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Fuck yeah, HayprO :D Already hyped :D
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On January 28 2012 21:39 Lorch wrote:Show nested quote +On January 28 2012 21:36 Choboo wrote:On January 28 2012 21:33 Lorch wrote:
You really think that an online cup is harder than an offline tournaments with the worlds best players competing in it? Also if you'd actually watch mlg closely you'd know that the people you mentioned did not just go in 2-3 rounds in an mlg...
So he took a series of a clearly better player? Wow, you do realize how reatardetly young this game is? Just a year ago some random scrup got 3 rounds deep in a gsl by only doing marine/scv allins. Also where did MKP finish at hsc 4? Yeah right a lot higher than delphi, so to say that, even in that tournament, delphi was better than MKP is just straight up wrong, and saying that he is better in general is beyond stupid bro. If any of those players would ever make it out of the open bracket that might be impressive but just flying to every MLG isn't that impressive IMO. If Delphi would participate in every MLG do you honestly think he would do worse than ThisIsJimmy? Given that he'd be jetlagged and has about zero expirience in that kind of invorement (playing on the eps stage or at hsc and even playing from home is soooo much different from attending a mlg) yeah I could certainly see him finish worse than thisisjimmy, just based on brackets. Also I hope you know how stupid it is to just flame some random player you don't know much about, compare him to your favorite player who didn't get an invite, and then bitch at mlg about it. MLG probably had a really good reason for not inviting him, I doubt they based their invitations based on online cups and eps tournaments...
I'm not a Delphi fan I'm just sad when people think that an MLG open bracket is more stacked than an online cup.
Here's ThisIsJimmy's mlg providence run:
Beat NamespaceSTD
Beat fdsdfg
Beat Kyoubro
Lost to Shew
Lost to PainUser
Sounds really impressive imo
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was NA based solely on MLG ranking? seems a bit odd i wasnt invited
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On January 28 2012 21:33 Lorch wrote:
You really think that an online cup is harder than an offline tournaments with the worlds best players competing in it? Also if you'd actually watch mlg closely you'd know that the people you mentioned did not just go in 2-3 rounds in an mlg...
So he took a series of a clearly better player? Wow, you do realize how reatardetly young this game is? Just a year ago some random scrup got 3 rounds deep in a gsl by only doing marine/scv allins. Also where did MKP finish at hsc 4? Yeah right a lot higher than delphi, so to say that, even in that tournament, delphi was better than MKP is just straight up wrong, and saying that he is better in general is beyond stupid bro.
At which point did I say, that he is better than MKP? I am not retardet, I know that MKP is the better player, but alone the fact, that he is able to beat MKP means, that he can not be that bad. And again, read my posts, I am not speaking about the MLG´s, which included the exchange-programm, I spoke about the MLG´s before. And they did not have the best players in the world.
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On January 28 2012 21:43 VTPerfect wrote:
was NA based solely on MLG ranking? seems a bit odd i wasnt invited
2011 tournament placings, Blizzard ladder, and MLG tournament/rank points.
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On January 28 2012 21:43 Choboo wrote:Show nested quote +On January 28 2012 21:39 Lorch wrote:On January 28 2012 21:36 Choboo wrote:On January 28 2012 21:33 Lorch wrote:
You really think that an online cup is harder than an offline tournaments with the worlds best players competing in it? Also if you'd actually watch mlg closely you'd know that the people you mentioned did not just go in 2-3 rounds in an mlg...
So he took a series of a clearly better player? Wow, you do realize how reatardetly young this game is? Just a year ago some random scrup got 3 rounds deep in a gsl by only doing marine/scv allins. Also where did MKP finish at hsc 4? Yeah right a lot higher than delphi, so to say that, even in that tournament, delphi was better than MKP is just straight up wrong, and saying that he is better in general is beyond stupid bro. If any of those players would ever make it out of the open bracket that might be impressive but just flying to every MLG isn't that impressive IMO. If Delphi would participate in every MLG do you honestly think he would do worse than ThisIsJimmy? Given that he'd be jetlagged and has about zero expirience in that kind of invorement (playing on the eps stage or at hsc and even playing from home is soooo much different from attending a mlg) yeah I could certainly see him finish worse than thisisjimmy, just based on brackets. Also I hope you know how stupid it is to just flame some random player you don't know much about, compare him to your favorite player who didn't get an invite, and then bitch at mlg about it. MLG probably had a really good reason for not inviting him, I doubt they based their invitations based on online cups and eps tournaments... I'm not a Delphi fan I'm just sad when people think that an MLG open bracket is more stacked than an online cup. Here's ThisIsJimmy's mlg providence run: Beat NamespaceSTD Beat fdsdfg Beat Kyoubro Lost to Shew Lost to PainUser Sounds really impressive imo
I never talked about the quality of players I talked about the format, cups are online, mlg is offline and you seem to ignore/not care about the major difference between the two. MKP is pretty damn close to unbeatable if you let him play online, at live events he chockes a lot. MC was even in bw pretty good in practice (thus why MBC kept sending him out) but he had like a 1-10 record in PL thanks to nerves. Being able to perform online/in practice is not even close to equal to being able to perform at live events.
Also I'm not even defending players like jimmy here or calling delphi bad, I just think it's really dumb to pick some player who you think is worse than your favorite player who didn't get an invite and start comparing the two and bitch at mlg for not inviting your favorite players. The list is what it is, and if MLG felt like delphi didn't deserve an invite for whatever reason than thats what it is, that doesn't mean that you need to start bashing other players that you think of as worse. Also atleast pick some EU players because NA invites are based of totally different stats than EU invites.
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I still really dont get, why MC is not there.
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On January 28 2012 21:47 Lorch wrote:Show nested quote +On January 28 2012 21:43 Choboo wrote:On January 28 2012 21:39 Lorch wrote:On January 28 2012 21:36 Choboo wrote:On January 28 2012 21:33 Lorch wrote:
You really think that an online cup is harder than an offline tournaments with the worlds best players competing in it? Also if you'd actually watch mlg closely you'd know that the people you mentioned did not just go in 2-3 rounds in an mlg...
So he took a series of a clearly better player? Wow, you do realize how reatardetly young this game is? Just a year ago some random scrup got 3 rounds deep in a gsl by only doing marine/scv allins. Also where did MKP finish at hsc 4? Yeah right a lot higher than delphi, so to say that, even in that tournament, delphi was better than MKP is just straight up wrong, and saying that he is better in general is beyond stupid bro. If any of those players would ever make it out of the open bracket that might be impressive but just flying to every MLG isn't that impressive IMO. If Delphi would participate in every MLG do you honestly think he would do worse than ThisIsJimmy? Given that he'd be jetlagged and has about zero expirience in that kind of invorement (playing on the eps stage or at hsc and even playing from home is soooo much different from attending a mlg) yeah I could certainly see him finish worse than thisisjimmy, just based on brackets. Also I hope you know how stupid it is to just flame some random player you don't know much about, compare him to your favorite player who didn't get an invite, and then bitch at mlg about it. MLG probably had a really good reason for not inviting him, I doubt they based their invitations based on online cups and eps tournaments... I'm not a Delphi fan I'm just sad when people think that an MLG open bracket is more stacked than an online cup. Here's ThisIsJimmy's mlg providence run: Beat NamespaceSTD Beat fdsdfg Beat Kyoubro Lost to Shew Lost to PainUser Sounds really impressive imo I never talked about the quality of players I talked about the format, cups are online, mlg is offline and you seem to ignore/not care about the major difference between the two. MKP is pretty damn close to unbeatable if you let him play online, at live events he chockes a lot. MC was even in bw pretty good in practice (thus why MBC kept sending him out) but he had like a 1-10 record in PL thanks to nerves. Being able to perform online/in practice is not even close to equal to being able to perform at live events. Also I'm not even defending players like jimmy here or calling delphi bad, I just think it's really dumb to pick some player who you think is worse than your favorite player who didn't get an invite and start comparing the two and bitch at mlg for not inviting your favorite players. The list is what it is, and if MLG felt like delphi didn't deserve an invite for whatever reason than thats what it is, that doesn't mean that you need to start bashing other players that you think of as worse. Also atleast pick some EU players because NA invites are based of totally different stats than EU invites.
Location: Germany... You're so incredibly biased I won't even bother arguing with you anymore.
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On January 28 2012 21:49 DreamOen wrote:
I still really dont get, why MC is not there.
because he already Qualified, reread the OP.
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On January 28 2012 21:49 DreamOen wrote:
I still really dont get, why MC is not there.
read the OP maybe?
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On January 28 2012 21:49 DreamOen wrote:
I still really dont get, why MC is not there.
He is there, he is one of the 8 direct invites.
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On January 28 2012 21:50 Choboo wrote:Show nested quote +On January 28 2012 21:47 Lorch wrote:On January 28 2012 21:43 Choboo wrote:On January 28 2012 21:39 Lorch wrote:On January 28 2012 21:36 Choboo wrote:On January 28 2012 21:33 Lorch wrote:
You really think that an online cup is harder than an offline tournaments with the worlds best players competing in it? Also if you'd actually watch mlg closely you'd know that the people you mentioned did not just go in 2-3 rounds in an mlg...
So he took a series of a clearly better player? Wow, you do realize how reatardetly young this game is? Just a year ago some random scrup got 3 rounds deep in a gsl by only doing marine/scv allins. Also where did MKP finish at hsc 4? Yeah right a lot higher than delphi, so to say that, even in that tournament, delphi was better than MKP is just straight up wrong, and saying that he is better in general is beyond stupid bro. If any of those players would ever make it out of the open bracket that might be impressive but just flying to every MLG isn't that impressive IMO. If Delphi would participate in every MLG do you honestly think he would do worse than ThisIsJimmy? Given that he'd be jetlagged and has about zero expirience in that kind of invorement (playing on the eps stage or at hsc and even playing from home is soooo much different from attending a mlg) yeah I could certainly see him finish worse than thisisjimmy, just based on brackets. Also I hope you know how stupid it is to just flame some random player you don't know much about, compare him to your favorite player who didn't get an invite, and then bitch at mlg about it. MLG probably had a really good reason for not inviting him, I doubt they based their invitations based on online cups and eps tournaments... I'm not a Delphi fan I'm just sad when people think that an MLG open bracket is more stacked than an online cup. Here's ThisIsJimmy's mlg providence run: Beat NamespaceSTD Beat fdsdfg Beat Kyoubro Lost to Shew Lost to PainUser Sounds really impressive imo I never talked about the quality of players I talked about the format, cups are online, mlg is offline and you seem to ignore/not care about the major difference between the two. MKP is pretty damn close to unbeatable if you let him play online, at live events he chockes a lot. MC was even in bw pretty good in practice (thus why MBC kept sending him out) but he had like a 1-10 record in PL thanks to nerves. Being able to perform online/in practice is not even close to equal to being able to perform at live events. Also I'm not even defending players like jimmy here or calling delphi bad, I just think it's really dumb to pick some player who you think is worse than your favorite player who didn't get an invite and start comparing the two and bitch at mlg for not inviting your favorite players. The list is what it is, and if MLG felt like delphi didn't deserve an invite for whatever reason than thats what it is, that doesn't mean that you need to start bashing other players that you think of as worse. Also atleast pick some EU players because NA invites are based of totally different stats than EU invites. Location: Germany... You're so incredibly biased I won't even bother arguing with you anymore.
Hopefully that's Sarcasm, What Lorch posted makes sense.
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On January 28 2012 21:50 Choboo wrote:Show nested quote +On January 28 2012 21:47 Lorch wrote:On January 28 2012 21:43 Choboo wrote:On January 28 2012 21:39 Lorch wrote:On January 28 2012 21:36 Choboo wrote:On January 28 2012 21:33 Lorch wrote:
You really think that an online cup is harder than an offline tournaments with the worlds best players competing in it? Also if you'd actually watch mlg closely you'd know that the people you mentioned did not just go in 2-3 rounds in an mlg...
So he took a series of a clearly better player? Wow, you do realize how reatardetly young this game is? Just a year ago some random scrup got 3 rounds deep in a gsl by only doing marine/scv allins. Also where did MKP finish at hsc 4? Yeah right a lot higher than delphi, so to say that, even in that tournament, delphi was better than MKP is just straight up wrong, and saying that he is better in general is beyond stupid bro. If any of those players would ever make it out of the open bracket that might be impressive but just flying to every MLG isn't that impressive IMO. If Delphi would participate in every MLG do you honestly think he would do worse than ThisIsJimmy? Given that he'd be jetlagged and has about zero expirience in that kind of invorement (playing on the eps stage or at hsc and even playing from home is soooo much different from attending a mlg) yeah I could certainly see him finish worse than thisisjimmy, just based on brackets. Also I hope you know how stupid it is to just flame some random player you don't know much about, compare him to your favorite player who didn't get an invite, and then bitch at mlg about it. MLG probably had a really good reason for not inviting him, I doubt they based their invitations based on online cups and eps tournaments... I'm not a Delphi fan I'm just sad when people think that an MLG open bracket is more stacked than an online cup. Here's ThisIsJimmy's mlg providence run: Beat NamespaceSTD Beat fdsdfg Beat Kyoubro Lost to Shew Lost to PainUser Sounds really impressive imo I never talked about the quality of players I talked about the format, cups are online, mlg is offline and you seem to ignore/not care about the major difference between the two. MKP is pretty damn close to unbeatable if you let him play online, at live events he chockes a lot. MC was even in bw pretty good in practice (thus why MBC kept sending him out) but he had like a 1-10 record in PL thanks to nerves. Being able to perform online/in practice is not even close to equal to being able to perform at live events. Also I'm not even defending players like jimmy here or calling delphi bad, I just think it's really dumb to pick some player who you think is worse than your favorite player who didn't get an invite and start comparing the two and bitch at mlg for not inviting your favorite players. The list is what it is, and if MLG felt like delphi didn't deserve an invite for whatever reason than thats what it is, that doesn't mean that you need to start bashing other players that you think of as worse. Also atleast pick some EU players because NA invites are based of totally different stats than EU invites. Location: Germany... You're so incredibly biased I won't even bother arguing with you anymore.
Me being german means I'm biased when I'm not even arguing in favor of the german player? So some korean saying that a foreigner will win the next mlg is also biased? But ah well I'm just glad I don't have to argue anymore about why offline means more than online, the fact that that is even debateable makes me really sad.
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On January 28 2012 21:52 zaii wrote:Show nested quote +On January 28 2012 21:50 Choboo wrote:On January 28 2012 21:47 Lorch wrote:On January 28 2012 21:43 Choboo wrote:On January 28 2012 21:39 Lorch wrote:On January 28 2012 21:36 Choboo wrote:On January 28 2012 21:33 Lorch wrote:
You really think that an online cup is harder than an offline tournaments with the worlds best players competing in it? Also if you'd actually watch mlg closely you'd know that the people you mentioned did not just go in 2-3 rounds in an mlg...
So he took a series of a clearly better player? Wow, you do realize how reatardetly young this game is? Just a year ago some random scrup got 3 rounds deep in a gsl by only doing marine/scv allins. Also where did MKP finish at hsc 4? Yeah right a lot higher than delphi, so to say that, even in that tournament, delphi was better than MKP is just straight up wrong, and saying that he is better in general is beyond stupid bro. If any of those players would ever make it out of the open bracket that might be impressive but just flying to every MLG isn't that impressive IMO. If Delphi would participate in every MLG do you honestly think he would do worse than ThisIsJimmy? Given that he'd be jetlagged and has about zero expirience in that kind of invorement (playing on the eps stage or at hsc and even playing from home is soooo much different from attending a mlg) yeah I could certainly see him finish worse than thisisjimmy, just based on brackets. Also I hope you know how stupid it is to just flame some random player you don't know much about, compare him to your favorite player who didn't get an invite, and then bitch at mlg about it. MLG probably had a really good reason for not inviting him, I doubt they based their invitations based on online cups and eps tournaments... I'm not a Delphi fan I'm just sad when people think that an MLG open bracket is more stacked than an online cup. Here's ThisIsJimmy's mlg providence run: Beat NamespaceSTD Beat fdsdfg Beat Kyoubro Lost to Shew Lost to PainUser Sounds really impressive imo I never talked about the quality of players I talked about the format, cups are online, mlg is offline and you seem to ignore/not care about the major difference between the two. MKP is pretty damn close to unbeatable if you let him play online, at live events he chockes a lot. MC was even in bw pretty good in practice (thus why MBC kept sending him out) but he had like a 1-10 record in PL thanks to nerves. Being able to perform online/in practice is not even close to equal to being able to perform at live events. Also I'm not even defending players like jimmy here or calling delphi bad, I just think it's really dumb to pick some player who you think is worse than your favorite player who didn't get an invite and start comparing the two and bitch at mlg for not inviting your favorite players. The list is what it is, and if MLG felt like delphi didn't deserve an invite for whatever reason than thats what it is, that doesn't mean that you need to start bashing other players that you think of as worse. Also atleast pick some EU players because NA invites are based of totally different stats than EU invites. Location: Germany... You're so incredibly biased I won't even bother arguing with you anymore. Hopefully that's Sarcasm, What Lorch posted makes sense.
To some extend it does, but the online/offline-argument is weird, because EPS-playoffs are also offline. And NA/EU beeing judged by different stats is a bit weird ,too, it shouldn´t really matter from which server the players are, skill level should be more important. And there are many european players who aren´t invited, which I consider stronger, than american players, who are invited. If you want other examples; Bly, Syz, Happyzerg, Babyknight, ... I don´t know, if they were invited and just declined, but I knew that Delphi was not invited, so I chosed him as an example.
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MONCHI!! Austria fighting!
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On January 28 2012 22:04 Xoronius wrote:Show nested quote +On January 28 2012 21:52 zaii wrote:On January 28 2012 21:50 Choboo wrote:On January 28 2012 21:47 Lorch wrote:On January 28 2012 21:43 Choboo wrote:On January 28 2012 21:39 Lorch wrote:On January 28 2012 21:36 Choboo wrote:On January 28 2012 21:33 Lorch wrote:
You really think that an online cup is harder than an offline tournaments with the worlds best players competing in it? Also if you'd actually watch mlg closely you'd know that the people you mentioned did not just go in 2-3 rounds in an mlg...
So he took a series of a clearly better player? Wow, you do realize how reatardetly young this game is? Just a year ago some random scrup got 3 rounds deep in a gsl by only doing marine/scv allins. Also where did MKP finish at hsc 4? Yeah right a lot higher than delphi, so to say that, even in that tournament, delphi was better than MKP is just straight up wrong, and saying that he is better in general is beyond stupid bro. If any of those players would ever make it out of the open bracket that might be impressive but just flying to every MLG isn't that impressive IMO. If Delphi would participate in every MLG do you honestly think he would do worse than ThisIsJimmy? Given that he'd be jetlagged and has about zero expirience in that kind of invorement (playing on the eps stage or at hsc and even playing from home is soooo much different from attending a mlg) yeah I could certainly see him finish worse than thisisjimmy, just based on brackets. Also I hope you know how stupid it is to just flame some random player you don't know much about, compare him to your favorite player who didn't get an invite, and then bitch at mlg about it. MLG probably had a really good reason for not inviting him, I doubt they based their invitations based on online cups and eps tournaments... I'm not a Delphi fan I'm just sad when people think that an MLG open bracket is more stacked than an online cup. Here's ThisIsJimmy's mlg providence run: Beat NamespaceSTD Beat fdsdfg Beat Kyoubro Lost to Shew Lost to PainUser Sounds really impressive imo I never talked about the quality of players I talked about the format, cups are online, mlg is offline and you seem to ignore/not care about the major difference between the two. MKP is pretty damn close to unbeatable if you let him play online, at live events he chockes a lot. MC was even in bw pretty good in practice (thus why MBC kept sending him out) but he had like a 1-10 record in PL thanks to nerves. Being able to perform online/in practice is not even close to equal to being able to perform at live events. Also I'm not even defending players like jimmy here or calling delphi bad, I just think it's really dumb to pick some player who you think is worse than your favorite player who didn't get an invite and start comparing the two and bitch at mlg for not inviting your favorite players. The list is what it is, and if MLG felt like delphi didn't deserve an invite for whatever reason than thats what it is, that doesn't mean that you need to start bashing other players that you think of as worse. Also atleast pick some EU players because NA invites are based of totally different stats than EU invites. Location: Germany... You're so incredibly biased I won't even bother arguing with you anymore. Hopefully that's Sarcasm, What Lorch posted makes sense. To some extend it does, but the online/offline-argument is weird, because EPS-playoffs are also offline. And NA/EU beeing judged by different stats is a bit weird ,too, it shouldn´t really matter from which server the players are, skill level should be more important. And there are many european players who aren´t invited, which I consider stronger, than american players, who are invited. If you want other examples; Bly, Syz, Happyzerg, Babyknight, ... I don´t know, if they were invited and just declined, but I knew that Delphi was not invited, so I chosed him as an example.
Are EPS playoffs in the sickest convention center with thousands of nerds wandering a round? Are they a ~300 man competition with the biggest live audience on the continent? Nah they are a bunch of games between 8 (?) players on a decent sized stages...
MLG based their invites on perfmance in MLG and other esports competitions, those are different on every continent so obviously the standard are different. Also it's not like mlg had 139 spots they filled, they sat down looked at stats from all across the world and came up with this list. The reason why NA has the strongest showing is due to MLG being an NA tournament, KR is that strong because thats where the best players are and I also feel like MLG has a strong interest in helping the KR sc2 scene which is still struggling vs brood war.
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I'm curious why SaSe decided to qualify from NA, is the difference in lag between NA>Korea still that much better than Europe>Korea or does he simply think the NA-players are easier?
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On January 28 2012 22:10 Tryxtira wrote:
is the difference in lag between NA>Korea still that much better than Europe>Korea or does he simply think the NA-players are easier?
both, i guess
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On January 28 2012 22:10 Tryxtira wrote:
I'm curious why SaSe decided to qualify from NA, is the difference in lag between NA>Korea still that much better than Europe>Korea or does he simply think the NA-players are easier?
Both but NA being easier is probably the biggest point here.
Also if they'd base invites of pure skill there'd be 120 koreans and 19 foreigners...
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