I'm a bit upset with is the relatively low amount of EU players.
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On January 29 2012 02:06 Shiori wrote: I used "fine" in the literal sense of the word, as in, I have no problem with that player being there. Again, I'm not insulting players by saying that I don't think they're competitive enough to be there.
TIJ got to the championship bracket where he proceeded to beat Attero 2-1 and then get 2-0'd by Tyler. The only notable player he beat along the way was WBC, as far as I can tell.
I'm trying to point out the grievous problems with forgoing an open qualifier: namely that you're inviting people whose only MLG results have ranged from winning the loser's bracket to getting mildly deep.
But I mean, I'd actually prefer to invite players like TIJ, Attero, and underdogs who have actually had to fight through the open bracket instead of people like LZ/Inc/Tyler who just seem to keep getting seeded. I want MLG to invite players who are in their prime NOW or RECENTLY, not players who did okay a year ago. See the problem? Minigun is the best player in NA so you're crazy
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One thing I hate about MLG is that its really a GSL with a somewhat different format when it comes down to it. Only top koreans and foreigners will perform well and there is a shitton of people which could be replaced by other people. Also sucks that its same time as ASUS ROG. Not too hyped, if anything its another opportunity to see some koreans but really MLG stopped being something special for me. Not trying to flame; trying to be constructive. Generally there are some things which are nigh impossible to solve, like, for example that EU players will not go because flight cost/time is super high. If MLG did HSC qualifier format it would have players such as Stephano, MaNa or Nerchio.
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how did they choose which players were allowed?
im sure those arent all the players who wanted to play in this qualification right?
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On January 29 2012 02:06 Shiori wrote: I used "fine" in the literal sense of the word, as in, I have no problem with that player being there. Again, I'm not insulting players by saying that I don't think they're competitive enough to be there.
TIJ got to the championship bracket where he proceeded to beat Attero 2-1 and then get 2-0'd by Tyler. The only notable player he beat along the way was WBC, as far as I can tell.
I'm trying to point out the grievous problems with forgoing an open qualifier: namely that you're inviting people whose only MLG results have ranged from winning the loser's bracket to getting mildly deep.
But I mean, I'd actually prefer to invite players like TIJ, Attero, and underdogs who have actually had to fight through the open bracket instead of people like LZ/Inc/Tyler who just seem to keep getting seeded. I want MLG to invite players who are in their prime NOW or RECENTLY, not players who did okay a year ago. See the problem?
The only things I'll have to disagree is that saying "lol no" to Hawk (who did pretty damn well at Anaheim), and saying that State is "on the edge" is totally off because anyone who knows anything about NA knows he's gotten really good and is probably a top 3 NA Protoss now (seriously).
There are also some people who I don't think are "Fine", but I don't want to insult them. If I could name any other players that are missing from NA that aren't attending Assembly I would, but there's not that many I can think of.
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On January 29 2012 02:35 QNdie wrote: One thing I hate about MLG is that its really a GSL with a somewhat different format when it comes down to it. Only top koreans and foreigners will perform well and there is a shitton of people which could be replaced by other people. Also sucks that its same time as ASUS ROG. Not too hyped, if anything its another opportunity to see some koreans but really MLG stopped being something special for me. Not trying to flame; trying to be constructive. Generally there are some things which are nigh impossible to solve, like, for example that EU players will not go because flight cost/time is super high. If MLG did HSC qualifier format it would have players such as Stephano, MaNa or Nerchio. Read the beginning of the thread again. They said that the Top 8 of each region get their trip paid and maybe even their stay (whatever they mean with all expenses).
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On January 29 2012 02:35 QNdie wrote: One thing I hate about MLG is that its really a GSL with a somewhat different format when it comes down to it. Only top koreans and foreigners will perform well and there is a shitton of people which could be replaced by other people. Also sucks that its same time as ASUS ROG. Not too hyped, if anything its another opportunity to see some koreans but really MLG stopped being something special for me. Not trying to flame; trying to be constructive. Generally there are some things which are nigh impossible to solve, like, for example that EU players will not go because flight cost/time is super high. If MLG did HSC qualifier format it would have players such as Stephano, MaNa or Nerchio.
How hard is it to read the first post in the thread?
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On January 29 2012 01:49 ThatGuy89 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 29 2012 01:37 Shiori wrote:+ Show Spoiler +I'm going to do everyone a favour and go through the entire NA list and explain where people are having issues:
Slush- Fine. He's managed to take at least a few wins in recent MLGs Kiwikai- Fine. He beat Stephano and performed well at the beginning of last year as well. Rain- Obviously fine. Sheth- Fine. Solid player with consistent results. Incontrol- No. This guy does not deserve to be invited. I love Incontrol on SotG, but he only did well in like 1 MLG and it was the one at which the level of competition was very low. I know well over 15 unknown players that are 3-0+ against Incontrol on ladder. I don't know why MLG keeps riding on his results from a year ago. Again, no personal hatred against him; he's great for the community but doesn't deserve this invite. Machine- Maybe. Hasn't won anything against anyone notable in a long time, but did manage to get a win or two at recent MLGs. On the edge of qualification. Drewbie- Fine. He won an open bracket fairly recently. Tyler- I'm probably going to take a lot of flak for saying that if Tyler wasn't "known" there's absolutely no way he'd get this spot. He got eliminated from the open bracket at the last MLG after a string of bottom finishes in his group. Again, Sc2 icon and a cool guy, but I don't think he's competitive right now. KR- Fine. Vibe- Meh. Demuslim- Fine. Sase- Fine. Trimaster- Fine; beat Idra at MLG awhile ago. QXC- Fine. Artist- Fine. Mihai- No. Essentially no accomplishments since MLG Dallas. DDoro- Fine. Illusion- Fine. Agh- No idea why he's being invited. ThisisJimmy- No. Again, making it to the third round in the open bracket and being somewhat popular on youtube does not a top-tier player make. WBC- Fine. DDE- Yeah, okay. OptikZero- Dunno; basically know nothing about him. State- Probably on the edge. Inori- Fine. LzGamer- No. Guy hasn't done anything recently and got knocked out of the open bracket. Has literally not won anything in the longest time. KingSpades- Rofl,I think this guy is overrated but I guess inviting underdogs is okay. Hawk- Lol, no. Gowswer- Yeah. Axslav- Meh. No results. Ostojiy- Okay. Attero- Don't get this one. I guess he's a popular streamer? Morrow- Okay. Naama- Fine. Stalife- God no. Catz- Fine. TT1- Fine. Killer- Fine. Minigun- I guess?
I hope I've managed to hit most of the players that people have trouble seeing as having anything but a massive longshot at even getting top 10 in this tournament. just out of curiosity, when you keep saying 'dunno why _____ is getting invited' who would you invite instead? Ok not all of them are amazing players, but there arent enough players to have a tournament of only amazing players - unless its like a 10 man tournament or something
Well, seeing how few EU players are in the qualifiers, I'm sure that if you really know the scene, there are a bunch of players from Europe, many of whom are much better than some of the NA players and some who are at least equally skilled as them, you could invite instead of filling up the spots with some of the players Shiori listed.
And that's when there are not even the 139 spots filled like they originally announced, so it has to hurt the players even more if they didn't get an invite.
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On January 29 2012 02:06 Shiori wrote: I used "fine" in the literal sense of the word, as in, I have no problem with that player being there. Again, I'm not insulting players by saying that I don't think they're competitive enough to be there.
TIJ got to the championship bracket where he proceeded to beat Attero 2-1 and then get 2-0'd by Tyler. The only notable player he beat along the way was WBC, as far as I can tell.
I'm trying to point out the grievous problems with forgoing an open qualifier: namely that you're inviting people whose only MLG results have ranged from winning the loser's bracket to getting mildly deep.
But I mean, I'd actually prefer to invite players like TIJ, Attero, and underdogs who have actually had to fight through the open bracket instead of people like LZ/Inc/Tyler who just seem to keep getting seeded. I want MLG to invite players who are in their prime NOW or RECENTLY, not players who did okay a year ago. See the problem? No, you haven't been watching MLG's very much. Tyler has not been doing ok a year ago, he fought his way through one of the open brackets at an MLG, and has also beaten some good players in the championship brackets.
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