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On January 28 2012 15:57 Lawliet wrote:
Providence top 8 is kind of BS. most of those players were seeded and they didn't really have to do anything. Like Huk. All he did was lose, then defend some poor Cheese from Hero. Sort of same deal with naniwa who just kind of rolled over and died trying to execute the exact same build over and over again.
Or Haypro who went on a single tourney streak.
I'm not saying any of the seeded players are bad or anything but I think it's kind of retarded to seed players based on a different tourney that had a good chunk of these players already seeded high.
I guess I'm just against having seeds for this tourneyment. It's a new season, why make results from previous season so hugely important?
Ya and Incontrol and Machine last year seemed to be there just to let everyone pad their win ratios before politely knocking out one guy who makes it through the open bracket and then promptly getting eliminated -- it is a silly system but whats just how it is, eventually they will stop being ranked and have to go through open brackets too.
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stephano sase mana dimaga nerchio, the players europe have are still imporessive but well its not the 1st class
ps why isnt sase for korea when white-ra and tod are ?
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On January 28 2012 22:08 Lorch wrote:Show nested quote +On January 28 2012 22:04 Xoronius wrote:On January 28 2012 21:52 zaii wrote:On January 28 2012 21:50 Choboo wrote:On January 28 2012 21:47 Lorch wrote:On January 28 2012 21:43 Choboo wrote:On January 28 2012 21:39 Lorch wrote:On January 28 2012 21:36 Choboo wrote:On January 28 2012 21:33 Lorch wrote:
You really think that an online cup is harder than an offline tournaments with the worlds best players competing in it? Also if you'd actually watch mlg closely you'd know that the people you mentioned did not just go in 2-3 rounds in an mlg...
So he took a series of a clearly better player? Wow, you do realize how reatardetly young this game is? Just a year ago some random scrup got 3 rounds deep in a gsl by only doing marine/scv allins. Also where did MKP finish at hsc 4? Yeah right a lot higher than delphi, so to say that, even in that tournament, delphi was better than MKP is just straight up wrong, and saying that he is better in general is beyond stupid bro. If any of those players would ever make it out of the open bracket that might be impressive but just flying to every MLG isn't that impressive IMO. If Delphi would participate in every MLG do you honestly think he would do worse than ThisIsJimmy? Given that he'd be jetlagged and has about zero expirience in that kind of invorement (playing on the eps stage or at hsc and even playing from home is soooo much different from attending a mlg) yeah I could certainly see him finish worse than thisisjimmy, just based on brackets. Also I hope you know how stupid it is to just flame some random player you don't know much about, compare him to your favorite player who didn't get an invite, and then bitch at mlg about it. MLG probably had a really good reason for not inviting him, I doubt they based their invitations based on online cups and eps tournaments... I'm not a Delphi fan I'm just sad when people think that an MLG open bracket is more stacked than an online cup. Here's ThisIsJimmy's mlg providence run: Beat NamespaceSTD Beat fdsdfg Beat Kyoubro Lost to Shew Lost to PainUser Sounds really impressive imo I never talked about the quality of players I talked about the format, cups are online, mlg is offline and you seem to ignore/not care about the major difference between the two. MKP is pretty damn close to unbeatable if you let him play online, at live events he chockes a lot. MC was even in bw pretty good in practice (thus why MBC kept sending him out) but he had like a 1-10 record in PL thanks to nerves. Being able to perform online/in practice is not even close to equal to being able to perform at live events. Also I'm not even defending players like jimmy here or calling delphi bad, I just think it's really dumb to pick some player who you think is worse than your favorite player who didn't get an invite and start comparing the two and bitch at mlg for not inviting your favorite players. The list is what it is, and if MLG felt like delphi didn't deserve an invite for whatever reason than thats what it is, that doesn't mean that you need to start bashing other players that you think of as worse. Also atleast pick some EU players because NA invites are based of totally different stats than EU invites. Location: Germany... You're so incredibly biased I won't even bother arguing with you anymore. Hopefully that's Sarcasm, What Lorch posted makes sense. To some extend it does, but the online/offline-argument is weird, because EPS-playoffs are also offline. And NA/EU beeing judged by different stats is a bit weird ,too, it shouldn´t really matter from which server the players are, skill level should be more important. And there are many european players who aren´t invited, which I consider stronger, than american players, who are invited. If you want other examples; Bly, Syz, Happyzerg, Babyknight, ... I don´t know, if they were invited and just declined, but I knew that Delphi was not invited, so I chosed him as an example. Are EPS playoffs in the sickest convention center with thousands of nerds wandering a round? Are they a ~300 man competition with the biggest live audience on the continent? Nah they are a bunch of games between 8 (?) players on a decent sized stages... MLG based their invites on perfmance in MLG and other esports competitions, those are different on every continent so obviously the standard are different. Also it's not like mlg had 139 spots they filled, they sat down looked at stats from all across the world and came up with this list. The reason why NA has the strongest showing is due to MLG being an NA tournament, KR is that strong because thats where the best players are and I also feel like MLG has a strong interest in helping the KR sc2 scene which is still struggling vs brood war.
No, they aren´t but do you really think the environtment is so much more important than the competition? Is it really harder to beat statlife and spades (no disrespect for them, I just searched for representative players in the later rounds of MLG´s) offline, than to beat Nerchio and Kas online? I don´t think so. Plus at EPS every match can be extra-money. I don´t think, that the pressure is quite high as well (Money at MLG begins at 8th place, nobody of the mentioned ever got there).
Edit: If they focus on inviting NA-players and KR-players, although EU-players (and probably more KR-players) are better than big parts of the NA-list, then they have to know, that EU-fans will not be pleased.
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I didn't see SelecT on this list, is he going to be competing?
He's my favorite player and I haven't seen much from him in a long while.
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On January 28 2012 22:25 NoctemSC wrote:
I didn't see SelecT on this list, is he going to be competing?
He's my favorite player and I haven't seen much from him in a long while.
He is at Assembly at the same time.
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Hmm so many good european players missing, I don't really get why when winners get travel expenses payed. Is it just that MLG didn't invite more players? if that's the case then the invites are messed up tbh.
The whole eastern Europe except Tarson, Titan, Diestar and Whitera missing, just to name some.
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On January 28 2012 22:21 Xoronius wrote:Show nested quote +On January 28 2012 22:08 Lorch wrote:On January 28 2012 22:04 Xoronius wrote:On January 28 2012 21:52 zaii wrote:On January 28 2012 21:50 Choboo wrote:On January 28 2012 21:47 Lorch wrote:On January 28 2012 21:43 Choboo wrote:On January 28 2012 21:39 Lorch wrote:On January 28 2012 21:36 Choboo wrote:On January 28 2012 21:33 Lorch wrote:
You really think that an online cup is harder than an offline tournaments with the worlds best players competing in it? Also if you'd actually watch mlg closely you'd know that the people you mentioned did not just go in 2-3 rounds in an mlg...
So he took a series of a clearly better player? Wow, you do realize how reatardetly young this game is? Just a year ago some random scrup got 3 rounds deep in a gsl by only doing marine/scv allins. Also where did MKP finish at hsc 4? Yeah right a lot higher than delphi, so to say that, even in that tournament, delphi was better than MKP is just straight up wrong, and saying that he is better in general is beyond stupid bro. If any of those players would ever make it out of the open bracket that might be impressive but just flying to every MLG isn't that impressive IMO. If Delphi would participate in every MLG do you honestly think he would do worse than ThisIsJimmy? Given that he'd be jetlagged and has about zero expirience in that kind of invorement (playing on the eps stage or at hsc and even playing from home is soooo much different from attending a mlg) yeah I could certainly see him finish worse than thisisjimmy, just based on brackets. Also I hope you know how stupid it is to just flame some random player you don't know much about, compare him to your favorite player who didn't get an invite, and then bitch at mlg about it. MLG probably had a really good reason for not inviting him, I doubt they based their invitations based on online cups and eps tournaments... I'm not a Delphi fan I'm just sad when people think that an MLG open bracket is more stacked than an online cup. Here's ThisIsJimmy's mlg providence run: Beat NamespaceSTD Beat fdsdfg Beat Kyoubro Lost to Shew Lost to PainUser Sounds really impressive imo I never talked about the quality of players I talked about the format, cups are online, mlg is offline and you seem to ignore/not care about the major difference between the two. MKP is pretty damn close to unbeatable if you let him play online, at live events he chockes a lot. MC was even in bw pretty good in practice (thus why MBC kept sending him out) but he had like a 1-10 record in PL thanks to nerves. Being able to perform online/in practice is not even close to equal to being able to perform at live events. Also I'm not even defending players like jimmy here or calling delphi bad, I just think it's really dumb to pick some player who you think is worse than your favorite player who didn't get an invite and start comparing the two and bitch at mlg for not inviting your favorite players. The list is what it is, and if MLG felt like delphi didn't deserve an invite for whatever reason than thats what it is, that doesn't mean that you need to start bashing other players that you think of as worse. Also atleast pick some EU players because NA invites are based of totally different stats than EU invites. Location: Germany... You're so incredibly biased I won't even bother arguing with you anymore. Hopefully that's Sarcasm, What Lorch posted makes sense. To some extend it does, but the online/offline-argument is weird, because EPS-playoffs are also offline. And NA/EU beeing judged by different stats is a bit weird ,too, it shouldn´t really matter from which server the players are, skill level should be more important. And there are many european players who aren´t invited, which I consider stronger, than american players, who are invited. If you want other examples; Bly, Syz, Happyzerg, Babyknight, ... I don´t know, if they were invited and just declined, but I knew that Delphi was not invited, so I chosed him as an example. Are EPS playoffs in the sickest convention center with thousands of nerds wandering a round? Are they a ~300 man competition with the biggest live audience on the continent? Nah they are a bunch of games between 8 (?) players on a decent sized stages... MLG based their invites on perfmance in MLG and other esports competitions, those are different on every continent so obviously the standard are different. Also it's not like mlg had 139 spots they filled, they sat down looked at stats from all across the world and came up with this list. The reason why NA has the strongest showing is due to MLG being an NA tournament, KR is that strong because thats where the best players are and I also feel like MLG has a strong interest in helping the KR sc2 scene which is still struggling vs brood war. Edit: If they focus on inviting NA-players and KR-players, although EU-players (and probably more KR-players) are better than big parts of the NA-list, then they have to know, that EU-fans will not be pleased.
Are EU fans really gonna be displeased at there own players for not accepting the invites? FFS they have Assembly they can go to which is closer, and theres always the open bracket.
On January 28 2012 22:34 Gurgl wrote:
Hmm so many good european players missing, I don't really get why when winners get travel expenses payed. Is it just that MLG didn't invite more players? if that's the case then the invites are messed up tbh.
They decline, or are going to Assembly instead.
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On January 28 2012 22:34 Gurgl wrote:
Hmm so many good european players missing, I don't really get why when winners get travel expenses payed. Is it just that MLG didn't invite more players? if that's the case then the invites are messed up tbh.
It is, because MLG and Assembly are at the same time and most europeans prefer Assembly.
Edit: To zaii: I am not displeased, if euro-players decline their invites. I am just displeased, if they don´t even get one. Which seems to be the case in some cases.
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On January 28 2012 07:21 devPLEASE wrote:
Missing Sage. And Seal. And a lot more of NSHS guise.
Also missing MC HERO and MVP
NSHS does not have much money for travel and accomodation, iirc.
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On January 28 2012 22:38 Xoronius wrote:Show nested quote +On January 28 2012 22:34 Gurgl wrote:
Hmm so many good european players missing, I don't really get why when winners get travel expenses payed. Is it just that MLG didn't invite more players? if that's the case then the invites are messed up tbh. It is, because MLG and Assembly are at the same time and most europeans prefer Assembly. Edit: To zaii: I am not displeased, if euro-players decline their invites. I am just displeased, if they don´t even get one. Which seems to be the case in some cases.
Seems to be the case for one person who played in a German only lan of 8?
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On January 28 2012 22:44 zaii wrote:Show nested quote +On January 28 2012 22:38 Xoronius wrote:On January 28 2012 22:34 Gurgl wrote:
Hmm so many good european players missing, I don't really get why when winners get travel expenses payed. Is it just that MLG didn't invite more players? if that's the case then the invites are messed up tbh. It is, because MLG and Assembly are at the same time and most europeans prefer Assembly. Edit: To zaii: I am not displeased, if euro-players decline their invites. I am just displeased, if they don´t even get one. Which seems to be the case in some cases. Seems to be the case for one person who played in a German only lan of 8?
Seems to be the case for a 2xsemi-finalist of a tournament, which has a bigger price pool than 5 of 6 of last years MLG´s. And no, i am not thinking, that EPS would be bigger than MLG, I just demonstrate the other side of bias.
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On January 28 2012 22:51 Xoronius wrote:Show nested quote +On January 28 2012 22:44 zaii wrote:On January 28 2012 22:38 Xoronius wrote:On January 28 2012 22:34 Gurgl wrote:
Hmm so many good european players missing, I don't really get why when winners get travel expenses payed. Is it just that MLG didn't invite more players? if that's the case then the invites are messed up tbh. It is, because MLG and Assembly are at the same time and most europeans prefer Assembly. Edit: To zaii: I am not displeased, if euro-players decline their invites. I am just displeased, if they don´t even get one. Which seems to be the case in some cases. Seems to be the case for one person who played in a German only lan of 8? Seems to be the case for a 2xsemi-finalist of a tournament, which has a bigger price pool than 5 of 6 of last years MLG´s. And no, i am not thinking, that EPS would be bigger than MLG, I just demonstrate the other side of bias.
Have Delphi take his case to the MLG admins (John Nelson?)  .
"Hey, I beat MKP 2-1 in HSC 4. Invite me." These lists aren't finalized, are they?
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On January 28 2012 22:38 WigglingSquid wrote:Show nested quote +On January 28 2012 07:21 devPLEASE wrote:
Missing Sage. And Seal. And a lot more of NSHS guise.
Also missing MC HERO and MVP NSHS does not have much money for travel and accomodation, iirc.
Don't they get paid trip if they get top8 in qualifier
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On January 28 2012 22:59 Qaatar wrote:Show nested quote +On January 28 2012 22:51 Xoronius wrote:On January 28 2012 22:44 zaii wrote:On January 28 2012 22:38 Xoronius wrote:On January 28 2012 22:34 Gurgl wrote:
Hmm so many good european players missing, I don't really get why when winners get travel expenses payed. Is it just that MLG didn't invite more players? if that's the case then the invites are messed up tbh. It is, because MLG and Assembly are at the same time and most europeans prefer Assembly. Edit: To zaii: I am not displeased, if euro-players decline their invites. I am just displeased, if they don´t even get one. Which seems to be the case in some cases. Seems to be the case for one person who played in a German only lan of 8? Seems to be the case for a 2xsemi-finalist of a tournament, which has a bigger price pool than 5 of 6 of last years MLG´s. And no, i am not thinking, that EPS would be bigger than MLG, I just demonstrate the other side of bias. Have Delphi take his case to the MLG admins (John Nelson?) . "Hey, I beat MKP 2-1 in HSC 4. Invite me." These lists aren't finalized, are they?
I think they are, he wrote a mail to an MLG-employee and it was said, that they couldn´t invite him for this season, but tried to do it for the next one.
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that European list could be so much better even with players going to assembly. so sad we are missing sLivko and Delphi not on the list
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Kinda new this is gonna be bad.
Having assembly at the sametime as qualifier allready hurts like hell.
Now add ppl that missed invite, cause MLG didnt notice them... Damn.
Ohwell its still gonna be epic.
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OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO Yea :D awesome list this is going be soo sick
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Looks like great invites overall.
Its unfortunate that many great players couldn't attend for various reasons, but still, the line-up is trough the roof.
Hopefully more EU players can qualify, we see too few good EU players consistently attend MLG, which is a shame.
I'm looking forward to some great games.
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It blows my mind how many ppl start QQing without even reading the OP.
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