The Online Qualifiers for the Winter Pro Circuit Season are almost upon us! The Top 8 from each region will be flown, all expenses paid, to NYC to compete in the Arena. These 24 players will be joined by the Top 8 finishers from MLG Providence '11: Leenock, Naniwa, DongRaeGu, Mvp, Huk, MC, Haypro, and Idra.
Here, now, is the list of confirmed players for the Online Qualifiers, along with their seed, race, and country of origin. The lists are broken down by the region in which the players have chosen to play. No hype is really necessary; when you look at the names here, they speak for themselves.
TL editor's note: A lot of people seem to be asking "where is X or Y player?" Some of these players are going to Assembly, some didn't confirm, some simply aren't attending.
Holy jesus KR/TW is stacked. Sase/Morrow/Demuslim/Kawaii should all stomp their way through NA tbh, and Europe looks really... small?
Edit: TBH I see the KR terran line demolishing this qualifier. Supernova/MMA/Bomber/Jjakji/MKP/maybe Fin, sC and Alive? These guys would all be pretty heavily favoured against just about anyone else in the lineup. Have to see how the brackets work out.
White-Ra really biting the bullet by jumping into the Korean bracket so good luck for him. The brackets are looking very nice, it is a bit of a shame to see some big name Europeans not attending but I am still really looking forward to this season
Holy shit that Korean qualifier is stacked. Please please please tell me that someones gonna cast the qualifiers, with those players it might as well be a $100000 tourney right there. Even if its just from replays, im sure some epic games will come out of it.
On January 28 2012 07:18 _DarkArchon_ wrote: Stephano, MaNa, Dimaga, Nerchio all missing? Instead from Europe we have Bigs, Pomi, Welmu, Xlord... ... ...
I read the lists before reading the little paragraph (like an idiot) and I started feeling disappointment when I couldn't find MVP on there. Then I read the paragraph and I just breathed a huge sigh of relief. MVP fighting!
EDIT: Also happy to see SuperNova and Lucky on the Korean side. Should be cool.
Damn I didn't expect the NA qualifiers to be so much more stacked then the europeans! 1-10 EU is pretty good, but all the "#10" are kinda meh. But then again, basically all the koreans participating should be ranked higher then basically all the foreigners. At least none of them was willing to go to other qualifiers or MLG would have become GSL#2.
On January 28 2012 07:27 CursedFeanor wrote: Damn I didn't expect the NA qualifiers to be so much more stacked then the europeans! 1-10 EU is pretty good, but all the "#10" are kinda meh. But then again, basically all the koreans participating should be ranked higher then basically all the foreigners. At least none of them was willing to go to other qualifiers or MLG would have become GSL#2.
and wtf white-ra????
NA qualifier has more players, but the overall quality is still higher in EU, just sad that so many are missing still.
Several top Europeans and North Americans missing from this list. Did a bunch of people decline the chance to participate or what? I really don't see how players already mentioned are missing from Euro or how players who currently in horrible shape (LZGamer, DDE, Hawk) are all going over the 2nd best Terran from NA Binski.
On January 28 2012 07:29 ATiBright wrote: Several top Europeans and North Americans missing from this list. Did a bunch of people decline the chance to participate or what? I really don't see how players already mentioned are missing from Euro or how players who currently in horrible shape (LZGamer, DDE, Hawk) are all going over the 2nd best Terran from NA Binski.
the heck? I'm not in terrible shape... learn facts before posting such crap
MLG invited a ton of players but some turned them down to go to assembly I'm fairly sure. Pretty sure Select is at least and thats who I pretty much follow.
mOOnGLaDe in the KR/TW qualifier is great. I was really afraid that this new system would completely disregard SEA seeming as it's never ever ever going to be a good idea to fly out and try to make it through the open bracket for a player.
Maybe next time just run a small SEA qualifier for a few places into the KR/TW one? Seeming as no-one from outside SEA really has any clue about the scene.
On January 28 2012 07:33 Lucko wrote: NO SELECT tournament ruined still watch it tho
damn right!
He should have been invited, no doubt about that! top 12 korean GM atm + his impressive history at MLG... I hope it's just cause he didn't confirm his spot yet. This guy truly deserves to be there!
On January 28 2012 07:35 Trowa127 wrote: The insane thing is that if the Korea qualifiers were combined with the US I don't think a single US player would get close to qualifying lol.
On January 28 2012 07:35 Trowa127 wrote: The insane thing is that if the Korea qualifiers were combined with the US I don't think a single US player would get close to qualifying lol.
That's true, but it could easily apply to EU as well!
Yeah, I don't know if this was brought up already but Winter Arena starts in ~27 days. As far as the top Koreans go, the Code S finals is on the 3rd of March (I'm British).
This means that if any of the big names get to the finals of GSL, they could have to drop out.
wow, lots of great players, Im sorta surprised koreans didnt try to qualify in the NA tournament. Thats good though, I dont really want only koreans qualifying
On January 28 2012 07:33 Lucko wrote: NO SELECT tournament ruined still watch it tho
damn right!
He should have been invited, no doubt about that! top 12 korean GM atm + his impressive history at MLG... I hope it's just cause he didn't confirm his spot yet. This guy truly deserves to be there!
Holy shit. These are literally THE best players in the world. There's only a few that are missing but the ones that are showing up are definitely the best. This is going to be intense.
Lets be completely honest here, it doesn't matter who's on the NA/EU list any player from the Kor/Taiwan list would dominate every player from the other 2 lists.
The gap is going to be huge by the end of this year. Enjoy it while you can foreigners!!!
On January 28 2012 07:33 Lucko wrote: NO SELECT tournament ruined still watch it tho
damn right!
He should have been invited, no doubt about that! top 12 korean GM atm + his impressive history at MLG... I hope it's just cause he didn't confirm his spot yet. This guy truly deserves to be there!
He prefers assembly. Like Stephano, Hero, Polt, Dimaga and many other.
On January 28 2012 07:18 _DarkArchon_ wrote: Stephano, MaNa, Dimaga, Nerchio all missing? Instead from Europe we have Bigs, Pomi, Welmu, Xlord... ... ...
Welmu is pretty good. But still the EU list is horrible, so many good players missing. I guess MLG's gonna keep messing up when it comes to getting EU players at their events.
On January 28 2012 07:29 ATiBright wrote: Several top Europeans and North Americans missing from this list. Did a bunch of people decline the chance to participate or what? I really don't see how players already mentioned are missing from Euro or how players who currently in horrible shape (LZGamer, DDE, Hawk) are all going over the 2nd best Terran from NA Binski.
On January 28 2012 07:40 Dauntless wrote: Am I missing something or are a lot of players missing here? HerO, HuK, IdrA, NaNiwa, Kas, etc etc.
So if you read the news you would read this
These 24 players will be joined by the Top 8 finishers from MLG Providence '11: Leenock, Naniwa, DongRaeGu, Mvp, Huk, MC, Haypro, and Idra.
Now you know why Huk idra and naniwa isn't there... Then there's Hero, he already confirmed going to Assembly so isn't going. Same with Kas. Pretty much every world class player not in the MLG playerpool you can expect going to Finland..
On January 28 2012 07:41 magnaflow wrote: Lets be completely honest here, it doesn't matter who's on the NA/EU list any player from the Kor/Taiwan list would dominate every player from the other 2 lists.
The gap is going to be huge by the end of this year. Enjoy it while you can foreigners!!!
Keep thinking that our top EU players has beaten and won many online tournament with top koreans in. We dont fear the koreans in online qualifier. However NA you screwed
On January 28 2012 07:29 ATiBright wrote: Several top Europeans and North Americans missing from this list. Did a bunch of people decline the chance to participate or what? I really don't see how players already mentioned are missing from Euro or how players who currently in horrible shape (LZGamer, DDE, Hawk) are all going over the 2nd best Terran from NA Binski.
Looking at their pages Hawk, Binski, and Lz all are similar in terms of results and tournament attendance,
Also some EU players are going to assembly which has been said already in this thread.
Maybe I'm missing something, but did previous MLG attendance factor into this more than anything else? I'm having trouble understanding how Incontrol/LZ/Hawk etc. got invited. No disrespect to these players is meant on a personal level, but I feel like I could go into the GM ladder and find 10 people capable of beating them 3-0.
On January 28 2012 07:45 careohx wrote: damn no whitera at MLG makes me sad (he probably wont make top8 in KR but i quess we cant count him out just yet)
White Ra playing in Korean bracket due to international travel at the time of qualifiers.
On January 28 2012 07:40 Dauntless wrote: Am I missing something or are a lot of players missing here? HerO, HuK, IdrA, NaNiwa, Kas, etc etc.
http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2012_MLG_Pro_Circuit/Winter/Arena As you can see, there is a list of players who got top8 in MLG Providence and so already qualified for Winter Arena. Then you can check the guys who have been already invited to assembly: http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Assembly_Winter_2012 And there are few players who are already in assembly (ToD, NightEnd and Polt) and in MLG qualifers. Im pretty sure they will have to make a choice, either play MLG qualies and lose their assembly spot or go to assembly. If thats not the case it would be unfair to Grubby and Sheth who forfeited their assembly spots trying to qualify for MLG.
On January 28 2012 07:29 ATiBright wrote: Several top Europeans and North Americans missing from this list. Did a bunch of people decline the chance to participate or what? I really don't see how players already mentioned are missing from Euro or how players who currently in horrible shape (LZGamer, DDE, Hawk) are all going over the 2nd best Terran from NA Binski.
the heck? I'm not in terrible shape... learn facts before posting such crap
Why in gods good fucking is Major trying to qualify in Korea?
I'm actually positive that Korean qualifier is the hardest qualifier in gaming.If you look at the Code A qualifiers you will see a ton of no names that while deadly, can hardly ever take games off of the top S class Koreans. Those top code S players - they're here plus a bunch of other deadly players.
I will also say if "good players are missing" its probably because they declined. We asked literally -everyone-
I'd trust JP on that if he even knew the names of the top europeans (which he clearly doesnt, at least from what I've understanded from seeing him on SOTG)
On January 28 2012 07:54 magnaflow wrote: Calling it now, the top 8 from the Korean/Taiwan qualifiers finish top 8 for the entire event. NA has some terrible players lol.
I doubt it, even at it's worst (best?) korea hasn't taken that many top spots as far as i know.
On January 28 2012 07:54 magnaflow wrote: Calling it now, the top 8 from the Korean/Taiwan qualifiers finish top 8 for the entire event. NA has some terrible players lol.
I doubt it, even at it's worst (best?) korea hasn't taken that many top spots as far as i know.
Lets make a list of the people missing that haven't been announced for assembly yet: Tassadar Taeja Destiny Binski Snute Seal Sage Every code B korean Who else? Does pokebunny count? I feel like Destiny must be going to assembly. Maybe Snute too. I could genuinely see some MLG staff not knowing about some of these players though, which makes me sad.
We should figure out which ones are going to assembly, which ones couldn't make it/declined, and which ones were denied an opportunity to compete to make pool play in one of the biggest tournaments of the year because they weren't invited to qualifiers.
That race distribution))) Toss in Europe, Terran in Asia.
Why White-Ra in not in Europe qualification.
His first stop will be the 2012 Taipei Game Show, which will be held from 2nd to 6th February 2012 in the capital of Taiwan - Taipei. White-ra will be playing some shows matches, and will represent his main sponsor Thermaltake, to be more precise their gaming division Tt eSPORTS, as well as his sponsors Playhem and ASRock.
Looks like because of ASUS ROG and some KR and EU picking NA, NA is more difficult than EU! Not significantly more difficult, but I think NA has the slight edge. Of course, for people playing NA with low latency, it's a little less difficult.
On January 28 2012 07:57 Ajukrejzi wrote: Where is MC?!
Here:
On January 28 2012 07:04 TeamLiquid ESPORTS wrote:These 24 players will be joined by the Top 8 finishers from MLG Providence '11: Leenock, Naniwa, DongRaeGu, Mvp, Huk, MC, Haypro, and Idra.
On January 28 2012 08:01 Liquid`Tyler wrote: Looks like because of ASUS ROG and some KR and EU picking NA, NA is more difficult than EU! Not significantly more difficult, but I think NA has the slight edge. Of course, for people playing NA with low latency, it's a little less difficult.
I would seem to agree. Some of the lesser known NA guys have pulled some big upsets as well. Maybe it's just my NA bias talking though. Good luck to everyone and I can't wait to watch!
On January 28 2012 08:01 Liquid`Tyler wrote: Looks like because of ASUS ROG and some KR and EU picking NA, NA is more difficult than EU! Not significantly more difficult, but I think NA has the slight edge. Of course, for people playing NA with low latency, it's a little less difficult.
Yes, especially considering there's only 26 players signed up for the EU one compared to 39 for NA, quite a difference.
The following Europeans comes to mind, and should've been invited: aTnDarkforce RoXKIS.BratOK EmpireBeastyqt IMBA.FXO Strelok BLY sYz Dignitas DreAm Acer Nerchio GL Snute Babyknight
I also feel that chinese players should've been invited to the Korean/taiwanese qualifier.
On January 28 2012 08:05 Eee wrote: The following Europeans comes to mind, and should've been invited: aTnDarkforce RoXKIS.BratOK EmpireBeastyqt IMBA.FXO Strelok BLY sYz Dignitas DreAm Acer Nerchio GL Snute Babyknight
I also feel that chinese players should've been invited to the Korean/taiwanese qualifier.
Interesting how many Europeans chose Assembly over MLG. I guess it's because they figure it's a much easier chance to make money, which is kind of sad.
On January 28 2012 08:05 Eee wrote: The following Europeans comes to mind, and should've been invited: aTnDarkforce RoXKIS.BratOK EmpireBeastyqt IMBA.FXO Strelok BLY sYz Dignitas DreAm Acer Nerchio GL Snute Babyknight
I also feel that chinese players should've been invited to the Korean/taiwanese qualifier.
On January 28 2012 08:05 Eee wrote: The following Europeans comes to mind, and should've been invited: aTnDarkforce RoXKIS.BratOK EmpireBeastyqt IMBA.FXO Strelok BLY sYz Dignitas DreAm Acer Nerchio GL Snute Babyknight
I also feel that chinese players should've been invited to the Korean/taiwanese qualifier.
trust me they invited everyone, if u dont see alot of ur fav players its most likely because they declined, for example i personally know that dimaga didnt accept his invitation
On January 28 2012 07:54 magnaflow wrote: Calling it now, the top 8 from the Korean/Taiwan qualifiers finish top 8 for the entire event. NA has some terrible players lol.
I doubt it, even at it's worst (best?) korea hasn't taken that many top spots as far as i know.
They did, and that was with the old format. With the new format it will be even more likely.
On January 28 2012 08:07 Seraphone wrote: Interesting how many Europeans chose Assembly over MLG. I guess it's because they figure it's a much easier chance to make money, which is kind of sad.
Or they simply signed up for assembly, then MLG announced they were holding their tournament on the same dates and they didn't want to ditch assembly. Doesn't sound unreasonable to me.
On January 28 2012 08:07 Seraphone wrote: Interesting how many Europeans chose Assembly over MLG. I guess it's because they figure it's a much easier chance to make money, which is kind of sad.
Or they simply signed up for assembly, then MLG announced they were holding their tournament on the same dates and they didn't want to ditch assembly. Doesn't sound unreasonable to me.
Lol if you think that's how pro gamers think. Most of them are pulling out of events all the time.
On January 28 2012 07:54 magnaflow wrote: Calling it now, the top 8 from the Korean/Taiwan qualifiers finish top 8 for the entire event. NA has some terrible players lol.
I doubt it, even at it's worst (best?) korea hasn't taken that many top spots as far as i know.
Wait what? From 2011-Now
Bomber / MMA / MvP / Leenock all won an MLG Hero won Dreamhack Winter DRG won Dreamhack Valencia / IEM NY Ace won the IEM global final Puma NASL All the Code S / Code A wins (yes it's a korean tournament but foreigners have tried). MC Won HSC4 / Dreamhack Stockholm MMA the recent IEM Kiev / Blizzard Cup MVP Blizzcon / WCG
The only foreigners that won something big last year was Thorzain TSL Naniwa MLG Global inv / MLG Dallas (no koreans beside Select attended though) IdrA won an IEM / and ASUS Rog (but no koreans there beside Select either) HuK Dreamhack / HSC / MLG Stephano IPL / ESWC
But beyond that koreans won everything I think This is just on top of my head so I will probably have forgotten something but overall Koreans have won a lot more.
OMG! The line up of Koreans are so scary! I usually root as much as I can for foreigners but jesus! The korean qualifier might be one of the hardest tournaments in the world !
On January 28 2012 08:07 Seraphone wrote: Interesting how many Europeans chose Assembly over MLG. I guess it's because they figure it's a much easier chance to make money, which is kind of sad.
Why would they be sad? They chose to go Assembly instead of MLG, for whatever reasons they might have, they could've accepted the Assmebly one before the MLG or they simply prefer staying in Europe instead of flying over to the US... why call them sad? Is that really necessary?
On January 28 2012 08:05 Eee wrote: The following Europeans comes to mind, and should've been invited: aTnDarkforce RoXKIS.BratOK EmpireBeastyqt IMBA.FXO Strelok BLY sYz Dignitas DreAm Acer Nerchio GL Snute Babyknight
I also feel that chinese players should've been invited to the Korean/taiwanese qualifier.
Strelok is at assembly, and Assembly still needs to announce 16 more players. I would not be surprised to see those players playing in assembly instead.
On January 28 2012 08:16 EyTay wrote: So I have a question, has anyone else noticed that Polt and ToD are listed here but also listed for Assembly? Does that mean they both are out??
I am not sure. They may play through the qualifiers just to see how far they can get.
On January 28 2012 08:05 Eee wrote: The following Europeans comes to mind, and should've been invited: aTnDarkforce RoXKIS.BratOK EmpireBeastyqt IMBA.FXO Strelok BLY sYz Dignitas DreAm Acer Nerchio GL Snute Babyknight
I also feel that chinese players should've been invited to the Korean/taiwanese qualifier.
How do you know they weren't?
Why would they decline an invite to a qualifier that pays the travel to the tournament? doesnt make any sense. And also there are alot more EU players missing, even if you dont count these.
On January 28 2012 07:18 HajkeN wrote: WhiteRA under korea/taiwan? : d
This. Seems strange. Glad I have this list to oogle over.
Edit #1 (of many)
Read'em and weep boys! Canadians in spots #1 and #2 of the North American rankings. Oh what's that you say? That's only because Idra's in top 8 already? I got one syllable for you: HuK. Yeah. And don't give me that "He's American" crap, we called dibs on HuK from day one of beta!
On January 28 2012 08:05 Eee wrote: The following Europeans comes to mind, and should've been invited: aTnDarkforce RoXKIS.BratOK EmpireBeastyqt IMBA.FXO Strelok BLY sYz Dignitas DreAm Acer Nerchio GL Snute Babyknight
I also feel that chinese players should've been invited to the Korean/taiwanese qualifier.
How do you know they weren't?
Why would they decline an invite to a qualifier that pays the travel to the tournament? doesnt make any sense. And also there are alot more EU players missing, even if you dont count these.
Assembly is a better tournament and closer to home with good prizes and they get guaranteed spot. Why any European who got invited to Assembly chose MLG is beyond me
well i could see DeMusliM taking NA now... EU is a tossup between Thorzain, Ret and maybe Socke Korean is stacked, i wouldnt like to even bother trying, Im kinda thinking ForGG is gonna show up to this although I also think supernova and curious will be there or there abouts. EXCITED :D
On January 28 2012 08:07 Seraphone wrote: Interesting how many Europeans chose Assembly over MLG. I guess it's because they figure it's a much easier chance to make money, which is kind of sad.
OR maybe that Assembly is a legit tournament with good prizepool and legit skill level which is in Europe, and that's why they chose the european tournament instead of MLG.
Can you imagine if there weren't regional qualifiers? If this was one giant open I could not see any player from the NA/EU list that would make it through to the top 40 spots or so
On January 28 2012 08:07 Seraphone wrote: Interesting how many Europeans chose Assembly over MLG. I guess it's because they figure it's a much easier chance to make money, which is kind of sad.
OR maybe that Assembly is a legit tournament with good prizepool and legit skill level which is in Europe, and that's why they chose the european tournament instead of MLG.
On January 28 2012 08:05 Eee wrote: The following Europeans comes to mind, and should've been invited: aTnDarkforce RoXKIS.BratOK EmpireBeastyqt IMBA.FXO Strelok BLY sYz Dignitas DreAm Acer Nerchio GL Snute Babyknight
I also feel that chinese players should've been invited to the Korean/taiwanese qualifier.
How do you know they weren't?
Why would they decline an invite to a qualifier that pays the travel to the tournament? doesnt make any sense. And also there are alot more EU players missing, even if you dont count these.
Assembly is a better tournament and closer to home with good prizes and they get guaranteed spot. Why any European who got invited to Assembly chose MLG is beyond me
MLG is a way better tournament. You're such an absurd fanboy of anything European.
Well as you can see from the horrible European invites this is what happens when you decide to throw another tournament under the bus purely to have your "big announcement"...
On January 28 2012 08:07 Seraphone wrote: Interesting how many Europeans chose Assembly over MLG. I guess it's because they figure it's a much easier chance to make money, which is kind of sad.
OR maybe that Assembly is a legit tournament with good prizepool and legit skill level which is in Europe, and that's why they chose the european tournament instead of MLG.
Location: Finland...
Huh? Finland is in Europe, as far as I know. What do you mean?
On January 28 2012 08:07 Seraphone wrote: Interesting how many Europeans chose Assembly over MLG. I guess it's because they figure it's a much easier chance to make money, which is kind of sad.
OR maybe that Assembly is a legit tournament with good prizepool and legit skill level which is in Europe, and that's why they chose the european tournament instead of MLG.
Location: Finland...
Yes, I am located in Finland as well as Assembly. How does it diminish my argument, if that was what you were going for? :p
On January 28 2012 08:05 Eee wrote: The following Europeans comes to mind, and should've been invited: aTnDarkforce RoXKIS.BratOK EmpireBeastyqt IMBA.FXO Strelok BLY sYz Dignitas DreAm Acer Nerchio GL Snute Babyknight
I also feel that chinese players should've been invited to the Korean/taiwanese qualifier.
How do you know they weren't?
Why would they decline an invite to a qualifier that pays the travel to the tournament? doesnt make any sense. And also there are alot more EU players missing, even if you dont count these.
Assembly is a better tournament and closer to home with good prizes and they get guaranteed spot. Why any European who got invited to Assembly chose MLG is beyond me
MLG is a way better tournament. You're such an absurd fanboy of anything European.
In what way is MLG a better tournament? Normally MLgs are good tournaments but this won't even have a crowd lol
On January 28 2012 07:18 _DarkArchon_ wrote: Stephano, MaNa, Dimaga, Nerchio all missing? Instead from Europe we have Bigs, Pomi, Welmu, Xlord... ... ...
Dont underestimate the Xlord.... EZ european qualifier for him. imo....
No Kas?..stepahhno...mana dimana nerchio....? seriously? instead o them some relatively unknowns ? (not saying they are bad...but look who u are leaving out and who is coming).
Is there a specific reason? like they can't make it? or u just skipped them
On January 28 2012 08:07 Seraphone wrote: Interesting how many Europeans chose Assembly over MLG. I guess it's because they figure it's a much easier chance to make money, which is kind of sad.
OR maybe that Assembly is a legit tournament with good prizepool and legit skill level which is in Europe, and that's why they chose the european tournament instead of MLG.
On January 28 2012 08:40 ReboundEU wrote: No Kas?..stepahhno...mana dimana nerchio....? seriously? instead o them some relatively unknowns ? (not saying they are bad...but look who u are leaving out and who is coming).
Is there a specific reason? like they can't make it? or u just skipped them
On January 28 2012 08:40 ReboundEU wrote: No Kas?..stepahhno...mana dimana nerchio....? seriously? instead o them some relatively unknowns ? (not saying they are bad...but look who u are leaving out and who is coming).
Is there a specific reason? like they can't make it? or u just skipped them
Assembly is at the same time so it was hard for MLG to get the top top tier players
Assembly should be the bigger tournament, this is just a Qualifier tournament. Assembly is having their live event which is going to be great. MLG Columbus will be the big live(with a crowd) event for MLG. It is a good weekend to be a fan regardless.
On January 28 2012 08:05 Eee wrote: The following Europeans comes to mind, and should've been invited: aTnDarkforce RoXKIS.BratOK EmpireBeastyqt IMBA.FXO Strelok BLY sYz Dignitas DreAm Acer Nerchio GL Snute Babyknight
I also feel that chinese players should've been invited to the Korean/taiwanese qualifier.
How do you know they weren't?
Why would they decline an invite to a qualifier that pays the travel to the tournament? doesnt make any sense. And also there are alot more EU players missing, even if you dont count these.
Assembly is a better tournament and closer to home with good prizes and they get guaranteed spot. Why any European who got invited to Assembly chose MLG is beyond me
MLG is a way better tournament. You're such an absurd fanboy of anything European.
For arguments sake, lets say you are right and MLG is the better tournament. It would still be a comparison between attending an actual tournament and playing a Qualifier. There is absolutely no guarantee that the mentioned players would be able to qualify so it is from a pro perspective way safer and also wiser to choose Assembly over the MLG qualifier.
On January 28 2012 08:49 FrostedMiniWheats wrote: Sick list. Surprised Nestea is participating, thought he refused to do online tournaments.
MLG Providence must've left him with a good impression then!
Nestea said he wouldn't do cross server online tournaments, but this will be on KR server. One other conflict that will be a problem besides assembly is GSTL. There's going to be 4 teams playing in GSTL for that weekend, so if any of them qualify or are already in the top 8 from providence, I doubt they will ditch GSTL for this.
On January 28 2012 08:25 aTnClouD wrote: I thought more europeans and koreans would sign up on NA so I didn't. What a mistake T______T
Btw I'm glad to have been invited, this is going to be great :D
Yeah me too. I expected a lot more Europeans to do it, but only SaSe, Naama and Morrow went for the tactical group selection. Considering the high number of players going to assembly and the Reign guys + aforementioned EU players I don't think either the NA or EU groups are considerably harder than the other.
I'm surprised some Korean based players didn't do it too, but obviously the Korean seed is the most valuable and SlayerS is probably the only team who can afford to fly several players over to America.
The Korean qualifier though. My god its like all of Code A and Code S, and the players not going are probably going to assembly anyway. I think we'll see at least 7 Koreans in the top 8 of the actual live event considering the final tournament is going to have 11 or 12 (its down to you WhiteRa and Tod!!!) of the best Korean players, its probably going to be the strongest Korean lineup fielded at a tournament yet.
I actually can't understand why Stephano isn't in here.. I think this is adding to the stereotype which is that we don't know anything about Europeans.
On January 28 2012 08:54 ampson wrote: White-ra has balls of steel to qualify through korea. Damn, what a boss.
i dont understand why everyone keeps saying this, i dont even know anything about his schedule but its so fucking obvious that hes going to be in korea(or somewhere in asia, or he could be going to taiwan to fulfill sponsorship duties to TT.esports or something) around the time of the qualifier, y in the hell would he willingly chose to play on kr if this wasnt the case?
On January 28 2012 08:57 PopoChampion wrote: I actually can't understand why Stephano isn't in here.. I think this is adding to the stereotype which is that we don't know anything about Europeans.
Or it's adding to the stereotype that people never read through threads since it's been said on multiple occasions that stephano will be at assembly.
On January 28 2012 08:57 PopoChampion wrote: I actually can't understand why Stephano isn't in here.. I think this is adding to the stereotype which is that we don't know anything about Europeans.
Stephano is at Assembly Winter of his own volition.
On January 28 2012 08:54 ampson wrote: White-ra has balls of steel to qualify through korea. Damn, what a boss.
i dont understand why everyone keeps saying this, i dont even know anything about his schedule but its so fucking obvious that hes going to be in korea(or somewhere in asia) around the time of the qualifier, y in the hell would he willingly chose to play on kr if this wasnt the case?
think before u post
Because to get to the tournament you need to finish as the top 8 in the region and being in the top 16 in KR is harder than being in top 8 EU/NA?
On January 28 2012 08:54 ampson wrote: White-ra has balls of steel to qualify through korea. Damn, what a boss.
i dont understand why everyone keeps saying this, i dont even know anything about his schedule but its so fucking obvious that hes going to be in korea(or somewhere in asia) around the time of the qualifier, y in the hell would he willingly chose to play on kr if this wasnt the case?
think before u post
Because to get to the tournament you need to finish as the top 8 in the region and being in the top 16 in KR is harder than being in top 8 EU/NA?
the qualifiers for all 3 regions are on different weeks..
And at the same time attempt to qualify for another tournament happening in another continent over the same weekend!
On January 28 2012 08:58 mTwTT1 wrote:
On January 28 2012 08:54 ampson wrote: White-ra has balls of steel to qualify through korea. Damn, what a boss.
i dont understand why everyone keeps saying this, i dont even know anything about his schedule but its so fucking obvious that hes going to be in korea(or somewhere in asia) around the time of the qualifier, y in the hell would he willingly chose to play on kr if this wasnt the case?
think before u post
Because to get to the tournament you need to finish as the top 8 in the region and being in the top 16 in KR is harder than being in top 8 EU/NA?
the qualifiers for all 3 regions are on different weeks..
I know, I was saying the tournament that you qualify for is at the same time as the one he is already attending, hence the phrase "attempting to qualify for another tournament happening"
And at the same time attempt to qualify for another tournament happening in another continent over the same weekend!
On January 28 2012 08:58 mTwTT1 wrote:
On January 28 2012 08:54 ampson wrote: White-ra has balls of steel to qualify through korea. Damn, what a boss.
i dont understand why everyone keeps saying this, i dont even know anything about his schedule but its so fucking obvious that hes going to be in korea(or somewhere in asia) around the time of the qualifier, y in the hell would he willingly chose to play on kr if this wasnt the case?
think before u post
Because to get to the tournament you need to finish as the top 8 in the region and being in the top 16 in KR is harder than being in top 8 EU/NA?
the qualifiers for all 3 regions are on different weeks..
I know, I was saying the tournament that you qualify for is at the same time as the one he is already attending, hence the phrase "attempting to qualify for another tournament happening"
asus rog is on feb 24-25, the korean quali is in early feb.. ???? AGAIN even if it were to be on the same weekend why would he willingly play in the kr qualifier? does that make any sense to u? hed have to play vs better players with lat
On January 28 2012 09:06 kiy0 wrote: First invitees for MLG Columbus in March will be Jjakji, forGG, Curious and a random Slayers player. You read it here first.
On January 28 2012 08:57 PopoChampion wrote: I actually can't understand why Stephano isn't in here.. I think this is adding to the stereotype which is that we don't know anything about Europeans.
Maybe you are adding to the stereotype of TLers who don't read the entire op or any of the comments.
On January 28 2012 08:35 Karliath wrote: Anyone make a list of players that are controversially missing?
I had a go (highly subjective):
Mana, Dimaga, Jinro, Gatored, Sen, Bling, Destiny, Elfi, Puma, Taeja, Coca, JYP, Fenix, CreatorPrime, Stephano, Darkforce, Nerchio, Kas
Actually insanely small compared to the number who ARE going.
Sen, Brown and JYP are the only players who were code S this season who aren't going, I'd be very surprised if JYP isn't going to assembly now and maybe we'll see Sen and Brown there too.
Code A players who are, in my opinion, possibly notable enough to have been invited, considering that Hyun, Sound and Seed were, are Tassadar, asd, Taeja (this one really surprised me, I'm guessing he's going to assembly), Squirtle, Ace, Line, Sculp, Seal and BBoongBBoong. HerO is going to assembly.
edit: And PumA, I'm guessing he's going to assembly as well.
With the amount of KR pros coming to MLGs and dominating, it makes sense to try and qualify in their tournament. Why? Well, if you manage to qualify through that group, you definitely have a chance to win the whole thing when you go. No real reason to waste money only to be put out of the tournament below top 4. The only problem will be the lag.
On January 28 2012 09:10 StarVe wrote: Edit: disregard everything
AH he ment the main tournament, i thought he was talking about the qualifier edit: ppl are still posting about tod attending asus while playing in the qualifier LOL, god this site ^read 2 posts above
On January 28 2012 09:10 SiguR wrote: Here's the list of missing people I have so far. Many are probably going to assembly. Tassadar Taeja Destiny -Assembly? Binski Snute - Assembly? Seal Sage MaNa - Assembly? DIMAGA - Assembly? Gatored Sen BlinG - Assembly? elfi - Assembly? PuMa - Assembly? CoCa - Banned from competition? JYP - Assembly? Fenix CreatorPrime Stephano - Assembly? DarKFoRcE - Assembly? Nerchio - Assembly? Kas - Assembly? sYz - Assembly? Every code B korean Who else? Does pokebunny count?
And at the same time attempt to qualify for another tournament happening in another continent over the same weekend!
On January 28 2012 08:58 mTwTT1 wrote:
On January 28 2012 08:54 ampson wrote: White-ra has balls of steel to qualify through korea. Damn, what a boss.
i dont understand why everyone keeps saying this, i dont even know anything about his schedule but its so fucking obvious that hes going to be in korea(or somewhere in asia) around the time of the qualifier, y in the hell would he willingly chose to play on kr if this wasnt the case?
think before u post
Because to get to the tournament you need to finish as the top 8 in the region and being in the top 16 in KR is harder than being in top 8 EU/NA?
the qualifiers for all 3 regions are on different weeks..
I know, I was saying the tournament that you qualify for is at the same time as the one he is already attending, hence the phrase "attempting to qualify for another tournament happening"
asus rog is on feb 24-25, the korean quali is in early feb.. ???? AGAIN even if it were to be on the same weekend why would he willingly play in the kr qualifier? does that make any sense to u? hed have to play vs better players with lat
This thread sums up one of the main problems with TL. So many kiddies willing to instantly bitch and moan when they can't even be bothered to read the damn OP or the first few pages where their silly questions are answered. The next brohan who says "WTF WHERE IS IDRA, MVP?" and so on should get banned. It's in the original post bolded, no less, and people are still asking these questions and whining, amazing.
A good solution for MLG to avoid a major shitstorm when people figure about all the good players that won't attend MLG because they play in Assembly would be :
Give an invite to the top 4 finishers of Assembly!
Problem solved. Their lineup will clearly be stacked enough to justify such a decision.
On January 28 2012 09:10 StarVe wrote: Edit: disregard everything
AH he ment the main tournament, i thought he was talking about the qualifier edit: nvm he ment the qualifier and i still ppl posting about tod attending asus while playing in the qualifier LOL, god this site
And at the same time attempt to qualify for another tournament happening in another continent over the same weekend!
On January 28 2012 08:58 mTwTT1 wrote:
On January 28 2012 08:54 ampson wrote: White-ra has balls of steel to qualify through korea. Damn, what a boss.
i dont understand why everyone keeps saying this, i dont even know anything about his schedule but its so fucking obvious that hes going to be in korea(or somewhere in asia) around the time of the qualifier, y in the hell would he willingly chose to play on kr if this wasnt the case?
think before u post
Because to get to the tournament you need to finish as the top 8 in the region and being in the top 16 in KR is harder than being in top 8 EU/NA?
the qualifiers for all 3 regions are on different weeks..
I know, I was saying the tournament that you qualify for is at the same time as the one he is already attending, hence the phrase "attempting to qualify for another tournament happening"
asus rog is on feb 24-25, the korean quali is in early feb.. ???? AGAIN even if it were to be on the same weekend why would he willingly play in the kr qualifier? does that make any sense to u? hed have to play vs better players with lat
And at the same time attempt to qualify for another tournament happening in another continent over the same weekend!
On January 28 2012 08:58 mTwTT1 wrote:
On January 28 2012 08:54 ampson wrote: White-ra has balls of steel to qualify through korea. Damn, what a boss.
i dont understand why everyone keeps saying this, i dont even know anything about his schedule but its so fucking obvious that hes going to be in korea(or somewhere in asia) around the time of the qualifier, y in the hell would he willingly chose to play on kr if this wasnt the case?
think before u post
Because to get to the tournament you need to finish as the top 8 in the region and being in the top 16 in KR is harder than being in top 8 EU/NA?
the qualifiers for all 3 regions are on different weeks..
I know, I was saying the tournament that you qualify for is at the same time as the one he is already attending, hence the phrase "attempting to qualify for another tournament happening"
asus rog is on feb 24-25, the korean quali is in early feb.. ???? AGAIN even if it were to be on the same weekend why would he willingly play in the kr qualifier? does that make any sense to u? hed have to play vs better players with lat
On January 28 2012 08:57 PopoChampion wrote: I actually can't understand why Stephano isn't in here.. I think this is adding to the stereotype which is that we don't know anything about Europeans.
Maybe you are adding to the stereotype of TLers who don't read the entire op or any of the comments.
On January 28 2012 08:35 Karliath wrote: Anyone make a list of players that are controversially missing?
I had a go (highly subjective):
Mana, Dimaga, Jinro, Gatored, Sen, Bling, Destiny, Elfi, Puma, Taeja, Coca, JYP, Fenix, CreatorPrime, Stephano, Darkforce, Nerchio, Kas
Actually insanely small compared to the number who ARE going.
Sen, Brown and JYP are the only players who were code S this season who aren't going, I'd be very surprised if JYP isn't going to assembly now and maybe we'll see Sen and Brown there too.
Code A players who are, in my opinion, possibly notable enough to have been invited, considering that Hyun, Sound and Seed were, are Tassadar, asd, Taeja (this one really surprised me, I'm guessing he's going to assembly), Squirtle, Ace, Line, Sculp, Seal and BBoongBBoong. HerO is going to assembly.
edit: And PumA, I'm guessing he's going to assembly as well.
Sound is in the Korean qualifier. I'm more surprised that Hwangsin is in the Korean qualifier let alone invited.
Looks good. I think it will be interesting to see how NA plays out since I haven't seen a major tournament for NA like this for a while. I think there will be some upsets .
Whitera qualifying in Korea is so like him I couldn't see him dodging a challenge like that.
I guess this explains it though:
On January 28 2012 07:27 MLG_Adam wrote: White Ra is traveling in Asia during the qualifiers.
it bothers me that they just invite gamers like stalife, lzgamer, catz, mihai, agh, minigun, machine, incontrol, etc. Some invites are understandable but all these guys would struggle to hold their seats if there was a qualifier.
at least this'll be the last big invitational we see from MLG, and hopefully SC2
On January 28 2012 09:21 SirRobin wrote: it bothers me that they just invite gamers like stalife, lzgamer, catz, mihai, agh, minigun, machine, incontrol, etc. Some invites are understandable but all these guys would struggle to hold their seats if there was a qualifier.
at least this'll be the last big invitational we see from MLG, and hopefully SC2
They are people who have earned enough points through the past MLG circuits to qualify for an invite most likely. You have to look at what is being considered by MLG.
On January 28 2012 08:07 Seraphone wrote: Interesting how many Europeans chose Assembly over MLG. I guess it's because they figure it's a much easier chance to make money, which is kind of sad.
You are forgetting two things here.
1| For the team (or it's sponsors) Assembly might be more important then MLG is.
2| Giving up a guaranteed spot for a tournament in Finland for a spot in a qualifier from which you might not advance? Sounds like a pretty bad idea.
Of course MLG's money compared to it's player pool isn't that great but it surely isn't the only factor.
On January 28 2012 09:21 SirRobin wrote: it bothers me that they just invite gamers like stalife, lzgamer, catz, mihai, agh, minigun, machine, incontrol, etc. Some invites are understandable but all these guys would struggle to hold their seats if there was a qualifier.
at least this'll be the last big invitational we see from MLG, and hopefully SC2
MLG wants to be global. It's not like it makes sense to just invite top 139 of the korean ladder.
If you look at the US part of the invitational, those players you mention should be invited based on 2011 results. Look at all the persons people are mentioning. I think the only US player which people bring up should be there are destiny. So IMO the invites are good enough.
On January 28 2012 08:05 Eee wrote: The following Europeans comes to mind, and should've been invited: aTnDarkforce RoXKIS.BratOK EmpireBeastyqt IMBA.FXO Strelok BLY sYz Dignitas DreAm Acer Nerchio GL Snute Babyknight
I also feel that chinese players should've been invited to the Korean/taiwanese qualifier.
How do you know they weren't?
Why would they decline an invite to a qualifier that pays the travel to the tournament? doesnt make any sense. And also there are alot more EU players missing, even if you dont count these.
Assembly is a better tournament and closer to home with good prizes and they get guaranteed spot. Why any European who got invited to Assembly chose MLG is beyond me
MLG is a way better tournament. You're such an absurd fanboy of anything European.
In what way is MLG a better tournament? Normally MLgs are good tournaments but this won't even have a crowd lol
Because the player pool is around a million times better than Assembly's. I will watch both but it's not at all comparable.
Can we please start banning idiots who bitch and whine and ask questions that are answered in the freaking original post, bolded...? If you're willing to bitch without even reading the post, you are just wasting space here. I am baffled by how many people are asking/whining about names that are in bold text in the original post.
On January 28 2012 09:43 ilbh wrote: I don't get why is it still divided by region if anyone can sign-up anywhere... could just name it Division 1, 2 and 3.
This gives players who don't enjoy playing with latency the ability to not have to worry about it. Its very ideal IMO.
On January 28 2012 09:43 ilbh wrote: I don't get why is it still divided by region if anyone can sign-up anywhere... could just name it Division 1, 2 and 3.
Or because that's the server being played on and if you're not from that region you don't get your trip paid for.
On January 28 2012 09:41 csn_JohnClark wrote: baffling how many good players they left of their lists... sad really.
Like who? Basically everyone who's MLG standard is here aside from players going to Assembly and a few Koreans who are probably going to Assembly as well anyway.
On January 28 2012 09:43 ilbh wrote: I don't get why is it still divided by region if anyone can sign-up anywhere... could just name it Division 1, 2 and 3.
This gives players who don't enjoy playing with latency the ability to not have to worry about it. Its very ideal IMO.
oh I got it now, the latency, forgot about that lol
I love how many people just ignore everything in the OP besides the lists of people in the qualifiers and then say "no <insert player who was top 8 in mlg providence here>?!?!?!?"
On January 28 2012 09:43 ilbh wrote: I don't get why is it still divided by region if anyone can sign-up anywhere... could just name it Division 1, 2 and 3.
I guess it avoids the confusion over Koreans living the US, Foreigners living in Korea, American's living in Europe, Europeans living in America and so on.
Because of the lag there needs to be multiple qualifiers imo otherwise it's unfair to the Koreans and Europeans.
On January 28 2012 08:05 Eee wrote: The following Europeans comes to mind, and should've been invited: aTnDarkforce RoXKIS.BratOK EmpireBeastyqt IMBA.FXO Strelok BLY sYz Dignitas DreAm Acer Nerchio GL Snute Babyknight
I also feel that chinese players should've been invited to the Korean/taiwanese qualifier.
How do you know they weren't?
Why would they decline an invite to a qualifier that pays the travel to the tournament? doesnt make any sense. And also there are alot more EU players missing, even if you dont count these.
Assembly is a better tournament and closer to home with good prizes and they get guaranteed spot. Why any European who got invited to Assembly chose MLG is beyond me
MLG is a way better tournament. You're such an absurd fanboy of anything European.
In what way is MLG a better tournament? Normally MLgs are good tournaments but this won't even have a crowd lol
Because the player pool is around a million times better than Assembly's. I will watch both but it's not at all comparable.
The player pool is the koreans. We lacking all the best foreigner players. I normally watch GSL to see koreans. Im not gonna watch this "Mlg event" where the koreans gonna stomp NA and midtier EU players. pointless
I'm glad that Stephano is going to Assembly to further his advance as the highest-earning SC2 foreigner, while his closest rivals will foolishly attempt to defeat overpowering Korean force at this MLG event.
On January 28 2012 08:05 Eee wrote: The following Europeans comes to mind, and should've been invited: aTnDarkforce RoXKIS.BratOK EmpireBeastyqt IMBA.FXO Strelok BLY sYz Dignitas DreAm Acer Nerchio GL Snute Babyknight
I also feel that chinese players should've been invited to the Korean/taiwanese qualifier.
How do you know they weren't?
Why would they decline an invite to a qualifier that pays the travel to the tournament? doesnt make any sense. And also there are alot more EU players missing, even if you dont count these.
Assembly is a better tournament and closer to home with good prizes and they get guaranteed spot. Why any European who got invited to Assembly chose MLG is beyond me
MLG is a way better tournament. You're such an absurd fanboy of anything European.
In what way is MLG a better tournament? Normally MLgs are good tournaments but this won't even have a crowd lol
Because the player pool is around a million times better than Assembly's. I will watch both but it's not at all comparable.
The player pool is the koreans. We lacking all the best foreigner players. I normally watch GSL to see koreans. Im not gonna watch this "Mlg event" where the koreans gonna stomp NA and midtier EU players. pointless
Then dont. But stop saying bullshit? Naniwa,HuK,IdrA potentially: Thorzain,SaSe,WhiteRa,MorroW,Ret,Socke,etc... hardly mid tier...
On January 28 2012 08:05 Eee wrote: The following Europeans comes to mind, and should've been invited: aTnDarkforce RoXKIS.BratOK EmpireBeastyqt IMBA.FXO Strelok BLY sYz Dignitas DreAm Acer Nerchio GL Snute Babyknight
I also feel that chinese players should've been invited to the Korean/taiwanese qualifier.
How do you know they weren't?
Why would they decline an invite to a qualifier that pays the travel to the tournament? doesnt make any sense. And also there are alot more EU players missing, even if you dont count these.
Assembly is a better tournament and closer to home with good prizes and they get guaranteed spot. Why any European who got invited to Assembly chose MLG is beyond me
MLG is a way better tournament. You're such an absurd fanboy of anything European.
In what way is MLG a better tournament? Normally MLgs are good tournaments but this won't even have a crowd lol
Because the player pool is around a million times better than Assembly's. I will watch both but it's not at all comparable.
The player pool is the koreans. We lacking all the best foreigner players. I normally watch GSL to see koreans. Im not gonna watch this "Mlg event" where the koreans gonna stomp NA and midtier EU players. pointless
You're not gonna watch an event with Naniwa, HuK, Idra, and likely ThorZain, Ret and Sjow, Morrow, and maybe even White-Ra and Sase?
On January 28 2012 08:05 Eee wrote: The following Europeans comes to mind, and should've been invited: aTnDarkforce RoXKIS.BratOK EmpireBeastyqt IMBA.FXO Strelok BLY sYz Dignitas DreAm Acer Nerchio GL Snute Babyknight
I also feel that chinese players should've been invited to the Korean/taiwanese qualifier.
How do you know they weren't?
Why would they decline an invite to a qualifier that pays the travel to the tournament? doesnt make any sense. And also there are alot more EU players missing, even if you dont count these.
Assembly is a better tournament and closer to home with good prizes and they get guaranteed spot. Why any European who got invited to Assembly chose MLG is beyond me
MLG is a way better tournament. You're such an absurd fanboy of anything European.
In what way is MLG a better tournament? Normally MLgs are good tournaments but this won't even have a crowd lol
Because the player pool is around a million times better than Assembly's. I will watch both but it's not at all comparable.
The player pool is the koreans. We lacking all the best foreigner players. I normally watch GSL to see koreans. Im not gonna watch this "Mlg event" where the koreans gonna stomp NA and midtier EU players. pointless
You're not gonna watch an event with Naniwa, HuK, Idra, and likely ThorZain, Ret and Sjow, Morrow, and maybe even White-Ra?
Sup with all the european/koreans under the north america.. naama, sase, themuslim, rain, illusion, morrow etc etc.. o.O usa lacking good players so everyone wanna play there?
For all the people saying Koreans are going to dominate...you realize that only 8 Koreans will come out of the Korean qualifier, right? 8 Koreans, 8 Europeans, 8 North Americans, 4 pre seeded Foreigners from Providence, and 4 pre seeded Korean players from Providence. By my count that is 20 Foreigners and 12 Koreans, and all of the players should be top tier after running their respective gauntlets.
So much negativity ! This is why they play the actual games people. Victors are never crowned on paper.
On January 28 2012 10:00 MLG_Adam wrote: For all the people saying Koreans are going to dominate...you realize that only 8 Koreans will come out of the Korean qualifier, right? 8 Koreans, 8 Europeans, 8 North Americans, 4 pre seeded Foreigners from Providence, and 4 pre seeded Korean players from Providence. By my count that is 20 Foreigners and 12 Koreans, and all of the players should be top tier after running their respective gauntlets.
So much negativity ! This is why they play the actual games people. Victors are never crowned on paper.
you guys should think on inviting more europeans for the qualifier u left a lot of talent outside
On January 28 2012 10:00 MLG_Adam wrote: For all the people saying Koreans are going to dominate...you realize that only 8 Koreans will come out of the Korean qualifier, right? 8 Koreans, 8 Europeans, 8 North Americans, 4 pre seeded Foreigners from Providence, and 4 pre seeded Korean players from Providence. By my count that is 20 Foreigners and 12 Koreans, and all of the players should be top tier after running their respective gauntlets.
So much negativity ! This is why they play the actual games people. Victors are never crowned on paper.
you guys should think on inviting more europeans for the qualifier u left a lot of talent outside
On January 28 2012 10:00 MLG_Adam wrote: For all the people saying Koreans are going to dominate...you realize that only 8 Koreans will come out of the Korean qualifier, right? 8 Koreans, 8 Europeans, 8 North Americans, 4 pre seeded Foreigners from Providence, and 4 pre seeded Korean players from Providence. By my count that is 20 Foreigners and 12 Koreans, and all of the players should be top tier after running their respective gauntlets.
So much negativity ! This is why they play the actual games people. Victors are never crowned on paper.
you guys should think on inviting more europeans for the qualifier u left a lot of talent outside
We did. Many are attending Assembly. Others like Dimaga simply could not attend.
On January 28 2012 10:00 MLG_Adam wrote: For all the people saying Koreans are going to dominate...you realize that only 8 Koreans will come out of the Korean qualifier, right? 8 Koreans, 8 Europeans, 8 North Americans, 4 pre seeded Foreigners from Providence, and 4 pre seeded Korean players from Providence. By my count that is 20 Foreigners and 12 Koreans, and all of the players should be top tier after running their respective gauntlets.
So much negativity ! This is why they play the actual games people. Victors are never crowned on paper.
you guys should think on inviting more europeans for the qualifier u left a lot of talent outside
We did. Many are attending Assembly. Others like Dimaga simply could not attend.
You could have not thrown the effectively second highest ranked EU tournament after DreamHack under the bus then
Sorry but I dont get this. Did you invite the players to the qualifier? This must be a joke. Please look at how IEM does it, they have a very fair system. Everyone should be able to sign up for this qualifier. There are constantly coming up so many good players since SC2 is such a new game and it is so popular, how do they get a chance if most tournaments are invite only? Is a new up and coming player forced to win 10 online cups before he is popular enough to get a chance to qualify for MLG? A qualification system based on popularity is really not what I expect from MLG.
On January 28 2012 10:00 MLG_Adam wrote: For all the people saying Koreans are going to dominate...you realize that only 8 Koreans will come out of the Korean qualifier, right? 8 Koreans, 8 Europeans, 8 North Americans, 4 pre seeded Foreigners from Providence, and 4 pre seeded Korean players from Providence. By my count that is 20 Foreigners and 12 Koreans, and all of the players should be top tier after running their respective gauntlets.
So much negativity ! This is why they play the actual games people. Victors are never crowned on paper.
So 6 of the top 8 at the Winter Arena will be Koreans. Gotcha.
On January 28 2012 10:18 marcesr wrote: Sorry but I dont get this. Did you invite the players to the qualifier? This must be a joke. Please look at how IEM does it, they have a very fair system. Everyone should be able to sign up for this qualifier. There are constantly coming up so many good players since SC2 is such a new game and it is so popular, how do they get a chance if most tournaments are invite only? Is a new up and coming player forced to win 10 online cups before he is popular enough to get a chance to qualify for MLG? A qualification system based on popularity is really not what I expect from MLG.
We agree. This is a trial/pressed for time situation, not the model for the rest of the year.
On January 28 2012 10:00 MLG_Adam wrote: For all the people saying Koreans are going to dominate...you realize that only 8 Koreans will come out of the Korean qualifier, right? 8 Koreans, 8 Europeans, 8 North Americans, 4 pre seeded Foreigners from Providence, and 4 pre seeded Korean players from Providence. By my count that is 20 Foreigners and 12 Koreans, and all of the players should be top tier after running their respective gauntlets.
So much negativity ! This is why they play the actual games people. Victors are never crowned on paper.
Mehh, it'd be a lot cooler to just invite the actual top players, but I guess that'd be unfair. Pretty obvious they are limiting the number of Koreans that can participate but it's kinda reasonable...
if tournaments ran it through everyone on the internet asking oh is it ok for you if we have it on this weekend, will you be able to watch it on stream, ect.ect.. nothing would ever get done, the availability of convention is also another huge issue with schedule, i dont think he threw eu or assembly under the bus he just gave you a direct answer, deal with it
On January 28 2012 10:00 MLG_Adam wrote: For all the people saying Koreans are going to dominate...you realize that only 8 Koreans will come out of the Korean qualifier, right? 8 Koreans, 8 Europeans, 8 North Americans, 4 pre seeded Foreigners from Providence, and 4 pre seeded Korean players from Providence. By my count that is 20 Foreigners and 12 Koreans, and all of the players should be top tier after running their respective gauntlets.
So much negativity ! This is why they play the actual games people. Victors are never crowned on paper.
So 9/12 Korean top finishes at least.
I'd say Huk, idra etc would place but I don't see them on the list.
On January 28 2012 10:00 MLG_Adam wrote: For all the people saying Koreans are going to dominate...you realize that only 8 Koreans will come out of the Korean qualifier, right? 8 Koreans, 8 Europeans, 8 North Americans, 4 pre seeded Foreigners from Providence, and 4 pre seeded Korean players from Providence. By my count that is 20 Foreigners and 12 Koreans, and all of the players should be top tier after running their respective gauntlets.
So much negativity ! This is why they play the actual games people. Victors are never crowned on paper.
So 9/12 Korean top finishes at least.
I'd say Huk, idra etc would place but I don't see them on the list.
Idra, Huk, Naniwa, and Haypro are already qualified from Providenced (It is in the OP in bold)
Is there a reason MLG decided to have their tournament at the same date as Assembly? Not just are they losing a lot of viewers who prefer Assembly, they alos miss out on a lot of top players.
On January 28 2012 10:25 Champloo wrote: Is there a reason MLG decided to have their tournament at the same date as Assembly? Not just are they losing a lot of viewers who prefer Assembly, they alos miss out on a lot of top players.
Theres a reason why hosting Large scale events like MLG's are hard, finding an available venue with the right size and choosing from the available cities without date stumping another event.
On January 28 2012 10:25 Champloo wrote: Is there a reason MLG decided to have their tournament at the same date as Assembly? Not just are they losing a lot of viewers who prefer Assembly, they alos miss out on a lot of top players.
well due to timezones, that weekend is going to awesome as a viewer, 24/7 starcraft matches of top pros, cant complain about that part
I had a good laugh at some of the US invites. Apparently MLG didn't learn anything from last season in that regard. Maybe we'll be fortunate enough to have a third season with Xel'Naga in the map pool as well.
On a side note, I played MLG Antiga today and there are no more forced cross spawn and no more gold bases. Maybe they know something GSL doesn't by allowing close spawn on a map which isn't symmetrical by any means, lol.
On January 28 2012 10:51 ConRa wrote: Why are Morrow and SaSe in NA?
You can qualify in any region you want, but only in 1 region, so they must have decided that it would be easier to qualify in NA as opposed to EU or KR and have gone in there.
On January 28 2012 08:05 Eee wrote: The following Europeans comes to mind, and should've been invited: aTnDarkforce RoXKIS.BratOK EmpireBeastyqt IMBA.FXO Strelok BLY sYz Dignitas DreAm Acer Nerchio GL Snute Babyknight
I also feel that chinese players should've been invited to the Korean/taiwanese qualifier.
How do you know they weren't?
Why would they decline an invite to a qualifier that pays the travel to the tournament? doesnt make any sense. And also there are alot more EU players missing, even if you dont count these.
Assembly is a better tournament and closer to home with good prizes and they get guaranteed spot. Why any European who got invited to Assembly chose MLG is beyond me
MLG is a way better tournament. You're such an absurd fanboy of anything European.
In what way is MLG a better tournament? Normally MLgs are good tournaments but this won't even have a crowd lol
Because the player pool is around a million times better than Assembly's. I will watch both but it's not at all comparable.
The player pool is the koreans. We lacking all the best foreigner players. I normally watch GSL to see koreans. Im not gonna watch this "Mlg event" where the koreans gonna stomp NA and midtier EU players. pointless
Mid tier EU?
It has (assuming they all qualify) Sase, Thorzain, Naniwa, Morrow, Ret, Sjow, Socke, HasuObs, White Ra, Grubby (plus Huk, Sheth and Idra as other foreigners)
The only massive names in the EU scene missing are Stephano, Nerchio, Kas and Dimaga.
I realise you are Stephano's number one blind fanboy but if you won't watch a tournament because four guys aren't playing when 99% of the worlds best player are then that's pretty damn sad.
Ok so in editting my last post I noticed a couple of mistakes in the OP (unless Liquipedia is wrong). First one is Violet is meant to be this viOLet. Also Yoda is meant to be YoDa.
On January 28 2012 10:46 Gigaudas wrote: So happy for Haypro :D
I know right? It's great that this tournament stands tribute to the all mighty hayprolling of MLG Providence. It was a hell of a good time to go super sayan. Haypro Ascended fighting!
On January 28 2012 10:00 MLG_Adam wrote: For all the people saying Koreans are going to dominate...you realize that only 8 Koreans will come out of the Korean qualifier, right? 8 Koreans, 8 Europeans, 8 North Americans, 4 pre seeded Foreigners from Providence, and 4 pre seeded Korean players from Providence. By my count that is 20 Foreigners and 12 Koreans, and all of the players should be top tier after running their respective gauntlets.
So much negativity ! This is why they play the actual games people. Victors are never crowned on paper.
Well said.. now if it was less about 'popularity and the invited' and more about pure competition..
good stuff though.. regardless of the format.. it should be solid stuff.
On January 28 2012 10:00 MLG_Adam wrote: For all the people saying Koreans are going to dominate...you realize that only 8 Koreans will come out of the Korean qualifier, right? 8 Koreans, 8 Europeans, 8 North Americans, 4 pre seeded Foreigners from Providence, and 4 pre seeded Korean players from Providence. By my count that is 20 Foreigners and 12 Koreans, and all of the players should be top tier after running their respective gauntlets.
So much negativity ! This is why they play the actual games people. Victors are never crowned on paper.
I wouldn't worry too much about those guys Adam. People said the same thing before Orlando.
On January 28 2012 12:07 RPR_Tempest wrote: mOOnGLaDe going to an MLG?
YOU BETTER BELIEVE IT!
Much as I'd love an Australian at MLG, I can't see Moonglade making it out of the KR qualifiers >.< Too stacked...
We must have faith.
It is worth noting that mOOnGLaDe almost took out MarineKing at WCG, so I dunno, I think he can definitely beat a few players. Make it to Top 8? Unlikely, but it won't hurt to cheer.
"The Online Qualifiers for the Winter Pro Circuit Season are almost upon us! The Top 8 from each region will be flown, all expenses paid, to NYC to compete in the Arena. These 24 players will be joined by the Top 8 finishers from MLG Providence '11: Leenock, Naniwa, DongRaeGu, Mvp, Huk, MC, Haypro, and Idra."
On January 28 2012 09:27 OzVelas wrote: mlg should have pick a better date... its not like they didnt know about assembly and now top eu are missing.
Seems like They didn't know
Kind of stupid since assembly has been held at this time of the year for a long time.
Just because it's held at the same time as last time doesn't mean they would know about it. SC scene hosts a ton of tournaments, With MLG hosting 6 last year. It's easy to lose track of tournaments while planning events, Especially when they have to find an available venue.
On January 28 2012 12:47 common_cider wrote: did they forget about quantic.flo or is this a male only invite tournament?
Based on her results in that female only tournament? meh, Don't think MLG should count that tourny.
On January 28 2012 12:50 System42 wrote: Can someone explain to me why Inori is signed up for the NA and Zenio is signed up for korean? They are both Korean and both are on foreigner teams
I think Inori lives in the U.S., and Zenio lives in Korea.
On January 28 2012 13:22 Hulavuta wrote: Why is MorroW USA? I mean he's #1 USA but still....
But seriously why?
The players could play on any server they wanted and in any qualifier they wanted.
However, if they played outside their region they would have to A - Deal with the latency of playing on that server B - Would get a smaller stipend to account for their travel fee.
So for example, if someone like Morrow decides to play on NA qualifer which might be an easier qualifier he can choose to do it, but he'll only get $400(I believe that is the amount) to put toward his travel instead of having it all paid if he qualified in EU and he has to play on NA.
So it was a choice, no lag/harder qualifier or go to a harder qualifier but you get more expense paid and no lag.
Also, I doubt the players knew who was going to play in which qualifiers, so that might have affected some decisions too.
And what I say here could be wrong, but in reading this is what I've gathered as how it worked.
The "Killer" that's shown on the North america qualifier is actually linked to TSLKiller profile, not d.KiLLeR.
-Edit- My mistake, TSL killer is being shown on the NA Qualifier and d.KiLLeR is shown on the TW/KR Qualifier, didn't realized killer was actually that good to qualify on the korean server, gratz to him, same goes for White-ra, but.. we all know white-ra needs a nerf, his special tactics are way too imbalanced :D!
On January 28 2012 12:45 Chriscras wrote: LOL so much confusion about the already qualified players all over TL today.
MLG should edit the OP to emphasize IdrA, HuK, MC etc. have already qualified.
TL BANJO HWAITING!
MLG didn't make this thread, Team liquid did.
Well there is your first problem, you would think after all of their experience from 2011 MLG would at least be making threads on TL about their own announcements. Maybe Slasher shouldn't have been fired for stirring up a fighting game bees nest eh?
On January 28 2012 12:45 Chriscras wrote: LOL so much confusion about the already qualified players all over TL today.
MLG should edit the OP to emphasize IdrA, HuK, MC etc. have already qualified.
TL BANJO HWAITING!
MLG didn't make this thread, Team liquid did.
Well there is your first problem, you would think after all of their experience from 2011 MLG would at least be making threads on TL about their own announcements. Maybe Slasher shouldn't have been fired for stirring up a fighting game bees nest eh?
Maybe people should not jump to conclusions so fast. I know it takes people time to read through the threads, but they posted it first and did not open a new thread out of respect to the forums.
Wow. That's actually a lot more Europeans than I expected for the qualifiers, considering how few had ever done MLG before. Will be fun to see this tournament with more or less equal participants from each region. Looking good. Amazing amount of Korean talent :D
On January 28 2012 12:45 Chriscras wrote: LOL so much confusion about the already qualified players all over TL today.
MLG should edit the OP to emphasize IdrA, HuK, MC etc. have already qualified.
TL BANJO HWAITING!
MLG didn't make this thread, Team liquid did.
Well there is your first problem, you would think after all of their experience from 2011 MLG would at least be making threads on TL about their own announcements. Maybe Slasher shouldn't have been fired for stirring up a fighting game bees nest eh?
On January 28 2012 15:41 SwampyNZ wrote: So is this the final # of players? Are you going to fill the spots of the people that declined or couldn't make it with other players?
These are QUALIFIERS..
this means only 8 of the 3 regional groups will get paid flights etc to MLG. This is NOT the list of players attending MLG.
Providence top 8 is kind of BS. most of those players were seeded and they didn't really have to do anything. Like Huk. All he did was lose, then defend some poor Cheese from Hero. Sort of same deal with naniwa who just kind of rolled over and died trying to execute the exact same build over and over again.
Or Haypro who went on a single tourney streak.
I'm not saying any of the seeded players are bad or anything but I think it's kind of retarded to seed players based on a different tourney that had a good chunk of these players already seeded high.
I guess I'm just against having seeds for this tourneyment. It's a new season, why make results from previous season so hugely important?
On January 28 2012 15:41 SwampyNZ wrote: So is this the final # of players? Are you going to fill the spots of the people that declined or couldn't make it with other players?
These are QUALIFIERS..
this means only 8 of the 3 regional groups will get paid flights etc to MLG. This is NOT the list of players attending MLG.
I wish people would read the OP.
He's talking about the fact that there's only 115 players on this list, when apparently John Nelson had decided on 139 in the original announcement.
Are they going to add 24 more players? Sundance already basically tweeted Moon would play, PuMa and JYP are missing, I'm betting JYP/PuMa are missing because they're still deciding if they want to play in NA or KR qualifier .
On January 28 2012 15:41 SwampyNZ wrote: So is this the final # of players? Are you going to fill the spots of the people that declined or couldn't make it with other players?
These are QUALIFIERS..
this means only 8 of the 3 regional groups will get paid flights etc to MLG. This is NOT the list of players attending MLG.
I wish people would read the OP.
He's talking about the fact that there's only 115 players on this list, when apparently John Nelson had decided on 139 in the original announcement.
Are they going to add 24 more players? Sundance already basically tweeted Moon would play, PuMa and JYP are missing, I'm betting JYP/PuMa are missing because they're still deciding if they want to play in NA or KR qualifier .
It'd be pretty bad if they were allowed to wait and see where everyone else decided to play when making their decision.
Can someone explain the reasoning why players are allowed to choose which qualifier to attend? It would make sense to pay flights only from that region to mlg and back.
On January 28 2012 16:08 Jarree wrote: Can someone explain the reasoning why players are allowed to choose which qualifier to attend?
My guess is that the real reasoning is lack of an alternative. How do you decide who plays in what? Where does Select go? Hero? Jinro? There's no good system.
On January 28 2012 16:08 Jarree wrote: Can someone explain the reasoning why players are allowed to choose which qualifier to attend? It would make sense to pay flights only from that region to mlg and back.
Thats basically how they do it. Players can pick any qualifier. However your flight is only fully paid if the flight is from the region you qualified for (other wise you only get $400 towards your flight). So majority players are playing from where they are at the time and most people don't want to deal with lag.
On January 28 2012 15:41 SwampyNZ wrote: So is this the final # of players? Are you going to fill the spots of the people that declined or couldn't make it with other players?
These are QUALIFIERS..
this means only 8 of the 3 regional groups will get paid flights etc to MLG. This is NOT the list of players attending MLG.
I wish people would read the OP.
He's talking about the fact that there's only 115 players on this list, when apparently John Nelson had decided on 139 in the original announcement.
Are they going to add 24 more players? Sundance already basically tweeted Moon would play, PuMa and JYP are missing, I'm betting JYP/PuMa are missing because they're still deciding if they want to play in NA or KR qualifier .
Yes thats what i meant. destiny is an example of someone who wasn't invited an he himself even said his results from last year didn't warrant an invite but since there are still spaces and he has had better results this year that they could allocate a spot for him or other players that missed out.
On January 28 2012 07:18 _DarkArchon_ wrote: Stephano, MaNa, Dimaga, Nerchio all missing? Instead from Europe we have Bigs, Pomi, Welmu, Xlord... ... ...
Maybe they just could not attend? Sad to see but I think it's not MLGs doing that they're not there. I'm really glad MLG brought us this amazing set of players and 2012 is just looking better and better for eSports!
It's hilarious how Naama, Morrow, and SaSe are all playing in the NA qualifier.
I guess they just think it's so much more easier compared to the others--- even though there is only 26 people in the European qualifier and they would only have to win 2 matches to finish in the top 8...
I don't think they all will get through, especially since SaSe and Morrow should still be in Korea (latency issues, mayhaps)? Either way, some of those people in the list can knock them out and hopefully do.
Socke Nightend Cloud Hasuobs Gruby and maybe Goody seem to be the only EU player in the qualifier there that have a chance at the top 10 in the mlg Where is stephano, mana, dimaga, nerchio TT !? + Show Spoiler +
Yes i know they will be at Asembly, but its still sad they are not going to mlg kick some korean ass
Not gonna lie, gonna get the hate here, but I kind of wished that Destiny got invited. He at least was another source of crowds which was cool. He also rarely wins so it is exciting when he does because I have the underdog complex haha.
On January 28 2012 08:05 Eee wrote: The following Europeans comes to mind, and should've been invited: aTnDarkforce RoXKIS.BratOK EmpireBeastyqt IMBA.FXO Strelok BLY sYz Dignitas DreAm Acer Nerchio GL Snute Babyknight
I also feel that chinese players should've been invited to the Korean/taiwanese qualifier.
How do you know they weren't?
Why would they decline an invite to a qualifier that pays the travel to the tournament? doesnt make any sense. And also there are alot more EU players missing, even if you dont count these.
Assembly is a better tournament and closer to home with good prizes and they get guaranteed spot. Why any European who got invited to Assembly chose MLG is beyond me
MLG is a way better tournament. You're such an absurd fanboy of anything European.
In what way is MLG a better tournament? Normally MLgs are good tournaments but this won't even have a crowd lol
Because the player pool is around a million times better than Assembly's. I will watch both but it's not at all comparable.
The player pool is the koreans. We lacking all the best foreigner players. I normally watch GSL to see koreans. Im not gonna watch this "Mlg event" where the koreans gonna stomp NA and midtier EU players. pointless
Mid tier EU?
It has (assuming they all qualify) Sase, Thorzain, Naniwa, Morrow, Ret, Sjow, Socke, HasuObs, White Ra, Grubby (plus Huk, Sheth and Idra as other foreigners)
The only massive names in the EU scene missing are Stephano, Nerchio, Kas and Dimaga.
I realise you are Stephano's number one blind fanboy but if you won't watch a tournament because four guys aren't playing when 99% of the worlds best player are then that's pretty damn sad.
Yes. The only massive names in the EU scene missing are the highest-earning SC2 foreign player, and the top 3 foreign players in the first tournament of the year. No big deal right ?
On January 28 2012 18:40 TemujinGK wrote: Not gonna lie, gonna get the hate here, but I kind of wished that Destiny got invited. He at least was another source of crowds which was cool. He also rarely wins so it is exciting when he does because I have the underdog complex haha.
On January 28 2012 18:40 TemujinGK wrote: Not gonna lie, gonna get the hate here, but I kind of wished that Destiny got invited. He at least was another source of crowds which was cool. He also rarely wins so it is exciting when he does because I have the underdog complex haha.
Good thing he wasn't.
Its funny how divided Destiny are among the NA fans. 50% loves him 50% hates him. Personally I think he is a good and funny guy with alot of personality
On January 28 2012 07:18 _DarkArchon_ wrote: Stephano, MaNa, Dimaga, Nerchio all missing? Instead from Europe we have Bigs, Pomi, Welmu, Xlord... ... ...
Maybe they just could not attend? Sad to see but I think it's not MLGs doing that they're not there. I'm really glad MLG brought us this amazing set of players and 2012 is just looking better and better for eSports!
On January 28 2012 10:56 LuckyFool wrote: Nice invites most of the players are very well deserved!! Hope for some good action in the qualifiers. New format for MLG seems promising.
Like this post, so going to quote and use them as my thoughts as well!
Funny how many reposts there basically are. Its the world of many tournaments now, just hope MLG puts on a good show and the players as well! (Especially the NA players (and an extra especially to the old BW vets!)
On January 28 2012 17:38 Perseverance wrote: Some of the Koreans should consider playing on EU server for this...assuming the list doesn't change.
Korea to EU latency (vice versa and so) is considered to be the worst among all the servers. Most EU vs KR show matches happen in the American server simply because it is too much lag, that might also be why SaSe and MorroW are playing in the NA server.
On January 28 2012 08:05 Eee wrote: The following Europeans comes to mind, and should've been invited: aTnDarkforce RoXKIS.BratOK EmpireBeastyqt IMBA.FXO Strelok BLY sYz Dignitas DreAm Acer Nerchio GL Snute Babyknight
I also feel that chinese players should've been invited to the Korean/taiwanese qualifier.
How do you know they weren't?
Why would they decline an invite to a qualifier that pays the travel to the tournament? doesnt make any sense. And also there are alot more EU players missing, even if you dont count these.
Assembly is a better tournament and closer to home with good prizes and they get guaranteed spot. Why any European who got invited to Assembly chose MLG is beyond me
MLG is a way better tournament. You're such an absurd fanboy of anything European.
In what way is MLG a better tournament? Normally MLgs are good tournaments but this won't even have a crowd lol
Because the player pool is around a million times better than Assembly's. I will watch both but it's not at all comparable.
The player pool is the koreans. We lacking all the best foreigner players. I normally watch GSL to see koreans. Im not gonna watch this "Mlg event" where the koreans gonna stomp NA and midtier EU players. pointless
Mid tier EU?
It has (assuming they all qualify) Sase, Thorzain, Naniwa, Morrow, Ret, Sjow, Socke, HasuObs, White Ra, Grubby (plus Huk, Sheth and Idra as other foreigners)
The only massive names in the EU scene missing are Stephano, Nerchio, Kas and Dimaga.
I realise you are Stephano's number one blind fanboy but if you won't watch a tournament because four guys aren't playing when 99% of the worlds best player are then that's pretty damn sad.
Yes. The only massive names in the EU scene missing are the highest-earning SC2 foreign player, and the top 3 foreign players in the first tournament of the year. No big deal right ?
Well as none of them are in the top 20 players in the world anyway it doesn't matter.
This is the worst tournament qualification system I have ever seen. Invitations based is pretty much the worst thing ever (prevent upcoming players from even having a chance), but having "regions quota" is equally as bad.
But the thing annoying me the most is that the majority of the community doesn't seems to have a problem with it. I'm very disapointed.
On January 28 2012 20:07 kaoka67 wrote: This is the worst tournament qualification system I have ever seen. Invitations based is pretty much the worst thing ever (prevent upcoming players from even having a chance), but having "regions quota" is equally as bad.
But the thing annoying me the most is that the majority of the community doesn't seems to have a problem with it. I'm very disapointed.
Because basically anyone who's anyone has been invited. There's loads of lesser known players on the invite list.
On January 28 2012 20:07 kaoka67 wrote: This is the worst tournament qualification system I have ever seen. Invitations based is pretty much the worst thing ever (prevent upcoming players from even having a chance), but having "regions quota" is equally as bad.
But the thing annoying me the most is that the majority of the community doesn't seems to have a problem with it. I'm very disapointed.
Because basically anyone who's anyone has been invited. There's loads of lesser known players on the invite list.
Every established players were anyone who weren't anyone before being established.
How likely do you think it would have been for Thorzain to be on this list if TSL3 has used this system ?
This looks more like a TV show than a actual competition.
On January 28 2012 20:07 kaoka67 wrote: This is the worst tournament qualification system I have ever seen. Invitations based is pretty much the worst thing ever (prevent upcoming players from even having a chance), but having "regions quota" is equally as bad.
But the thing annoying me the most is that the majority of the community doesn't seems to have a problem with it. I'm very disapointed.
Because basically anyone who's anyone has been invited. There's loads of lesser known players on the invite list.
Every established players were anyone who weren't anyone before being established.
How likely do you think it would have been for Thorzain to be on this list if TSL3 has used this system ?
This looks more like a TV show than a actual competition.
The new MLG system makes every tournament in 2011 as well as the Blizzard ladder a Qualifier for MLG winter 2012, ppl who couldn't make the cut have the open bracket. This is a more global system compared to last season's, This is also a better system since it brings the best out of each region.
I really hope MLG goes with an open qualifier for the spring. How can the next Thorzain, Feast, Elfi, Killer or Gatored get discovered with this system? Just impossible
On January 28 2012 20:26 Choboo wrote: I really hope MLG goes with an open qualifier for the spring. How can the next Thorzain, Feast, Elfi, Killer or Gatored get discovered with this system? Just impossible
Open bracket or next season, The qualifiers for MLG winter season was the whole 2011.
On January 28 2012 20:07 kaoka67 wrote: This is the worst tournament qualification system I have ever seen. Invitations based is pretty much the worst thing ever (prevent upcoming players from even having a chance), but having "regions quota" is equally as bad.
But the thing annoying me the most is that the majority of the community doesn't seems to have a problem with it. I'm very disapointed.
New account created today just for this post?
you're scared to post on your main acct? your main acct is (temp) banned? this finally got you to make a TL account?
I think (like streaming) there should be a delay for making your first post..
On January 28 2012 20:26 Choboo wrote: I really hope MLG goes with an open qualifier for the spring. How can the next Thorzain, Feast, Elfi, Killer or Gatored get discovered with this system? Just impossible
Open bracket or next season, The qualifiers for MLG winter season was the whole 2011.
Open bracket won't really help since it's not really feasible for an up and coming European or Korean to fly to US with a horrible seed and really small chance to win. If MLG doesn't go with online open qualifier for the spring I'll be really disappointed in Sundance. Do you guys think that Stephano would have been at IPL3 if there weren't an open online qualifier? No chance
On January 28 2012 20:07 kaoka67 wrote: This is the worst tournament qualification system I have ever seen. Invitations based is pretty much the worst thing ever (prevent upcoming players from even having a chance), but having "regions quota" is equally as bad.
But the thing annoying me the most is that the majority of the community doesn't seems to have a problem with it. I'm very disapointed.
I don't like the invitations system either. But they don't have a 'regions quota'. Every player can decide in which qualifier he wants to compete. For example Morrow an Naama are playing NA qualifier.
Why don't you just allow everyone higher than 1000 masters points to join. having an invite qualifier is kinda defeating the purpose of the whole qualifier idea imo
On January 28 2012 20:26 Choboo wrote: I really hope MLG goes with an open qualifier for the spring. How can the next Thorzain, Feast, Elfi, Killer or Gatored get discovered with this system? Just impossible
Open bracket or next season, The qualifiers for MLG winter season was the whole 2011.
Open bracket won't really help since it's not really feasible for an up and coming European or Korean to fly to US with a horrible seed and really small chance to win. If MLG doesn't go with online open qualifier for the spring I'll be really disappointed in Sundance. Do you guys think that Stephano would have been at IPL3 if there weren't an open online qualifier? No chance
MLG isn't the only tournament to make a name at.
Do well in the (open) daily/weekly online tournaments. Do well in other smaller tournaments with open qualifications. Get invited to bigger events. I don't think this is that big an issue.
On January 28 2012 20:26 Choboo wrote: I really hope MLG goes with an open qualifier for the spring. How can the next Thorzain, Feast, Elfi, Killer or Gatored get discovered with this system? Just impossible
Open bracket or next season, The qualifiers for MLG winter season was the whole 2011.
Open bracket won't really help since it's not really feasible for an up and coming European or Korean to fly to US with a horrible seed and really small chance to win. If MLG doesn't go with online open qualifier for the spring I'll be really disappointed in Sundance. Do you guys think that Stephano would have been at IPL3 if there weren't an open online qualifier? No chance
MLG isn't the only tournament to make a name at.
Do well in the (open) daily/weekly online tournaments. Do well in other smaller tournaments with open qualifications. Get invited to bigger events. I don't think this is that big an issue.
I know I'm just saying that if MLG wants legendary story lines and so on they should definitely consider open qualifier but of course there's other chances for an unknown to prove themselves but there needs to be more.
On January 28 2012 20:26 Choboo wrote: I really hope MLG goes with an open qualifier for the spring. How can the next Thorzain, Feast, Elfi, Killer or Gatored get discovered with this system? Just impossible
Open bracket or next season, The qualifiers for MLG winter season was the whole 2011.
Open bracket won't really help since it's not really feasible for an up and coming European or Korean to fly to US with a horrible seed and really small chance to win. If MLG doesn't go with online open qualifier for the spring I'll be really disappointed in Sundance. Do you guys think that Stephano would have been at IPL3 if there weren't an open online qualifier? No chance
Good point..
I tend to agree we need an open qualifier so the unknown players got a chance to shine
On January 28 2012 20:26 Choboo wrote: I really hope MLG goes with an open qualifier for the spring. How can the next Thorzain, Feast, Elfi, Killer or Gatored get discovered with this system? Just impossible
Open bracket or next season, The qualifiers for MLG winter season was the whole 2011.
Open bracket won't really help since it's not really feasible for an up and coming European or Korean to fly to US with a horrible seed and really small chance to win. If MLG doesn't go with online open qualifier for the spring I'll be really disappointed in Sundance. Do you guys think that Stephano would have been at IPL3 if there weren't an open online qualifier? No chance
lol athalf these comments, just because MLG is apparently bigger in may not belike that to the Europeans? Assembly is probably a bigger deal. Also bit different going one or two hours forwards rather then a 7 hours backwards time difference with a LOT more expsenive plane tickets and yes and the best koreans..
Just a shame that this happened with two events on same weekend, otherwise I bet we WOULD see them at both... MLG love t oclash with other tournaments yet other tournamensts its a lot less rare?
I just read, Delphi was not invited (http://www.sc2pro.de/?p=1580). The guy defeated MKP in his (mkp´s) best MU at a LAN only one month ago and you don´t invite him, but you invite guys like ThisIsJimmy, Mihai, Hawk, wbc, etc....? Really MLG?
okay this time i will try to follow this MLG Tournament. I just heard about it... hopefully it is an nice event, never seen any coverage of mlg before. Same timing with Assembly...difficult to decide. Hopefully the different timezones will make it able to follow both tournys
On January 28 2012 20:47 Xoronius wrote: I just read, Delphi was not invited (http://www.sc2pro.de/?p=1580). The guy defeated MKP in his (mkp´s) best MU at a LAN only one month ago and you don´t invite him, but you invite guys like ThisIsJimmy, Mihai, Hawk, wbc, etc....? Really MLG?
You sure Delphi isn't going to Assembly? Cause otherwise it would be really strange not to invite him to this, considering there are a lot worse players invited.
On January 28 2012 17:46 SniXSniPe wrote: It's hilarious how Naama, Morrow, and SaSe are all playing in the NA qualifier.
I guess they just think it's so much more easier compared to the others--- even though there is only 26 people in the European qualifier and they would only have to win 2 matches to finish in the top 8...
I don't think they all will get through, especially since SaSe and Morrow should still be in Korea (latency issues, mayhaps)? Either way, some of those people in the list can knock them out and hopefully do.
They are all in korea and they cant play EU qualifiers because the lag is so bad.And to be honest NA qualifiers are they easiest :/
On January 28 2012 20:47 Xoronius wrote: I just read, Delphi was not invited (http://www.sc2pro.de/?p=1580). The guy defeated MKP in his (mkp´s) best MU at a LAN only one month ago and you don´t invite him, but you invite guys like ThisIsJimmy, Mihai, Hawk, wbc, etc....? Really MLG?
You sure Delphi isn't going to Assembly? Cause otherwise it would be really strange not to invite him to this, considering there are a lot worse players invited.
I am not sure, if he does attend Assembly, but I am sure, that MLG did not invite him.
On January 28 2012 20:26 Choboo wrote: I really hope MLG goes with an open qualifier for the spring. How can the next Thorzain, Feast, Elfi, Killer or Gatored get discovered with this system? Just impossible
Open bracket or next season, The qualifiers for MLG winter season was the whole 2011.
Open bracket won't really help since it's not really feasible for an up and coming European or Korean to fly to US with a horrible seed and really small chance to win. If MLG doesn't go with online open qualifier for the spring I'll be really disappointed in Sundance. Do you guys think that Stephano would have been at IPL3 if there weren't an open online qualifier? No chance
Leenock would like to say hi
Leenock was in code s ro8 when he went to mlg not exactly unknown + he was on fxo one of the wealthiest teams so of course he could go to mlg if he wanted to. Do you think Puma could go to NASL if there was an open bracket instead of an online open qualifier? Would Thorzain go to TSL if that was a LAN event in America?
On January 28 2012 20:48 ZenithM wrote: No MVP. No MC. No good
Check out the people who are already invited via providence, both MC and MVP are part of that list...
I love the list, korean bracket will be soooo much fun to watch, can't really see myself watching a lot of the other two, especially the NA one has a lot of players who I have no intention of watching. But than again I love that MLG is also inviting some of the less known players to give them a shot :D Also pls people stop bitching about mlg not inviting player x, there is probably a good reason for that and it's not like they left out anyone who is actually really good...
On January 28 2012 20:47 Xoronius wrote: I just read, Delphi was not invited (http://www.sc2pro.de/?p=1580). The guy defeated MKP in his (mkp´s) best MU at a LAN only one month ago and you don´t invite him, but you invite guys like ThisIsJimmy, Mihai, Hawk, wbc, etc....? Really MLG?
You sure Delphi isn't going to Assembly? Cause otherwise it would be really strange not to invite him to this, considering there are a lot worse players invited.
I am not sure, if he does attend Assembly, but I am sure, that MLG did not invite him.
Did he tell you himself that he did not get an invite? what was his best placing in a tourney?
On January 28 2012 20:47 Xoronius wrote: I just read, Delphi was not invited (http://www.sc2pro.de/?p=1580). The guy defeated MKP in his (mkp´s) best MU at a LAN only one month ago and you don´t invite him, but you invite guys like ThisIsJimmy, Mihai, Hawk, wbc, etc....? Really MLG?
You sure Delphi isn't going to Assembly? Cause otherwise it would be really strange not to invite him to this, considering there are a lot worse players invited.
I am not sure, if he does attend Assembly, but I am sure, that MLG did not invite him.
Did he tell you himself that he did not get an invite? what was his best placing in a tourney?
Yes, he did tell me himself, that he was not invited, look at my original post, the source is in it. His best placing result is 3rd at EPS germany. Also he won a few online-cups and got second in a few other. What is the best placing of ThisIsJimmy/Hawk/Mihai in a toruney?
On January 28 2012 20:47 Xoronius wrote: I just read, Delphi was not invited (http://www.sc2pro.de/?p=1580). The guy defeated MKP in his (mkp´s) best MU at a LAN only one month ago and you don´t invite him, but you invite guys like ThisIsJimmy, Mihai, Hawk, wbc, etc....? Really MLG?
You sure Delphi isn't going to Assembly? Cause otherwise it would be really strange not to invite him to this, considering there are a lot worse players invited.
I am not sure, if he does attend Assembly, but I am sure, that MLG did not invite him.
Did he tell you himself that he did not get an invite? what was his best placing in a tourney?
Yes, he did tell me himself, that he was not invited, look at my original post, the source is in it. His best placing result is 3rd at EPS germany. Also he won a few online-cups and got second in a few other. What is the best placing of ThisIsJimmy/Hawk/Mihai in a toruney?
Getting pretty deep in multiple open brackets at mlg, which is (imho) a lot more impressing than doing well in a competition full of germans (you know there is a reason why tlo doesn't even compete in those...) and online cups mean nothing.
On January 28 2012 20:47 Xoronius wrote: I just read, Delphi was not invited (http://www.sc2pro.de/?p=1580). The guy defeated MKP in his (mkp´s) best MU at a LAN only one month ago and you don´t invite him, but you invite guys like ThisIsJimmy, Mihai, Hawk, wbc, etc....? Really MLG?
You sure Delphi isn't going to Assembly? Cause otherwise it would be really strange not to invite him to this, considering there are a lot worse players invited.
I am not sure, if he does attend Assembly, but I am sure, that MLG did not invite him.
Did he tell you himself that he did not get an invite? what was his best placing in a tourney?
Yes, he did tell me himself, that he was not invited, look at my original post, the source is in it. His best placing result is 3rd at EPS germany. Also he won a few online-cups and got second in a few other. What is the best placing of ThisIsJimmy/Hawk/Mihai in a toruney?
Getting pretty deep in multiple open brackets at mlg, which is (imho) a lot more impressing than doing well in a competition full of germans (you know there is a reason why tlo doesn't even compete in those...) and online cups mean nothing.
MLG open bracket is full of mid-master NA guys, getting deep in there means nothing. Online cups are full of EU-GM, win an online-cup is probably harder then winning 5-6 rounds in an open bracket, if you have the luck of the draw. To say, that EPS means nothing is ridiculos, when it is a a tourney with 10000€ pricepool, which is, btw. more than MLG had last year.
On January 28 2012 20:47 Xoronius wrote: I just read, Delphi was not invited (http://www.sc2pro.de/?p=1580). The guy defeated MKP in his (mkp´s) best MU at a LAN only one month ago and you don´t invite him, but you invite guys like ThisIsJimmy, Mihai, Hawk, wbc, etc....? Really MLG?
You sure Delphi isn't going to Assembly? Cause otherwise it would be really strange not to invite him to this, considering there are a lot worse players invited.
I am not sure, if he does attend Assembly, but I am sure, that MLG did not invite him.
Did he tell you himself that he did not get an invite? what was his best placing in a tourney?
Yes, he did tell me himself, that he was not invited, look at my original post, the source is in it. His best placing result is 3rd at EPS germany. Also he won a few online-cups and got second in a few other. What is the best placing of ThisIsJimmy/Hawk/Mihai in a toruney?
Getting pretty deep in multiple open brackets at mlg, which is (imho) a lot more impressing than doing well in a competition full of germans (you know there is a reason why tlo doesn't even compete in those...) and online cups mean nothing.
MLG open bracket is full of mid-master NA guys, getting deep in there means nothing. Online cups are full of EU-GM, win an online-cup is probably harder then winning 5-6 rounds in an open bracket, if you have the luck of the draw. To say, that EPS means nothing is ridiculos, when it is a a tourney with 10000€ pricepool, which is, btw. more than MLG had last year.
On January 28 2012 20:47 Xoronius wrote: I just read, Delphi was not invited (http://www.sc2pro.de/?p=1580). The guy defeated MKP in his (mkp´s) best MU at a LAN only one month ago and you don´t invite him, but you invite guys like ThisIsJimmy, Mihai, Hawk, wbc, etc....? Really MLG?
You sure Delphi isn't going to Assembly? Cause otherwise it would be really strange not to invite him to this, considering there are a lot worse players invited.
I am not sure, if he does attend Assembly, but I am sure, that MLG did not invite him.
Did he tell you himself that he did not get an invite? what was his best placing in a tourney?
Yes, he did tell me himself, that he was not invited, look at my original post, the source is in it. His best placing result is 3rd at EPS germany. Also he won a few online-cups and got second in a few other. What is the best placing of ThisIsJimmy/Hawk/Mihai in a toruney?
Getting pretty deep in multiple open brackets at mlg, which is (imho) a lot more impressing than doing well in a competition full of germans (you know there is a reason why tlo doesn't even compete in those...) and online cups mean nothing.
you realise delphi beat mkp at hsc4 right? he's way better than any mid-tier american can ever be
On January 28 2012 20:47 Xoronius wrote: I just read, Delphi was not invited (http://www.sc2pro.de/?p=1580). The guy defeated MKP in his (mkp´s) best MU at a LAN only one month ago and you don´t invite him, but you invite guys like ThisIsJimmy, Mihai, Hawk, wbc, etc....? Really MLG?
You sure Delphi isn't going to Assembly? Cause otherwise it would be really strange not to invite him to this, considering there are a lot worse players invited.
I am not sure, if he does attend Assembly, but I am sure, that MLG did not invite him.
Did he tell you himself that he did not get an invite? what was his best placing in a tourney?
Yes, he did tell me himself, that he was not invited, look at my original post, the source is in it. His best placing result is 3rd at EPS germany. Also he won a few online-cups and got second in a few other. What is the best placing of ThisIsJimmy/Hawk/Mihai in a toruney?
Getting pretty deep in multiple open brackets at mlg, which is (imho) a lot more impressing than doing well in a competition full of germans (you know there is a reason why tlo doesn't even compete in those...) and online cups mean nothing.
MLG open bracket is full of mid-master NA guys, getting deep in there means nothing. Online cups are full of EU-GM, win an online-cup is probably harder then winning 5-6 rounds in an open bracket, if you have the luck of the draw. To say, that EPS means nothing is ridiculos, when it is a a tourney with 10000€ pricepool, which is, btw. more than MLG had last year.
Each regular MLG last year had a 14k prize pool, while nationals had 120k.... MLG open brackets are known to be some of the hardest offline brackets besides the gsl code b tournaments, to say that some random online cup which people play from home over the internet means more than an offline bracket is not ridiculous it's actually retarded. Also I love how you think Ladder rankings equal skill..
On January 28 2012 20:47 Xoronius wrote: I just read, Delphi was not invited (http://www.sc2pro.de/?p=1580). The guy defeated MKP in his (mkp´s) best MU at a LAN only one month ago and you don´t invite him, but you invite guys like ThisIsJimmy, Mihai, Hawk, wbc, etc....? Really MLG?
You sure Delphi isn't going to Assembly? Cause otherwise it would be really strange not to invite him to this, considering there are a lot worse players invited.
I am not sure, if he does attend Assembly, but I am sure, that MLG did not invite him.
Did he tell you himself that he did not get an invite? what was his best placing in a tourney?
Yes, he did tell me himself, that he was not invited, look at my original post, the source is in it. His best placing result is 3rd at EPS germany. Also he won a few online-cups and got second in a few other. What is the best placing of ThisIsJimmy/Hawk/Mihai in a toruney?
Getting pretty deep in multiple open brackets at mlg, which is (imho) a lot more impressing than doing well in a competition full of germans (you know there is a reason why tlo doesn't even compete in those...) and online cups mean nothing.
you realise delphi beat mkp at hsc4 right? he's way better than any mid-tier american can ever be
oh dear plz don't use that stupid logic
The "He beats player A once, Now his better then the rest of this group".
On January 28 2012 20:47 Xoronius wrote: I just read, Delphi was not invited (http://www.sc2pro.de/?p=1580). The guy defeated MKP in his (mkp´s) best MU at a LAN only one month ago and you don´t invite him, but you invite guys like ThisIsJimmy, Mihai, Hawk, wbc, etc....? Really MLG?
You sure Delphi isn't going to Assembly? Cause otherwise it would be really strange not to invite him to this, considering there are a lot worse players invited.
I am not sure, if he does attend Assembly, but I am sure, that MLG did not invite him.
Did he tell you himself that he did not get an invite? what was his best placing in a tourney?
Yes, he did tell me himself, that he was not invited, look at my original post, the source is in it. His best placing result is 3rd at EPS germany. Also he won a few online-cups and got second in a few other. What is the best placing of ThisIsJimmy/Hawk/Mihai in a toruney?
Getting pretty deep in multiple open brackets at mlg, which is (imho) a lot more impressing than doing well in a competition full of germans (you know there is a reason why tlo doesn't even compete in those...) and online cups mean nothing.
MLG open bracket is full of mid-master NA guys, getting deep in there means nothing. Online cups are full of EU-GM, win an online-cup is probably harder then winning 5-6 rounds in an open bracket, if you have the luck of the draw. To say, that EPS means nothing is ridiculos, when it is a a tourney with 10000€ pricepool, which is, btw. more than MLG had last year.
Each regular MLG last year had a 14k prize pool, while nationals had 120k.... MLG open brackets are known to be some of the hardest offline brackets besides the gsl code b tournaments, to say that some random online cup which people play from home over the internet means more than an offline bracket is not ridiculous it's actually retarded.
You know what's actually retarded? Thinking that getting 3 rounds deep in an MLG open bracket is harder than winning an European online cup. Just because Delphi didn't get a chance to compete in any MLG last year doesn't mean he
wouldn't have done well in it. He beat MKP in HSC4 I think he definately is better than people like ThisIsJimmy, Destiny, Hawk, Spanishiwa and Mihai
On January 28 2012 20:47 Xoronius wrote: I just read, Delphi was not invited (http://www.sc2pro.de/?p=1580). The guy defeated MKP in his (mkp´s) best MU at a LAN only one month ago and you don´t invite him, but you invite guys like ThisIsJimmy, Mihai, Hawk, wbc, etc....? Really MLG?
You sure Delphi isn't going to Assembly? Cause otherwise it would be really strange not to invite him to this, considering there are a lot worse players invited.
I am not sure, if he does attend Assembly, but I am sure, that MLG did not invite him.
Did he tell you himself that he did not get an invite? what was his best placing in a tourney?
Yes, he did tell me himself, that he was not invited, look at my original post, the source is in it. His best placing result is 3rd at EPS germany. Also he won a few online-cups and got second in a few other. What is the best placing of ThisIsJimmy/Hawk/Mihai in a toruney?
Getting pretty deep in multiple open brackets at mlg, which is (imho) a lot more impressing than doing well in a competition full of germans (you know there is a reason why tlo doesn't even compete in those...) and online cups mean nothing.
you realise delphi beat mkp at hsc4 right? he's way better than any mid-tier american can ever be
oh dear plz don't use that stupid logic
The "He beats player A once, Now his better then the rest of this group".
If you'd actually watch any Delphi games at all you would know that your favorite player Destiny got NOTHING on him.
On January 28 2012 20:47 Xoronius wrote: I just read, Delphi was not invited (http://www.sc2pro.de/?p=1580). The guy defeated MKP in his (mkp´s) best MU at a LAN only one month ago and you don´t invite him, but you invite guys like ThisIsJimmy, Mihai, Hawk, wbc, etc....? Really MLG?
You sure Delphi isn't going to Assembly? Cause otherwise it would be really strange not to invite him to this, considering there are a lot worse players invited.
I am not sure, if he does attend Assembly, but I am sure, that MLG did not invite him.
Did he tell you himself that he did not get an invite? what was his best placing in a tourney?
Yes, he did tell me himself, that he was not invited, look at my original post, the source is in it. His best placing result is 3rd at EPS germany. Also he won a few online-cups and got second in a few other. What is the best placing of ThisIsJimmy/Hawk/Mihai in a toruney?
Getting pretty deep in multiple open brackets at mlg, which is (imho) a lot more impressing than doing well in a competition full of germans (you know there is a reason why tlo doesn't even compete in those...) and online cups mean nothing.
MLG open bracket is full of mid-master NA guys, getting deep in there means nothing. Online cups are full of EU-GM, win an online-cup is probably harder then winning 5-6 rounds in an open bracket, if you have the luck of the draw. To say, that EPS means nothing is ridiculos, when it is a a tourney with 10000€ pricepool, which is, btw. more than MLG had last year.
Each regular MLG last year had a 14k prize pool, while nationals had 120k.... MLG open brackets are known to be some of the hardest offline brackets besides the gsl code b tournaments, to say that some random online cup which people play from home over the internet means more than an offline bracket is not ridiculous it's actually retarded.
You know what's actually retarded? Thinking that getting 3 rounds deep in an MLG open bracket is harder than winning an European online cup. Just because Delphi didn't get a chance to compete in any MLG last year doesn't mean he wouldn't have done well in it. He beat MKP in HSC4 I think he definately is better than people like ThisIsJimmy, Destiny, Hawk, Spanishiwa and Mihai
We don't know that unless he actually plays them.
@Choboo
"Destiny beat Bomber, Puzzle, and Leenock SHIT HE MUST BE BETTER THEN THE REST OF THEM!!"
and no His not my favorite player, Bomber and Leenock have that spot.
On January 28 2012 20:47 Xoronius wrote: I just read, Delphi was not invited (http://www.sc2pro.de/?p=1580). The guy defeated MKP in his (mkp´s) best MU at a LAN only one month ago and you don´t invite him, but you invite guys like ThisIsJimmy, Mihai, Hawk, wbc, etc....? Really MLG?
You sure Delphi isn't going to Assembly? Cause otherwise it would be really strange not to invite him to this, considering there are a lot worse players invited.
I am not sure, if he does attend Assembly, but I am sure, that MLG did not invite him.
Did he tell you himself that he did not get an invite? what was his best placing in a tourney?
Yes, he did tell me himself, that he was not invited, look at my original post, the source is in it. His best placing result is 3rd at EPS germany. Also he won a few online-cups and got second in a few other. What is the best placing of ThisIsJimmy/Hawk/Mihai in a toruney?
Getting pretty deep in multiple open brackets at mlg, which is (imho) a lot more impressing than doing well in a competition full of germans (you know there is a reason why tlo doesn't even compete in those...) and online cups mean nothing.
MLG open bracket is full of mid-master NA guys, getting deep in there means nothing. Online cups are full of EU-GM, win an online-cup is probably harder then winning 5-6 rounds in an open bracket, if you have the luck of the draw. To say, that EPS means nothing is ridiculos, when it is a a tourney with 10000€ pricepool, which is, btw. more than MLG had last year.
Each regular MLG last year had a 14k prize pool, while nationals had 120k.... MLG open brackets are known to be some of the hardest offline brackets besides the gsl code b tournaments, to say that some random online cup which people play from home over the internet means more than an offline bracket is not ridiculous it's actually retarded.
You know what's actually retarded? Thinking that getting 3 rounds deep in an MLG open bracket is harder than winning an European online cup. Just because Delphi didn't get a chance to compete in any MLG last year doesn't mean he wouldn't have done well in it. He beat MKP in HSC4 I think he definately is better than people like ThisIsJimmy, Destiny, Hawk, Spanishiwa and Mihai
We don't know that unless he actually plays them.
Huk has never played Mihai so Mihai might be better than him HERPDERP
It's by no means an all-stars line up from Europe but its still by far the best European representation at an mlg. Traditionally we have a couple of liquid players and 1 or 2 random others. At least the Europeans are going to have decent numbers there for once. You can still have a pretty strong European cast from the eu qualifiers, the ones who signed up to na and naniwa/Haypro.
Na needs a solid performance. There representation has been decreasing every mlg, huk and idra really appear to be carrying the scene at present. That said it shouldn't be all doom and gloom, from what I've seen illusion looks like he's been improved heavily.
Korea is, if anything, more daunting than ever. Go white-ra.
You really think that an online cup is harder than an offline tournaments with the worlds best players competing in it? Also if you'd actually watch mlg closely you'd know that the people you mentioned did not just go in 2-3 rounds in an mlg... So he took a series of a clearly better player? Wow, you do realize how reatardetly young this game is? Just a year ago some random scrup got 3 rounds deep in a gsl by only doing marine/scv allins. Also where did MKP finish at hsc 4? Yeah right a lot higher than delphi, so to say that, even in that tournament, delphi was better than MKP is just straight up wrong, and saying that he is better in general is beyond stupid bro.
On January 28 2012 21:33 Lorch wrote: You really think that an online cup is harder than an offline tournaments with the worlds best players competing in it? Also if you'd actually watch mlg closely you'd know that the people you mentioned did not just go in 2-3 rounds in an mlg... So he took a series of a clearly better player? Wow, you do realize how reatardetly young this game is? Just a year ago some random scrup got 3 rounds deep in a gsl by only doing marine/scv allins. Also where did MKP finish at hsc 4? Yeah right a lot higher than delphi, so to say that, even in that tournament, delphi was better than MKP is just straight up wrong, and saying that he is better in general is beyond stupid bro.
If any of those players would ever make it out of the open bracket that might be impressive but just flying to every MLG isn't that impressive IMO. If Delphi would participate in every MLG do you honestly think he would do worse than ThisIsJimmy?
You sure Delphi isn't going to Assembly? Cause otherwise it would be really strange not to invite him to this, considering there are a lot worse players invited.
I am not sure, if he does attend Assembly, but I am sure, that MLG did not invite him.
Did he tell you himself that he did not get an invite? what was his best placing in a tourney?
Yes, he did tell me himself, that he was not invited, look at my original post, the source is in it. His best placing result is 3rd at EPS germany. Also he won a few online-cups and got second in a few other. What is the best placing of ThisIsJimmy/Hawk/Mihai in a toruney?
Getting pretty deep in multiple open brackets at mlg, which is (imho) a lot more impressing than doing well in a competition full of germans (you know there is a reason why tlo doesn't even compete in those...) and online cups mean nothing.
MLG open bracket is full of mid-master NA guys, getting deep in there means nothing. Online cups are full of EU-GM, win an online-cup is probably harder then winning 5-6 rounds in an open bracket, if you have the luck of the draw. To say, that EPS means nothing is ridiculos, when it is a a tourney with 10000€ pricepool, which is, btw. more than MLG had last year.
Each regular MLG last year had a 14k prize pool, while nationals had 120k.... MLG open brackets are known to be some of the hardest offline brackets besides the gsl code b tournaments, to say that some random online cup which people play from home over the internet means more than an offline bracket is not ridiculous it's actually retarded.
You know what's actually retarded? Thinking that getting 3 rounds deep in an MLG open bracket is harder than winning an European online cup. Just because Delphi didn't get a chance to compete in any MLG last year doesn't mean he wouldn't have done well in it. He beat MKP in HSC4 I think he definately is better than people like ThisIsJimmy, Destiny, Hawk, Spanishiwa and Mihai
We don't know that unless he actually plays them.
Huk has never played Mihai so Mihai might be better than him HERPDERP
Yup that's exactly what I said. If they haven't played each other the other guy must be better. /facepalm
On January 28 2012 21:33 Lorch wrote: You really think that an online cup is harder than an offline tournaments with the worlds best players competing in it? Also if you'd actually watch mlg closely you'd know that the people you mentioned did not just go in 2-3 rounds in an mlg... So he took a series of a clearly better player? Wow, you do realize how reatardetly young this game is? Just a year ago some random scrup got 3 rounds deep in a gsl by only doing marine/scv allins. Also where did MKP finish at hsc 4? Yeah right a lot higher than delphi, so to say that, even in that tournament, delphi was better than MKP is just straight up wrong, and saying that he is better in general is beyond stupid bro.
If any of those players would ever make it out of the open bracket that might be impressive but just flying to every MLG isn't that impressive IMO. If Delphi would participate in every MLG do you honestly think he would do worse than ThisIsJimmy?
Given that he'd be jetlagged and has about zero expirience in that kind of invorement (playing on the eps stage or at hsc and even playing from home is soooo much different from attending a mlg) yeah I could certainly see him finish worse than thisisjimmy, just based on brackets. Also I hope you know how stupid it is to just flame some random player you don't know much about, compare him to your favorite player who didn't get an invite, and then bitch at mlg about it. MLG probably had a really good reason for not inviting him, I doubt they based their invitations based on online cups and eps tournaments...
On January 28 2012 20:47 Xoronius wrote: I just read, Delphi was not invited (http://www.sc2pro.de/?p=1580). The guy defeated MKP in his (mkp´s) best MU at a LAN only one month ago and you don´t invite him, but you invite guys like ThisIsJimmy, Mihai, Hawk, wbc, etc....? Really MLG?
You sure Delphi isn't going to Assembly? Cause otherwise it would be really strange not to invite him to this, considering there are a lot worse players invited.
I am not sure, if he does attend Assembly, but I am sure, that MLG did not invite him.
Did he tell you himself that he did not get an invite? what was his best placing in a tourney?
Yes, he did tell me himself, that he was not invited, look at my original post, the source is in it. His best placing result is 3rd at EPS germany. Also he won a few online-cups and got second in a few other. What is the best placing of ThisIsJimmy/Hawk/Mihai in a toruney?
Getting pretty deep in multiple open brackets at mlg, which is (imho) a lot more impressing than doing well in a competition full of germans (you know there is a reason why tlo doesn't even compete in those...) and online cups mean nothing.
MLG open bracket is full of mid-master NA guys, getting deep in there means nothing. Online cups are full of EU-GM, win an online-cup is probably harder then winning 5-6 rounds in an open bracket, if you have the luck of the draw. To say, that EPS means nothing is ridiculos, when it is a a tourney with 10000€ pricepool, which is, btw. more than MLG had last year.
Each regular MLG last year had a 14k prize pool, while nationals had 120k.... MLG open brackets are known to be some of the hardest offline brackets besides the gsl code b tournaments, to say that some random online cup which people play from home over the internet means more than an offline bracket is not ridiculous it's actually retarded. Also I love how you think Ladder rankings equal skill..
14k Dollars is less then 11900 Euros. And what exactly does "they are known" mean? That someone said so on sotg? The guys, I am speaking about did have their good runs before the exange-programm. And before that, the open-bracket was in fact not that good. Before MLG Columbus every Close Combat/ Sunday-Go4SC2/Cyborg-Cup was harder than that. And that is not retardet at all, that is simply the truth, if really look at the bracket and not at the big name of the tournament.
On January 28 2012 21:33 Lorch wrote: You really think that an online cup is harder than an offline tournaments with the worlds best players competing in it? Also if you'd actually watch mlg closely you'd know that the people you mentioned did not just go in 2-3 rounds in an mlg... So he took a series of a clearly better player? Wow, you do realize how reatardetly young this game is? Just a year ago some random scrup got 3 rounds deep in a gsl by only doing marine/scv allins. Also where did MKP finish at hsc 4? Yeah right a lot higher than delphi, so to say that, even in that tournament, delphi was better than MKP is just straight up wrong, and saying that he is better in general is beyond stupid bro.
If any of those players would ever make it out of the open bracket that might be impressive but just flying to every MLG isn't that impressive IMO. If Delphi would participate in every MLG do you honestly think he would do worse than ThisIsJimmy?
What was his first LAN? how is his nerves in a large lan setting like MLG? Jimmy is a veteran, anything can happen.
On January 28 2012 21:33 Lorch wrote: You really think that an online cup is harder than an offline tournaments with the worlds best players competing in it? Also if you'd actually watch mlg closely you'd know that the people you mentioned did not just go in 2-3 rounds in an mlg... So he took a series of a clearly better player? Wow, you do realize how reatardetly young this game is? Just a year ago some random scrup got 3 rounds deep in a gsl by only doing marine/scv allins. Also where did MKP finish at hsc 4? Yeah right a lot higher than delphi, so to say that, even in that tournament, delphi was better than MKP is just straight up wrong, and saying that he is better in general is beyond stupid bro.
If any of those players would ever make it out of the open bracket that might be impressive but just flying to every MLG isn't that impressive IMO. If Delphi would participate in every MLG do you honestly think he would do worse than ThisIsJimmy?
Given that he'd be jetlagged and has about zero expirience in that kind of invorement (playing on the eps stage or at hsc and even playing from home is soooo much different from attending a mlg) yeah I could certainly see him finish worse than thisisjimmy, just based on brackets. Also I hope you know how stupid it is to just flame some random player you don't know much about, compare him to your favorite player who didn't get an invite, and then bitch at mlg about it. MLG probably had a really good reason for not inviting him, I doubt they based their invitations based on online cups and eps tournaments...
I'm not a Delphi fan I'm just sad when people think that an MLG open bracket is more stacked than an online cup.
Here's ThisIsJimmy's mlg providence run:
Beat NamespaceSTD Beat fdsdfg Beat Kyoubro Lost to Shew Lost to PainUser
On January 28 2012 21:33 Lorch wrote: You really think that an online cup is harder than an offline tournaments with the worlds best players competing in it? Also if you'd actually watch mlg closely you'd know that the people you mentioned did not just go in 2-3 rounds in an mlg... So he took a series of a clearly better player? Wow, you do realize how reatardetly young this game is? Just a year ago some random scrup got 3 rounds deep in a gsl by only doing marine/scv allins. Also where did MKP finish at hsc 4? Yeah right a lot higher than delphi, so to say that, even in that tournament, delphi was better than MKP is just straight up wrong, and saying that he is better in general is beyond stupid bro.
At which point did I say, that he is better than MKP? I am not retardet, I know that MKP is the better player, but alone the fact, that he is able to beat MKP means, that he can not be that bad. And again, read my posts, I am not speaking about the MLG´s, which included the exchange-programm, I spoke about the MLG´s before. And they did not have the best players in the world.
On January 28 2012 21:33 Lorch wrote: You really think that an online cup is harder than an offline tournaments with the worlds best players competing in it? Also if you'd actually watch mlg closely you'd know that the people you mentioned did not just go in 2-3 rounds in an mlg... So he took a series of a clearly better player? Wow, you do realize how reatardetly young this game is? Just a year ago some random scrup got 3 rounds deep in a gsl by only doing marine/scv allins. Also where did MKP finish at hsc 4? Yeah right a lot higher than delphi, so to say that, even in that tournament, delphi was better than MKP is just straight up wrong, and saying that he is better in general is beyond stupid bro.
If any of those players would ever make it out of the open bracket that might be impressive but just flying to every MLG isn't that impressive IMO. If Delphi would participate in every MLG do you honestly think he would do worse than ThisIsJimmy?
Given that he'd be jetlagged and has about zero expirience in that kind of invorement (playing on the eps stage or at hsc and even playing from home is soooo much different from attending a mlg) yeah I could certainly see him finish worse than thisisjimmy, just based on brackets. Also I hope you know how stupid it is to just flame some random player you don't know much about, compare him to your favorite player who didn't get an invite, and then bitch at mlg about it. MLG probably had a really good reason for not inviting him, I doubt they based their invitations based on online cups and eps tournaments...
I'm not a Delphi fan I'm just sad when people think that an MLG open bracket is more stacked than an online cup.
Here's ThisIsJimmy's mlg providence run:
Beat NamespaceSTD Beat fdsdfg Beat Kyoubro Lost to Shew Lost to PainUser
Sounds really impressive imo
I never talked about the quality of players I talked about the format, cups are online, mlg is offline and you seem to ignore/not care about the major difference between the two. MKP is pretty damn close to unbeatable if you let him play online, at live events he chockes a lot. MC was even in bw pretty good in practice (thus why MBC kept sending him out) but he had like a 1-10 record in PL thanks to nerves. Being able to perform online/in practice is not even close to equal to being able to perform at live events.
Also I'm not even defending players like jimmy here or calling delphi bad, I just think it's really dumb to pick some player who you think is worse than your favorite player who didn't get an invite and start comparing the two and bitch at mlg for not inviting your favorite players. The list is what it is, and if MLG felt like delphi didn't deserve an invite for whatever reason than thats what it is, that doesn't mean that you need to start bashing other players that you think of as worse. Also atleast pick some EU players because NA invites are based of totally different stats than EU invites.
On January 28 2012 21:33 Lorch wrote: You really think that an online cup is harder than an offline tournaments with the worlds best players competing in it? Also if you'd actually watch mlg closely you'd know that the people you mentioned did not just go in 2-3 rounds in an mlg... So he took a series of a clearly better player? Wow, you do realize how reatardetly young this game is? Just a year ago some random scrup got 3 rounds deep in a gsl by only doing marine/scv allins. Also where did MKP finish at hsc 4? Yeah right a lot higher than delphi, so to say that, even in that tournament, delphi was better than MKP is just straight up wrong, and saying that he is better in general is beyond stupid bro.
If any of those players would ever make it out of the open bracket that might be impressive but just flying to every MLG isn't that impressive IMO. If Delphi would participate in every MLG do you honestly think he would do worse than ThisIsJimmy?
Given that he'd be jetlagged and has about zero expirience in that kind of invorement (playing on the eps stage or at hsc and even playing from home is soooo much different from attending a mlg) yeah I could certainly see him finish worse than thisisjimmy, just based on brackets. Also I hope you know how stupid it is to just flame some random player you don't know much about, compare him to your favorite player who didn't get an invite, and then bitch at mlg about it. MLG probably had a really good reason for not inviting him, I doubt they based their invitations based on online cups and eps tournaments...
I'm not a Delphi fan I'm just sad when people think that an MLG open bracket is more stacked than an online cup.
Here's ThisIsJimmy's mlg providence run:
Beat NamespaceSTD Beat fdsdfg Beat Kyoubro Lost to Shew Lost to PainUser
Sounds really impressive imo
I never talked about the quality of players I talked about the format, cups are online, mlg is offline and you seem to ignore/not care about the major difference between the two. MKP is pretty damn close to unbeatable if you let him play online, at live events he chockes a lot. MC was even in bw pretty good in practice (thus why MBC kept sending him out) but he had like a 1-10 record in PL thanks to nerves. Being able to perform online/in practice is not even close to equal to being able to perform at live events.
Also I'm not even defending players like jimmy here or calling delphi bad, I just think it's really dumb to pick some player who you think is worse than your favorite player who didn't get an invite and start comparing the two and bitch at mlg for not inviting your favorite players. The list is what it is, and if MLG felt like delphi didn't deserve an invite for whatever reason than thats what it is, that doesn't mean that you need to start bashing other players that you think of as worse. Also atleast pick some EU players because NA invites are based of totally different stats than EU invites.
Location: Germany... You're so incredibly biased I won't even bother arguing with you anymore.
On January 28 2012 21:33 Lorch wrote: You really think that an online cup is harder than an offline tournaments with the worlds best players competing in it? Also if you'd actually watch mlg closely you'd know that the people you mentioned did not just go in 2-3 rounds in an mlg... So he took a series of a clearly better player? Wow, you do realize how reatardetly young this game is? Just a year ago some random scrup got 3 rounds deep in a gsl by only doing marine/scv allins. Also where did MKP finish at hsc 4? Yeah right a lot higher than delphi, so to say that, even in that tournament, delphi was better than MKP is just straight up wrong, and saying that he is better in general is beyond stupid bro.
If any of those players would ever make it out of the open bracket that might be impressive but just flying to every MLG isn't that impressive IMO. If Delphi would participate in every MLG do you honestly think he would do worse than ThisIsJimmy?
Given that he'd be jetlagged and has about zero expirience in that kind of invorement (playing on the eps stage or at hsc and even playing from home is soooo much different from attending a mlg) yeah I could certainly see him finish worse than thisisjimmy, just based on brackets. Also I hope you know how stupid it is to just flame some random player you don't know much about, compare him to your favorite player who didn't get an invite, and then bitch at mlg about it. MLG probably had a really good reason for not inviting him, I doubt they based their invitations based on online cups and eps tournaments...
I'm not a Delphi fan I'm just sad when people think that an MLG open bracket is more stacked than an online cup.
Here's ThisIsJimmy's mlg providence run:
Beat NamespaceSTD Beat fdsdfg Beat Kyoubro Lost to Shew Lost to PainUser
Sounds really impressive imo
I never talked about the quality of players I talked about the format, cups are online, mlg is offline and you seem to ignore/not care about the major difference between the two. MKP is pretty damn close to unbeatable if you let him play online, at live events he chockes a lot. MC was even in bw pretty good in practice (thus why MBC kept sending him out) but he had like a 1-10 record in PL thanks to nerves. Being able to perform online/in practice is not even close to equal to being able to perform at live events.
Also I'm not even defending players like jimmy here or calling delphi bad, I just think it's really dumb to pick some player who you think is worse than your favorite player who didn't get an invite and start comparing the two and bitch at mlg for not inviting your favorite players. The list is what it is, and if MLG felt like delphi didn't deserve an invite for whatever reason than thats what it is, that doesn't mean that you need to start bashing other players that you think of as worse. Also atleast pick some EU players because NA invites are based of totally different stats than EU invites.
Location: Germany... You're so incredibly biased I won't even bother arguing with you anymore.
Hopefully that's Sarcasm, What Lorch posted makes sense.
On January 28 2012 21:33 Lorch wrote: You really think that an online cup is harder than an offline tournaments with the worlds best players competing in it? Also if you'd actually watch mlg closely you'd know that the people you mentioned did not just go in 2-3 rounds in an mlg... So he took a series of a clearly better player? Wow, you do realize how reatardetly young this game is? Just a year ago some random scrup got 3 rounds deep in a gsl by only doing marine/scv allins. Also where did MKP finish at hsc 4? Yeah right a lot higher than delphi, so to say that, even in that tournament, delphi was better than MKP is just straight up wrong, and saying that he is better in general is beyond stupid bro.
If any of those players would ever make it out of the open bracket that might be impressive but just flying to every MLG isn't that impressive IMO. If Delphi would participate in every MLG do you honestly think he would do worse than ThisIsJimmy?
Given that he'd be jetlagged and has about zero expirience in that kind of invorement (playing on the eps stage or at hsc and even playing from home is soooo much different from attending a mlg) yeah I could certainly see him finish worse than thisisjimmy, just based on brackets. Also I hope you know how stupid it is to just flame some random player you don't know much about, compare him to your favorite player who didn't get an invite, and then bitch at mlg about it. MLG probably had a really good reason for not inviting him, I doubt they based their invitations based on online cups and eps tournaments...
I'm not a Delphi fan I'm just sad when people think that an MLG open bracket is more stacked than an online cup.
Here's ThisIsJimmy's mlg providence run:
Beat NamespaceSTD Beat fdsdfg Beat Kyoubro Lost to Shew Lost to PainUser
Sounds really impressive imo
I never talked about the quality of players I talked about the format, cups are online, mlg is offline and you seem to ignore/not care about the major difference between the two. MKP is pretty damn close to unbeatable if you let him play online, at live events he chockes a lot. MC was even in bw pretty good in practice (thus why MBC kept sending him out) but he had like a 1-10 record in PL thanks to nerves. Being able to perform online/in practice is not even close to equal to being able to perform at live events.
Also I'm not even defending players like jimmy here or calling delphi bad, I just think it's really dumb to pick some player who you think is worse than your favorite player who didn't get an invite and start comparing the two and bitch at mlg for not inviting your favorite players. The list is what it is, and if MLG felt like delphi didn't deserve an invite for whatever reason than thats what it is, that doesn't mean that you need to start bashing other players that you think of as worse. Also atleast pick some EU players because NA invites are based of totally different stats than EU invites.
Location: Germany... You're so incredibly biased I won't even bother arguing with you anymore.
Me being german means I'm biased when I'm not even arguing in favor of the german player? So some korean saying that a foreigner will win the next mlg is also biased? But ah well I'm just glad I don't have to argue anymore about why offline means more than online, the fact that that is even debateable makes me really sad.
On January 28 2012 21:33 Lorch wrote: You really think that an online cup is harder than an offline tournaments with the worlds best players competing in it? Also if you'd actually watch mlg closely you'd know that the people you mentioned did not just go in 2-3 rounds in an mlg... So he took a series of a clearly better player? Wow, you do realize how reatardetly young this game is? Just a year ago some random scrup got 3 rounds deep in a gsl by only doing marine/scv allins. Also where did MKP finish at hsc 4? Yeah right a lot higher than delphi, so to say that, even in that tournament, delphi was better than MKP is just straight up wrong, and saying that he is better in general is beyond stupid bro.
If any of those players would ever make it out of the open bracket that might be impressive but just flying to every MLG isn't that impressive IMO. If Delphi would participate in every MLG do you honestly think he would do worse than ThisIsJimmy?
Given that he'd be jetlagged and has about zero expirience in that kind of invorement (playing on the eps stage or at hsc and even playing from home is soooo much different from attending a mlg) yeah I could certainly see him finish worse than thisisjimmy, just based on brackets. Also I hope you know how stupid it is to just flame some random player you don't know much about, compare him to your favorite player who didn't get an invite, and then bitch at mlg about it. MLG probably had a really good reason for not inviting him, I doubt they based their invitations based on online cups and eps tournaments...
I'm not a Delphi fan I'm just sad when people think that an MLG open bracket is more stacked than an online cup.
Here's ThisIsJimmy's mlg providence run:
Beat NamespaceSTD Beat fdsdfg Beat Kyoubro Lost to Shew Lost to PainUser
Sounds really impressive imo
I never talked about the quality of players I talked about the format, cups are online, mlg is offline and you seem to ignore/not care about the major difference between the two. MKP is pretty damn close to unbeatable if you let him play online, at live events he chockes a lot. MC was even in bw pretty good in practice (thus why MBC kept sending him out) but he had like a 1-10 record in PL thanks to nerves. Being able to perform online/in practice is not even close to equal to being able to perform at live events.
Also I'm not even defending players like jimmy here or calling delphi bad, I just think it's really dumb to pick some player who you think is worse than your favorite player who didn't get an invite and start comparing the two and bitch at mlg for not inviting your favorite players. The list is what it is, and if MLG felt like delphi didn't deserve an invite for whatever reason than thats what it is, that doesn't mean that you need to start bashing other players that you think of as worse. Also atleast pick some EU players because NA invites are based of totally different stats than EU invites.
Location: Germany... You're so incredibly biased I won't even bother arguing with you anymore.
Hopefully that's Sarcasm, What Lorch posted makes sense.
To some extend it does, but the online/offline-argument is weird, because EPS-playoffs are also offline. And NA/EU beeing judged by different stats is a bit weird ,too, it shouldn´t really matter from which server the players are, skill level should be more important. And there are many european players who aren´t invited, which I consider stronger, than american players, who are invited. If you want other examples; Bly, Syz, Happyzerg, Babyknight, ... I don´t know, if they were invited and just declined, but I knew that Delphi was not invited, so I chosed him as an example.
On January 28 2012 21:33 Lorch wrote: You really think that an online cup is harder than an offline tournaments with the worlds best players competing in it? Also if you'd actually watch mlg closely you'd know that the people you mentioned did not just go in 2-3 rounds in an mlg... So he took a series of a clearly better player? Wow, you do realize how reatardetly young this game is? Just a year ago some random scrup got 3 rounds deep in a gsl by only doing marine/scv allins. Also where did MKP finish at hsc 4? Yeah right a lot higher than delphi, so to say that, even in that tournament, delphi was better than MKP is just straight up wrong, and saying that he is better in general is beyond stupid bro.
If any of those players would ever make it out of the open bracket that might be impressive but just flying to every MLG isn't that impressive IMO. If Delphi would participate in every MLG do you honestly think he would do worse than ThisIsJimmy?
Given that he'd be jetlagged and has about zero expirience in that kind of invorement (playing on the eps stage or at hsc and even playing from home is soooo much different from attending a mlg) yeah I could certainly see him finish worse than thisisjimmy, just based on brackets. Also I hope you know how stupid it is to just flame some random player you don't know much about, compare him to your favorite player who didn't get an invite, and then bitch at mlg about it. MLG probably had a really good reason for not inviting him, I doubt they based their invitations based on online cups and eps tournaments...
I'm not a Delphi fan I'm just sad when people think that an MLG open bracket is more stacked than an online cup.
Here's ThisIsJimmy's mlg providence run:
Beat NamespaceSTD Beat fdsdfg Beat Kyoubro Lost to Shew Lost to PainUser
Sounds really impressive imo
I never talked about the quality of players I talked about the format, cups are online, mlg is offline and you seem to ignore/not care about the major difference between the two. MKP is pretty damn close to unbeatable if you let him play online, at live events he chockes a lot. MC was even in bw pretty good in practice (thus why MBC kept sending him out) but he had like a 1-10 record in PL thanks to nerves. Being able to perform online/in practice is not even close to equal to being able to perform at live events.
Also I'm not even defending players like jimmy here or calling delphi bad, I just think it's really dumb to pick some player who you think is worse than your favorite player who didn't get an invite and start comparing the two and bitch at mlg for not inviting your favorite players. The list is what it is, and if MLG felt like delphi didn't deserve an invite for whatever reason than thats what it is, that doesn't mean that you need to start bashing other players that you think of as worse. Also atleast pick some EU players because NA invites are based of totally different stats than EU invites.
Location: Germany... You're so incredibly biased I won't even bother arguing with you anymore.
Hopefully that's Sarcasm, What Lorch posted makes sense.
To some extend it does, but the online/offline-argument is weird, because EPS-playoffs are also offline. And NA/EU beeing judged by different stats is a bit weird ,too, it shouldn´t really matter from which server the players are, skill level should be more important. And there are many european players who aren´t invited, which I consider stronger, than american players, who are invited. If you want other examples; Bly, Syz, Happyzerg, Babyknight, ... I don´t know, if they were invited and just declined, but I knew that Delphi was not invited, so I chosed him as an example.
Are EPS playoffs in the sickest convention center with thousands of nerds wandering a round? Are they a ~300 man competition with the biggest live audience on the continent? Nah they are a bunch of games between 8 (?) players on a decent sized stages...
MLG based their invites on perfmance in MLG and other esports competitions, those are different on every continent so obviously the standard are different. Also it's not like mlg had 139 spots they filled, they sat down looked at stats from all across the world and came up with this list. The reason why NA has the strongest showing is due to MLG being an NA tournament, KR is that strong because thats where the best players are and I also feel like MLG has a strong interest in helping the KR sc2 scene which is still struggling vs brood war.
I'm curious why SaSe decided to qualify from NA, is the difference in lag between NA>Korea still that much better than Europe>Korea or does he simply think the NA-players are easier?
On January 28 2012 22:10 Tryxtira wrote: is the difference in lag between NA>Korea still that much better than Europe>Korea or does he simply think the NA-players are easier?
On January 28 2012 22:10 Tryxtira wrote: I'm curious why SaSe decided to qualify from NA, is the difference in lag between NA>Korea still that much better than Europe>Korea or does he simply think the NA-players are easier?
Both but NA being easier is probably the biggest point here.
Also if they'd base invites of pure skill there'd be 120 koreans and 19 foreigners...
On January 28 2012 15:57 Lawliet wrote: Providence top 8 is kind of BS. most of those players were seeded and they didn't really have to do anything. Like Huk. All he did was lose, then defend some poor Cheese from Hero. Sort of same deal with naniwa who just kind of rolled over and died trying to execute the exact same build over and over again.
Or Haypro who went on a single tourney streak.
I'm not saying any of the seeded players are bad or anything but I think it's kind of retarded to seed players based on a different tourney that had a good chunk of these players already seeded high.
I guess I'm just against having seeds for this tourneyment. It's a new season, why make results from previous season so hugely important?
Ya and Incontrol and Machine last year seemed to be there just to let everyone pad their win ratios before politely knocking out one guy who makes it through the open bracket and then promptly getting eliminated -- it is a silly system but whats just how it is, eventually they will stop being ranked and have to go through open brackets too.
On January 28 2012 21:33 Lorch wrote: You really think that an online cup is harder than an offline tournaments with the worlds best players competing in it? Also if you'd actually watch mlg closely you'd know that the people you mentioned did not just go in 2-3 rounds in an mlg... So he took a series of a clearly better player? Wow, you do realize how reatardetly young this game is? Just a year ago some random scrup got 3 rounds deep in a gsl by only doing marine/scv allins. Also where did MKP finish at hsc 4? Yeah right a lot higher than delphi, so to say that, even in that tournament, delphi was better than MKP is just straight up wrong, and saying that he is better in general is beyond stupid bro.
If any of those players would ever make it out of the open bracket that might be impressive but just flying to every MLG isn't that impressive IMO. If Delphi would participate in every MLG do you honestly think he would do worse than ThisIsJimmy?
Given that he'd be jetlagged and has about zero expirience in that kind of invorement (playing on the eps stage or at hsc and even playing from home is soooo much different from attending a mlg) yeah I could certainly see him finish worse than thisisjimmy, just based on brackets. Also I hope you know how stupid it is to just flame some random player you don't know much about, compare him to your favorite player who didn't get an invite, and then bitch at mlg about it. MLG probably had a really good reason for not inviting him, I doubt they based their invitations based on online cups and eps tournaments...
I'm not a Delphi fan I'm just sad when people think that an MLG open bracket is more stacked than an online cup.
Here's ThisIsJimmy's mlg providence run:
Beat NamespaceSTD Beat fdsdfg Beat Kyoubro Lost to Shew Lost to PainUser
Sounds really impressive imo
I never talked about the quality of players I talked about the format, cups are online, mlg is offline and you seem to ignore/not care about the major difference between the two. MKP is pretty damn close to unbeatable if you let him play online, at live events he chockes a lot. MC was even in bw pretty good in practice (thus why MBC kept sending him out) but he had like a 1-10 record in PL thanks to nerves. Being able to perform online/in practice is not even close to equal to being able to perform at live events.
Also I'm not even defending players like jimmy here or calling delphi bad, I just think it's really dumb to pick some player who you think is worse than your favorite player who didn't get an invite and start comparing the two and bitch at mlg for not inviting your favorite players. The list is what it is, and if MLG felt like delphi didn't deserve an invite for whatever reason than thats what it is, that doesn't mean that you need to start bashing other players that you think of as worse. Also atleast pick some EU players because NA invites are based of totally different stats than EU invites.
Location: Germany... You're so incredibly biased I won't even bother arguing with you anymore.
Hopefully that's Sarcasm, What Lorch posted makes sense.
To some extend it does, but the online/offline-argument is weird, because EPS-playoffs are also offline. And NA/EU beeing judged by different stats is a bit weird ,too, it shouldn´t really matter from which server the players are, skill level should be more important. And there are many european players who aren´t invited, which I consider stronger, than american players, who are invited. If you want other examples; Bly, Syz, Happyzerg, Babyknight, ... I don´t know, if they were invited and just declined, but I knew that Delphi was not invited, so I chosed him as an example.
Are EPS playoffs in the sickest convention center with thousands of nerds wandering a round? Are they a ~300 man competition with the biggest live audience on the continent? Nah they are a bunch of games between 8 (?) players on a decent sized stages...
MLG based their invites on perfmance in MLG and other esports competitions, those are different on every continent so obviously the standard are different. Also it's not like mlg had 139 spots they filled, they sat down looked at stats from all across the world and came up with this list. The reason why NA has the strongest showing is due to MLG being an NA tournament, KR is that strong because thats where the best players are and I also feel like MLG has a strong interest in helping the KR sc2 scene which is still struggling vs brood war.
No, they aren´t but do you really think the environtment is so much more important than the competition? Is it really harder to beat statlife and spades (no disrespect for them, I just searched for representative players in the later rounds of MLG´s) offline, than to beat Nerchio and Kas online? I don´t think so. Plus at EPS every match can be extra-money. I don´t think, that the pressure is quite high as well (Money at MLG begins at 8th place, nobody of the mentioned ever got there).
Edit: If they focus on inviting NA-players and KR-players, although EU-players (and probably more KR-players) are better than big parts of the NA-list, then they have to know, that EU-fans will not be pleased.
On January 28 2012 22:25 NoctemSC wrote: I didn't see SelecT on this list, is he going to be competing? He's my favorite player and I haven't seen much from him in a long while.
Hmm so many good european players missing, I don't really get why when winners get travel expenses payed. Is it just that MLG didn't invite more players? if that's the case then the invites are messed up tbh.
The whole eastern Europe except Tarson, Titan, Diestar and Whitera missing, just to name some.
On January 28 2012 21:33 Lorch wrote: You really think that an online cup is harder than an offline tournaments with the worlds best players competing in it? Also if you'd actually watch mlg closely you'd know that the people you mentioned did not just go in 2-3 rounds in an mlg... So he took a series of a clearly better player? Wow, you do realize how reatardetly young this game is? Just a year ago some random scrup got 3 rounds deep in a gsl by only doing marine/scv allins. Also where did MKP finish at hsc 4? Yeah right a lot higher than delphi, so to say that, even in that tournament, delphi was better than MKP is just straight up wrong, and saying that he is better in general is beyond stupid bro.
If any of those players would ever make it out of the open bracket that might be impressive but just flying to every MLG isn't that impressive IMO. If Delphi would participate in every MLG do you honestly think he would do worse than ThisIsJimmy?
Given that he'd be jetlagged and has about zero expirience in that kind of invorement (playing on the eps stage or at hsc and even playing from home is soooo much different from attending a mlg) yeah I could certainly see him finish worse than thisisjimmy, just based on brackets. Also I hope you know how stupid it is to just flame some random player you don't know much about, compare him to your favorite player who didn't get an invite, and then bitch at mlg about it. MLG probably had a really good reason for not inviting him, I doubt they based their invitations based on online cups and eps tournaments...
I'm not a Delphi fan I'm just sad when people think that an MLG open bracket is more stacked than an online cup.
Here's ThisIsJimmy's mlg providence run:
Beat NamespaceSTD Beat fdsdfg Beat Kyoubro Lost to Shew Lost to PainUser
Sounds really impressive imo
I never talked about the quality of players I talked about the format, cups are online, mlg is offline and you seem to ignore/not care about the major difference between the two. MKP is pretty damn close to unbeatable if you let him play online, at live events he chockes a lot. MC was even in bw pretty good in practice (thus why MBC kept sending him out) but he had like a 1-10 record in PL thanks to nerves. Being able to perform online/in practice is not even close to equal to being able to perform at live events.
Also I'm not even defending players like jimmy here or calling delphi bad, I just think it's really dumb to pick some player who you think is worse than your favorite player who didn't get an invite and start comparing the two and bitch at mlg for not inviting your favorite players. The list is what it is, and if MLG felt like delphi didn't deserve an invite for whatever reason than thats what it is, that doesn't mean that you need to start bashing other players that you think of as worse. Also atleast pick some EU players because NA invites are based of totally different stats than EU invites.
Location: Germany... You're so incredibly biased I won't even bother arguing with you anymore.
Hopefully that's Sarcasm, What Lorch posted makes sense.
To some extend it does, but the online/offline-argument is weird, because EPS-playoffs are also offline. And NA/EU beeing judged by different stats is a bit weird ,too, it shouldn´t really matter from which server the players are, skill level should be more important. And there are many european players who aren´t invited, which I consider stronger, than american players, who are invited. If you want other examples; Bly, Syz, Happyzerg, Babyknight, ... I don´t know, if they were invited and just declined, but I knew that Delphi was not invited, so I chosed him as an example.
Are EPS playoffs in the sickest convention center with thousands of nerds wandering a round? Are they a ~300 man competition with the biggest live audience on the continent? Nah they are a bunch of games between 8 (?) players on a decent sized stages...
MLG based their invites on perfmance in MLG and other esports competitions, those are different on every continent so obviously the standard are different. Also it's not like mlg had 139 spots they filled, they sat down looked at stats from all across the world and came up with this list. The reason why NA has the strongest showing is due to MLG being an NA tournament, KR is that strong because thats where the best players are and I also feel like MLG has a strong interest in helping the KR sc2 scene which is still struggling vs brood war.
Edit: If they focus on inviting NA-players and KR-players, although EU-players (and probably more KR-players) are better than big parts of the NA-list, then they have to know, that EU-fans will not be pleased.
Are EU fans really gonna be displeased at there own players for not accepting the invites? FFS they have Assembly they can go to which is closer, and theres always the open bracket.
On January 28 2012 22:34 Gurgl wrote: Hmm so many good european players missing, I don't really get why when winners get travel expenses payed. Is it just that MLG didn't invite more players? if that's the case then the invites are messed up tbh.
On January 28 2012 22:34 Gurgl wrote: Hmm so many good european players missing, I don't really get why when winners get travel expenses payed. Is it just that MLG didn't invite more players? if that's the case then the invites are messed up tbh.
It is, because MLG and Assembly are at the same time and most europeans prefer Assembly.
Edit: To zaii: I am not displeased, if euro-players decline their invites. I am just displeased, if they don´t even get one. Which seems to be the case in some cases.
On January 28 2012 22:34 Gurgl wrote: Hmm so many good european players missing, I don't really get why when winners get travel expenses payed. Is it just that MLG didn't invite more players? if that's the case then the invites are messed up tbh.
It is, because MLG and Assembly are at the same time and most europeans prefer Assembly.
Edit: To zaii: I am not displeased, if euro-players decline their invites. I am just displeased, if they don´t even get one. Which seems to be the case in some cases.
Seems to be the case for one person who played in a German only lan of 8?
On January 28 2012 22:34 Gurgl wrote: Hmm so many good european players missing, I don't really get why when winners get travel expenses payed. Is it just that MLG didn't invite more players? if that's the case then the invites are messed up tbh.
It is, because MLG and Assembly are at the same time and most europeans prefer Assembly.
Edit: To zaii: I am not displeased, if euro-players decline their invites. I am just displeased, if they don´t even get one. Which seems to be the case in some cases.
Seems to be the case for one person who played in a German only lan of 8?
Seems to be the case for a 2xsemi-finalist of a tournament, which has a bigger price pool than 5 of 6 of last years MLG´s. And no, i am not thinking, that EPS would be bigger than MLG, I just demonstrate the other side of bias.
On January 28 2012 22:34 Gurgl wrote: Hmm so many good european players missing, I don't really get why when winners get travel expenses payed. Is it just that MLG didn't invite more players? if that's the case then the invites are messed up tbh.
It is, because MLG and Assembly are at the same time and most europeans prefer Assembly.
Edit: To zaii: I am not displeased, if euro-players decline their invites. I am just displeased, if they don´t even get one. Which seems to be the case in some cases.
Seems to be the case for one person who played in a German only lan of 8?
Seems to be the case for a 2xsemi-finalist of a tournament, which has a bigger price pool than 5 of 6 of last years MLG´s. And no, i am not thinking, that EPS would be bigger than MLG, I just demonstrate the other side of bias.
Have Delphi take his case to the MLG admins (John Nelson?) .
"Hey, I beat MKP 2-1 in HSC 4. Invite me." These lists aren't finalized, are they?
On January 28 2012 22:34 Gurgl wrote: Hmm so many good european players missing, I don't really get why when winners get travel expenses payed. Is it just that MLG didn't invite more players? if that's the case then the invites are messed up tbh.
It is, because MLG and Assembly are at the same time and most europeans prefer Assembly.
Edit: To zaii: I am not displeased, if euro-players decline their invites. I am just displeased, if they don´t even get one. Which seems to be the case in some cases.
Seems to be the case for one person who played in a German only lan of 8?
Seems to be the case for a 2xsemi-finalist of a tournament, which has a bigger price pool than 5 of 6 of last years MLG´s. And no, i am not thinking, that EPS would be bigger than MLG, I just demonstrate the other side of bias.
Have Delphi take his case to the MLG admins (John Nelson?) .
"Hey, I beat MKP 2-1 in HSC 4. Invite me." These lists aren't finalized, are they?
I think they are, he wrote a mail to an MLG-employee and it was said, that they couldn´t invite him for this season, but tried to do it for the next one.
Kinda new this is gonna be bad. Having assembly at the sametime as qualifier allready hurts like hell. Now add ppl that missed invite, cause MLG didnt notice them... Damn.
Looks like great invites overall. Its unfortunate that many great players couldn't attend for various reasons, but still, the line-up is trough the roof. Hopefully more EU players can qualify, we see too few good EU players consistently attend MLG, which is a shame.
On January 28 2012 21:33 Lorch wrote: You really think that an online cup is harder than an offline tournaments with the worlds best players competing in it? Also if you'd actually watch mlg closely you'd know that the people you mentioned did not just go in 2-3 rounds in an mlg... So he took a series of a clearly better player? Wow, you do realize how reatardetly young this game is? Just a year ago some random scrup got 3 rounds deep in a gsl by only doing marine/scv allins. Also where did MKP finish at hsc 4? Yeah right a lot higher than delphi, so to say that, even in that tournament, delphi was better than MKP is just straight up wrong, and saying that he is better in general is beyond stupid bro.
If any of those players would ever make it out of the open bracket that might be impressive but just flying to every MLG isn't that impressive IMO. If Delphi would participate in every MLG do you honestly think he would do worse than ThisIsJimmy?
Given that he'd be jetlagged and has about zero expirience in that kind of invorement (playing on the eps stage or at hsc and even playing from home is soooo much different from attending a mlg) yeah I could certainly see him finish worse than thisisjimmy, just based on brackets. Also I hope you know how stupid it is to just flame some random player you don't know much about, compare him to your favorite player who didn't get an invite, and then bitch at mlg about it. MLG probably had a really good reason for not inviting him, I doubt they based their invitations based on online cups and eps tournaments...
I'm not a Delphi fan I'm just sad when people think that an MLG open bracket is more stacked than an online cup.
Here's ThisIsJimmy's mlg providence run:
Beat NamespaceSTD Beat fdsdfg Beat Kyoubro Lost to Shew Lost to PainUser
Sounds really impressive imo
I never talked about the quality of players I talked about the format, cups are online, mlg is offline and you seem to ignore/not care about the major difference between the two. MKP is pretty damn close to unbeatable if you let him play online, at live events he chockes a lot. MC was even in bw pretty good in practice (thus why MBC kept sending him out) but he had like a 1-10 record in PL thanks to nerves. Being able to perform online/in practice is not even close to equal to being able to perform at live events.
Also I'm not even defending players like jimmy here or calling delphi bad, I just think it's really dumb to pick some player who you think is worse than your favorite player who didn't get an invite and start comparing the two and bitch at mlg for not inviting your favorite players. The list is what it is, and if MLG felt like delphi didn't deserve an invite for whatever reason than thats what it is, that doesn't mean that you need to start bashing other players that you think of as worse. Also atleast pick some EU players because NA invites are based of totally different stats than EU invites.
Location: Germany... You're so incredibly biased I won't even bother arguing with you anymore.
Me being german means I'm biased when I'm not even arguing in favor of the german player? So some korean saying that a foreigner will win the next mlg is also biased? But ah well I'm just glad I don't have to argue anymore about why offline means more than online, the fact that that is even debateable makes me really sad.
the fact, that ur arguing on this level makes me sad. Instead of blaming the crappy overall system of the "invites", you start an argument why X player is better than y, and why he should have been invited. There are like 10 users before saying that NOT making this qualifiers open to all is just just ridiculous. And even MLG agrees.
What i dont understand, if everyone agrees on that matter is, why they dont change the format? I mean for a professional organization it cant be that hard to switch from a closed to an open qualifier in those remaining days. IMHO they still have not learnt the lession from last year, and still want the same old (well.known) ppl again and again. Probably they think its more profit that way.
With Stephano, Nerchio and Mana missing, my interest in following this event dropped a lot. They are definitely top 5 foreigner players and also some of the very few who did well vs koreans in past.
People thought that Assembly got screwed by this schedule conflict ... not true. I can only hope that MLG won't ignore the other big events next time they schedule their online qualifiers.
I'm going to do everyone a favour and go through the entire NA list and explain where people are having issues:
Slush- Fine. He's managed to take at least a few wins in recent MLGs Kiwikai- Fine. He beat Stephano and performed well at the beginning of last year as well. Rain- Obviously fine. Sheth- Fine. Solid player with consistent results. Incontrol- No. This guy does not deserve to be invited. I love Incontrol on SotG, but he only did well in like 1 MLG and it was the one at which the level of competition was very low. I know well over 15 unknown players that are 3-0+ against Incontrol on ladder. I don't know why MLG keeps riding on his results from a year ago. Again, no personal hatred against him; he's great for the community but doesn't deserve this invite. Machine- Maybe. Hasn't won anything against anyone notable in a long time, but did manage to get a win or two at recent MLGs. On the edge of qualification. Drewbie- Fine. He won an open bracket fairly recently. Tyler- I'm probably going to take a lot of flak for saying that if Tyler wasn't "known" there's absolutely no way he'd get this spot. He got eliminated from the open bracket at the last MLG after a string of bottom finishes in his group. Again, Sc2 icon and a cool guy, but I don't think he's competitive right now. KR- Fine. Vibe- Meh. Demuslim- Fine. Sase- Fine. Trimaster- Fine; beat Idra at MLG awhile ago. QXC- Fine. Artist- Fine. Mihai- No. Essentially no accomplishments since MLG Dallas. DDoro- Fine. Illusion- Fine. Agh- No idea why he's being invited. ThisisJimmy- No. Again, making it to the third round in the open bracket and being somewhat popular on youtube does not a top-tier player make. WBC- Fine. DDE- Yeah, okay. OptikZero- Dunno; basically know nothing about him. State- Probably on the edge. Inori- Fine. LzGamer- No. Guy hasn't done anything recently and got knocked out of the open bracket. Has literally not won anything in the longest time. KingSpades- Rofl,I think this guy is overrated but I guess inviting underdogs is okay. Hawk- Lol, no. Gowswer- Yeah. Axslav- Meh. No results. Ostojiy- Okay. Attero- Don't get this one. I guess he's a popular streamer? Morrow- Okay. Naama- Fine. Stalife- God no. Catz- Fine. TT1- Fine. Killer- Fine. Minigun- I guess?
I hope I've managed to hit most of the players that people have trouble seeing as having anything but a massive longshot at even getting top 10 in this tournament.
On January 29 2012 01:37 Shiori wrote: I'm going to do everyone a favour and go through the entire NA list and explain where people are having issues:
Slush- Fine. He's managed to take at least a few wins in recent MLGs Kiwikai- Fine. He beat Stephano and performed well at the beginning of last year as well. Rain- Obviously fine. Sheth- Fine. Solid player with consistent results. Incontrol- No. This guy does not deserve to be invited. I love Incontrol on SotG, but he only did well in like 1 MLG and it was the one at which the level of competition was very low. I know well over 15 unknown players that are 3-0+ against Incontrol on ladder. I don't know why MLG keeps riding on his results from a year ago. Again, no personal hatred against him; he's great for the community but doesn't deserve this invite. Machine- Maybe. Hasn't won anything against anyone notable in a long time, but did manage to get a win or two at recent MLGs. On the edge of qualification. Drewbie- Fine. He won an open bracket fairly recently. Tyler- I'm probably going to take a lot of flak for saying that if Tyler wasn't "known" there's absolutely no way he'd get this spot. He got eliminated from the open bracket at the last MLG after a string of bottom finishes in his group. Again, Sc2 icon and a cool guy, but I don't think he's competitive right now. KR- Fine. Vibe- Meh. Demuslim- Fine. Sase- Fine. Trimaster- Fine; beat Idra at MLG awhile ago. QXC- Fine. Artist- Fine. Mihai- No. Essentially no accomplishments since MLG Dallas. DDoro- Fine. Illusion- Fine. Agh- No idea why he's being invited. ThisisJimmy- No. Again, making it to the third round in the open bracket and being somewhat popular on youtube does not a top-tier player make. WBC- Fine. DDE- Yeah, okay. OptikZero- Dunno; basically know nothing about him. State- Probably on the edge. Inori- Fine. LzGamer- No. Guy hasn't done anything recently and got knocked out of the open bracket. Has literally not won anything in the longest time. KingSpades- Rofl,I think this guy is overrated but I guess inviting underdogs is okay. Hawk- Lol, no. Gowswer- Yeah. Axslav- Meh. No results. Ostojiy- Okay. Attero- Don't get this one. I guess he's a popular streamer? Morrow- Okay. Naama- Fine. Stalife- God no. Catz- Fine. TT1- Fine. Killer- Fine. Minigun- I guess?
I hope I've managed to hit most of the players that people have trouble seeing as having anything but a massive longshot at even getting top 10 in this tournament.
Do everyone a favour? You mean, you just want to insult players (with questionable interpretation). If that makes you happy... Let MLG do what they want. It's not like they made something horrible wrong that we need to complain about. It's just pointless arguable "pontly shittering" (ok, i guess that saying doesn't work in english...)
I'm going to do everyone a favour and go through the entire NA list and explain where people are having issues:
Slush- Fine. He's managed to take at least a few wins in recent MLGs Kiwikai- Fine. He beat Stephano and performed well at the beginning of last year as well. Rain- Obviously fine. Sheth- Fine. Solid player with consistent results. Incontrol- No. This guy does not deserve to be invited. I love Incontrol on SotG, but he only did well in like 1 MLG and it was the one at which the level of competition was very low. I know well over 15 unknown players that are 3-0+ against Incontrol on ladder. I don't know why MLG keeps riding on his results from a year ago. Again, no personal hatred against him; he's great for the community but doesn't deserve this invite. Machine- Maybe. Hasn't won anything against anyone notable in a long time, but did manage to get a win or two at recent MLGs. On the edge of qualification. Drewbie- Fine. He won an open bracket fairly recently. Tyler- I'm probably going to take a lot of flak for saying that if Tyler wasn't "known" there's absolutely no way he'd get this spot. He got eliminated from the open bracket at the last MLG after a string of bottom finishes in his group. Again, Sc2 icon and a cool guy, but I don't think he's competitive right now. KR- Fine. Vibe- Meh. Demuslim- Fine. Sase- Fine. Trimaster- Fine; beat Idra at MLG awhile ago. QXC- Fine. Artist- Fine. Mihai- No. Essentially no accomplishments since MLG Dallas. DDoro- Fine. Illusion- Fine. Agh- No idea why he's being invited. ThisisJimmy- No. Again, making it to the third round in the open bracket and being somewhat popular on youtube does not a top-tier player make. WBC- Fine. DDE- Yeah, okay. OptikZero- Dunno; basically know nothing about him. State- Probably on the edge. Inori- Fine. LzGamer- No. Guy hasn't done anything recently and got knocked out of the open bracket. Has literally not won anything in the longest time. KingSpades- Rofl,I think this guy is overrated but I guess inviting underdogs is okay. Hawk- Lol, no. Gowswer- Yeah. Axslav- Meh. No results. Ostojiy- Okay. Attero- Don't get this one. I guess he's a popular streamer? Morrow- Okay. Naama- Fine. Stalife- God no. Catz- Fine. TT1- Fine. Killer- Fine. Minigun- I guess?
I hope I've managed to hit most of the players that people have trouble seeing as having anything but a massive longshot at even getting top 10 in this tournament.
just out of curiosity, when you keep saying 'dunno why _____ is getting invited' who would you invite instead? Ok not all of them are amazing players, but there arent enough players to have a tournament of only amazing players - unless its like a 10 man tournament or something
also youre stupid for saying ok to trimaster just cos he beat idra at an mlg a while ago. At that time, incontrol would take games off idra all the time in practice, and yet this guy beating idra once is enough to get him invited, but incontrol doesnt deserve it?
so glad axslavs there, hope he qualifies hes an awesome player
On January 29 2012 01:37 Shiori wrote: I'm going to do everyone a favour and go through the entire NA list and explain where people are having issues:
Slush- Fine. He's managed to take at least a few wins in recent MLGs Kiwikai- Fine. He beat Stephano and performed well at the beginning of last year as well. Rain- Obviously fine. Sheth- Fine. Solid player with consistent results. Incontrol- No. This guy does not deserve to be invited. I love Incontrol on SotG, but he only did well in like 1 MLG and it was the one at which the level of competition was very low. I know well over 15 unknown players that are 3-0+ against Incontrol on ladder. I don't know why MLG keeps riding on his results from a year ago. Again, no personal hatred against him; he's great for the community but doesn't deserve this invite. Machine- Maybe. Hasn't won anything against anyone notable in a long time, but did manage to get a win or two at recent MLGs. On the edge of qualification. Drewbie- Fine. He won an open bracket fairly recently. Tyler- I'm probably going to take a lot of flak for saying that if Tyler wasn't "known" there's absolutely no way he'd get this spot. He got eliminated from the open bracket at the last MLG after a string of bottom finishes in his group. Again, Sc2 icon and a cool guy, but I don't think he's competitive right now. KR- Fine. Vibe- Meh. Demuslim- Fine. Sase- Fine. Trimaster- Fine; beat Idra at MLG awhile ago. QXC- Fine. Artist- Fine. Mihai- No. Essentially no accomplishments since MLG Dallas. DDoro- Fine. Illusion- Fine. Agh- No idea why he's being invited. ThisisJimmy- No. Again, making it to the third round in the open bracket and being somewhat popular on youtube does not a top-tier player make. WBC- Fine. DDE- Yeah, okay. OptikZero- Dunno; basically know nothing about him. State- Probably on the edge. Inori- Fine. LzGamer- No. Guy hasn't done anything recently and got knocked out of the open bracket. Has literally not won anything in the longest time. KingSpades- Rofl,I think this guy is overrated but I guess inviting underdogs is okay. Hawk- Lol, no. Gowswer- Yeah. Axslav- Meh. No results. Ostojiy- Okay. Attero- Don't get this one. I guess he's a popular streamer? Morrow- Okay. Naama- Fine. Stalife- God no. Catz- Fine. TT1- Fine. Killer- Fine. Minigun- I guess?
I hope I've managed to hit most of the players that people have trouble seeing as having anything but a massive longshot at even getting top 10 in this tournament.
In some areas you're right, but it doesn't compensate how wrong you are in so many. Attero is not just a popular streamer, do your homework.
WBC as well, a bit more than just "fine" thisisjimmy got to championship bracket and defeated major opponents at Anaheim. Again, you look silly now.
On January 29 2012 01:37 Shiori wrote: I'm going to do everyone a favour and go through the entire NA list and explain where people are having issues:
Slush- Fine. He's managed to take at least a few wins in recent MLGs Kiwikai- Fine. He beat Stephano and performed well at the beginning of last year as well. Rain- Obviously fine. Sheth- Fine. Solid player with consistent results. Incontrol- No. This guy does not deserve to be invited. I love Incontrol on SotG, but he only did well in like 1 MLG and it was the one at which the level of competition was very low. I know well over 15 unknown players that are 3-0+ against Incontrol on ladder. I don't know why MLG keeps riding on his results from a year ago. Again, no personal hatred against him; he's great for the community but doesn't deserve this invite. Machine- Maybe. Hasn't won anything against anyone notable in a long time, but did manage to get a win or two at recent MLGs. On the edge of qualification. Drewbie- Fine. He won an open bracket fairly recently. Tyler- I'm probably going to take a lot of flak for saying that if Tyler wasn't "known" there's absolutely no way he'd get this spot. He got eliminated from the open bracket at the last MLG after a string of bottom finishes in his group. Again, Sc2 icon and a cool guy, but I don't think he's competitive right now. KR- Fine. Vibe- Meh. Demuslim- Fine. Sase- Fine. Trimaster- Fine; beat Idra at MLG awhile ago. QXC- Fine. Artist- Fine. Mihai- No. Essentially no accomplishments since MLG Dallas. DDoro- Fine. Illusion- Fine. Agh- No idea why he's being invited. ThisisJimmy- No. Again, making it to the third round in the open bracket and being somewhat popular on youtube does not a top-tier player make. WBC- Fine. DDE- Yeah, okay. OptikZero- Dunno; basically know nothing about him. State- Probably on the edge. Inori- Fine. LzGamer- No. Guy hasn't done anything recently and got knocked out of the open bracket. Has literally not won anything in the longest time. KingSpades- Rofl,I think this guy is overrated but I guess inviting underdogs is okay. Hawk- Lol, no. Gowswer- Yeah. Axslav- Meh. No results. Ostojiy- Okay. Attero- Don't get this one. I guess he's a popular streamer? Morrow- Okay. Naama- Fine. Stalife- God no. Catz- Fine. TT1- Fine. Killer- Fine. Minigun- I guess?
I hope I've managed to hit most of the players that people have trouble seeing as having anything but a massive longshot at even getting top 10 in this tournament.
On January 29 2012 01:37 Shiori wrote: I'm going to do everyone a favour and go through the entire NA list and explain where people are having issues:
Slush- Fine. He's managed to take at least a few wins in recent MLGs Kiwikai- Fine. He beat Stephano and performed well at the beginning of last year as well. Rain- Obviously fine. Sheth- Fine. Solid player with consistent results. Incontrol- No. This guy does not deserve to be invited. I love Incontrol on SotG, but he only did well in like 1 MLG and it was the one at which the level of competition was very low. I know well over 15 unknown players that are 3-0+ against Incontrol on ladder. I don't know why MLG keeps riding on his results from a year ago. Again, no personal hatred against him; he's great for the community but doesn't deserve this invite. Machine- Maybe. Hasn't won anything against anyone notable in a long time, but did manage to get a win or two at recent MLGs. On the edge of qualification. Drewbie- Fine. He won an open bracket fairly recently. Tyler- I'm probably going to take a lot of flak for saying that if Tyler wasn't "known" there's absolutely no way he'd get this spot. He got eliminated from the open bracket at the last MLG after a string of bottom finishes in his group. Again, Sc2 icon and a cool guy, but I don't think he's competitive right now. KR- Fine. Vibe- Meh. Demuslim- Fine. Sase- Fine. Trimaster- Fine; beat Idra at MLG awhile ago. QXC- Fine. Artist- Fine. Mihai- No. Essentially no accomplishments since MLG Dallas. DDoro- Fine. Illusion- Fine. Agh- No idea why he's being invited. ThisisJimmy- No. Again, making it to the third round in the open bracket and being somewhat popular on youtube does not a top-tier player make. WBC- Fine. DDE- Yeah, okay. OptikZero- Dunno; basically know nothing about him. State- Probably on the edge. Inori- Fine. LzGamer- No. Guy hasn't done anything recently and got knocked out of the open bracket. Has literally not won anything in the longest time. KingSpades- Rofl,I think this guy is overrated but I guess inviting underdogs is okay. Hawk- Lol, no. Gowswer- Yeah. Axslav- Meh. No results. Ostojiy- Okay. Attero- Don't get this one. I guess he's a popular streamer? Morrow- Okay. Naama- Fine. Stalife- God no. Catz- Fine. TT1- Fine. Killer- Fine. Minigun- I guess?
I hope I've managed to hit most of the players that people have trouble seeing as having anything but a massive longshot at even getting top 10 in this tournament.
In some areas you're right, but it doesn't compensate how wrong you are in so many. Attero is not just a popular streamer, do your homework.
WBC as well, a bit more than just "fine" thisisjimmy got to championship bracket and defeated major opponents at Anaheim. Again, you look silly now.
I used "fine" in the literal sense of the word, as in, I have no problem with that player being there. Again, I'm not insulting players by saying that I don't think they're competitive enough to be there.
TIJ got to the championship bracket where he proceeded to beat Attero 2-1 and then get 2-0'd by Tyler. The only notable player he beat along the way was WBC, as far as I can tell.
I'm trying to point out the grievous problems with forgoing an open qualifier: namely that you're inviting people whose only MLG results have ranged from winning the loser's bracket to getting mildly deep.
But I mean, I'd actually prefer to invite players like TIJ, Attero, and underdogs who have actually had to fight through the open bracket instead of people like LZ/Inc/Tyler who just seem to keep getting seeded. I want MLG to invite players who are in their prime NOW or RECENTLY, not players who did okay a year ago. See the problem?
On January 29 2012 02:18 Valashu wrote: Missing Stephano.
Also, some of these players are from other continents (Demuslim being from the UK for example) and does the team decide what who they play for?
No, the players can decide, from which server they want to play. And because NA is probably the easiest, a few euros (Morrow, Sase, Naama, Demuslim) try to qualify from there.
On January 29 2012 01:37 Shiori wrote: I'm going to do everyone a favour and go through the entire NA list and explain where people are having issues:
Slush- Fine. He's managed to take at least a few wins in recent MLGs Kiwikai- Fine. He beat Stephano and performed well at the beginning of last year as well. Rain- Obviously fine.
On January 29 2012 01:37 Shiori wrote: I'm going to do everyone a favour and go through the entire NA list and explain where people are having issues:
Slush- Fine. He's managed to take at least a few wins in recent MLGs Kiwikai- Fine. He beat Stephano and performed well at the beginning of last year as well. Rain- Obviously fine.
Kiwikaki didn't beat stephano, he lost 2-1
Yes, I'm well aware of that. But he was competitive against Stephano, widely considered one of the better players at the time.
I don't mind the presence of lesser known players, it's good opportunity to make a name for themselves. I wish good luck to them. The only thing I'm a bit upset with is the relatively low amount of EU players.
On January 29 2012 02:06 Shiori wrote: I used "fine" in the literal sense of the word, as in, I have no problem with that player being there. Again, I'm not insulting players by saying that I don't think they're competitive enough to be there.
TIJ got to the championship bracket where he proceeded to beat Attero 2-1 and then get 2-0'd by Tyler. The only notable player he beat along the way was WBC, as far as I can tell.
I'm trying to point out the grievous problems with forgoing an open qualifier: namely that you're inviting people whose only MLG results have ranged from winning the loser's bracket to getting mildly deep.
But I mean, I'd actually prefer to invite players like TIJ, Attero, and underdogs who have actually had to fight through the open bracket instead of people like LZ/Inc/Tyler who just seem to keep getting seeded. I want MLG to invite players who are in their prime NOW or RECENTLY, not players who did okay a year ago. See the problem?
One thing I hate about MLG is that its really a GSL with a somewhat different format when it comes down to it. Only top koreans and foreigners will perform well and there is a shitton of people which could be replaced by other people. Also sucks that its same time as ASUS ROG. Not too hyped, if anything its another opportunity to see some koreans but really MLG stopped being something special for me. Not trying to flame; trying to be constructive. Generally there are some things which are nigh impossible to solve, like, for example that EU players will not go because flight cost/time is super high. If MLG did HSC qualifier format it would have players such as Stephano, MaNa or Nerchio.
On January 29 2012 02:06 Shiori wrote: I used "fine" in the literal sense of the word, as in, I have no problem with that player being there. Again, I'm not insulting players by saying that I don't think they're competitive enough to be there.
TIJ got to the championship bracket where he proceeded to beat Attero 2-1 and then get 2-0'd by Tyler. The only notable player he beat along the way was WBC, as far as I can tell.
I'm trying to point out the grievous problems with forgoing an open qualifier: namely that you're inviting people whose only MLG results have ranged from winning the loser's bracket to getting mildly deep.
But I mean, I'd actually prefer to invite players like TIJ, Attero, and underdogs who have actually had to fight through the open bracket instead of people like LZ/Inc/Tyler who just seem to keep getting seeded. I want MLG to invite players who are in their prime NOW or RECENTLY, not players who did okay a year ago. See the problem?
The only things I'll have to disagree is that saying "lol no" to Hawk (who did pretty damn well at Anaheim), and saying that State is "on the edge" is totally off because anyone who knows anything about NA knows he's gotten really good and is probably a top 3 NA Protoss now (seriously).
There are also some people who I don't think are "Fine", but I don't want to insult them. If I could name any other players that are missing from NA that aren't attending Assembly I would, but there's not that many I can think of.
On January 29 2012 02:35 QNdie wrote: One thing I hate about MLG is that its really a GSL with a somewhat different format when it comes down to it. Only top koreans and foreigners will perform well and there is a shitton of people which could be replaced by other people. Also sucks that its same time as ASUS ROG. Not too hyped, if anything its another opportunity to see some koreans but really MLG stopped being something special for me. Not trying to flame; trying to be constructive. Generally there are some things which are nigh impossible to solve, like, for example that EU players will not go because flight cost/time is super high. If MLG did HSC qualifier format it would have players such as Stephano, MaNa or Nerchio.
Read the beginning of the thread again. They said that the Top 8 of each region get their trip paid and maybe even their stay (whatever they mean with all expenses).
On January 29 2012 02:35 QNdie wrote: One thing I hate about MLG is that its really a GSL with a somewhat different format when it comes down to it. Only top koreans and foreigners will perform well and there is a shitton of people which could be replaced by other people. Also sucks that its same time as ASUS ROG. Not too hyped, if anything its another opportunity to see some koreans but really MLG stopped being something special for me. Not trying to flame; trying to be constructive. Generally there are some things which are nigh impossible to solve, like, for example that EU players will not go because flight cost/time is super high. If MLG did HSC qualifier format it would have players such as Stephano, MaNa or Nerchio.
How hard is it to read the first post in the thread?
I'm going to do everyone a favour and go through the entire NA list and explain where people are having issues:
Slush- Fine. He's managed to take at least a few wins in recent MLGs Kiwikai- Fine. He beat Stephano and performed well at the beginning of last year as well. Rain- Obviously fine. Sheth- Fine. Solid player with consistent results. Incontrol- No. This guy does not deserve to be invited. I love Incontrol on SotG, but he only did well in like 1 MLG and it was the one at which the level of competition was very low. I know well over 15 unknown players that are 3-0+ against Incontrol on ladder. I don't know why MLG keeps riding on his results from a year ago. Again, no personal hatred against him; he's great for the community but doesn't deserve this invite. Machine- Maybe. Hasn't won anything against anyone notable in a long time, but did manage to get a win or two at recent MLGs. On the edge of qualification. Drewbie- Fine. He won an open bracket fairly recently. Tyler- I'm probably going to take a lot of flak for saying that if Tyler wasn't "known" there's absolutely no way he'd get this spot. He got eliminated from the open bracket at the last MLG after a string of bottom finishes in his group. Again, Sc2 icon and a cool guy, but I don't think he's competitive right now. KR- Fine. Vibe- Meh. Demuslim- Fine. Sase- Fine. Trimaster- Fine; beat Idra at MLG awhile ago. QXC- Fine. Artist- Fine. Mihai- No. Essentially no accomplishments since MLG Dallas. DDoro- Fine. Illusion- Fine. Agh- No idea why he's being invited. ThisisJimmy- No. Again, making it to the third round in the open bracket and being somewhat popular on youtube does not a top-tier player make. WBC- Fine. DDE- Yeah, okay. OptikZero- Dunno; basically know nothing about him. State- Probably on the edge. Inori- Fine. LzGamer- No. Guy hasn't done anything recently and got knocked out of the open bracket. Has literally not won anything in the longest time. KingSpades- Rofl,I think this guy is overrated but I guess inviting underdogs is okay. Hawk- Lol, no. Gowswer- Yeah. Axslav- Meh. No results. Ostojiy- Okay. Attero- Don't get this one. I guess he's a popular streamer? Morrow- Okay. Naama- Fine. Stalife- God no. Catz- Fine. TT1- Fine. Killer- Fine. Minigun- I guess?
I hope I've managed to hit most of the players that people have trouble seeing as having anything but a massive longshot at even getting top 10 in this tournament.
just out of curiosity, when you keep saying 'dunno why _____ is getting invited' who would you invite instead? Ok not all of them are amazing players, but there arent enough players to have a tournament of only amazing players - unless its like a 10 man tournament or something
Well, seeing how few EU players are in the qualifiers, I'm sure that if you really know the scene, there are a bunch of players from Europe, many of whom are much better than some of the NA players and some who are at least equally skilled as them, you could invite instead of filling up the spots with some of the players Shiori listed.
And that's when there are not even the 139 spots filled like they originally announced, so it has to hurt the players even more if they didn't get an invite.
On January 29 2012 02:06 Shiori wrote: I used "fine" in the literal sense of the word, as in, I have no problem with that player being there. Again, I'm not insulting players by saying that I don't think they're competitive enough to be there.
TIJ got to the championship bracket where he proceeded to beat Attero 2-1 and then get 2-0'd by Tyler. The only notable player he beat along the way was WBC, as far as I can tell.
I'm trying to point out the grievous problems with forgoing an open qualifier: namely that you're inviting people whose only MLG results have ranged from winning the loser's bracket to getting mildly deep.
But I mean, I'd actually prefer to invite players like TIJ, Attero, and underdogs who have actually had to fight through the open bracket instead of people like LZ/Inc/Tyler who just seem to keep getting seeded. I want MLG to invite players who are in their prime NOW or RECENTLY, not players who did okay a year ago. See the problem?
No, you haven't been watching MLG's very much. Tyler has not been doing ok a year ago, he fought his way through one of the open brackets at an MLG, and has also beaten some good players in the championship brackets.
On January 29 2012 02:06 Shiori wrote: I used "fine" in the literal sense of the word, as in, I have no problem with that player being there. Again, I'm not insulting players by saying that I don't think they're competitive enough to be there.
TIJ got to the championship bracket where he proceeded to beat Attero 2-1 and then get 2-0'd by Tyler. The only notable player he beat along the way was WBC, as far as I can tell.
I'm trying to point out the grievous problems with forgoing an open qualifier: namely that you're inviting people whose only MLG results have ranged from winning the loser's bracket to getting mildly deep.
But I mean, I'd actually prefer to invite players like TIJ, Attero, and underdogs who have actually had to fight through the open bracket instead of people like LZ/Inc/Tyler who just seem to keep getting seeded. I want MLG to invite players who are in their prime NOW or RECENTLY, not players who did okay a year ago. See the problem?
No, you haven't been watching MLG's very much. Tyler has not been doing ok a year ago, he fought his way through one of the open brackets at an MLG, and has also beaten some good players in the championship brackets.
Where? The only open bracket I see him making it out of was at Raleigh. Everywhere else in the group stages I'm seeing 0-5.
On January 29 2012 02:06 Shiori wrote: I used "fine" in the literal sense of the word, as in, I have no problem with that player being there. Again, I'm not insulting players by saying that I don't think they're competitive enough to be there.
TIJ got to the championship bracket where he proceeded to beat Attero 2-1 and then get 2-0'd by Tyler. The only notable player he beat along the way was WBC, as far as I can tell.
I'm trying to point out the grievous problems with forgoing an open qualifier: namely that you're inviting people whose only MLG results have ranged from winning the loser's bracket to getting mildly deep.
But I mean, I'd actually prefer to invite players like TIJ, Attero, and underdogs who have actually had to fight through the open bracket instead of people like LZ/Inc/Tyler who just seem to keep getting seeded. I want MLG to invite players who are in their prime NOW or RECENTLY, not players who did okay a year ago. See the problem?
Minigun is the best player in NA so you're crazy
If you think Minigun is the best player in NA, you are crazy. What did Minigun do to make him the best player in NA? If so, where's his accomplishments? Just because he's popular streamer and plays with Catz and few top NA player doesn't make him the best player.
On January 29 2012 02:06 Shiori wrote: I used "fine" in the literal sense of the word, as in, I have no problem with that player being there. Again, I'm not insulting players by saying that I don't think they're competitive enough to be there.
TIJ got to the championship bracket where he proceeded to beat Attero 2-1 and then get 2-0'd by Tyler. The only notable player he beat along the way was WBC, as far as I can tell.
I'm trying to point out the grievous problems with forgoing an open qualifier: namely that you're inviting people whose only MLG results have ranged from winning the loser's bracket to getting mildly deep.
But I mean, I'd actually prefer to invite players like TIJ, Attero, and underdogs who have actually had to fight through the open bracket instead of people like LZ/Inc/Tyler who just seem to keep getting seeded. I want MLG to invite players who are in their prime NOW or RECENTLY, not players who did okay a year ago. See the problem?
Minigun is the best player in NA so you're crazy
If you think Minigun is the best player in NA, you are crazy. What did Minigun do to make him the best player in NA? If so, where's his accomplishments? Just because he's popular streamer and plays with Catz and few top NA player doesn't make him the best player.
Who's better than him? Maybe DeMusliM but I don't think anyone else on the NA ladder is better.
On January 29 2012 02:06 Shiori wrote: I used "fine" in the literal sense of the word, as in, I have no problem with that player being there. Again, I'm not insulting players by saying that I don't think they're competitive enough to be there.
TIJ got to the championship bracket where he proceeded to beat Attero 2-1 and then get 2-0'd by Tyler. The only notable player he beat along the way was WBC, as far as I can tell.
I'm trying to point out the grievous problems with forgoing an open qualifier: namely that you're inviting people whose only MLG results have ranged from winning the loser's bracket to getting mildly deep.
But I mean, I'd actually prefer to invite players like TIJ, Attero, and underdogs who have actually had to fight through the open bracket instead of people like LZ/Inc/Tyler who just seem to keep getting seeded. I want MLG to invite players who are in their prime NOW or RECENTLY, not players who did okay a year ago. See the problem?
Minigun is the best player in NA so you're crazy
If you think Minigun is the best player in NA, you are crazy. What did Minigun do to make him the best player in NA? If so, where's his accomplishments? Just because he's popular streamer and plays with Catz and few top NA player doesn't make him the best player.
Who's better than him? Maybe DeMusliM but I don't think anyone else on the NA ladder is better.
I just want to clarify some things in regards to Elfi and Nerchio not going. Nerchio has semester exams first off and second off isn't very interested in travelling to the US right now. Elfi on the other hand will be playing at Assembly. Otherwise they would've both been on the list. Don't blame MLG
On January 29 2012 02:06 Shiori wrote: I used "fine" in the literal sense of the word, as in, I have no problem with that player being there. Again, I'm not insulting players by saying that I don't think they're competitive enough to be there.
TIJ got to the championship bracket where he proceeded to beat Attero 2-1 and then get 2-0'd by Tyler. The only notable player he beat along the way was WBC, as far as I can tell.
I'm trying to point out the grievous problems with forgoing an open qualifier: namely that you're inviting people whose only MLG results have ranged from winning the loser's bracket to getting mildly deep.
But I mean, I'd actually prefer to invite players like TIJ, Attero, and underdogs who have actually had to fight through the open bracket instead of people like LZ/Inc/Tyler who just seem to keep getting seeded. I want MLG to invite players who are in their prime NOW or RECENTLY, not players who did okay a year ago. See the problem?
No, you haven't been watching MLG's very much. Tyler has not been doing ok a year ago, he fought his way through one of the open brackets at an MLG, and has also beaten some good players in the championship brackets.
Where? The only open bracket I see him making it out of was at Raleigh. Everywhere else in the group stages I'm seeing 0-5.
On January 29 2012 02:06 Shiori wrote: I used "fine" in the literal sense of the word, as in, I have no problem with that player being there. Again, I'm not insulting players by saying that I don't think they're competitive enough to be there.
TIJ got to the championship bracket where he proceeded to beat Attero 2-1 and then get 2-0'd by Tyler. The only notable player he beat along the way was WBC, as far as I can tell.
I'm trying to point out the grievous problems with forgoing an open qualifier: namely that you're inviting people whose only MLG results have ranged from winning the loser's bracket to getting mildly deep.
But I mean, I'd actually prefer to invite players like TIJ, Attero, and underdogs who have actually had to fight through the open bracket instead of people like LZ/Inc/Tyler who just seem to keep getting seeded. I want MLG to invite players who are in their prime NOW or RECENTLY, not players who did okay a year ago. See the problem?
Minigun is the best player in NA so you're crazy
If you think Minigun is the best player in NA, you are crazy. What did Minigun do to make him the best player in NA? If so, where's his accomplishments? Just because he's popular streamer and plays with Catz and few top NA player doesn't make him the best player.
Who's better than him? Maybe DeMusliM but I don't think anyone else on the NA ladder is better.
Can't tell if serious...
Obvious trolls are obvious.
That being said, Shiori, while I can understand what you are saying, it just makes sense to invite players like LZ, inc, and Tyler. Will they win, probably not, will they bring a lot of viewers, hell ya. I am not saying that is a great reason to do it, but at the same time they are a buisness. On the other hand, they are all proven programers who have been in the scene for a long time. It is clear that they are not in their prime right now, but they are all proven to be able to be top class players. This could be the tournament where one of the shows that.
All that being said, I would like to see some more underdogs to be able to make their name, I am really hoping trimaster makes a big splash, he was noticed for a second, but he needs to show consistancy.
Eh? Great list but I'm missing a lot of big names. Stephano? Hero? Dimaga? SeleCT? DongRaeGu? Mana? (Where has Mana even disappeared to; I haven't seen any of him since IPL 3!) Where are you guys...and no Destiny? o.o If Incontrol's there I'd expect Destiny to be there too...
Oh well. Here's hoping at least Kiwikaki and Inori get through for NA. That's all I need to make me happy~
On January 29 2012 02:06 Shiori wrote: I used "fine" in the literal sense of the word, as in, I have no problem with that player being there. Again, I'm not insulting players by saying that I don't think they're competitive enough to be there.
TIJ got to the championship bracket where he proceeded to beat Attero 2-1 and then get 2-0'd by Tyler. The only notable player he beat along the way was WBC, as far as I can tell.
I'm trying to point out the grievous problems with forgoing an open qualifier: namely that you're inviting people whose only MLG results have ranged from winning the loser's bracket to getting mildly deep.
But I mean, I'd actually prefer to invite players like TIJ, Attero, and underdogs who have actually had to fight through the open bracket instead of people like LZ/Inc/Tyler who just seem to keep getting seeded. I want MLG to invite players who are in their prime NOW or RECENTLY, not players who did okay a year ago. See the problem?
What did Catz accomplish lately? He didn't stand a chance vs Qxc or Kiwikaki who are not top players anymore themselves lately.
Not sure why people are asking about this or that player. Almost all of those players are already confirmed for Assembly which takes place at the same time. The ones confirmed for Assembly are:
On January 29 2012 02:06 Shiori wrote: I used "fine" in the literal sense of the word, as in, I have no problem with that player being there. Again, I'm not insulting players by saying that I don't think they're competitive enough to be there.
TIJ got to the championship bracket where he proceeded to beat Attero 2-1 and then get 2-0'd by Tyler. The only notable player he beat along the way was WBC, as far as I can tell.
I'm trying to point out the grievous problems with forgoing an open qualifier: namely that you're inviting people whose only MLG results have ranged from winning the loser's bracket to getting mildly deep.
But I mean, I'd actually prefer to invite players like TIJ, Attero, and underdogs who have actually had to fight through the open bracket instead of people like LZ/Inc/Tyler who just seem to keep getting seeded. I want MLG to invite players who are in their prime NOW or RECENTLY, not players who did okay a year ago. See the problem?
Minigun is the best player in NA so you're crazy
If you think Minigun is the best player in NA, you are crazy. What did Minigun do to make him the best player in NA? If so, where's his accomplishments? Just because he's popular streamer and plays with Catz and few top NA player doesn't make him the best player.
Who's better than him? Maybe DeMusliM but I don't think anyone else on the NA ladder is better.
On January 29 2012 02:06 Shiori wrote: I used "fine" in the literal sense of the word, as in, I have no problem with that player being there. Again, I'm not insulting players by saying that I don't think they're competitive enough to be there.
TIJ got to the championship bracket where he proceeded to beat Attero 2-1 and then get 2-0'd by Tyler. The only notable player he beat along the way was WBC, as far as I can tell.
I'm trying to point out the grievous problems with forgoing an open qualifier: namely that you're inviting people whose only MLG results have ranged from winning the loser's bracket to getting mildly deep.
But I mean, I'd actually prefer to invite players like TIJ, Attero, and underdogs who have actually had to fight through the open bracket instead of people like LZ/Inc/Tyler who just seem to keep getting seeded. I want MLG to invite players who are in their prime NOW or RECENTLY, not players who did okay a year ago. See the problem?
Minigun is the best player in NA so you're crazy
If you think Minigun is the best player in NA, you are crazy. What did Minigun do to make him the best player in NA? If so, where's his accomplishments? Just because he's popular streamer and plays with Catz and few top NA player doesn't make him the best player.
Who's better than him? Maybe DeMusliM but I don't think anyone else on the NA ladder is better.
You kidding right?
DDE, Illusion, Gatored just to name a few
Idra, Huk - if you are counting Americans outside Korea. Sheth, if you are counting Americans inside America Select, Violet, Rain, and Ret if you are counting people living inside of America.
On January 28 2012 07:18 _DarkArchon_ wrote: Stephano, MaNa, Dimaga, Nerchio all missing? Instead from Europe we have Bigs, Pomi, Welmu, Xlord... ... ...
I think people are missing a couple of points by MLG, and this qualifier in general.
First off, they are only doing a qualifier because they don't have enough time to do a proper open bracket, in the future they will change it up.(MLG employee said this earlier in the thread.) Hopefully in the future they do a full open bracket qualifier, and if we bitch about it enough we may get what we want!
Second off, its not like they said, hey lets invite 139 of the top people. They went through everyone they could think of and invited them and it happened to end up at 139. Could they have invited more? Probably. Should they have? Maybe. You can argue that someone like Delphi should have had the choice to come, but don't try to say that certain people didn't deserve the invite, if anything it should have just been a ton of more people.
And third, this isn't the invited list for the finals. This is a qualifier for a chance of a expenses paid for trip and pool play opportunity. If any of these players don't deserve that chance, they will be smashed. If one of the "not ok" players makes it into top 8, than obviously they deserved the chance. Again, complain that MLG may have missed certain players, don't complain that they invited players. A bigger qualifier is ALWAYS better if your not limited by time.
On January 29 2012 03:52 OmiDeLta wrote: Eh? Great list but I'm missing a lot of big names. Stephano? Hero? Dimaga? SeleCT? DongRaeGu? Mana? (Where has Mana even disappeared to; I haven't seen any of him since IPL 3!) Where are you guys...and no Destiny? o.o If Incontrol's there I'd expect Destiny to be there too...
Oh well. Here's hoping at least Kiwikaki and Inori get through for NA. That's all I need to make me happy~
Reread the OP...
DRG is already qualified for winter classic. Everyone else you mentioned (besides destiny) will be at Assembly ASUS ROG.
On January 28 2012 07:16 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: WhiteRa choosing Korean because why the fuck not he's a total baller.
These lists are like wow.
Just another reason to have mad respect for WhiteRa =D
MLGs really are going to be the highest level tournament in the world soon, if it weren't for assembly I bet basically the top 50 players in the world would be represented by these qualifiers.
On January 28 2012 08:23 TheDougler wrote: And don't give me that "He's American" crap, we called dibs on HuK from day one of beta! :p
I know if you Canadians had it your way, you'd wipe the fact from the face of the earth that HuK is also American. It must be unfortunate for you that even if you call "dibs", he's still American. And considering Canada is in North AMERICA, he's still American that way as well. You can't win. Give up.
On January 28 2012 08:23 TheDougler wrote: And don't give me that "He's American" crap, we called dibs on HuK from day one of beta! :p
I know if you Canadians had it your way, you'd wipe the fact from the face of the earth that HuK is also American. It must be unfortunate for you that even if you call "dibs", he's still American. And considering Canada is in North AMERICA, he's still American that way as well. You can't win. Give up.
People need to get over this he has said multiple times he considers himself Canadian. On interview he even talks that way he says so himself he represents Canada, besides Huks father is Canadian his mother is American therefore by birth he is Canadian since he comes from his fathers side he said so himself. Besides men are 10x women.
I have a feeling a lot of these weren't invited which would be pretty bad after JP said that everyone who was 'worth inviting' was invited. You can't have invitation only qualifiers for pool play if you don't know about all the players. We are going to have lesser players competing for pool play seeding while better players only have the open bracket. This is the exact same problem as last season, just in different form.
On January 29 2012 05:58 TheHansBecker wrote: It's funny how this thread has turned into people searching for some sort of controversy/drama, such as "I have a feeling MLG forgot X player!!! oh noes!!" I'm sure MLG did all their diligent work, and the people who are not attending and who should be, have other engagements so they declined the invitation.
We already have confirmation that delphi and perfect weren't even invited. I'm not searching for a controversy. I am trying to draw criticism to the invite-only qualifiers because I don't think it should be used in the future.
On January 29 2012 06:20 Chriscras wrote: Everyone knows there is still an OPEN BRACKET right??
This is actually all just for better seeds at the Championship tournament. All the players not attending will still have an opportunity to WIN THE SEASON if they so desire
Yes, but these are qualifiers for pool play. If we assume the structure is anything like last year, pool play is a big advantage. We can have less skilled players competing for a pool play advantage because they were invited based off of old results while better players have to struggle through the open bracket. It hurts the quality of the competition. This is the exact same problem everyone had with pool play last year. I am not worried about the results of this set up. If it works out beautifully or it is a complete disaster, my criticism will be the same.
Assuming they are more open in the future (which I think sundance mentioned on reddit), then everything is good. I just want to give the concern a voice so we can be sure to catch it if it happens again.
This is actually all just for better seeds at the Championship tournament. All the players not attending (and those who fail to qualify) will still have an opportunity to WIN THE SEASON if they so desire
On January 29 2012 08:33 Hetairoi wrote: Do we know if the qualifiers will be casted/broadcasted and if so by who?
Well JP dropped on SotG that he was moving to New York for one month. That seems to coincide with this event, and he also said that SoTG would be airing on Tuesdays at 10:30 eastern again. For me that implies that qualifiers will be broadcast on Weeknights at 7PM. I would expect a Sunday/Monday-Thursday casting schedule.
Obviously this is just me connecting dots, but that seems pretty reasonable.
YEAH THORZAIN!!! Hope the Ginosaji Terran can make it to MLG, even though he says its organized weird and there are no chairs to sit on. Oh well. HF. THORZAIN SLÅSS!
On January 28 2012 10:00 MLG_Adam wrote: For all the people saying Koreans are going to dominate...you realize that only 8 Koreans will come out of the Korean qualifier, right? 8 Koreans, 8 Europeans, 8 North Americans, 4 pre seeded Foreigners from Providence, and 4 pre seeded Korean players from Providence. By my count that is 20 Foreigners and 12 Koreans, and all of the players should be top tier after running their respective gauntlets.
So much negativity ! This is why they play the actual games people. Victors are never crowned on paper.
I hope you faint that you're fooling. Because if you don't it's actually mind blowing that you believe that top koreans aren't going to dominate hardcore second rank foreigners. The korean qualifier will be way harder than the event itself and 12 koreans is more than enough to fill the top 10 if anything, even if all the top foreigners were attending.
On January 29 2012 14:08 Angel_ wrote: am i the only one that wishes the korean qualifier WAS the whole tournament and that it was all casted?
Well, it's gonna be better in term of quality, and there are a few foreigners to get a bit of storyline for those who don't like to watch all-korean tournaments. Sadly it won't be the case :'(.
On January 29 2012 02:06 Shiori wrote: I used "fine" in the literal sense of the word, as in, I have no problem with that player being there. Again, I'm not insulting players by saying that I don't think they're competitive enough to be there.
TIJ got to the championship bracket where he proceeded to beat Attero 2-1 and then get 2-0'd by Tyler. The only notable player he beat along the way was WBC, as far as I can tell.
I'm trying to point out the grievous problems with forgoing an open qualifier: namely that you're inviting people whose only MLG results have ranged from winning the loser's bracket to getting mildly deep.
But I mean, I'd actually prefer to invite players like TIJ, Attero, and underdogs who have actually had to fight through the open bracket instead of people like LZ/Inc/Tyler who just seem to keep getting seeded. I want MLG to invite players who are in their prime NOW or RECENTLY, not players who did okay a year ago. See the problem?
The only things I'll have to disagree is that saying "lol no" to Hawk (who did pretty damn well at Anaheim), and saying that State is "on the edge" is totally off because anyone who knows anything about NA knows he's gotten really good and is probably a top 3 NA Protoss now (seriously).
There are also some people who I don't think are "Fine", but I don't want to insult them. If I could name any other players that are missing from NA that aren't attending Assembly I would, but there's not that many I can think of.
I'll agree with that, well, actually maybe top five: HuK, Gatored, Kiwikaki, TT1 then State.
Also, Agh isn't awefull either in relation to other north americans.
On January 29 2012 20:27 SnakeQ wrote: HAHAHAHAHHAHA.... MLG totaly failed. Why the fuck they are keeping their online qualification at the same time as Assembly
hahaha....stupid americans xD
Probably not the smartest way to present your first post...
...anyway, bracket's looking sweet, although where's Stephano? :o
On January 29 2012 20:27 SnakeQ wrote: HAHAHAHAHHAHA.... MLG totaly failed. Why the fuck they are keeping their online qualification at the same time as Assembly
hahaha....stupid americans xD
Cause they knew that when they planned this. Stupid you are
On January 29 2012 20:27 SnakeQ wrote: HAHAHAHAHHAHA.... MLG totaly failed. Why the fuck they are keeping their online qualification at the same time as Assembly
hahaha....stupid americans xD
One could say that Assembly failed, and scheduled the same time as MLG quaifier. Most likely is due to lack of communication, which us really unfourtunate.
On January 29 2012 20:27 SnakeQ wrote: HAHAHAHAHHAHA.... MLG totaly failed. Why the fuck they are keeping their online qualification at the same time as Assembly
hahaha....stupid americans xD
Can't tell if you are an American trying to make the EU look bad or your just an EU person that's scared to post on there main.
On January 29 2012 20:27 SnakeQ wrote: HAHAHAHAHHAHA.... MLG totaly failed. Why the fuck they are keeping their online qualification at the same time as Assembly
hahaha....stupid americans xD
Well if u forget the "americans" i agree with him. I dont rly get it :o
On January 29 2012 20:27 SnakeQ wrote: HAHAHAHAHHAHA.... MLG totaly failed. Why the fuck they are keeping their online qualification at the same time as Assembly
On January 29 2012 21:53 WigglingSquid wrote: White-Ra running in the Korean qualifiers? So baller. (Or plain mad, if those games are scheduled to be played in SK while he stays in Europe.)
It could be an indication that he might be going to SK?
On January 29 2012 20:27 SnakeQ wrote: HAHAHAHAHHAHA.... MLG totaly failed. Why the fuck they are keeping their online qualification at the same time as Assembly
hahaha....stupid americans xD
not the best way to put it, but yeah.. it's a shame 2 majors are on the same time, not a cool move by MLG.
On January 29 2012 20:27 SnakeQ wrote: HAHAHAHAHHAHA.... MLG totaly failed. Why the fuck they are keeping their online qualification at the same time as Assembly
hahaha....stupid americans xD
Probably not the smartest way to present your first post...
...anyway, bracket's looking sweet, although where's Stephano? :o
Some players are not attending because they are attending Assembly, the times conflict and people pick the better chance at winning.
On January 30 2012 01:06 Eee wrote: "aTnDelphi didnt get invite -_-;;" - Socces twitter.
Just saying again, looks like MLG messed up big time with the EU scene.
Delphi deserves a qualifier invite sure but he probably wouldn't have actually qualified. The only person to blame really is the EU players who declined their invites because they wanted easier chance at money at Assembly where they wouldn't get destroyed by 12 Code S players.
On January 30 2012 01:17 Insomni7 wrote: Is violet playing SC2? he is listed in the EU qualifiers and links to the profile of BW violet not SC2 violet, or is this a mistake?
Mistake 99.9%, often times they just use TLPD and aren't sure which one they're using. Since BW Violet came before SC2 Violet it automatically takes BW Violet if you dont right click and select SC2 ofc.
I'm going to do everyone a favour and go through the entire NA list and explain where people are having issues:
Slush- Fine. He's managed to take at least a few wins in recent MLGs Kiwikai- Fine. He beat Stephano and performed well at the beginning of last year as well. Rain- Obviously fine. Sheth- Fine. Solid player with consistent results. Incontrol- No. This guy does not deserve to be invited. I love Incontrol on SotG, but he only did well in like 1 MLG and it was the one at which the level of competition was very low. I know well over 15 unknown players that are 3-0+ against Incontrol on ladder. I don't know why MLG keeps riding on his results from a year ago. Again, no personal hatred against him; he's great for the community but doesn't deserve this invite. Machine- Maybe. Hasn't won anything against anyone notable in a long time, but did manage to get a win or two at recent MLGs. On the edge of qualification. Drewbie- Fine. He won an open bracket fairly recently. Tyler- I'm probably going to take a lot of flak for saying that if Tyler wasn't "known" there's absolutely no way he'd get this spot. He got eliminated from the open bracket at the last MLG after a string of bottom finishes in his group. Again, Sc2 icon and a cool guy, but I don't think he's competitive right now. KR- Fine. Vibe- Meh. Demuslim- Fine. Sase- Fine. Trimaster- Fine; beat Idra at MLG awhile ago. QXC- Fine. Artist- Fine. Mihai- No. Essentially no accomplishments since MLG Dallas. DDoro- Fine. Illusion- Fine. Agh- No idea why he's being invited. ThisisJimmy- No. Again, making it to the third round in the open bracket and being somewhat popular on youtube does not a top-tier player make. WBC- Fine. DDE- Yeah, okay. OptikZero- Dunno; basically know nothing about him. State- Probably on the edge. Inori- Fine. LzGamer- No. Guy hasn't done anything recently and got knocked out of the open bracket. Has literally not won anything in the longest time. KingSpades- Rofl,I think this guy is overrated but I guess inviting underdogs is okay. Hawk- Lol, no. Gowswer- Yeah. Axslav- Meh. No results. Ostojiy- Okay. Attero- Don't get this one. I guess he's a popular streamer? Morrow- Okay. Naama- Fine. Stalife- God no. Catz- Fine. TT1- Fine. Killer- Fine. Minigun- I guess?
I hope I've managed to hit most of the players that people have trouble seeing as having anything but a massive longshot at even getting top 10 in this tournament.
Why are DDE and MorroW "okay" and not fine? I'm glad you are not doing MLG invites.
On January 30 2012 01:06 Eee wrote: "aTnDelphi didnt get invite -_-;;" - Socces twitter.
Just saying again, looks like MLG messed up big time with the EU scene.
Delphi deserves a qualifier invite sure but he probably wouldn't have actually qualified. The only person to blame really is the EU players who declined their invites because they wanted easier chance at money at Assembly where they wouldn't get destroyed by 12 Code S players.
WHy would you blame players srsly ? If events weren t at the same time im sure they would have played in both ... There is to blame MLG and only MLG :<
On January 29 2012 20:27 SnakeQ wrote: HAHAHAHAHHAHA.... MLG totaly failed. Why the fuck they are keeping their online qualification at the same time as Assembly
hahaha....stupid americans xD
One could say that Assembly failed, and scheduled the same time as MLG quaifier. Most likely is due to lack of communication, which us really unfourtunate.
No, one could not. Assembly has been planned for almost a year, the MLG qualifiers have not. MLG and only MLG fucked up.
On January 30 2012 01:06 Eee wrote: "aTnDelphi didnt get invite -_-;;" - Socces twitter.
Just saying again, looks like MLG messed up big time with the EU scene.
Delphi deserves a qualifier invite sure but he probably wouldn't have actually qualified. The only person to blame really is the EU players who declined their invites because they wanted easier chance at money at Assembly where they wouldn't get destroyed by 12 Code S players.
Assembly is a 32 player event, not all of them are europeans and there are most likely more players that should have been invited that arent going to Assembly.
On January 30 2012 01:06 Eee wrote: "aTnDelphi didnt get invite -_-;;" - Socces twitter.
Just saying again, looks like MLG messed up big time with the EU scene.
Delphi deserves a qualifier invite sure but he probably wouldn't have actually qualified. The only person to blame really is the EU players who declined their invites because they wanted easier chance at money at Assembly where they wouldn't get destroyed by 12 Code S players.
WHy would you blame players srsly ? If events weren t at the same time im sure they would have played in both ... There is to blame MLG and only MLG :<
I don't think MLG really cares. MLG is clearly the superior event so the effect on viewers will be minimal for them.
On January 30 2012 01:06 Eee wrote: "aTnDelphi didnt get invite -_-;;" - Socces twitter.
Just saying again, looks like MLG messed up big time with the EU scene.
Delphi deserves a qualifier invite sure but he probably wouldn't have actually qualified. The only person to blame really is the EU players who declined their invites because they wanted easier chance at money at Assembly where they wouldn't get destroyed by 12 Code S players.
Assembly is a 32 player event, not all of them are europeans and there are most likely more players that should have been invited that arent going to Assembly.
On January 30 2012 01:06 Eee wrote: "aTnDelphi didnt get invite -_-;;" - Socces twitter.
Just saying again, looks like MLG messed up big time with the EU scene.
Delphi deserves a qualifier invite sure but he probably wouldn't have actually qualified. The only person to blame really is the EU players who declined their invites because they wanted easier chance at money at Assembly where they wouldn't get destroyed by 12 Code S players.
Assembly is a 32 player event, not all of them are europeans and there are most likely more players that should have been invited that arent going to Assembly.
20 or so will be Europeans.
There's more than 20 (more than 40 as well) good Europeans
On January 30 2012 01:06 Eee wrote: "aTnDelphi didnt get invite -_-;;" - Socces twitter.
Just saying again, looks like MLG messed up big time with the EU scene.
Delphi deserves a qualifier invite sure but he probably wouldn't have actually qualified. The only person to blame really is the EU players who declined their invites because they wanted easier chance at money at Assembly where they wouldn't get destroyed by 12 Code S players.
WHy would you blame players srsly ? If events weren t at the same time im sure they would have played in both ... There is to blame MLG and only MLG :<
Are you "sure"? How many EU players showed up for the MLGs last year that did not have conflicting dates? I'd guess, though I'm not certain, that often the costs of travel and hotels are prohibitive for EU teams to pay for, compared to the relative difficulty of placing in the money at MLGs. Granted, now that MLG is paying for their rooms and flights--which is awesome, by the way, and not a factor that we should diminish by complaining about something we can't change--we will hopefully see more EU participation in the future.
As long as we're playing the futile blame game, I think it's fair to say that both MLG and Assembly planned their venues out long in advance. Not to mention, other factors that go into the creation of a schedule for a massive event of this undertaking such as storage, transport, and HR logistics. I'm not familiar with the entire process--and I'd venture, confidently, to say that neither are you, nor are the vast majority of the people in this thread--but I think that it's a more complex issue than people are making it seem.
To everyone complaining: suck it up. Constructive criticism is good, but "lolz mlG relly screwed this 1 up everyone" is not helpful or fun to read.
On January 30 2012 01:06 Eee wrote: "aTnDelphi didnt get invite -_-;;" - Socces twitter.
Just saying again, looks like MLG messed up big time with the EU scene.
Delphi deserves a qualifier invite sure but he probably wouldn't have actually qualified. The only person to blame really is the EU players who declined their invites because they wanted easier chance at money at Assembly where they wouldn't get destroyed by 12 Code S players.
Assembly is a 32 player event, not all of them are europeans and there are most likely more players that should have been invited that arent going to Assembly.
20 or so will be Europeans.
There's more than 20 (more than 40 as well) good Europeans
That very much depends on your definition of good.
On January 30 2012 01:06 Eee wrote: "aTnDelphi didnt get invite -_-;;" - Socces twitter.
Just saying again, looks like MLG messed up big time with the EU scene.
Delphi deserves a qualifier invite sure but he probably wouldn't have actually qualified. The only person to blame really is the EU players who declined their invites because they wanted easier chance at money at Assembly where they wouldn't get destroyed by 12 Code S players.
Assembly is a 32 player event, not all of them are europeans and there are most likely more players that should have been invited that arent going to Assembly.
20 or so will be Europeans.
There's more than 20 (more than 40 as well) good Europeans
That very much depends on your definition of good.
Compared to the NA invites, they are good. (If u dont count Sheth, Illusion, Kawaii, Demu, Kiwikaki, Slush even most Semi-pros from sweden are better than those players).
The NA qualifier level is just a joke ... too hard for ToD and white-ra to korea :/ and i don't understand why Morrow is to the NA list ? he try this qualifier from korea ?
On January 30 2012 03:34 djdukes wrote: Polt is down for assembly and MLG. So hows that work out? If he can do both why cant these other guys?
He won't. He'll either be at Assembly and get through qualifiers, be at Assembly and fail to make it through qualifiers, or make it through qualifiers and be at MLG Winter Arena.
I'm going to do everyone a favour and go through the entire NA list and explain where people are having issues:
Slush- Fine. He's managed to take at least a few wins in recent MLGs Kiwikai- Fine. He beat Stephano and performed well at the beginning of last year as well. Rain- Obviously fine. Sheth- Fine. Solid player with consistent results. Incontrol- No. This guy does not deserve to be invited. I love Incontrol on SotG, but he only did well in like 1 MLG and it was the one at which the level of competition was very low. I know well over 15 unknown players that are 3-0+ against Incontrol on ladder. I don't know why MLG keeps riding on his results from a year ago. Again, no personal hatred against him; he's great for the community but doesn't deserve this invite. Machine- Maybe. Hasn't won anything against anyone notable in a long time, but did manage to get a win or two at recent MLGs. On the edge of qualification. Drewbie- Fine. He won an open bracket fairly recently. Tyler- I'm probably going to take a lot of flak for saying that if Tyler wasn't "known" there's absolutely no way he'd get this spot. He got eliminated from the open bracket at the last MLG after a string of bottom finishes in his group. Again, Sc2 icon and a cool guy, but I don't think he's competitive right now. KR- Fine. Vibe- Meh. Demuslim- Fine. Sase- Fine. Trimaster- Fine; beat Idra at MLG awhile ago. QXC- Fine. Artist- Fine. Mihai- No. Essentially no accomplishments since MLG Dallas. DDoro- Fine. Illusion- Fine. Agh- No idea why he's being invited. ThisisJimmy- No. Again, making it to the third round in the open bracket and being somewhat popular on youtube does not a top-tier player make. WBC- Fine. DDE- Yeah, okay. OptikZero- Dunno; basically know nothing about him. State- Probably on the edge. Inori- Fine. LzGamer- No. Guy hasn't done anything recently and got knocked out of the open bracket. Has literally not won anything in the longest time. KingSpades- Rofl,I think this guy is overrated but I guess inviting underdogs is okay. Hawk- Lol, no. Gowswer- Yeah. Axslav- Meh. No results. Ostojiy- Okay. Attero- Don't get this one. I guess he's a popular streamer? Morrow- Okay. Naama- Fine. Stalife- God no. Catz- Fine. TT1- Fine. Killer- Fine. Minigun- I guess?
I hope I've managed to hit most of the players that people have trouble seeing as having anything but a massive longshot at even getting top 10 in this tournament.
Why are DDE and MorroW "okay" and not fine? I'm glad you are not doing MLG invites.
i got yeah, okay i guess its something between okay and fine :DDD
MLG doesn't really need to bring in the big name euro's. It's the north americans and Koreans that are going to bring spectators to their events. ESL has the monopoly in Europe anyways so they're probably not as worried about breaking into that market, MLG is more about expanding their brand than expanding e-sports in general.
On January 30 2012 05:53 ProBot wrote: MLG doesn't really need to bring in the big name euro's. It's the north americans and Koreans that are going to bring spectators to their events. ESL has the monopoly in Europe anyways so they're probably not as worried about breaking into that market, MLG is more about expanding their brand than expanding e-sports in general.
yeah but a qualifier with north americans and koreans will just end up with only koreans which will turn off the spectators sadly
On January 30 2012 05:53 ProBot wrote: MLG doesn't really need to bring in the big name euro's. It's the north americans and Koreans that are going to bring spectators to their events. ESL has the monopoly in Europe anyways so they're probably not as worried about breaking into that market, MLG is more about expanding their brand than expanding e-sports in general.
yeah but a qualifier with north americans and koreans will just end up with only koreans which will turn off the spectators sadly
no, regardless idra and huk will be there near the end, which definitely won't 'turn off the specators'
For me personally...beeing a big fanboy of EU zergs its a bit sad that they wont attend the tourney.... all though Im pretty sure that wont affect the ratings a single bit.....seems to me that US tourneys that include Idra and/or Huk + koreans is enough to draw a big crowd..... But it looks really grim for the foreign players.....seems almost every Code S player is gonna pay a visit.....and the top 10 (maybe even 15) will probably be korean IMO....
On January 30 2012 06:15 stormchaser wrote: The map list for the winter qualifiers has also been released. Link is somewhere on mlg site, can't find it now though x.x
Shattered and xel have been removed, as well as all gold minerals.
Someone tell Naniwa, we don't need a repeat of last year's "I don't know what map I'm playing on so I will pause the game, take a piss and watch the replay of the unfinished game to reveal my opponents strategy".
On January 30 2012 06:15 stormchaser wrote: The map list for the winter qualifiers has also been released. Link is somewhere on mlg site, can't find it now though x.x
Shattered and xel have been removed, as well as all gold minerals.
Someone tell Naniwa, we don't need a repeat of last year's "I don't know what map I'm playing on so I will pause the game, take a piss and watch the replay of the unfinished game to reveal my opponents strategy".
The stat screen had already showed the build so it didnt really matter.
On January 30 2012 06:15 stormchaser wrote: The map list for the winter qualifiers has also been released. Link is somewhere on mlg site, can't find it now though x.x
Shattered and xel have been removed, as well as all gold minerals.
Someone tell Naniwa, we don't need a repeat of last year's "I don't know what map I'm playing on so I will pause the game, take a piss and watch the replay of the unfinished game to reveal my opponents strategy".
The stat screen had already showed the build so it didnt really matter.
Doesn't MLG use "ghost maps"?
Anyway. . .for those complaining about certain invites, I suggest you don't forget that, if MLG were truly to only invite the best players, you'd see at least 95% Koreans. MLG obviously has to appeal to various fanbases and that's fine.
On January 30 2012 06:15 stormchaser wrote: The map list for the winter qualifiers has also been released. Link is somewhere on mlg site, can't find it now though x.x
Shattered and xel have been removed, as well as all gold minerals.
Someone tell Naniwa, we don't need a repeat of last year's "I don't know what map I'm playing on so I will pause the game, take a piss and watch the replay of the unfinished game to reveal my opponents strategy".
The stat screen had already showed the build so it didnt really matter.
Doesn't MLG use "ghost maps"?
Anyway. . .for those complaining about certain invites, I suggest you don't forget that, if MLG were truly to only invite the best players, you'd see at least 95% Koreans. MLG obviously has to appeal to various fanbases and that's fine.
Not sure, but that's what the mlg folks said on TL during the drama.
This list looks AMAZING though i really really want HerO to qualify. Such a boss player, hopefully if he doesn't make Code S this time around he can qualify through MLG :D
On January 29 2012 01:37 Shiori wrote: I'm going to do everyone a favour and go through the entire NA list and explain where people are having issues:
ThisisJimmy- No. Again, making it to the third round in the open bracket and being somewhat popular on youtube does not a top-tier player make.
I hope I've managed to hit most of the players that people have trouble seeing as having anything but a massive longshot at even getting top 10 in this tournament.
You don't know what you're talking about here.
ThisIsJimmy made it the Championship bracket before and consistently makes good runs through the open bracket. He's the 3rd best player on Check Six (after WinDy and Sleep).
On January 29 2012 02:06 Shiori wrote: I used "fine" in the literal sense of the word, as in, I have no problem with that player being there. Again, I'm not insulting players by saying that I don't think they're competitive enough to be there.
TIJ got to the championship bracket where he proceeded to beat Attero 2-1 and then get 2-0'd by Tyler. The only notable player he beat along the way was WBC, as far as I can tell.
I'm trying to point out the grievous problems with forgoing an open qualifier: namely that you're inviting people whose only MLG results have ranged from winning the loser's bracket to getting mildly deep.
But I mean, I'd actually prefer to invite players like TIJ, Attero, and underdogs who have actually had to fight through the open bracket instead of people like LZ/Inc/Tyler who just seem to keep getting seeded. I want MLG to invite players who are in their prime NOW or RECENTLY, not players who did okay a year ago. See the problem?
Minigun is the best player in NA so you're crazy
If you think Minigun is the best player in NA, you are crazy. What did Minigun do to make him the best player in NA? If so, where's his accomplishments? Just because he's popular streamer and plays with Catz and few top NA player doesn't make him the best player.
Well....if you even cared about Minigun at all, you would know he has a health problem that keeps him in a lot of pain. So, it's not my business to talk about that, but this is a big reason he doesn't go to any tournaments. He's trying to resolve it, and plans on going to events this if his health is good. So just listen to me and just agree that he really is the best player in NA.
On January 29 2012 01:37 Shiori wrote: I'm going to do everyone a favour and go through the entire NA list and explain where people are having issues:
ThisisJimmy- No. Again, making it to the third round in the open bracket and being somewhat popular on youtube does not a top-tier player make.
I hope I've managed to hit most of the players that people have trouble seeing as having anything but a massive longshot at even getting top 10 in this tournament.
You don't know what you're talking about here.
ThisIsJimmy made it the Championship bracket before and consistently makes good runs through the open bracket. He's the 3rd best player on Check Six (after WinDy and Sleep).
There is no way in hell Jimmy is the 3rd best player on x6. I love the guy, but you really can't have any idea how good someone is just by looking at MLG open bracket results, where it's nearly entirely bracket luck / how you play that one day.
In my humble opinion, Shadow, Mystik, Suppy, and (when he was active) Arcanne are all most certainly better than him.
Obviously, they don't know that just from major tournament results, but this is why invitationals suck. I'm sure pretty much all the good NA players would agree with me.
On January 29 2012 01:37 Shiori wrote: I'm going to do everyone a favour and go through the entire NA list and explain where people are having issues:
ThisisJimmy- No. Again, making it to the third round in the open bracket and being somewhat popular on youtube does not a top-tier player make.
I hope I've managed to hit most of the players that people have trouble seeing as having anything but a massive longshot at even getting top 10 in this tournament.
You don't know what you're talking about here.
ThisIsJimmy made it the Championship bracket before and consistently makes good runs through the open bracket. He's the 3rd best player on Check Six (after WinDy and Sleep).
There is no way in hell Jimmy is the 3rd best player on x6. I love the guy, but you really can't have any idea how good someone is just by looking at MLG open bracket results, where it's nearly entirely bracket luck / how you play that one day.
In my humble opinion, Shadow, Mystik, Suppy, and (when he was active) Arcanne are all most certainly better than him.
Obviously, they don't know that just from major tournament results, but this is why invitationals suck. I'm sure pretty much all the good NA players would agree with me.
On January 29 2012 01:37 Shiori wrote: I'm going to do everyone a favour and go through the entire NA list and explain where people are having issues:
ThisisJimmy- No. Again, making it to the third round in the open bracket and being somewhat popular on youtube does not a top-tier player make.
I hope I've managed to hit most of the players that people have trouble seeing as having anything but a massive longshot at even getting top 10 in this tournament.
You don't know what you're talking about here.
ThisIsJimmy made it the Championship bracket before and consistently makes good runs through the open bracket. He's the 3rd best player on Check Six (after WinDy and Sleep).
There is no way in hell Jimmy is the 3rd best player on x6. I love the guy, but you really can't have any idea how good someone is just by looking at MLG open bracket results, where it's nearly entirely bracket luck / how you play that one day.
In my humble opinion, Shadow, Mystik, Suppy, and (when he was active) Arcanne are all most certainly better than him.
Obviously, they don't know that just from major tournament results, but this is why invitationals suck. I'm sure pretty much all the good NA players would agree with me.
Can't forget Sleep
I would put PainUser ahead of ThisIsJimmy too. PU made a really nice run at Providence, especially for not being a full time player.
On January 29 2012 02:06 Shiori wrote: I used "fine" in the literal sense of the word, as in, I have no problem with that player being there. Again, I'm not insulting players by saying that I don't think they're competitive enough to be there.
TIJ got to the championship bracket where he proceeded to beat Attero 2-1 and then get 2-0'd by Tyler. The only notable player he beat along the way was WBC, as far as I can tell.
I'm trying to point out the grievous problems with forgoing an open qualifier: namely that you're inviting people whose only MLG results have ranged from winning the loser's bracket to getting mildly deep.
But I mean, I'd actually prefer to invite players like TIJ, Attero, and underdogs who have actually had to fight through the open bracket instead of people like LZ/Inc/Tyler who just seem to keep getting seeded. I want MLG to invite players who are in their prime NOW or RECENTLY, not players who did okay a year ago. See the problem?
Minigun is the best player in NA so you're crazy
If you think Minigun is the best player in NA, you are crazy. What did Minigun do to make him the best player in NA? If so, where's his accomplishments? Just because he's popular streamer and plays with Catz and few top NA player doesn't make him the best player.
Well....if you even cared about Minigun at all, you would know he has a health problem that keeps him in a lot of pain. So, it's not my business to talk about that, but this is a big reason he doesn't go to any tournaments. He's trying to resolve it, and plans on going to events this if his health is good. So just listen to me and just agree that he really is the best player in NA.
im sorry, but the fact that he has a health problem doesn't make him the best player in NA. and neither does anything else. unless you live in a super secret training cave with him, and then he purposely plays less well where people can see him, hes not the best player on NA
people complaining need to realize these qualifiers are just to determine who gets free flights to the MLG event
im sure anyone who truly feels they can win a MLG probably would scrounge up enough money to get themselves into the open bracket. i have enough money to fly to mlg and compete however i dont believe i can win it so i dont go i keep practicing
On January 30 2012 11:49 Laplaces_imp wrote: This list looks AMAZING though i really really want HerO to qualify. Such a boss player, hopefully if he doesn't make Code S this time around he can qualify through MLG :D
On January 30 2012 12:28 tetrismaan wrote: Who the fuck chooses these "qualifiers"?
I don't understand why a player like eSahara'BabyKnight isn't on the EU list. Jeez.
Can't tell if you're being sarcastic or just blinded by your bias towards that player...
As for the list GanZi, mOOnGLaDe and a few players from Vile. I think I've died and gone to heaven!
Yes I'm probably biased, but I still don't understand why a player who is one of the best players in Europe (he have beaten several of the players invited), and is playing for one of the best foreign teams doesn't get an invite for this.
I really hope next time, there are some "real" qualifiers, so a player like BabyKnight can get qualified, instead of mediocre players like Socke, Goody and ClouD.
These brackets are going to look weird. What are they going to do, have the lowest seeds play until they get to a number that works evenly in a bracket? They should just make the KR qualifier pool play
Wounder why Destiny didn't get an invite :/ He's better then almost all the NA zergs invited except for a couple those being Morrow and Sheth. People may disagree but he's certainly better the Lz, Gowser, Hawk, and ViBe.
On January 31 2012 00:05 Catatonic wrote: Wounder why Destiny didn't get an invite :/ He's better then almost all the NA zergs invited except for a couple those being Morrow and Sheth. People may disagree but he's certainly better the Lz, Gowser, Hawk, and ViBe.
Said in the announcement that literally everyone was asked, if they aren't on the list they probably didnt' accept the invite. I'm assuming Destiny falls under that category.
Look at the Korean qualifiers. With the exception of ToD and White-Ra, the qualifiers for Korean players looks harder than GSL Code S! The only names missing from that list are MC, MVP, DRG, Leenock and thats only because they already qualified through Providence. Lol!
On January 31 2012 00:05 Catatonic wrote: Wounder why Destiny didn't get an invite :/ He's better then almost all the NA zergs invited except for a couple those being Morrow and Sheth. People may disagree but he's certainly better the Lz, Gowser, Hawk, and ViBe.
On January 30 2012 12:28 tetrismaan wrote: Who the fuck chooses these "qualifiers"?
I don't understand why a player like eSahara'BabyKnight isn't on the EU list. Jeez.
Can't tell if you're being sarcastic or just blinded by your bias towards that player...
As for the list GanZi, mOOnGLaDe and a few players from Vile. I think I've died and gone to heaven!
Yes I'm probably biased, but I still don't understand why a player who is one of the best players in Europe (he have beaten several of the players invited), and is playing for one of the best foreign teams doesn't get an invite for this.
I really hope next time, there are some "real" qualifiers, so a player like BabyKnight can get qualified, instead of mediocre players like Socke, Goody and ClouD.
Wow did you just call Socke mediocre compared to BabyKnight.
Feb 23 is Code S ro4. Feb 24 is GSTL Slayers vs OGS (which also makes hero case interesting as he's scheduled for assembly) Feb 25 is GSTL I think will be the winner of NSH/Startale vs the winner of TSL/IM which will be determined this week.
With the new GSTL format, I doubt players will skip out on it to attend MLG.
On January 29 2012 02:06 Shiori wrote: I used "fine" in the literal sense of the word, as in, I have no problem with that player being there. Again, I'm not insulting players by saying that I don't think they're competitive enough to be there.
TIJ got to the championship bracket where he proceeded to beat Attero 2-1 and then get 2-0'd by Tyler. The only notable player he beat along the way was WBC, as far as I can tell.
I'm trying to point out the grievous problems with forgoing an open qualifier: namely that you're inviting people whose only MLG results have ranged from winning the loser's bracket to getting mildly deep.
But I mean, I'd actually prefer to invite players like TIJ, Attero, and underdogs who have actually had to fight through the open bracket instead of people like LZ/Inc/Tyler who just seem to keep getting seeded. I want MLG to invite players who are in their prime NOW or RECENTLY, not players who did okay a year ago. See the problem?
Minigun is the best player in NA so you're crazy
If you think Minigun is the best player in NA, you are crazy. What did Minigun do to make him the best player in NA? If so, where's his accomplishments? Just because he's popular streamer and plays with Catz and few top NA player doesn't make him the best player.
Well....if you even cared about Minigun at all, you would know he has a health problem that keeps him in a lot of pain. So, it's not my business to talk about that, but this is a big reason he doesn't go to any tournaments. He's trying to resolve it, and plans on going to events this if his health is good. So just listen to me and just agree that he really is the best player in NA.
im sorry, but the fact that he has a health problem doesn't make him the best player in NA. and neither does anything else. unless you live in a super secret training cave with him, and then he purposely plays less well where people can see him, hes not the best player on NA
I'm pretty sure I didn't say the reason he's the best player in NA is because of health problems. But you just wait...this year he will own people.
Came home hoping to see European qualifiers start today, as liquidpedia claimed it to run 01.31 - 02-.02. But it MLG site european games are: Thursday, Feb 2 Friday, Feb 3 Monday, Feb 6 Tuesday, Feb 7
The other qualifiers are played way later than what liquidpedia says.
On January 31 2012 20:58 Sea_Food wrote: Came home hoping to see European qualifiers start today, as liquidpedia claimed it to run 01.31 - 02-.02. But it MLG site european games are: Thursday, Feb 2 Friday, Feb 3 Monday, Feb 6 Tuesday, Feb 7
The other qualifiers are played way later than what liquidpedia says.
I might be wrong but maybe these are the broadcast dates and the others are is the date of the actual games.
On January 31 2012 20:58 Sea_Food wrote: Came home hoping to see European qualifiers start today, as liquidpedia claimed it to run 01.31 - 02-.02. But it MLG site european games are: Thursday, Feb 2 Friday, Feb 3 Monday, Feb 6 Tuesday, Feb 7
The other qualifiers are played way later than what liquidpedia says.
I might be wrong but maybe these are the broadcast dates and the others are is the date of the actual games.
I think you're correct.
ALSO, does anybody know when MLG will release the brackets? Hopefully they give players a few days to prepare
On January 31 2012 20:58 Sea_Food wrote: Came home hoping to see European qualifiers start today, as liquidpedia claimed it to run 01.31 - 02-.02. But it MLG site european games are: Thursday, Feb 2 Friday, Feb 3 Monday, Feb 6 Tuesday, Feb 7
The other qualifiers are played way later than what liquidpedia says.
I might be wrong but maybe these are the broadcast dates and the others are is the date of the actual games.
I think you're correct.
ALSO, does anybody know when MLG will release the brackets? Hopefully they give players a few days to prepare
Europe is out now, two posts above. I think we can assume the other brackets will be out shortly.
On February 01 2012 01:17 tekos44 wrote: Seeing the brackets, Thorzain, Sjow, Socke and Ret only have 1 bo3 to win to make it to top 8 and qualify, right ?
Looks like it
Probably because they were the ones with the most points
On February 01 2012 01:17 tekos44 wrote: Seeing the brackets, Thorzain, Sjow, Socke and Ret only have 1 bo3 to win to make it to top 8 and qualify, right ?
There's a losers bracket. They have to win two bo3s.
I guess they are playing it right now, Grubby said on his stream he is gonna play a tournament but could not say which one lasting four hours. Hope he'll make it )
Disappointed the qualifiers weren't just opened up to community casters to do live. Maybe this time the broadcast of the EU qualifiers won't be at midnight for the region at least? >_>
On February 01 2012 04:07 Asha` wrote: Cloud's going to win this time, ez.
Disappointed the qualifiers weren't just opened up to community casters to do live. Maybe this time the broadcast of the EU qualifiers won't be at midnight for the region at least? >_>
I am sure MGL would love to do them live, but there are to many games. With all of the pros being as busy as they are, I am sure getting them all played is challenge enough.
Just saw the euro Bracket. Man I'm stoked for this tournament but doesn't that bracket feel a little erm... top heavy? Glad there's a losers bracket tho, should help out some of the unlucky schmucks (goody v Cloud winner faces Thorzain for example).
Can somebody point me two the North american and Korean brackets? They arn't up on liquipedia yet but I remember they showed at least the Korean bracket (White-Ra vs Inca )
Man Artist vs Illusion, man that seems EXTRAORDINARILY unlucky Reminds me of Sen vs Fenix in TSL3.
Holy shit that whole quadrant is so stacked. Sorry mixed up Inori and Illusion for a sec somehow lol. Still, Inori, Arist, Illusion, Naama, AND Kiwikaki on one quadrant of the bracket!? That's rough.
I dont understand one thing. If the first upcoming event is for Europe, why it starts at 1:00 CET? Some of us have to go to work on the next day. How we are supposed to watch it? If it is a Eu qualifier it shoud fit the European players and audience.
On February 02 2012 15:51 KubciO wrote: I dont understand one thing. If the first upcoming event is for Europe, why it starts at 1:00 CET? Some of us have to go to work on the next day. How we are supposed to watch it? If it is a Eu qualifier it shoud fit the European players and audience.
On February 02 2012 15:51 KubciO wrote: I dont understand one thing. If the first upcoming event is for Europe, why it starts at 1:00 CET? Some of us have to go to work on the next day. How we are supposed to watch it? If it is a Eu qualifier it shoud fit the European players and audience.
All the work is being done in NY and MLGs target audience is the US. I thought people would realize this after the MLG invitational.
On February 02 2012 15:51 KubciO wrote: I dont understand one thing. If the first upcoming event is for Europe, why it starts at 1:00 CET? Some of us have to go to work on the next day. How we are supposed to watch it? If it is a Eu qualifier it shoud fit the European players and audience.
All the work is being done in NY
Doesn't stop them from being able to broadcast in their 'office hours' for Europeans to watch their evening. O well
On February 02 2012 15:51 KubciO wrote: I dont understand one thing. If the first upcoming event is for Europe, why it starts at 1:00 CET? Some of us have to go to work on the next day. How we are supposed to watch it? If it is a Eu qualifier it shoud fit the European players and audience.
Although I agree, I suspect MLG would like to get some NA exposure for the players that will be competing at an NA event.
On February 02 2012 15:51 KubciO wrote: I dont understand one thing. If the first upcoming event is for Europe, why it starts at 1:00 CET? Some of us have to go to work on the next day. How we are supposed to watch it? If it is a Eu qualifier it shoud fit the European players and audience.
Im pretty sure they are casting these qualifiers from replays, I am sure the players played at reasonable times. MLG targets the US, and probably feels that with how fast they typically get up vods during tournaments(instantly for gold like 1 hour for non gold), its not a big deal that most Euros can't watch live
On February 02 2012 20:08 Nawe wrote: Its is unfair some players need to win 1 game to qualify and rest needs like 3-4
Well that's due to the MLG rank points used to determine seeds, it's like pool play all over again, you'd have to screw up in a major way in order to not advance if you have a good seed.
At first I didnt read the message and I was like "omg naniwa is not included". Then I read the message and now Im happy again. Im really loooking forward to this season of MLG! Will be interesting to see if MLG will be f:d over by Gom again.
Edit ok. So I looked closer and I cant find Stephano or Sase. This is bothersome but I gue ss there must be some reason for this?
On February 02 2012 22:06 Robinsa wrote: At first I didnt read the message and I was like "omg naniwa is not included". Then I read the message and now Im happy again. Im really loooking forward to this season of MLG! Will be interesting to see if MLG will be f:d over by Gom again.
Edit ok. So I looked closer and I cant find Stephano or Sase. This is bothersome but I gue ss there must be some reason for this?
Sase is playing in the NA qualifier fo some reason. guys like Stephano and Hero are not attending. They decided to play the ASUS ROG Winter instead that is played at the same time. I think Jyp and perhaps also Puma is playing in that one, but I am not sure.
On February 02 2012 22:06 Robinsa wrote: At first I didnt read the message and I was like "omg naniwa is not included". Then I read the message and now Im happy again. Im really loooking forward to this season of MLG! Will be interesting to see if MLG will be f:d over by Gom again.
Edit ok. So I looked closer and I cant find Stephano or Sase. This is bothersome but I gue ss there must be some reason for this?
Sase is playing in the NA qualifier fo some reason. guys like Stephano and Hero are not attending. They decided to play the ASUS ROG Winter instead that is played at the same time. I think Jyp and perhaps also Puma is playing in that one, but I am not sure.
Yeah I saw that now. I guess that he chose the "easier" path. All brackets are really full of talent though so its hard to call one easier than the other.
Vods are not the same as live cast. Its like watching a football match from a recorded tape - if you are not really a big fan of the team, just a casual one, you just choose to do other things than watch something that has already happened.
On February 02 2012 21:39 DMTsyncope wrote: Did they announce the casters yet for tonights qualifiers? cause it says on the website: Casters for all regions will be announced shortly.
Apollo just announced he will be casting alongside JP.
On February 02 2012 22:24 DerKiLLa wrote: Where can i find the recent results of the EU qualifier?
On February 02 2012 22:24 DerKiLLa wrote: Where can i find the recent results of the EU qualifier?
The results of the games played so far can be found on liquipedia.
I read them just now since the EU qualifier is still broadcast at gone midnight =(
Isn't it funny that MLG's are still doing extended series, matching up people who met each other in the WB in the LB as well and also putting Cloud and Goody together all the time?
On February 02 2012 22:24 DerKiLLa wrote: Where can i find the recent results of the EU qualifier?
The results of the games played so far can be found on liquipedia.
I read them just now since the EU qualifier is still broadcast at gone midnight =(
Isn't it funny that MLG's are still doing extended series, matching up people who met each other in the WB in the LB as well and also putting Cloud and Goody together all the time?
it's rather sad how much work and money they put into improving certain aspects, while refusing to let go of things that require no cost or effort whatsoever. It's more or less pride I guess.
The MLG website says that all the qualifiers (in all the regions) will be played from 7 p.m. EST. That can't be true, can it? Are they letting the Europeans play in the middle of the night?
I.e.: at what time does the EU-qualifier start tonight?
On February 02 2012 22:24 DerKiLLa wrote: Where can i find the recent results of the EU qualifier?
The results of the games played so far can be found on liquipedia.
I read them just now since the EU qualifier is still broadcast at gone midnight =(
Isn't it funny that MLG's are still doing extended series, matching up people who met each other in the WB in the LB as well and also putting Cloud and Goody together all the time?
it's rather sad how much work and money they put into improving certain aspects, while refusing to let go of things that require no cost or effort whatsoever. It's more or less pride I guess.
I think misplaced pride is a more complete description. Although lack of good judgement is another plausible cause, as I don't see how 1AM CET European qualifiers have anything to do with pride.
On February 03 2012 03:02 VanCaspel wrote: The MLG website says that all the qualifiers (in all the regions) will be played from 7 p.m. EST. That can't be true, can it? Are they letting the Europeans play in the middle of the night?
I.e.: at what time does the EU-qualifier start tonight?
On February 03 2012 03:02 VanCaspel wrote: The MLG website says that all the qualifiers (in all the regions) will be played from 7 p.m. EST. That can't be true, can it? Are they letting the Europeans play in the middle of the night?
I.e.: at what time does the EU-qualifier start tonight?
1 am.
I guess that there's probably already a huge rant about this somewhere - but man, this is crazy! SC-pro's definitely need a worker's union
On February 03 2012 03:02 VanCaspel wrote: The MLG website says that all the qualifiers (in all the regions) will be played from 7 p.m. EST. That can't be true, can it? Are they letting the Europeans play in the middle of the night?
I.e.: at what time does the EU-qualifier start tonight?
1 am.
I guess that there's probably already a huge rant about this somewhere - but man, this is crazy! SC-pro's definitely need a worker's union
I am so disappointed in MLG, are they just only thinking about the Americans?
On February 03 2012 03:02 VanCaspel wrote: The MLG website says that all the qualifiers (in all the regions) will be played from 7 p.m. EST. That can't be true, can it? Are they letting the Europeans play in the middle of the night?
I.e.: at what time does the EU-qualifier start tonight?
1 am.
I guess that there's probably already a huge rant about this somewhere - but man, this is crazy! SC-pro's definitely need a worker's union
I am so disappointed in MLG, are they just only thinking about the Americans?
The matches being broadcast tonight were played ahead of time at times that were good for the players. It's just the broadcast that begins tonight at 7pm ET.
On February 03 2012 03:02 VanCaspel wrote: The MLG website says that all the qualifiers (in all the regions) will be played from 7 p.m. EST. That can't be true, can it? Are they letting the Europeans play in the middle of the night?
I.e.: at what time does the EU-qualifier start tonight?
1 am.
I guess that there's probably already a huge rant about this somewhere - but man, this is crazy! SC-pro's definitely need a worker's union
I am so disappointed in MLG, are they just only thinking about the Americans?
The matches being broadcast tonight were played ahead of time at times that were good for the players. It's just the broadcast that begins tonight at 7pm ET.
On February 03 2012 03:02 VanCaspel wrote: The MLG website says that all the qualifiers (in all the regions) will be played from 7 p.m. EST. That can't be true, can it? Are they letting the Europeans play in the middle of the night?
I.e.: at what time does the EU-qualifier start tonight?
1 am.
I guess that there's probably already a huge rant about this somewhere - but man, this is crazy! SC-pro's definitely need a worker's union
I am so disappointed in MLG, are they just only thinking about the Americans?
Why are the results on Liquipedia? Aren't they supposed to be secret until the broadcast? I'd like TL to take a policy to consider this to be "leaked results" or something (it's distinctly different from what we call "spoilers") and not put them on official pages and/or tournament threads.
On February 03 2012 06:59 KillerDucky wrote: Why are the results on Liquipedia? Aren't they supposed to be secret until the broadcast? I'd like TL to take a policy to consider this to be "leaked results" or something (it's distinctly different from what we call "spoilers") and not put them on official pages and/or tournament threads.
lol this is bad Im pretty sure I've seen people get banned for post results of games not aired yet.. ( pretty sure means not 100% so sorry if Im wrong ), anyone can confirm ~.~?
On February 03 2012 06:59 KillerDucky wrote: Why are the results on Liquipedia? Aren't they supposed to be secret until the broadcast? I'd like TL to take a policy to consider this to be "leaked results" or something (it's distinctly different from what we call "spoilers") and not put them on official pages and/or tournament threads.
On February 03 2012 07:07 0kz wrote: lol this is bad Im pretty sure I've seen people get banned for post results of games not aired yet.. ( pretty sure means not 100% so sorry if Im wrong ), anyone can confirm ~.~?
We can and are doing everything we can to keep results hidden and cooperate so that everyone can enjoy the games, but the onus is on the organizer to make sure they are using cloaked maps if they don't want this to happen. If it wasn't Liquipedia updating the results it would be someone else leaking them.
We aren't going to penalize contributors for the work they do, regardless of whether results are added before the games have aired or not.
It appears tonight's broadcast has started, but I can't seem to find the stream... At MLG.tv there's a link to the live show (http://tv.majorleaguegaming.com/shows/2702-winter-starcraft-2-online-qualifiers), but there's no stream on that page. Anyone with the same problem?
On February 03 2012 09:08 VanCaspel wrote: It appears tonight's broadcast has started, but I can't seem to find the stream... At MLG.tv there's a link to the live show (http://tv.majorleaguegaming.com/shows/2702-winter-starcraft-2-online-qualifiers), but there's no stream on that page. Anyone with the same problem?
You browser might be using the cached version of the site, hard refresh with ctrl+F5 and you should be getting the newest version with livestream
Dear MLG, I know some 13 year old kids that live in their moms basement. I'm sure they'd chuck you some tracks for nothing rather than you having to use these awful riffs.
Hey I am really really curious about why White-Ra is signed up to play through the Korean qualifier? Is he going to Korean soon? Is he in Korea and I just didn't know about it?
Ignore this I bothered to read the thread a bit and it was answered.
EPT
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TOP qualifies, havent seem much of him lately :<
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