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- Nothing was ever said about potential beta announcements for HotS on March 9 Call - confirmed with Blizzard PR.
- The "50 Million Users" includes WoW, SC2, Call of Duty and other Activision games - its an Activision Blizzard financial call, so consider that they are talking to investors, and talking in broad numbers - not specific live concurrent users on a specific platform (bnet). When they say "we have 50 million users", that probably means every user who signed up for an ActiBlizz online service (think of all the console titles that are included).
- 50 million users is not a figure that Blizzard has ever claimed about bnet...think about it, there are ~10m WoW players. Do you think there are 40m SC2 players 0_o?
Straight from PR: Earnings calls are not a place where players should be waiting on pins and needles looking for something important to them – we would tell our players through other means first. Even the Q2 D3 mention in the earnings call was made on the Battle.net forums simultaneously or before the earnings call happened.
Really consider what matters to an investor - a specific beta release date? or general scheduling of products to predict stock prices etc?
tl;dr if there is important info for the community, like beta info, its going to come via a more community focused announcement (fb, bnet forum, press release, social media) with all the usual bells and whistles - not on a financial call for suits.
- Kennigit
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The Q4 2011 Earnings call will take place on February 9, at 1:30 PM PST, which brings us an update on the magical fairyland which is Blizzard for the final quarter of 2011 and a sneak peak into 2012. So if you are an obsessed Starcraft2 fan that is desperate hoping to get a release date of the expansion HOTS then by all means, join in to the call!
The week of the call may also bring us information on other upcoming releases, if there will be any announcement expect it before the call takes place. So In order to join in and find out just how much delayed HOTS will be all you need is to follow this link:http://investor.activision.com/eventdetail.cfm?eventid=108428
Summary from the call that relates to Starcraft II and Esports:
- No date or estimate when HotS will be released, It might be released during 2013, might be released today or just cancelled altogether. The usual.
More info about HotS March 9th, that's the only concrete thing regarding the Starcraft II expansion.
- Blizzard will take a more active role in Esports during 2012 (Might refer to the their newly created tournament)
Additional info regarding Diablo III and Wow since people asked for it:
- World of Warcraft now has 10.2M active subscribers.
- World of Warcraft lost 100,000 subscribers, down to 10.2 million. This was a total lost of 1.8 million for the year.
- There are ~50 million active Battle.net users.
- Diablo III should launch in Q2
- More than one million Annual Passes have been sold in the West.
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I'm interested to see how World of Warcraft is doing with some new MMO's coming out and SWTOR's success, should be interesting to see whats going on! Hopefully we can get a timeframe for when HotS is going to be released thats more up to date than a rough date from a while ago.
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Do they give the release dates of when the beta might be realeased too, do you know?
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Will be interested to see how many more subscribers dropped WoW. Maybe we will finally get the release date on D3
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A beta date should come out of this.
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Is there a chance they announce a D3 release date during the conference call?
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Even if they did it would not matter that much. Blizzard are infamous of taking the time it takes for a project to finish. The most notorious example was Warcraft3 that was delayed by 3 years, or Starcraft Ghost along with a Warcraft game which never got finished since they felt it was not the standard of Blizzard games.All the other releases of Blizzard has so far been delayed ( Wow exp, mists of pandaria and Diablo3).
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On January 30 2012 09:17 tsuxiit wrote:
A beta date should come out of this.
From experience listening to these things, they are incredibly boring power points about earnings. If I were a betting man, I'd put money on nothing of interest coming out unless you find Diablo 3's RMAH to be riveting listening material.
Save yourself the time and ignore it. Wait until after it's done and find any salvageable tidbits from the various fansites.
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On January 30 2012 09:25 urashimakt wrote:From experience listening to these things, they are incredibly boring power points about earnings. If I were a betting man, I'd put money on nothing of interest coming out unless you find Diablo 3's RMAH to be riveting listening material.
we should prank the call then 
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On January 30 2012 09:17 tsuxiit wrote:
A beta date should come out of this.
If you look at the last one:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=283801
You'll see that they barely put anything out there for us gamers, it's 99% financial information and stuff like "We're doing this soon, is expected to earn us this much money".
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Some things will be said about progress and release dates to satisfy the shareholders, giving out how far they are in the creation of the games are a big part of that, Just don't expect them to go "X will be released during YY in Feb" it will most likley be " Game X has been delayed another 3 months" or we forsee the game being released during the second quarter this year, or something along that line.
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If I recall, there was something useful that came out of the last conference call, so this might be worth listening to.
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On January 30 2012 09:29 motbob wrote:
If I recall, there was something useful that came out of the last conference call, so this might be worth listening to.
with emphasis on something  It has been proven to be interesting in the past. They do give out allot of stuff you don't normally hear about.
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Didn't sc2 beta get announced in one of these? I forget. I remember listening to one before sc2 came out though and being very happy.
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Will some record it or write down q annd a for those who miss it ,if so can we find it on teamlqiuid
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On January 30 2012 09:45 Shock710 wrote:
Will some record it or write down q annd a for those who miss it ,if so can we find it on teamlqiuid
There is always someone who posts the important to the TL community notes and other miscellany here
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On January 30 2012 09:30 Integra wrote:Show nested quote +On January 30 2012 09:29 motbob wrote:
If I recall, there was something useful that came out of the last conference call, so this might be worth listening to. with emphasis on something It has been proven to be interesting in the past. They do give out allot of stuff you don't normally hear about.
IIRC, Q3 conference call was just a rehash of what was said in Blizzcon, basically Panda expansion for WoW and Diablo III in early 2012. Exciting news for sure, but nothing breaking.
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yes im ready, nice music blizzard!
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Most important of all, I want a D3 release date
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I'm sure the best that can come out of this is a Q for beta (and possibly some stuff about their other games, but this is in the sc2 section after all).
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Some HOTS info would be great... I can't listen to it atm, but keep us updated!
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Anybody know the name of the music they are playing?
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why don't they play any of their awesome blizzard music? they have the rights...
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hopefully they come up with a D3 release date !
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Can anyone report up to date? Apparently you need to be in a company to listen in.
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On February 10 2012 06:34 AxelTVx wrote:
Can anyone report up to date? Apparently you need to be in a company to listen in.
No. Just put in 'none'.
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On February 10 2012 06:34 AxelTVx wrote:
Can anyone report up to date? Apparently you need to be in a company to listen in.
You can put anything in the form and you will be able to listen to the podcast.
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WoW STILL has 10.2 million subs? Holy cow.
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On February 10 2012 06:38 Zdrastochye wrote:
WoW STILL has 10.2 million subs? Holy cow.
Seems like that annual pass thing went pretty well 
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Ohhh, I feel like sitting back in high school listening to some boring shit I'm supposed to learn.. Only difference, this is such a boasting trolling.. ZZZzzzzz
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any new hots information? how long does this conference go???
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lol no mention of HoTS for "our next big titles"
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Diablo 3 this year, yeah baby.. :D
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No new info guys. Chill. Just alot of of boring intro talk atm.
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Yay! It's Arnold speaking!! :D
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"Multiple anticipated titles, including Diablo 3"...either panda-WoW or HotS would need to come out to make that "multiple"
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On February 10 2012 06:38 Zdrastochye wrote:
WoW STILL has 10.2 million subs? Holy cow.
I think this may be misleading. It says as of 12/31/11 whereas the numbers they gave for Modern Warfare were from 1/31/12... a month later. (1.5M elite subscribers)
As a shareholder, at first I was glad to see the number was still at 10.2, but then i noticed the older report date and was a little suspicious. The number does seem to have stopped falling though since last quarter though.
SWTOR came out 12/20... so if you played WoW up until then, you didn't cancel until after 12/31.
WoW is the gaming industry crown jewel, without it ATVI has a hard time commanding its current market cap. 10 million monthly re-occurring revenue customers is a phenomena not yet repeated in gaming.
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They still lost 100k subs in the strongest quarter of 2011 with the most casual friendly patch ever, the Mists of Pandaria announcement and the annual pass.
Not as much lost as in the other quarters of 2011 but wow subscriber base is steadily going down.
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It sounds like Arnold wtf hahaha
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On February 10 2012 06:45 Reason.SC2 wrote:
It sounds like Arnold wtf hahaha
haha. I was thinking the same.
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For those who haven't taken an accounting class in their life, but are still listening, their numbers are actually lower than 2010, but they had conservative projections for 2011, so they did "exceed their expectations" albeit by having a worse year than 2010.
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Is "skylanders" their new MMO? They just mentioned it as their new IP.
NVM I think it is an activision game. Yeah... google results in a spyro game.
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Tbh I expected a bigger loss with SWTOR coming to a market and boasting that they got 2million subs.
Guess those 2million where on their first month.
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On February 10 2012 06:47 stfouri wrote:
Tbh I expected a bigger loss with SWTOR coming to a market and boasting that they got 2million subs.
Guess those 2million where on their first month.
SWTOR came out 12/20... so if you played WoW up until then, you didn't cancel until after 12/31. I think Kotick is being coy...because they announced the sub for MW Elite up til 1/31.... but Wow only until 12/31.
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lol @ "New MMO"
ooh @ least 2 titles... WHICH ONESSS?
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On February 10 2012 06:47 DeltruS wrote:
Is "skylanders" their new MMO? They just mentioned it as their new IP.
NVM I think it is an activision game. Yeah... google results in a spyro game.
Here's the webpage:
http://www.skylanders.com/
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ARG!
"At least 2 titles, including Diablo 3"...obviously hedging their bets. Probably just release Blizzard DOTA if everything else gets pushed back  .
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gg HoTS
it will be in 2013...
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nooooooooooooooo!
no hots in 2012 =(
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I don't like how Q1 is significantly less than a fourth of their expected totals for 2012... Q1 Diablo 3 release is looking unlikely
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those bitches said it will be 8 months and hots should be out by now, i thought it would be kinda late summer but those crazy chicks are just too lazy... "ready when it's god enough" the campaing and story of wol wasn't good... at all....
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Could be waiting for Morhaime to announce HotS...they have repeatedly said 2 titles. D3 is old news...makes sense for the CEO to make the hard annoncement RE: HotS.
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is it official that hots is 2013?
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"If Blizzard released more than 2 titles..." listed as a possible
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On February 10 2012 06:52 Reason.SC2 wrote:I don't like how Q1 is significantly less than a fourth of their expected totals for 2012... Q1 Diablo 3 release is looking unlikely
Generally, they announce a date 1 to 3 months before release. It's now mid-February, so a 2nd quarter release would be in that range even if they announced a date next week.
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On February 10 2012 06:50 Apollo324 wrote:ARG! "At least 2 titles, including Diablo 3"...obviously hedging their bets. Probably just release Blizzard DOTA if everything else gets pushed back .
Aye. Either DOTA or that expansion blizzard is planning for WoW.
I guess this means we wont see LotV until... 2016?17?
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On February 10 2012 06:54 Denda Reloaded wrote:
is it official that hots is 2013?
nah he just said it's possible that blizz could have more then 2 titles in 2012
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OMG! So frustrating... I can't get it to work! I click on media player and a white window just pops up and nothing happens... has anything else been said other than hots being pushed to 2k13?
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Did I just hear "no front line releases in the first quarter of 2012"?
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On February 10 2012 06:45 dsousa wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2012 06:38 Zdrastochye wrote:
WoW STILL has 10.2 million subs? Holy cow. I think this may be misleading. It says as of 12/31/11 whereas the numbers they gave for Modern Warfare were from 1/31/12... a month later. (1.5M elite subscribers) As a shareholder, at first I was glad to see the number was still at 10.2, but then i noticed the older report date and was a little suspicious. The number does seem to have stopped falling though since last quarter though. SWTOR came out 12/20... so if you played WoW up until then, you didn't cancel until after 12/31. WoW is the gaming industry crown jewel, without it ATVI has a hard time commanding its current market cap. 10 million monthly re-occurring revenue customers is a phenomena not yet repeated in gaming.
Take this FWIW, but my brother (who's way into the MMO scene) always says the number of paying subscribers is closer to half that number. He says they inflate it with free offers, counting accounts which aren't currently paying, and a bunch of other tricks. However, I'd love to hear more informed people talk on the subject.
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What the fuck, how can they possibly justify a delay to 2013? How hard can it be to whip out a silly little campaign?
They had a lot to show back at Blizzcon, its half a year later and they say one year isn't enough to release it? Jesus...
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On February 10 2012 06:55 Sverigevader wrote:
Did I just hear "no front line releases in the first quarter of 2012"?
Yes, map pack only for MW on xbox in Q1. Fun fun :D lmao
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I wonder if these guys talking to the shareholders play any games themselves...
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On February 10 2012 06:55 NewK wrote:
OMG! So frustrating... I can't get it to work! I click on media player and a white window just pops up and nothing happens...
has anything else been said other than hots being pushed to 2k13?
who cares, if they're right we are more than a year away from it, so we all better don't give a fuck about it. better things to do than wait 2 and a half year for some 30, oh no sry, 20 missions with bad storyline...
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Robert Clotworthy has been recording VA work for Jim Raynor as recently as last week (source, his twitter). I have trouble believing he would record for a game that would come out a year later.
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No Diablo 3 in march
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It's funny cos even IF they give out some exact dates, they are NEVER on time anyway, so who cares.
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On February 10 2012 06:56 -_- wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2012 06:45 dsousa wrote:On February 10 2012 06:38 Zdrastochye wrote:
WoW STILL has 10.2 million subs? Holy cow. I think this may be misleading. It says as of 12/31/11 whereas the numbers they gave for Modern Warfare were from 1/31/12... a month later. (1.5M elite subscribers) As a shareholder, at first I was glad to see the number was still at 10.2, but then i noticed the older report date and was a little suspicious. The number does seem to have stopped falling though since last quarter though. SWTOR came out 12/20... so if you played WoW up until then, you didn't cancel until after 12/31. WoW is the gaming industry crown jewel, without it ATVI has a hard time commanding its current market cap. 10 million monthly re-occurring revenue customers is a phenomena not yet repeated in gaming. Take this FWIW, but my brother (who's way into the MMO scene) always says the number of paying subscribers is closer to half that number. He says they inflate it with free offers, counting accounts which aren't currently paying, and a bunch of other tricks. However, I'd love to hear more informed people talk on the subject.
Well, ya a lot of them are in china and pay for time not monthly.... whatever the number though, its the biggest revenue engine in gaming and ATVI needs it to keep going strong.
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they did not used the word "starcraft 2" until now, so we will see
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?? Did they even say 2013? It sounds like people are just assuming things.
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On February 10 2012 06:57 Denda Reloaded wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2012 06:55 NewK wrote:
OMG! So frustrating... I can't get it to work! I click on media player and a white window just pops up and nothing happens...
has anything else been said other than hots being pushed to 2k13? who cares, if they're right we are more than a year away from it, so we all better don't give a fuck about it. better things to do than wait 2 and a half year for some 30, oh no sry, 20 missions with bad storyline...
The majority of the players doesn't buy sc2 for the campaign, lol.
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On February 10 2012 06:55 Sverigevader wrote:
Did I just hear "no front line releases in the first quarter of 2012"?
Yes, but they were talking about the activision franchises, not blizz.
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On February 10 2012 06:58 oxxo wrote:
?? Did they even say 2013? It sounds like people are just assuming things.
People are assuming things.
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blizzard is late with hots anyway... they said 8 months after wol is released, i don't see shit announced...
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Waiting for StarCraft 2. I'm getting excited for some reason...
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seems like everything is about call of duty for activation now
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On February 10 2012 06:57 Denda Reloaded wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2012 06:55 NewK wrote:
OMG! So frustrating... I can't get it to work! I click on media player and a white window just pops up and nothing happens...
has anything else been said other than hots being pushed to 2k13? who cares, if they're right we are more than a year away from it, so we all better don't give a fuck about it. better things to do than wait 2 and a half year for some 30, oh no sry, 20 missions with bad storyline...
All of them Zergs want burrowed baneling movement.
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On February 10 2012 06:56 -_- wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2012 06:45 dsousa wrote:On February 10 2012 06:38 Zdrastochye wrote:
WoW STILL has 10.2 million subs? Holy cow. I think this may be misleading. It says as of 12/31/11 whereas the numbers they gave for Modern Warfare were from 1/31/12... a month later. (1.5M elite subscribers) As a shareholder, at first I was glad to see the number was still at 10.2, but then i noticed the older report date and was a little suspicious. The number does seem to have stopped falling though since last quarter though. SWTOR came out 12/20... so if you played WoW up until then, you didn't cancel until after 12/31. WoW is the gaming industry crown jewel, without it ATVI has a hard time commanding its current market cap. 10 million monthly re-occurring revenue customers is a phenomena not yet repeated in gaming. Take this FWIW, but my brother (who's way into the MMO scene) always says the number of paying subscribers is closer to half that number. He says they inflate it with free offers, counting accounts which aren't currently paying, and a bunch of other tricks. However, I'd love to hear more informed people talk on the subject.
As a person in a guild of 150+ members, I'd say that the numbers probably are stable(at whatever the ACTUAL number is). I can only count a few people that stopped playing and we had MANY people start playing SWTOR... but they still never canceled their wow subs and play both actively. So, at least from my own personal small sample size... 150-member guild... 3 people have quit and we've even picked up a couple members who started playing again(re-subscribers). WoW players are a dedicated bunch.. lol
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"starting the evolution of a new bungee universe..." acha
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On February 10 2012 06:58 oxxo wrote:
?? Did they even say 2013? It sounds like people are just assuming things.
No, they didn't, they just said that they're expecting 2 new releases for blizz in 2012. One of them is Diablo 3, the other is speculated to likely be the WoW expansion or blizzard Dota instead of HotS
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On February 10 2012 06:58 Reason.SC2 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2012 06:55 Sverigevader wrote:
Did I just hear "no front line releases in the first quarter of 2012"? Yes, but they were talking about the activision franchises, not blizz.
They ment both, they also mentioned Blizz revenue would be down vs Q1 last year because of the release of Cataclysm and lower subscriber numbers.
Nothing in the coming quarter unless a MW map pack for xbox floats your boat.
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On February 10 2012 06:56 Bagi wrote:
What the fuck, how can they possibly justify a delay to 2013? How hard can it be to whip out a silly little campaign?
They had a lot to show back at Blizzcon, its half a year later and they say one year isn't enough to release it? Jesus...
Cause they realized just how broken every unit they demoed was and now have to completely redesign them to not destroy what little balance there is
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On February 10 2012 07:01 NotSorry wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2012 06:56 Bagi wrote:
What the fuck, how can they possibly justify a delay to 2013? How hard can it be to whip out a silly little campaign?
They had a lot to show back at Blizzcon, its half a year later and they say one year isn't enough to release it? Jesus... Cause they realized just how broken every unit they demoed was and now have to completely redesign them to not destroy what little balance there is
"what little balance there is" nice joke? wings of liberty is quite balanced.
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no news about hots???!?!??????!
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free to play, microtransaction call of duty game for china? wtf lol
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On February 10 2012 06:58 Reason.SC2 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2012 06:55 Sverigevader wrote:
Did I just hear "no front line releases in the first quarter of 2012"? Yes, but they were talking about the activision franchises, not blizz.
Yeah I suspected that. But wasn't sure so I thought that it's better to ask than to spread stupid shit
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The conference call is very difficult to listen to... I'm allergic to corporate bullshit.
Activision is currently pumping up how "great" Call of Duty is and how it's the savoir of the industry.
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I'd expect D3 during Q2, HotS during Q3 and Pandas in december or pushed to 2013. So far the WoW expansions have been pretty close to 2 years apart and cataclysm came in december 2010. At least their pace in creating patch content hasn't increased so I wouldn't expect an expansion to come any faster either. So D3, HotS during 2012 with possibly Pandaria coming too.
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holy crap stop crying people who are not listening it's activision talk right now
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I love listening to these calls, they give me an idea of how i should write my over the top assignment breifs :D
Taking a guess i'd say HOTS beta will come in 2012 but it probably wont release until 2013 TT
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On February 10 2012 07:03 gnatinator wrote:
The conference call is very difficult to listen to... I'm allergic to corporate bullshit.
Activision is currently pumping up how "great" Call of Duty is and how it's the savoir of the industry.
The conference call isn't for you, it's for shareholders. Shareholders couldn't care less about the quality of games, just the bottom line. Sad but true
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I think Kotick will have to learn a lesson there. He's been holding two cash cows after his merger went through and his approach to never create new franchises except if he sees annual sequel potential means he'll be more than challenged when coming up with the next one after WoW dies in the next 1-2 years (at least in NA/EU). CoD alone can't carry everything and will eventually have to be retired, too. Kotick wanted to take the fun out of making games and he seems to have succeeded in many ways...that's not how you get the young, hungry, innovative talent my boy. Play your own games for once...
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There are several reasons to delay the game, one of them being that the multiplayer portion of the game is simply not ready to be deployed. Another good reason is that with the release of Diablo 3 and presumably Mists of Pandaria in 2012, Blizzard risks cannibalizing their own products by having too many releases at once. I don't see a strong pipeline for them in 2013 unless a D3 expansion or LotV is already in the works so that's justification for them to hold back a release.
You guys do realize that an earnings call is to report on a company's financial performance and to the extent that it's relevant, their upcoming products, not to cater to the demands of gamers per se. Don't expect any major release dates or entertainment value here.
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Wouldn't it make more sense for HOTS to come out in 2012 and Diablo 3 to be released in 2013 if there's only two? I mean, SC2 is just adding content and balancing it while Diablo is actually constructing a game from the bottom up. o_O
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On February 10 2012 07:04 Teddyman wrote:
I'd expect D3 during Q2, HotS during Q3 and Pandas in december or pushed to 2013. So far the WoW expansions have been pretty close to 2 years apart and cataclysm came in december 2010. At least their pace in creating patch content hasn't increased so I wouldn't expect an expansion to come any faster either. So D3, HotS during 2012 with possibly Pandaria coming too.
Dragon Soul is the last raid of Cata
Blizz wont leave them alone with that content for a whole year
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On February 10 2012 07:05 noodlesinsoup wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2012 07:03 gnatinator wrote:
The conference call is very difficult to listen to... I'm allergic to corporate bullshit.
Activision is currently pumping up how "great" Call of Duty is and how it's the savoir of the industry. The conference call isn't for you, it's for shareholders. Shareholders couldn't care less about the quality of games, just the bottom line.
Congratulations, you've just summed up the problem with the games industry, and society as a whole right now.
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On February 10 2012 06:57 CuteZergling wrote:
Robert Clotworthy has been recording VA work for Jim Raynor as recently as last week (source, his twitter). I have trouble believing he would record for a game that would come out a year later.
A typical animated feature film (and I've worked on a few, so I know) records voices as long as two to three years before release. It takes a LONG TIME to do all the character animation that requires that voice recording as a starting point. Game cinematics are the same.
As for the guy who commented on "whipping out a campaign," here are some things they have to do that you may not have thought about:
* Writing/rewriting the story.
* Voice recording.
* Animation, lighting, and developing art assets for the in-game cinematics.
* Production of pre-rendered cinematics.
* Repeating the last four.
* Game systems software development to support new units and game mechanics.
* Game design for new units and game mechanics.
* Art design for new units and game mechanics.
* Playtesting of new units and game mechanics.
* Repeat the previous four *over and over*.
* Branching and stabilizing the code for a beta test.
* Branching and stabilizing the code for demos at this or that convention.
* Game design for campaign levels.
* Art design for campaign levels.
* Playtesting campaign levels.
And that's just the game development.
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On February 10 2012 07:03 Reason.SC2 wrote:
free to play, microtransaction call of duty game for china? wtf lol
To compete with Cross Fire, which is INSANELY popular in China.
http://crossfire.z8games.com/
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On February 10 2012 07:01 NotSorry wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2012 06:56 Bagi wrote:
What the fuck, how can they possibly justify a delay to 2013? How hard can it be to whip out a silly little campaign?
They had a lot to show back at Blizzcon, its half a year later and they say one year isn't enough to release it? Jesus... Cause they realized just how broken every unit they demoed was and now have to completely redesign them to not destroy what little balance there is
I could understand if this was the case.
More importantly: I could understand if they wanted to redesign some aspects of the game like they did in TFT by revamping the entire armor system. I'm looking at protoss naturally, break the fucking deathball already and re-balance warpgates as an option instead of just always being superior.
If they release HOTS in 2013 and it brings nothing but a handful of new units, I won't be impressed.
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On February 10 2012 07:05 1sz2sz3sz wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2012 07:04 Teddyman wrote:
I'd expect D3 during Q2, HotS during Q3 and Pandas in december or pushed to 2013. So far the WoW expansions have been pretty close to 2 years apart and cataclysm came in december 2010. At least their pace in creating patch content hasn't increased so I wouldn't expect an expansion to come any faster either. So D3, HotS during 2012 with possibly Pandaria coming too. Dragon Soul is the last raid of Cata Blizz wont leave them alone with that content for a whole year
They did it with ICC, but aparently they want more frequent content patches and expansions now, but honestly i can't see that happening
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On February 10 2012 07:03 Reason.SC2 wrote:
free to play, microtransaction call of duty game for china? wtf lol
China has crazy potential at the moment, especially for (relatively) low graphics, highly accessible games.
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HotS and LoV in 2012
D3 and Pandarea in 2013
You hear it first
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On February 10 2012 07:05 1sz2sz3sz wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2012 07:04 Teddyman wrote:
I'd expect D3 during Q2, HotS during Q3 and Pandas in december or pushed to 2013. So far the WoW expansions have been pretty close to 2 years apart and cataclysm came in december 2010. At least their pace in creating patch content hasn't increased so I wouldn't expect an expansion to come any faster either. So D3, HotS during 2012 with possibly Pandaria coming too. Dragon Soul is the last raid of Cata Blizz wont leave them alone with that content for a whole year
Blizzard has stated themselves that they are doing expansions every 1.5 years now instead of 2 years.
That would put the expansion during/end of summer 2012.
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On February 10 2012 07:05 1sz2sz3sz wrote:
Blizz wont leave them alone with that content for a whole year
BT lasted a solid year or more at the end of Burning Crusade before they released Sunwell to tide people over.
ICC lasted a solid year at the end of Wrath.
So yes, they very well might leave people farming Dragon Soul for a solid year.
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Oh also, if anyone could clearly update anything of importance regarding Starcraft if they get to it, I would thank you. I can't listen to the call right now.
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On February 10 2012 07:05 1sz2sz3sz wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2012 07:04 Teddyman wrote:
I'd expect D3 during Q2, HotS during Q3 and Pandas in december or pushed to 2013. So far the WoW expansions have been pretty close to 2 years apart and cataclysm came in december 2010. At least their pace in creating patch content hasn't increased so I wouldn't expect an expansion to come any faster either. So D3, HotS during 2012 with possibly Pandaria coming too. Dragon Soul is the last raid of Cata Blizz wont leave them alone with that content for a whole year
Happened in WoTLK.
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Diablo 3: "Targeting Q2 launch" sigh
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tagetting Q2 = Q4 maybe.
/sigh
if guild wars 2 hits before d3, it may be hard to justify splitting my precious 'casual' gaming time. My hardcore time already goes to dota2.
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NEXT BLIZZ CON 2013? NO 2012?
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Blizzard to take a more active role in SC2 esports in 2012. Uh oh.
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On February 10 2012 06:59 Denda Reloaded wrote:
blizzard is late with hots anyway... they said 8 months after wol is released, i don't see shit announced...
No they said they planned on releasing the new expansions 18 months apart about, not 8 months. But if you think it would be even 18 months you are silly
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Can someone clarify the timeframe of Quarter 2 please?
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On February 10 2012 07:10 CuteZergling wrote:
Can someone clarify the timeframe of Quarter 2 please?
april-june
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On February 10 2012 07:11 ChuCky.Ca wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2012 07:10 CuteZergling wrote:
Can someone clarify the timeframe of Quarter 2 please? april-june
Thank you.
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On February 10 2012 07:10 CuteZergling wrote:
Can someone clarify the timeframe of Quarter 2 please?
April - June I believ? Q1 should be jan - march, Q2 should be april - june, Q3 should be july - september with Q4 being october - december unless I am mistaken.
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Blizzard getting more "active" in eSports sounds interessting. the tournament in asia at the end of the year surely is part of this. (but hopefully not all)
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On February 10 2012 07:09 Apollo324 wrote:
NEXT BLIZZ CON 2013? NO 2012?
yup. only bnet championships in 2012.
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On February 10 2012 07:07 Jenia6109 wrote:
HotS and LoV in 2012
D3 and Pandarea in 2013
You hear it first
if u change the years then yes
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May-August would be ActiBlizz financial Q2
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On February 10 2012 07:06 Lysenko wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2012 06:57 CuteZergling wrote:
Robert Clotworthy has been recording VA work for Jim Raynor as recently as last week (source, his twitter). I have trouble believing he would record for a game that would come out a year later. A typical animated feature film (and I've worked on a few, so I know) records voices as long as two to three years before release. It takes a LONG TIME to do all the character animation that requires that voice recording as a starting point. Game cinematics are the same. As for the guy who commented on "whipping out a campaign," here are some things they have to do that you may not have thought about: ... And that's just the game development.
Oh you think making a game is a lot of work? Gee, never would've thought of that.
Yet here they are, 1,5 years later after the release of WOL saying one more year isn't enough to complete HOTS. After all, its just an expansion pack which means they can use the existing tools and experience to create the levels. Do you really think it takes nearly 3 years to do voice-over work and some cinematics? 3 years to test a fucking single player level when you already should have a pretty decent grip on how to balance them?
WOL they were making from the ground up, so I can understand why it would take multiple years to complete. However, WOL now creates a framework where they can expand upon with HOTS and somehow it takes nearly as much as time as it took to make WOL to accomplish that? When you still have one expansion pack queued up afterwards? What the flying fuck?
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On February 10 2012 07:03 gnatinator wrote:
The conference call is very difficult to listen to... I'm allergic to corporate bullshit.
It's not "corporate bullshit", it's "finance and accounting". Companies need to be profitable, and this is how they track and forecast financial performance. Wouldn't hurt to learn something about the real world every now and then.
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On February 10 2012 07:12 AxelTVx wrote:
YES!! A Q2 Launch!!
Sarcasm? If not, I'm jealous of your optimism. They also reported q3/q4 2011 launch.
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wait, what? Blizzard DotA will be free to play without having SC2? Did not realise that so far Oo
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Lol, well that was approximately no information.
D3 Q2, HotS ??, BlizzDOTA ??
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On February 10 2012 07:13 crms wrote:Sarcasm? If not, I'm jealous of your optimism. They also reported q3/q4 2011 launch.
Oh I was talking about D3 lmao...
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On February 10 2012 07:08 Lysenko wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2012 07:05 1sz2sz3sz wrote:
Blizz wont leave them alone with that content for a whole year BT lasted a solid year or more at the end of Burning Crusade before they released Sunwell to tide people over. ICC lasted a solid year at the end of Wrath. So yes, they very well might leave people farming Dragon Soul for a solid year.
They said that they will release expansions faster
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On February 10 2012 07:14 ThaZenith wrote:
Lol, well that was approximately no information.
D3 Q2, HotS ??, BlizzDOTA ??
are you surprised..................... like everyone said its 99% financial talk do you live under a rock
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Well, at least new HotS info by March 9th
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On February 10 2012 07:15 ChuCky.Ca wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2012 07:14 ThaZenith wrote:
Lol, well that was approximately no information.
D3 Q2, HotS ??, BlizzDOTA ?? are you surprised..................... like everyone said its 99% financial talk do you live under a rock
Didn't say I was surprised. I can read, and no I live in a residence at a university. Nice guesses though.
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On February 10 2012 07:14 AxelTVx wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2012 07:13 crms wrote:On February 10 2012 07:12 AxelTVx wrote:
YES!! A Q2 Launch!! Sarcasm? If not, I'm jealous of your optimism. They also reported q3/q4 2011 launch. Oh I was talking about D3 lmao...
So am I.
The originally targetted a late Q3 2011 release, then it was late Q4 2011 release, then Early Q1 2012 release.. now Q2 2012 release.
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On January 22 2012 00:17 Atlare wrote:
I'm interested to see how World of Warcraft is doing with some new MMO's coming out and SWTOR's success, should be interesting to see whats going on! Hopefully we can get a timeframe for when HotS is going to be released thats more up to date than a rough date from a while ago.
Swtor was released dec 20 and this Q4 represents subscription numbers until Dec 31. The real answer for wow subs should be in the q1 press conference.
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More info about HotS March 9th, that's the only concrete thing regarding the Starcraft II expansion.
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On February 10 2012 07:17 Integra wrote:
More info about HotS March 9th, that's the only concrete thing regarding the Starcraft II expansion.
Well, it's better than nothing.
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blizzard to take a more active role in 2012 esports
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On February 10 2012 07:17 Integra wrote:
More info about HotS March 9th, that's the only concrete thing regarding the Starcraft II expansion.
Isn't that when Blizzards media day or whatever it is called starts regarding MoP?
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I guess we got an announcement of an announcement, not bad!
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"The company's first quarter 2012 outlook does not incorporate a new release from Blizzard Entertainment, but its calendar year 2012 outlook anticipates AT LEAST two releases from Blizzard Entertainment"
Diablo 3 - Target Q2 (lol!)
WoW:MoP - Summer 2012
That means there is very high chance that HoTS will NOT be released this year, beta will probably last for 3-4 months then ~2 month break between end of beta and release, and beta wont start before WoW:MoP beta ends (around May-June), so easy math and if they doesn't have any delays (it Blizzard ofc they will lol) then it should be released in December, otherwise 2013.
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On February 10 2012 07:18 mewbert wrote:
blizzard to take a more active role in 2012 esports
This could either be really good or really bad.
Really bad seems the most likely.
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On February 10 2012 07:17 Integra wrote:
More info about HotS March 9th, that's the only concrete thing regarding the Starcraft II expansion.
Is that really what they said? If so, fine by me! Can't wait!!
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On February 10 2012 07:17 Integra wrote:
More info about HotS March 9th, that's the only concrete thing regarding the Starcraft II expansion.
no, he didn't say "in one month", he said more info coming within the upcoming month.
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On February 10 2012 07:21 Bulkers wrote:
"The company's first quarter 2012 outlook does not incorporate a new release from Blizzard Entertainment, but its calendar year 2012 outlook anticipates AT LEAST two releases from Blizzard Entertainment"
Diablo 3 - Target Q2 (lol!)
WoW:MoP - Summer 2012
That means there is very high chance that HoTS will NOT be released this year, beta will probably last for 3-4 months then ~2 month break between end of beta and release, and beta wont start before WoW:MoP beta ends (around May-June), so easy math and if they doesn't have any delays (it Blizzard ofc they will lol) then it should be released in December, otherwise 2013.
there is no way that hots will be released before the next blizzcon imo.... its blizzard time
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You can honestly see which investment firms are involved with substantial amounts of money or not here if you just look at how intelligent/dumb the questions are^^
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I love these things.
You may ask ONE question then we will mute you
Everyone asks 4 questions.
lol
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lol, when they split Sc2 into 3 games they told us they want to bring out every year a game.. so in summer WOL is out 2 years... damn
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On February 10 2012 07:22 Spicy_Curry wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2012 07:21 Bulkers wrote:
"The company's first quarter 2012 outlook does not incorporate a new release from Blizzard Entertainment, but its calendar year 2012 outlook anticipates AT LEAST two releases from Blizzard Entertainment"
Diablo 3 - Target Q2 (lol!)
WoW:MoP - Summer 2012
That means there is very high chance that HoTS will NOT be released this year, beta will probably last for 3-4 months then ~2 month break between end of beta and release, and beta wont start before WoW:MoP beta ends (around May-June), so easy math and if they doesn't have any delays (it Blizzard ofc they will lol) then it should be released in December, otherwise 2013. there is no way that hots will be released before the next blizzcon imo.... its blizzard time
The next blizzcon is in 2013. That would be sick if they haven't released it by then
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On February 10 2012 07:21 Bulkers wrote:
"The company's first quarter 2012 outlook does not incorporate a new release from Blizzard Entertainment, but its calendar year 2012 outlook anticipates AT LEAST two releases from Blizzard Entertainment"
Diablo 3 - Target Q2 (lol!)
WoW:MoP - Summer 2012
That means there is very high chance that HoTS will NOT be released this year, beta will probably last for 3-4 months then ~2 month break between end of beta and release, and beta wont start before WoW:MoP beta ends (around May-June), so easy math and if they doesn't have any delays (it Blizzard ofc they will lol) then it should be released in December, otherwise 2013.
You are just guessing. According to a blizz guy on twitter, MoP is far from release.
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It's kind of baffling how people think HotS will take at least 1 year more than their 18 months estimate but fully believe that a WoW expansion can't take more than 18 months because years ago they said they would like to release those that often.
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Updated the OP with the information that was being said on the call.
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On February 10 2012 07:26 Teddyman wrote:
It's kind of baffling how people think HotS will take at least 1 year more than their 18 months estimate but fully believe that a WoW expansion can't take more than 18 months because years ago they said they would like to release those that often.
They don't want to release an expansion of SC2 yet. They have chosen to let the existing balance survive for longer while trying to grow esports with SC2.
I think its good for the SC2 esports scene.... because an expansion will only mess up a good thing. Why rush it.
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On February 10 2012 07:26 Teddyman wrote:
It's kind of baffling how people think HotS will take at least 1 year more than their 18 months estimate but fully believe that a WoW expansion can't take more than 18 months because years ago they said they would like to release those that often.
The difference is that WoW represents a LOT more money for blizzard than sc2, and is reaching the end of its life cycle, so they have much more incentive to keep people playing for a little while.
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WoL is imba... and Protoss needs innovation....
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Curious about WoW figures / plans.
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On February 10 2012 07:24 Bareleon wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2012 07:21 Bulkers wrote:
"The company's first quarter 2012 outlook does not incorporate a new release from Blizzard Entertainment, but its calendar year 2012 outlook anticipates AT LEAST two releases from Blizzard Entertainment"
Diablo 3 - Target Q2 (lol!)
WoW:MoP - Summer 2012
That means there is very high chance that HoTS will NOT be released this year, beta will probably last for 3-4 months then ~2 month break between end of beta and release, and beta wont start before WoW:MoP beta ends (around May-June), so easy math and if they doesn't have any delays (it Blizzard ofc they will lol) then it should be released in December, otherwise 2013. You are just guessing. According to a blizz guy on twitter, MoP is far from release.
I just analyze what he said, "at least" two releases in 2012 are indicating that HoTS might not be released in 2012.
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The Idea that HotS beta will come soon keeps me to play SC2
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I missed the beginning. Did they ever mention how many subs they lost in WoW the final quarter of 2011?
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On February 10 2012 07:28 dsousa wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2012 07:26 Teddyman wrote:
It's kind of baffling how people think HotS will take at least 1 year more than their 18 months estimate but fully believe that a WoW expansion can't take more than 18 months because years ago they said they would like to release those that often. They don't want to release an expansion of SC2 yet. They have chosen to let the existing balance survive for longer while trying to grow esports with SC2. I think its good for the SC2 esports scene.... because an expansion will only mess up a good thing. Why rush it.
HoTS WILL grow esports and I doubt the pros will switch over right away, they wanna finish up any tournys or upcoming tourneys for WoL first. So because of that, they should release it in 2012. And DB said by April 2012 (well, he said in March 2011, the development should be done in a year) it should be pretty much done
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On February 10 2012 07:11 blade55555 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2012 07:10 CuteZergling wrote:
Can someone clarify the timeframe of Quarter 2 please? April - June I believ? Q1 should be jan - march, Q2 should be april - june, Q3 should be july - september with Q4 being october - december unless I am mistaken.
Sorry to burst everyones bubble but are they not referring to the fiscal year of 2012 in these conference calls? And as far as I know the fiscal calender starts in March. So fiscally speaking Q1 is March - May and Q2 is June-August.
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On February 10 2012 07:31 Bulkers wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2012 07:24 Bareleon wrote:On February 10 2012 07:21 Bulkers wrote:
"The company's first quarter 2012 outlook does not incorporate a new release from Blizzard Entertainment, but its calendar year 2012 outlook anticipates AT LEAST two releases from Blizzard Entertainment"
Diablo 3 - Target Q2 (lol!)
WoW:MoP - Summer 2012
That means there is very high chance that HoTS will NOT be released this year, beta will probably last for 3-4 months then ~2 month break between end of beta and release, and beta wont start before WoW:MoP beta ends (around May-June), so easy math and if they doesn't have any delays (it Blizzard ofc they will lol) then it should be released in December, otherwise 2013. You are just guessing. According to a blizz guy on twitter, MoP is far from release. I just analyze what he said, "at least" two releases in 2012 are indicating that HoTS might not be released in 2012.
I highly doubt they will count dota as a one of the two releases. So I am still banking on 2012 for hots. And I doubt we will get dota free in a patch with WoL, we will more than likely have to pay for hots to play dota. So it will be released with hots is what I am guessing.
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On February 10 2012 07:29 Jetaap wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2012 07:26 Teddyman wrote:
It's kind of baffling how people think HotS will take at least 1 year more than their 18 months estimate but fully believe that a WoW expansion can't take more than 18 months because years ago they said they would like to release those that often. The difference is that WoW represents a LOT more money for blizzard than sc2, and is reaching the end of its life cycle, so they have much more incentive to keep people playing for a little while.
EQ is going free to play this month after 13 years as a subscription MMO. EQ never had even a tenth of the players WoW has so I'd expect WoW to keep bringing in the money until 2020. The "closest competitor", SWTOR, sold 2M and now the server load is about half of what it was back at launch so that can't be taking too many subs any more.
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I hope there's a lot of yelling at Activision for tanking their franchises.
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On February 10 2012 07:35 Bareleon wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2012 07:31 Bulkers wrote:On February 10 2012 07:24 Bareleon wrote:On February 10 2012 07:21 Bulkers wrote:
"The company's first quarter 2012 outlook does not incorporate a new release from Blizzard Entertainment, but its calendar year 2012 outlook anticipates AT LEAST two releases from Blizzard Entertainment"
Diablo 3 - Target Q2 (lol!)
WoW:MoP - Summer 2012
That means there is very high chance that HoTS will NOT be released this year, beta will probably last for 3-4 months then ~2 month break between end of beta and release, and beta wont start before WoW:MoP beta ends (around May-June), so easy math and if they doesn't have any delays (it Blizzard ofc they will lol) then it should be released in December, otherwise 2013. You are just guessing. According to a blizz guy on twitter, MoP is far from release. I just analyze what he said, "at least" two releases in 2012 are indicating that HoTS might not be released in 2012. I highly doubt they will count dota as a one of the two releases. So I am still banking on 2012 for hots. And I doubt we will get dota free in a patch with WoL, we will more than likely have to pay for hots to play dota. So it will be released with hots is what I am guessing.
2 releases are Diablo 3 and WoW:MoP
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On February 10 2012 07:36 Teddyman wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2012 07:29 Jetaap wrote:On February 10 2012 07:26 Teddyman wrote:
It's kind of baffling how people think HotS will take at least 1 year more than their 18 months estimate but fully believe that a WoW expansion can't take more than 18 months because years ago they said they would like to release those that often. The difference is that WoW represents a LOT more money for blizzard than sc2, and is reaching the end of its life cycle, so they have much more incentive to keep people playing for a little while. EQ is going free to play this month after 13 years as a subscription MMO. EQ never had even a tenth of the players WoW has so I'd expect WoW to keep bringing in the money until 2020. The "closest competitor", SWTOR, sold 2M and now the server load is about half of what it was back at launch so that can't be taking too many subs any more.
perfectly said i got swtor played the free month loved the game but just lost my interest somehow
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On February 10 2012 07:38 Bulkers wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2012 07:35 Bareleon wrote:On February 10 2012 07:31 Bulkers wrote:On February 10 2012 07:24 Bareleon wrote:On February 10 2012 07:21 Bulkers wrote:
"The company's first quarter 2012 outlook does not incorporate a new release from Blizzard Entertainment, but its calendar year 2012 outlook anticipates AT LEAST two releases from Blizzard Entertainment"
Diablo 3 - Target Q2 (lol!)
WoW:MoP - Summer 2012
That means there is very high chance that HoTS will NOT be released this year, beta will probably last for 3-4 months then ~2 month break between end of beta and release, and beta wont start before WoW:MoP beta ends (around May-June), so easy math and if they doesn't have any delays (it Blizzard ofc they will lol) then it should be released in December, otherwise 2013. You are just guessing. According to a blizz guy on twitter, MoP is far from release. I just analyze what he said, "at least" two releases in 2012 are indicating that HoTS might not be released in 2012. I highly doubt they will count dota as a one of the two releases. So I am still banking on 2012 for hots. And I doubt we will get dota free in a patch with WoL, we will more than likely have to pay for hots to play dota. So it will be released with hots is what I am guessing. 2 releases are Diablo 3 and WoW:MoP
I know you really want your MoP but I read from a blizz guy on twitter that it is far from release.
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who needs WoW.. waste of time
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On February 10 2012 07:38 Bulkers wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2012 07:35 Bareleon wrote:On February 10 2012 07:31 Bulkers wrote:On February 10 2012 07:24 Bareleon wrote:On February 10 2012 07:21 Bulkers wrote:
"The company's first quarter 2012 outlook does not incorporate a new release from Blizzard Entertainment, but its calendar year 2012 outlook anticipates AT LEAST two releases from Blizzard Entertainment"
Diablo 3 - Target Q2 (lol!)
WoW:MoP - Summer 2012
That means there is very high chance that HoTS will NOT be released this year, beta will probably last for 3-4 months then ~2 month break between end of beta and release, and beta wont start before WoW:MoP beta ends (around May-June), so easy math and if they doesn't have any delays (it Blizzard ofc they will lol) then it should be released in December, otherwise 2013. You are just guessing. According to a blizz guy on twitter, MoP is far from release. I just analyze what he said, "at least" two releases in 2012 are indicating that HoTS might not be released in 2012. I highly doubt they will count dota as a one of the two releases. So I am still banking on 2012 for hots. And I doubt we will get dota free in a patch with WoL, we will more than likely have to pay for hots to play dota. So it will be released with hots is what I am guessing. 2 releases are Diablo 3 and WoW:MoP
You are taking your own speculation as fact without any support of your statement.
Cool story bro.
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no way mop comes before Hots, why u guys think that?
D3 then Hots then MoP
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On February 10 2012 07:40 ProxySilmaril wrote:
who needs WoW.. waste of time
10 million subscribers disagree. Anyways, keep your aggressive opinions to yourself.
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I'm pretty sure they said they'll have more information about HotS in the coming months--not in a month.
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On February 10 2012 07:44 CuteZergling wrote:10 million subscribers disagree. Anyways, keep your aggressive opinions to yourself.
Suddenly being blunt = aggressive? Everyone is entitled to an opinion.
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On February 10 2012 07:39 Bareleon wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2012 07:38 Bulkers wrote:On February 10 2012 07:35 Bareleon wrote:On February 10 2012 07:31 Bulkers wrote:On February 10 2012 07:24 Bareleon wrote:On February 10 2012 07:21 Bulkers wrote:
"The company's first quarter 2012 outlook does not incorporate a new release from Blizzard Entertainment, but its calendar year 2012 outlook anticipates AT LEAST two releases from Blizzard Entertainment"
Diablo 3 - Target Q2 (lol!)
WoW:MoP - Summer 2012
That means there is very high chance that HoTS will NOT be released this year, beta will probably last for 3-4 months then ~2 month break between end of beta and release, and beta wont start before WoW:MoP beta ends (around May-June), so easy math and if they doesn't have any delays (it Blizzard ofc they will lol) then it should be released in December, otherwise 2013. You are just guessing. According to a blizz guy on twitter, MoP is far from release. I just analyze what he said, "at least" two releases in 2012 are indicating that HoTS might not be released in 2012. I highly doubt they will count dota as a one of the two releases. So I am still banking on 2012 for hots. And I doubt we will get dota free in a patch with WoL, we will more than likely have to pay for hots to play dota. So it will be released with hots is what I am guessing. 2 releases are Diablo 3 and WoW:MoP I know you really want your MoP but I read from a blizz guy on twitter that it is far from release.
Oh a guy on twitter said something, ye thats better source of information than Blizzard Conference... and btw I dont play WoW
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On February 10 2012 07:49 Bulkers wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2012 07:39 Bareleon wrote:On February 10 2012 07:38 Bulkers wrote:On February 10 2012 07:35 Bareleon wrote:On February 10 2012 07:31 Bulkers wrote:On February 10 2012 07:24 Bareleon wrote:On February 10 2012 07:21 Bulkers wrote:
"The company's first quarter 2012 outlook does not incorporate a new release from Blizzard Entertainment, but its calendar year 2012 outlook anticipates AT LEAST two releases from Blizzard Entertainment"
Diablo 3 - Target Q2 (lol!)
WoW:MoP - Summer 2012
That means there is very high chance that HoTS will NOT be released this year, beta will probably last for 3-4 months then ~2 month break between end of beta and release, and beta wont start before WoW:MoP beta ends (around May-June), so easy math and if they doesn't have any delays (it Blizzard ofc they will lol) then it should be released in December, otherwise 2013. You are just guessing. According to a blizz guy on twitter, MoP is far from release. I just analyze what he said, "at least" two releases in 2012 are indicating that HoTS might not be released in 2012. I highly doubt they will count dota as a one of the two releases. So I am still banking on 2012 for hots. And I doubt we will get dota free in a patch with WoL, we will more than likely have to pay for hots to play dota. So it will be released with hots is what I am guessing. 2 releases are Diablo 3 and WoW:MoP I know you really want your MoP but I read from a blizz guy on twitter that it is far from release. Oh a guy on twitter said something, ye thats better source of information than Blizzard Conference... and btw I dont play WoW
Link to the tweet?
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On February 10 2012 07:47 acrimoneyius wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2012 07:44 CuteZergling wrote:On February 10 2012 07:40 ProxySilmaril wrote:
who needs WoW.. waste of time 10 million subscribers disagree. Anyways, keep your aggressive opinions to yourself. Suddenly being blunt = aggressive? Everyone is entitled to an opinion.
In this case, what he said was unwarranted and irrelevant to the conversation at hand. Thus his opinion is being presented in an aggressive manner. No one here was discussing the quality of WoW as this thread is not for discussing the quality of WoW. He is of course entitled to his opinion but this was not the place for it.
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On February 10 2012 07:47 acrimoneyius wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2012 07:44 CuteZergling wrote:On February 10 2012 07:40 ProxySilmaril wrote:
who needs WoW.. waste of time 10 million subscribers disagree. Anyways, keep your aggressive opinions to yourself. Suddenly being blunt = aggressive? Everyone is entitled to an opinion.
Fyi, content less, irrelevant posts are frowned upon in TL. Too many can be cause for action by the mod staff.
Can we stay on topic, please? Conference calls are there to discuss financial data and possible announcements, not people's personal opinions about the games.
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On February 10 2012 07:44 Obbalord wrote:
no way mop comes before Hots, why u guys think that?
D3 then Hots then MoP
Nope.
WoW won't have a content patch before MoP, the last one happenend last year. If you really believe ( with losing subs) they'll let WoW sit there without new content for over a year you're just wrong.
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On February 10 2012 07:35 Bareleon wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2012 07:31 Bulkers wrote:On February 10 2012 07:24 Bareleon wrote:On February 10 2012 07:21 Bulkers wrote:
"The company's first quarter 2012 outlook does not incorporate a new release from Blizzard Entertainment, but its calendar year 2012 outlook anticipates AT LEAST two releases from Blizzard Entertainment"
Diablo 3 - Target Q2 (lol!)
WoW:MoP - Summer 2012
That means there is very high chance that HoTS will NOT be released this year, beta will probably last for 3-4 months then ~2 month break between end of beta and release, and beta wont start before WoW:MoP beta ends (around May-June), so easy math and if they doesn't have any delays (it Blizzard ofc they will lol) then it should be released in December, otherwise 2013. You are just guessing. According to a blizz guy on twitter, MoP is far from release. I just analyze what he said, "at least" two releases in 2012 are indicating that HoTS might not be released in 2012. I highly doubt they will count dota as a one of the two releases. So I am still banking on 2012 for hots. And I doubt we will get dota free in a patch with WoL, we will more than likely have to pay for hots to play dota. So it will be released with hots is what I am guessing.
I agree, and i remember that someone offical stated your assumtion. Dota will be free but only playable if you buy hots. They said they were not 100% about it but if they were less than 99% they would not have stated it.
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OP is updated with Diablo III and World of Warcraft since people want to know more about these.
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On February 10 2012 07:58 godly-cheese wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2012 07:49 Bulkers wrote:On February 10 2012 07:39 Bareleon wrote:On February 10 2012 07:38 Bulkers wrote:On February 10 2012 07:35 Bareleon wrote:On February 10 2012 07:31 Bulkers wrote:On February 10 2012 07:24 Bareleon wrote:On February 10 2012 07:21 Bulkers wrote:
"The company's first quarter 2012 outlook does not incorporate a new release from Blizzard Entertainment, but its calendar year 2012 outlook anticipates AT LEAST two releases from Blizzard Entertainment"
Diablo 3 - Target Q2 (lol!)
WoW:MoP - Summer 2012
That means there is very high chance that HoTS will NOT be released this year, beta will probably last for 3-4 months then ~2 month break between end of beta and release, and beta wont start before WoW:MoP beta ends (around May-June), so easy math and if they doesn't have any delays (it Blizzard ofc they will lol) then it should be released in December, otherwise 2013. You are just guessing. According to a blizz guy on twitter, MoP is far from release. I just analyze what he said, "at least" two releases in 2012 are indicating that HoTS might not be released in 2012. I highly doubt they will count dota as a one of the two releases. So I am still banking on 2012 for hots. And I doubt we will get dota free in a patch with WoL, we will more than likely have to pay for hots to play dota. So it will be released with hots is what I am guessing. 2 releases are Diablo 3 and WoW:MoP I know you really want your MoP but I read from a blizz guy on twitter that it is far from release. Oh a guy on twitter said something, ye thats better source of information than Blizzard Conference... and btw I dont play WoW Link to the tweet?
https://twitter.com/#!/BlizzardCS
Go to the Feb 7th tweets, a guy asked about beta for MoP and he said "we do not currently have a projected date available. Keep an eye on our forums though." I will find the other one.
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do they really need one more year for HoTs? Come on ;(
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On February 10 2012 08:03 Broodwurst wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2012 07:44 Obbalord wrote:
no way mop comes before Hots, why u guys think that?
D3 then Hots then MoP
Nope. WoW won't have a content patch before MoP, the last one happenend last year. If you really believe ( with losing subs) they'll let WoW sit there without new content for over a year you're just wrong.
They almost did it back at the end of Wotlk actually..
But yeah, most likely D3 then MoP then HotS.
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On February 10 2012 08:03 Broodwurst wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2012 07:44 Obbalord wrote:
no way mop comes before Hots, why u guys think that?
D3 then Hots then MoP
Nope. WoW won't have a content patch before MoP, the last one happenend last year. If you really believe ( with losing subs) they'll let WoW sit there without new content for over a year you're just wrong.
And 2013 will be way past the 18 month esimate Blizzard gave for HotS. What makes you think that that's anymore believable? Especially since every expansion for WoW has had periods of no content before they came out... just what you think is so unbelievable.
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On February 10 2012 08:14 oxxo wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2012 08:03 Broodwurst wrote:On February 10 2012 07:44 Obbalord wrote:
no way mop comes before Hots, why u guys think that?
D3 then Hots then MoP
Nope. WoW won't have a content patch before MoP, the last one happenend last year. If you really believe ( with losing subs) they'll let WoW sit there without new content for over a year you're just wrong. And 2013 will be way past the 18 month esimate Blizzard gave for HotS. What makes you think that that's anymore believable? Especially since every expansion for WoW has had periods of no content before they came out... just what you think is so unbelievable.
So you think that they'll let the people who pay monthly subs sit longer with nothing new to do then the SC 2 players who don't pay monthly?
I'd like to see a reason for that which doesn't include what you personally care more about.
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On February 10 2012 08:13 Obbalord wrote:
do they really need one more year for HoTs? Come on ;(
Think about the balance fails that were in WoL during the beta. It was down right embarrassing. I'm sure Blizzard wants a much more polished game before they even start the beta this time around...
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On February 10 2012 08:32 Perseverance wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2012 08:13 Obbalord wrote:
do they really need one more year for HoTs? Come on ;(
Think about the balance fails that were in WoL during the beta. It was down right embarrassing. I'm sure Blizzard wants a much more polished game before they even start the beta this time around...
How was it embarassing? That's exactly why they did beta test. Honestly they/we can't expect the game to be balanced when the beta gets released.
When it comes to balance, Blizzard internal testing can go only so far. It's a matter of sheer number. There are only so many people in internal testing team thinking of new strategy vs the entire community.
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On February 10 2012 08:32 Perseverance wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2012 08:13 Obbalord wrote:
do they really need one more year for HoTs? Come on ;(
Think about the balance fails that were in WoL during the beta. It was down right embarrassing. I'm sure Blizzard wants a much more polished game before they even start the beta this time around...
Given how they're starting to walk back on the Tempest in David Kim's Q and A, I think they realized that it and/or other units were unworkable (the Replicant in particular Browder was saying their were major problems with even as they announced it), and now they have to come out with replacements and rework things pretty significantly. I would not be at all surprised to see some new new units soon, and have some of the announced new units get demoted to single-player only (like the diamondback!)
I don't think balance is exactly the concern, but game design is.
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im glad hots wont be till 2012 i want the transition to take place with the new year and after the world championships blizzard are holding
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Just for the record, Blizz did said that they want to speed up the process for expansion packs for WoW. So it looks like D3, MoP, HotS
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I knew Diablo 3 would be around in summer.
And HOTS pushed for 2013 no doubt about it .
I already saw it comming months ago.
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"More info about HotS March 9th, that's the only concrete thing regarding the Starcraft II expansion."
Did they really said that? What event is on march 9th? Maybe we tget some new infos about units etc.
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Of course the MoP before HotS doesn't mean there won't be a beta this year just not an actual release until sometime in 2013 one late 2012
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Is the Q2 of Diablo 3 Q2 of the calendar year or fiscal year?
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I think the dates they give are usually calendar year, at least that was the case with the Q3 2011 for D3 beta.
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On February 10 2012 08:46 ronpaul012 wrote:
Is the Q2 of Diablo 3 Q2 of the calendar year or fiscal year?
fiscal, i would say they planning the same date as SC2 got released
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On February 10 2012 08:41 Obbalord wrote:
"More info about HotS March 9th, that's the only concrete thing regarding the Starcraft II expansion."
Did they really said that? What event is on march 9th? Maybe we tget some new infos about units etc.
Maybe Game Developers Conference? Some Blizzard developers will be there afaik.
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On January 22 2012 00:17 Atlare wrote:
I'm interested to see how World of Warcraft is doing with some new MMO's coming out and SWTOR's success, should be interesting to see whats going on! Hopefully we can get a timeframe for when HotS is going to be released thats more up to date than a rough date from a while ago.
It was already on a small decline, so I'd have to imagine that it's only been doing worse....... that is, of course, worse from fucking ridiculously well.
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On February 10 2012 08:52 Broodwurst wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2012 08:41 Obbalord wrote:
"More info about HotS March 9th, that's the only concrete thing regarding the Starcraft II expansion."
Did they really said that? What event is on march 9th? Maybe we tget some new infos about units etc.
Maybe Game Developers Conference? Some Blizzard developers will be there afaik.
I don't think it's going to be some "event." Just a date they set to release updated information. Possibly an announcement of when the beta will begin.
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On February 10 2012 08:55 Mr Showtime wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2012 08:52 Broodwurst wrote:On February 10 2012 08:41 Obbalord wrote:
"More info about HotS March 9th, that's the only concrete thing regarding the Starcraft II expansion."
Did they really said that? What event is on march 9th? Maybe we tget some new infos about units etc.
Maybe Game Developers Conference? Some Blizzard developers will be there afaik. I don't think it's going to be some "event." Just a date they set to release updated information. Possibly an announcement of when the beta will begin.
Pretty much this, they called it a " global press event" which in the past has meant that they either released some big info regarding their titles on the website and/or invited a few selected press people like Teamliquid.Net to Blizzard HQ to show off the latest stuff in their games. That's about it.
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On February 10 2012 08:55 Mr Showtime wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2012 08:52 Broodwurst wrote:On February 10 2012 08:41 Obbalord wrote:
"More info about HotS March 9th, that's the only concrete thing regarding the Starcraft II expansion."
Did they really said that? What event is on march 9th? Maybe we tget some new infos about units etc.
Maybe Game Developers Conference? Some Blizzard developers will be there afaik. I don't think it's going to be some "event." Just a date they set to release updated information. Possibly an announcement of when the beta will begin.
It's just wierd for them to announce a specific date for when info will be released, unless it's an event like they did with their wow press tour thing. Just not something they usually do, at least from what i can remember
edit: ah, it's a press event
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On February 10 2012 08:07 Bareleon wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2012 07:58 godly-cheese wrote:On February 10 2012 07:49 Bulkers wrote:On February 10 2012 07:39 Bareleon wrote:On February 10 2012 07:38 Bulkers wrote:On February 10 2012 07:35 Bareleon wrote:On February 10 2012 07:31 Bulkers wrote:On February 10 2012 07:24 Bareleon wrote:On February 10 2012 07:21 Bulkers wrote:
"The company's first quarter 2012 outlook does not incorporate a new release from Blizzard Entertainment, but its calendar year 2012 outlook anticipates AT LEAST two releases from Blizzard Entertainment"
Diablo 3 - Target Q2 (lol!)
WoW:MoP - Summer 2012
That means there is very high chance that HoTS will NOT be released this year, beta will probably last for 3-4 months then ~2 month break between end of beta and release, and beta wont start before WoW:MoP beta ends (around May-June), so easy math and if they doesn't have any delays (it Blizzard ofc they will lol) then it should be released in December, otherwise 2013. You are just guessing. According to a blizz guy on twitter, MoP is far from release. I just analyze what he said, "at least" two releases in 2012 are indicating that HoTS might not be released in 2012. I highly doubt they will count dota as a one of the two releases. So I am still banking on 2012 for hots. And I doubt we will get dota free in a patch with WoL, we will more than likely have to pay for hots to play dota. So it will be released with hots is what I am guessing. 2 releases are Diablo 3 and WoW:MoP I know you really want your MoP but I read from a blizz guy on twitter that it is far from release. Oh a guy on twitter said something, ye thats better source of information than Blizzard Conference... and btw I dont play WoW Link to the tweet? https://twitter.com/#!/BlizzardCSGo to the Feb 7th tweets, a guy asked about beta for MoP and he said "we do not currently have a projected date available. Keep an eye on our forums though." I will find the other one.
Kottick knows his cash cow is looking a little sickly. He knows in order to trade up for some extremely fertile chickens (HoTS and e-sports) with which to start his KFC (Kottick Fried Chicken) Empire that he needs to milk his cash cow for all it's worth as fast as possible. Hence MoP will be out before SC2: HotS so HotS has a good foundation upon which to flap it's chicken e-sport wings and fly!
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I'm kinda worried about WoW subscriber numbers falling. Shareholders and executives always react so irrational and emotional when a very succesful product nears the end of it's lifecycle and the profits of a company fall to more normal levels again.
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On February 10 2012 09:00 TheDougler wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2012 08:07 Bareleon wrote:On February 10 2012 07:58 godly-cheese wrote:On February 10 2012 07:49 Bulkers wrote:On February 10 2012 07:39 Bareleon wrote:On February 10 2012 07:38 Bulkers wrote:On February 10 2012 07:35 Bareleon wrote:On February 10 2012 07:31 Bulkers wrote:On February 10 2012 07:24 Bareleon wrote:On February 10 2012 07:21 Bulkers wrote:
"The company's first quarter 2012 outlook does not incorporate a new release from Blizzard Entertainment, but its calendar year 2012 outlook anticipates AT LEAST two releases from Blizzard Entertainment"
Diablo 3 - Target Q2 (lol!)
WoW:MoP - Summer 2012
That means there is very high chance that HoTS will NOT be released this year, beta will probably last for 3-4 months then ~2 month break between end of beta and release, and beta wont start before WoW:MoP beta ends (around May-June), so easy math and if they doesn't have any delays (it Blizzard ofc they will lol) then it should be released in December, otherwise 2013. You are just guessing. According to a blizz guy on twitter, MoP is far from release. I just analyze what he said, "at least" two releases in 2012 are indicating that HoTS might not be released in 2012. I highly doubt they will count dota as a one of the two releases. So I am still banking on 2012 for hots. And I doubt we will get dota free in a patch with WoL, we will more than likely have to pay for hots to play dota. So it will be released with hots is what I am guessing. 2 releases are Diablo 3 and WoW:MoP I know you really want your MoP but I read from a blizz guy on twitter that it is far from release. Oh a guy on twitter said something, ye thats better source of information than Blizzard Conference... and btw I dont play WoW Link to the tweet? https://twitter.com/#!/BlizzardCSGo to the Feb 7th tweets, a guy asked about beta for MoP and he said "we do not currently have a projected date available. Keep an eye on our forums though." I will find the other one. Kottick knows his cash cow is looking a little sickly. He knows in order to trade up for some extremely fertile chickens (HoTS and e-sports) with which to start his KFC (Kottick Fried Chicken) Empire that he needs to milk his cash cow for all it's worth as fast as possible. Hence MoP will be out before SC2: HotS so HotS has a good foundation upon which to flap it's chicken e-sport wings and fly!
To imply that Kotick is capable of thinking more than 6 months in the future is preposterous. Wall street bad-boy Kotick will just do whatever makes the stakeholders salivate.
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I quite WoW a while ago. I am very interested to see what happens to the game as it slowly declines. I wonder if Blizzard will actually add the challanging content that so many players want without nerfing it.
I mean, doing PvE to get to level PvP gear is just wrong.
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On February 10 2012 09:28 ODKStevez wrote:
I quite WoW a while ago. I am very interested to see what happens to the game as it slowly declines. I wonder if Blizzard will actually add the challanging content that so many players want without nerfing it.
I mean, doing PvE to get to level PvP gear is just wrong.
but thats how you get a pve player to play pvp
whats wrong about that?
i wish they had this when i was still playn.
you had to play only one of both to have decent gear.
assuming you do something else than wow.
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On February 10 2012 09:28 ODKStevez wrote:
I wonder if Blizzard will actually add the challanging content that so many players want without nerfing it.
It's super expensive to make (compared to other things they could be doing, that bring in actual revenue like pets and RMAH like projects) and the real core players would have it done in a day, unless by challenging you mean repetitive.
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SC2 is great as is.... an expansion will just mix everything up and change all the dynamics. Things change enough as the players develop already, I think they are wise to let SC2 mature as is for a while longer yet.
HoTs will be to SC2 what SC2 was to BW..... why rush it? I think they are making the right decision to wait, they can release the expansion anytime why cannibalize themselves sooner than they need to.
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On February 10 2012 10:01 dsousa wrote:
SC2 is great as is.... an expansion will just mix everything up and change all the dynamics. Things change enough as the players develop already, I think they are wise to let SC2 mature as is for a while longer yet.
HoTs will be to SC2 what SC2 was to BW..... why rush it? I think they are making the right decision to wait, they can release the expansion anytime why cannibalize themselves sooner than they need to.
imo the game needs hots. hots will be the brood war of sc2. sc2 needs a new element that brings out more skill and high lvl play. i sincerely hope hots will focus on upping the competitive play with new skill/micro intensive units.
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What I don't understand is why they would say "at least two" games will be released and reveal that one of them is Diablo 3, but not reveal which of the other two titles is possible to fall into 2013.
My thought is that none of the investors care about SC2 so why they care that it is being pushed back to 2013? The investors would care about the timing of the WoW expansion since it is Blizzard's main source of revenue. I suspect that they wanted to hide the fact that the WoW expansion is a long ways off.
Notice how Morheim didn't answer the question about how WoW's subscriptions have been doing since the start of 2012; I expect that they want to reveal as little "bad" information as possible. So they mention the three titles and mention that two will be released, but don't specify which of the others it will be that is a year away.
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On February 10 2012 10:13 singul4rity wrote:
What I don't understand is why they would say "at least two" games will be released and reveal that one of them is Diablo 3, but not reveal which of the other two titles is possible to fall into 2013.
My thought is that none of the investors care about SC2 so why they care that it is being pushed back to 2013? The investors would care about the timing of the WoW expansion since it is Blizzard's main source of revenue. I suspect that they wanted to hide the fact that the WoW expansion is a long ways off.
Notice how Morheim didn't answer the question about how WoW's subscriptions have been doing since the start of 2012; I expect that they want to reveal as little "bad" information as possible. So they mention the three titles and mention that two will be released, but don't specify which of the others it will be that is a year away.
It's always a hard discussion when investors are in the equation. The best choice for them isn't really always the best choice for esports.
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This is bad, IMO. Activision is known to rush Blizzard, and might pressure them into making a release date before Blizzard feels like the time is good and proper. I hope that this isn't the case and that I'm just ignorant >.<
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On February 10 2012 10:19 GhandiEAGLE wrote:
This is bad, IMO. Activision is known to rush Blizzard, and might pressure them into making a release date before Blizzard feels like the time is good and proper. I hope that this isn't the case and that I'm just ignorant >.<
This is so not true, just look at how long was sc2 delayed and how long is d3 delayed now.
As for Blizzard releases this year, it will probably be d3, wow: mop and sc2: hots (they said 2 major releases not counting diablo which should've been released last year)
d3 - they said q2 so it's coming out this year
wow: mop - last content patch is already out so there's no way it will be long before they release it, probably summer/autumn
sc2: hots - I'd guess christmas release time
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From my understanding MoP is a long long ways off from being done. I'm not even sure it's in alpha, and it was only recently announced that it even existed at Blizzcon 4 months ago. It makes sense that they would choose MoP over HotS, because of the subscribers they get with WoW, but from a development standpoint, I think they are a lot further along with HotS then they are with MoP.
Though I suppose this isn't their first rodeo when it comes to WoW expansions and the time it takes them to get to the market is probably much quicker than StarCraft would be.
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On February 10 2012 13:13 p1cKLes wrote:
From my understanding MoP is a long long ways off from being done. I'm not even sure it's in alpha, and it was only recently announced that it even existed at Blizzcon 4 months ago. It makes sense that they would choose MoP over HotS, because of the subscribers they get with WoW, but from a development standpoint, I think they are a lot further along with HotS then they are with MoP.
Though I suppose this isn't their first rodeo when it comes to WoW expansions and the time it takes them to get to the market is probably much quicker than StarCraft would be.
Well they had the starting Panda zone 70% complete at Blizzcon. There was no female pandas yet and some quest triggers were not finished, but you could do the full leveling 1-10.
They have consistently released videos of the various zones. The game needs to come out sooner than later with the last content patch will only keep people interested 1-2 more months.
One thing that has been delayed quite a bit is the Starcraft Marketplace. Maps and custom maps where you could sell and buy them. Blizzard DOTA sounds like it is going to be some sort of Free-to-Play map but with ways to buy into parts of it.
Also, the distribution channel chart, hints at two new mmos?
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On February 10 2012 07:17 Integra wrote:
More info about HotS March 9th, that's the only concrete thing regarding the Starcraft II expansion.
Only good news out of the whole conference call. Hearing about the Diablo 3 news doesn't really surprise me at all.
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On February 10 2012 09:13 RaiderRob wrote:
I'm kinda worried about WoW subscriber numbers falling. Shareholders and executives always react so irrational and emotional when a very succesful product nears the end of it's lifecycle and the profits of a company fall to more normal levels again.
They're not really falling. The big 12m -> 10m drop was primarily in the east and 1 million annual subscribers in the west is ridiculous.
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MoP before Hots doesn´t mean "not this year".
Could litterally just mean MoP in october HOTS in December.
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On February 10 2012 09:13 RaiderRob wrote:
I'm kinda worried about WoW subscriber numbers falling. Shareholders and executives always react so irrational and emotional when a very succesful product nears the end of it's lifecycle and the profits of a company fall to more normal levels again.
Can you blame them? that is a seriou cut in profit, ofc they don't like it...
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100.000 subs loss is like nothing, when there are more than 10 million players already, also MoP will bring back atleast 200k-500k
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What I can make out of this is just no hots this year.
D3 is almost out of the door, and MoP takes priority over sc because they have to keep addicts fed and their wallet full in the meantime.
They have already stated "no more major patches for wow till the expansion", which basically means "we have to push the next exp out asap, we cannot keep these players addicted for much longer without new fresh content".
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On February 10 2012 20:54 PlosionCornu wrote:
What I can make out of this is just no hots this year.
D3 is almost out of the door, and MoP takes priority over sc because they have to keep addicts fed and their wallet full in the meantime.
They have already stated "no more major patches for wow till the expansion", which basically means "we have to push the next exp out asap, we cannot keep these players addicted for much longer without new fresh content".
Why did you feel the need to use the word addicts?
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So we learned nothing except that D3 has been delayed once again.
Nothing here says no hots in 2013, all we know from this is that they PLAN to release the panda shit and diablo this year and panda comes before hots, that is all.
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On February 10 2012 21:26 Assirra wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2012 20:54 PlosionCornu wrote:
What I can make out of this is just no hots this year.
D3 is almost out of the door, and MoP takes priority over sc because they have to keep addicts fed and their wallet full in the meantime.
They have already stated "no more major patches for wow till the expansion", which basically means "we have to push the next exp out asap, we cannot keep these players addicted for much longer without new fresh content".
Why did you feel the need to use the word addicts?
Non addicted players don't feel the need for fresh and new content, they are more casuals and such, they will enjoy whatever is on the plate at any given time.
Addicts, like I once used to be, devour content, and demand new one to be made asap. Those people, which are a big portion of the playerbase (since content is much more accessible now), want and demand more and more, blizzard can't keep them farming the same 7 bosses for over a year. (last major patch for cataclysm came out in nov).
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On February 10 2012 13:13 p1cKLes wrote:
From my understanding MoP is a long long ways off from being done. I'm not even sure it's in alpha, and it was only recently announced that it even existed at Blizzcon 4 months ago. It makes sense that they would choose MoP over HotS, because of the subscribers they get with WoW, but from a development standpoint, I think they are a lot further along with HotS then they are with MoP.
I believe MoP has to come out this year (probably summer/early fall) because Cataclysm is already in its last content patch. They can't keep the WoW playerbase happy for a year without content updates. It doesn't work in an MMO, because it's subscription based. Players demand new content regularly.
On February 10 2012 20:54 PlosionCornu wrote:
Addicts, like I once used to be, devour content, and demand new one to be made asap. Those people, which are a big portion of the playerbase (since content is much more accessible now), want and demand more and more, blizzard can't keep them farming the same 7 bosses for over a year. (last major patch for cataclysm came out in nov).
This isn't so much a case of addiction, but of the fact that people are paying a monthly subscription rather than a single purchase. They pay good money to get regular content updates.
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On February 10 2012 21:37 PlosionCornu wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2012 21:26 Assirra wrote:On February 10 2012 20:54 PlosionCornu wrote:
What I can make out of this is just no hots this year.
D3 is almost out of the door, and MoP takes priority over sc because they have to keep addicts fed and their wallet full in the meantime.
They have already stated "no more major patches for wow till the expansion", which basically means "we have to push the next exp out asap, we cannot keep these players addicted for much longer without new fresh content".
Why did you feel the need to use the word addicts? Non addicted players don't feel the need for fresh and new content, they are more casuals and such, they will enjoy whatever is on the plate at any given time. Addicts, like I once used to be, devour content, and demand new one to be made asap. Those people, which are a big portion of the playerbase (since content is much more accessible now), want and demand more and more, blizzard can't keep them farming the same 7 bosses for over a year. (last major patch for cataclysm came out in nov).
Non addicted/casual players also want new content. Stop saying stupid things since apparently you've never played WoW and have no idea how things work
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i can't believe there are still ten million people playing wow
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On February 10 2012 21:38 Mastermyth wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2012 13:13 p1cKLes wrote:
From my understanding MoP is a long long ways off from being done. I'm not even sure it's in alpha, and it was only recently announced that it even existed at Blizzcon 4 months ago. It makes sense that they would choose MoP over HotS, because of the subscribers they get with WoW, but from a development standpoint, I think they are a lot further along with HotS then they are with MoP. I believe MoP has to come out this year (probably summer/early fall) because Cataclysm is already in its last content patch. They can't keep the WoW playerbase happy for a year without content updates. It doesn't work in an MMO, because it's subscription based. Players demand new content regularly. Show nested quote +On February 10 2012 20:54 PlosionCornu wrote:
Addicts, like I once used to be, devour content, and demand new one to be made asap. Those people, which are a big portion of the playerbase (since content is much more accessible now), want and demand more and more, blizzard can't keep them farming the same 7 bosses for over a year. (last major patch for cataclysm came out in nov). This isn't so much a case of addiction, but of the fact that people are paying a monthly subscription rather than a single purchase. They pay good money to get regular content updates.
Video game addiction is a very real thing, and Blizzard knowingly exploits it with WoW.
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was there a hint as to when HOTS beta might be released?
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On February 11 2012 00:00 Doodsmack wrote:
Video game addiction is a very real thing, and Blizzard knowingly exploits it with WoW.
I know, what's your point in relation to my post?
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On January 22 2012 00:17 Atlare wrote:
... SWTOR's success...
lol
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On February 10 2012 19:46 Recognizable wrote:
Q2 2012 or 2013??
2012, don't kid yourself.
Overall, these news were all pretty expected
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10 million WoW addicts, thats quite a high number. I sincerely have no idea how that many people can like (read be addicted) such a lame game...
If I were Activision I would for sure force Blizzard to keep profiting on those addicted, since so far it is not considered illegal like drugs are.
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HotS in Dec12/Jan13/Feb13
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On February 11 2012 00:28 fabiano wrote:
10 million WoW addicts, thats quite a high number. I sincerely have no idea how that many people can like (read be addicted) such a lame game...
If I were Activision I would for sure force Blizzard to keep profiting on those addicted, since so far it is not considered illegal like drugs are.
But there are cases of people dying in cyber cafes from playing too much SC or CS as well. Should they be banned too?
I don't enjoy WoW either but I don't see why there's any reason for you (or many others in this thread) to despise it so. It's contributed to some paradigm shifts in video game industry, brought a new element of social interaction to video games, spawned a great deal of development in the internet, was essentially a "killer app" for the PC platform in an era where big titles are ported over.
A lot of games are addictive and WoW is only always the first to be cited because not many games have 10 million+ players and maintain that number for years.
This is as unconstructive as the LoL vs SC2 debate which is in turn as unconstructive as SCBW vs SC2 which is in turn as PS3 vs Xbox which is in turn as Console vs PC which is in turn as Mac vs Windows which is in turn as iPhone vs Android which is in turn as Zune vs iPod. But there will always be oddly prejudiced people on the internet and other random people with a strange sense of justice that demand them to reply to such critics.
Ah whatever.
But anyhow, I want more Kerrigan. The campaign videos look really really fun, and shouldn't be too difficult as balance isn't an issue. However making multiplayer balanced yet innovative is going to be tough. I hope it doesn't take them ten more years.
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On February 11 2012 00:28 fabiano wrote:
10 million WoW addicts, thats quite a high number. I sincerely have no idea how that many people can like (read be addicted) such a lame game...
If I were Activision I would for sure force Blizzard to keep profiting on those addicted, since so far it is not considered illegal like drugs are.
How are you even allowed to comment on this forum with such stupid posts? And 2000 posts? You should know better.
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On February 11 2012 00:28 fabiano wrote:
10 million WoW addicts, thats quite a high number. I sincerely have no idea how that many people can like (read be addicted) such a lame game...
If I were Activision I would for sure force Blizzard to keep profiting on those addicted, since so far it is not considered illegal like drugs are.
Wtf this makes no sense. You know what else is addicting? Shopping, jobs, sex, caffeine, studying....basically, anything that a person could do that is fun/nice/rewarding.
Besides, how can you not understand that lots of people would like to play a game that's really easy, doesn't necessarily require a lot of time and resources, and has very good rewards even for the least skilled players?
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Well it doesn't make sense to release an expansion mid tournament season, considering we have MLG and the Blizzard SC2 world championship using WOL. It's much better to polish the new expansion and release it beginning of next year, with the beta starting this autumn, for example. I think the transition will be much smoother. The casual fan base will have enough to play with D3 and MOP coming up in the next few months, so there shouldn't be a real dip in the profits for Blizz. Also no reason to rush and release three titles this year, when two this year and two next year is a much better idea, ensuring a steady flow of cash. Players and investors should be happy and we'll get THE expansion we've been waiting for with nice chat channels and clan support... I hope.
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So seems like Hots not coming in 2012?
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On February 10 2012 14:38 Sufinsil wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2012 13:13 p1cKLes wrote:
From my understanding MoP is a long long ways off from being done. I'm not even sure it's in alpha, and it was only recently announced that it even existed at Blizzcon 4 months ago. It makes sense that they would choose MoP over HotS, because of the subscribers they get with WoW, but from a development standpoint, I think they are a lot further along with HotS then they are with MoP.
Though I suppose this isn't their first rodeo when it comes to WoW expansions and the time it takes them to get to the market is probably much quicker than StarCraft would be. Well they had the starting Panda zone 70% complete at Blizzcon. There was no female pandas yet and some quest triggers were not finished, but you could do the full leveling 1-10. They have consistently released videos of the various zones. The game needs to come out sooner than later with the last content patch will only keep people interested 1-2 more months. One thing that has been delayed quite a bit is the Starcraft Marketplace. Maps and custom maps where you could sell and buy them. Blizzard DOTA sounds like it is going to be some sort of Free-to-Play map but with ways to buy into parts of it. Also, the distribution channel chart, hints at two new mmos?
Doesn’t the leaked schedule also have HotS being released quite bit ahead of MoP? Maybe this is me just trying to be hopeful and the bottom line is Blizzard is going to attend to the paying customers before they attend to HotS
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On February 11 2012 01:02 Inex wrote:
Well it doesn't make sense to release an expansion mid tournament season, considering we have MLG and the Blizzard SC2 world championship using WOL. It's much better to polish the new expansion and release it beginning of next year, with the beta starting this autumn, for example. I think the transition will be much smoother. The casual fan base will have enough to play with D3 and MOP coming up in the next few months, so there shouldn't be a real dip in the profits for Blizz. Also no reason to rush and release three titles this year, when two this year and two next year is a much better idea, ensuring a steady flow of cash. Players and investors should be happy and we'll get THE expansion we've been waiting for with nice chat channels and clan support... I hope.
I agree with this, but I would assume that if they really want HotS to take off they have to give it plenty of time for balance and… I would think that they would want to give the pros a little bit of time to develop builds, etc. in order to have that smooth transition, but I’m sure they are realizing that they can delay it more than they can delay MoP, because they are not going to switch tournaments midyear to HotS.
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On February 11 2012 01:34 p1cKLes wrote:Show nested quote +On February 11 2012 01:02 Inex wrote:
Well it doesn't make sense to release an expansion mid tournament season, considering we have MLG and the Blizzard SC2 world championship using WOL. It's much better to polish the new expansion and release it beginning of next year, with the beta starting this autumn, for example. I think the transition will be much smoother. The casual fan base will have enough to play with D3 and MOP coming up in the next few months, so there shouldn't be a real dip in the profits for Blizz. Also no reason to rush and release three titles this year, when two this year and two next year is a much better idea, ensuring a steady flow of cash. Players and investors should be happy and we'll get THE expansion we've been waiting for with nice chat channels and clan support... I hope. I agree with this, but I would assume that if they really want HotS to take off they have to give it plenty of time for balance and… I would think that they would want to give the pros a little bit of time to develop builds, etc. in order to have that smooth transition, but I’m sure they are realizing that they can delay it more than they can delay MoP, because they are not going to switch tournaments midyear to HotS.
I think the optimal release (if it´s ready by then) is around November-December this year. It lets the pros play around with it during the down season, and once the tournaments of the next years start we´ll see quite a lot of new interesting strategies since the pros have had time to play it.
This also makes sense financially since they will rack in some christmas sales.
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How can it take so long to make an expansion? It's mostly a map creation thing...
Step 1) Story ideas, map ideas, unit ideas : mostly done already for WoL but I'll say 1-2 months of work.
Step 2) Start writing script + making maps : 2-3 months
Step 3) Changing things around (script, map, units) : 2-3 months at max.
Step 4) Multiplayer balance/new units/etc and battle.net changes (new changes to accomodate new leagues, etc) : 1-2 months maybe but it's also integrated into the other steps to some extent (battle.net is done by a different team so it could be done from the start).
Step 5) Cinematics : Done as soon as Step 2 is done I suppose... a few months but also integrated into the same time frame as the others.
So yeah, that's a very generous time frame and it's less than 1 year of work for a good, refined campaign. Give a motivated 1 man team the map creator and he could make a 25+ map campaign in a few months by himself in his free time. I'm giving Blizzard large estimates since they are a large team but overall, I don't understand how making an expansion to SC2 takes so long.
I know they want to extend SC2 as long as possible but it's been a year and a half; we should have a release date by now or very very close to one (similar to D3).
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On February 11 2012 01:44 Kurr wrote:
How can it take so long to make an expansion? It's mostly a map creation thing...
Step 1) Story ideas, map ideas, unit ideas : mostly done already for WoL but I'll say 1-2 months of work.
Step 2) Start writing script + making maps : 2-3 months
Step 3) Changing things around (script, map, units) : 2-3 months at max.
Step 4) Multiplayer balance/new units/etc and battle.net changes (new changes to accomodate new leagues, etc) : 1-2 months maybe but it's also integrated into the other steps to some extent (battle.net is done by a different team so it could be done from the start).
Step 5) Cinematics : Done as soon as Step 2 is done I suppose... a few months but also integrated into the same time frame as the others.
So yeah, that's a very generous time frame and it's less than 1 year of work for a good, refined campaign. Give a motivated 1 man team the map creator and he could make a 25+ map campaign in a few months by himself in his free time. I'm giving Blizzard large estimates since they are a large team but overall, I don't understand how making an expansion to SC2 takes so long.
I know they want to extend SC2 as long as possible but it's been a year and a half; we should have a release date by now or very very close to one (similar to D3).
I am sure you work in game development right? Since you know how long everything takes.
Not just any ofcourse but one the size of Blizzard.
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Ugh, I hope they realize why WoW has lost so many subs. Mists of Pandaria? WTF. Like, when I first heard of it, I seriously, SERIOUSLY, thought that it was an April Fools joke that just came late. I can't believe it.
Not that I really care, at this point. I stopped playing WoW before Cataclysm came out, and most of my friends stopped playing when they heard Pandaria was coming out. Blizzard, get your act together and go back to being the company you were 10 years ago. Wishful thinking...
I really hope that the other products are coming out soon, and if not soon, they better be polished to pristine quality, considering the development time.
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On February 11 2012 02:07 CyDe wrote:
Ugh, I hope they realize why WoW has lost so many subs. Mists of Pandaria? WTF. Like, when I first heard of it, I seriously, SERIOUSLY, thought that it was an April Fools joke that just came late. I can't believe it.
Not that I really care, at this point. I stopped playing WoW before Cataclysm came out, and most of my friends stopped playing when they heard Pandarijavascript:addUBB_selected('reply_area',%20'spoiler')a was coming out. Blizzard, get your act together and go back to being the company you were 10 years ago. Wishful thinking...
I really hope that the other products are coming out soon, and if not soon, they better be polished to pristine quality, considering the development time.
Pandarens are in the Warcraft lore so even though it sounds stupid it's not that much if you think about it.
Anyway I don't think discussing WoW's design is the purpose of this thread ;o
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On February 11 2012 01:50 Assirra wrote:Show nested quote +On February 11 2012 01:44 Kurr wrote:
How can it take so long to make an expansion? It's mostly a map creation thing...
Step 1) Story ideas, map ideas, unit ideas : mostly done already for WoL but I'll say 1-2 months of work.
Step 2) Start writing script + making maps : 2-3 months
Step 3) Changing things around (script, map, units) : 2-3 months at max.
Step 4) Multiplayer balance/new units/etc and battle.net changes (new changes to accomodate new leagues, etc) : 1-2 months maybe but it's also integrated into the other steps to some extent (battle.net is done by a different team so it could be done from the start).
Step 5) Cinematics : Done as soon as Step 2 is done I suppose... a few months but also integrated into the same time frame as the others.
So yeah, that's a very generous time frame and it's less than 1 year of work for a good, refined campaign. Give a motivated 1 man team the map creator and he could make a 25+ map campaign in a few months by himself in his free time. I'm giving Blizzard large estimates since they are a large team but overall, I don't understand how making an expansion to SC2 takes so long.
I know they want to extend SC2 as long as possible but it's been a year and a half; we should have a release date by now or very very close to one (similar to D3). I am sure you work in game development right? Since you know how long everything takes. Not just any ofcourse but one the size of Blizzard.
Why not try to answer my points instead of going for a personal attack?
I made estimates that I think are fair for the different steps I could think of. I know there's testing internally and beta testing afterwards but this is an expansion. The game is already made. It simply should not take 2 and a half years to make it no matter how you look at it and that's how it looks like it will be.
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to all the fool who believe in diablo 3 will release in Q2. Hahahahahahhahahaahahahaahahahahahaaha.
Remember all the promised blizz make regard to D3 release. Blizz is just like US president. Promised everything to voters and then poker face when one is in office.
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On February 11 2012 02:07 CyDe wrote:
Ugh, I hope they realize why WoW has lost so many subs. Mists of Pandaria? WTF. Like, when I first heard of it, I seriously, SERIOUSLY, thought that it was an April Fools joke that just came late. I can't believe it.
Not that I really care, at this point. I stopped playing WoW before Cataclysm came out, and most of my friends stopped playing when they heard Pandaria was coming out. Blizzard, get your act together and go back to being the company you were 10 years ago. Wishful thinking...
I really hope that the other products are coming out soon, and if not soon, they better be polished to pristine quality, considering the development time.
The Pandaren have been in the warcraftlore forever so it fits in
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On February 11 2012 02:12 Linwelin wrote:Show nested quote +On February 11 2012 02:07 CyDe wrote:
Ugh, I hope they realize why WoW has lost so many subs. Mists of Pandaria? WTF. Like, when I first heard of it, I seriously, SERIOUSLY, thought that it was an April Fools joke that just came late. I can't believe it.
Not that I really care, at this point. I stopped playing WoW before Cataclysm came out, and most of my friends stopped playing when they heard Pandarijavascript:addUBB_selected('reply_area',%20'spoiler')a was coming out. Blizzard, get your act together and go back to being the company you were 10 years ago. Wishful thinking...
I really hope that the other products are coming out soon, and if not soon, they better be polished to pristine quality, considering the development time. Pandarens are in the Warcraft lore so even though it sounds stupid it's not that much if you think about it. Anyway I don't think discussing WoW's design is the purpose of this thread ;o
Lol, you realize that Pandarens were originally introduced to Warcraft III as an April Fool's Joke as a potential hero in Frozen Throne right? The only reason the Brewmaster actually made it into Frozen Throne was because the joke got such a positive response.
So yes, when you think that much about it it's actually really stupid; to create an entire World of Warcraft expansion over something that was originally intended as an April Fool's Joke..............
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On February 11 2012 03:58 CuSToM wrote:Show nested quote +On February 11 2012 02:12 Linwelin wrote:On February 11 2012 02:07 CyDe wrote:
Ugh, I hope they realize why WoW has lost so many subs. Mists of Pandaria? WTF. Like, when I first heard of it, I seriously, SERIOUSLY, thought that it was an April Fools joke that just came late. I can't believe it.
Not that I really care, at this point. I stopped playing WoW before Cataclysm came out, and most of my friends stopped playing when they heard Pandarijavascript:addUBB_selected('reply_area',%20'spoiler')a was coming out. Blizzard, get your act together and go back to being the company you were 10 years ago. Wishful thinking...
I really hope that the other products are coming out soon, and if not soon, they better be polished to pristine quality, considering the development time. Pandarens are in the Warcraft lore so even though it sounds stupid it's not that much if you think about it. Anyway I don't think discussing WoW's design is the purpose of this thread ;o Lol, you realize that Pandarens were originally introduced to Warcraft III as an April Fool's Joke as a potential hero in Frozen Throne right? The only reason the Brewmaster actually made it into Frozen Throne was because the joke got such a positive response. So yes, when you think that much about it it's actually really stupid; to create an entire World of Warcraft expansion over something that was originally intended as an April Fool's Joke..............
I know that it originated from an April Fool's joke. My point still stands since they currently are in the lore though
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Better delay a game with a year than give it out with full of bugs and shit, ala swtor and co. I dont get whats the problem with ppl whining about delayed games, only few companies are doing this, they rather delay than frickin relase a beta version for full price
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On February 11 2012 03:58 CuSToM wrote:Show nested quote +On February 11 2012 02:12 Linwelin wrote:On February 11 2012 02:07 CyDe wrote:
Ugh, I hope they realize why WoW has lost so many subs. Mists of Pandaria? WTF. Like, when I first heard of it, I seriously, SERIOUSLY, thought that it was an April Fools joke that just came late. I can't believe it.
Not that I really care, at this point. I stopped playing WoW before Cataclysm came out, and most of my friends stopped playing when they heard Pandarijavascript:addUBB_selected('reply_area',%20'spoiler')a was coming out. Blizzard, get your act together and go back to being the company you were 10 years ago. Wishful thinking...
I really hope that the other products are coming out soon, and if not soon, they better be polished to pristine quality, considering the development time. Pandarens are in the Warcraft lore so even though it sounds stupid it's not that much if you think about it. Anyway I don't think discussing WoW's design is the purpose of this thread ;o Lol, you realize that Pandarens were originally introduced to Warcraft III as an April Fool's Joke as a potential hero in Frozen Throne right? The only reason the Brewmaster actually made it into Frozen Throne was because the joke got such a positive response. So yes, when you think that much about it it's actually really stupid; to create an entire World of Warcraft expansion over something that was originally intended as an April Fool's Joke..............
Blizzard rolling with storytelling and making massive changes based on little things is nothing new. Kerrigan is an example of this.
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On February 11 2012 04:02 Linwelin wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On February 11 2012 03:58 CuSToM wrote:Show nested quote +On February 11 2012 02:12 Linwelin wrote:On February 11 2012 02:07 CyDe wrote:
Ugh, I hope they realize why WoW has lost so many subs. Mists of Pandaria? WTF. Like, when I first heard of it, I seriously, SERIOUSLY, thought that it was an April Fools joke that just came late. I can't believe it.
Not that I really care, at this point. I stopped playing WoW before Cataclysm came out, and most of my friends stopped playing when they heard Pandarijavascript:addUBB_selected('reply_area',%20'spoiler')a was coming out. Blizzard, get your act together and go back to being the company you were 10 years ago. Wishful thinking...
I really hope that the other products are coming out soon, and if not soon, they better be polished to pristine quality, considering the development time. Pandarens are in the Warcraft lore so even though it sounds stupid it's not that much if you think about it. Anyway I don't think discussing WoW's design is the purpose of this thread ;o Lol, you realize that Pandarens were originally introduced to Warcraft III as an April Fool's Joke as a potential hero in Frozen Throne right? The only reason the Brewmaster actually made it into Frozen Throne was because the joke got such a positive response. So yes, when you think that much about it it's actually really stupid; to create an entire World of Warcraft expansion over something that was originally intended as an April Fool's Joke.............. I know that it originated from an April Fool's joke. My point still stands since they currently are in the lore though
I think the point is moot; it's not like Blizzard ever lore get in the way of anything. BC Space goats being parachuted in? Whatever sells man.
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On January 22 2012 00:16 Integra wrote:
No date or estimate when HotS will be released, It might be released during 2013, might be released today or just cancelled altogether. The usual.
nooooooo blizzard! y u so cruel!!
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Wow, so about 40M active SC2 players?
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On March 02 2012 20:20 Unfeared wrote:
Wow, so about 40M active SC2 players?
Battlenet is more than just WoW and SC2
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Holy shit at the 50 million active on Battle.net. I wonder how much of that is SC2. 10 mil for WoW. How many beta keys have they sent out for D3? I doubt WC3 and BW combined make up more than a few million of it at this point.
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Do they include the old battle.net though too for BW/WC3/D2? If that's the case I woudln't be too shocked at those numbers but if that's only Battle.Net 2.0 users then I would be very interested to see how many accounts are SC2.
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i wonder how many people who play starcraft 2 now will switch over to diablo when it comes out.
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How is it possible battle.net has 50mio active users??
Let's say WoW has 10mio, SC2 6mio( probably more like 4.), D3 around 4.
Diablo2/Wc3/Bw together 10mio.
Where do the rest come? I was really generous with those numbers. I'm really doubtful there's more than 5 million SC2 active accounts, we can barely get to 100k stream viewers on big tournaments.
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On March 09 2012 01:45 JJH777 wrote:
Holy shit at the 50 million active on Battle.net. I wonder how much of that is SC2. 10 mil for WoW. How many beta keys have they sent out for D3? I doubt WC3 and BW combined make up more than a few million of it at this point.
well, many people have multiple battle.net accounts. I for example have 2 sc2 and 1 wow account (all different email adresses - which means different battle.net accounts)
but it would be interesting to know how many sc2 accounts are active
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OP keeps spelling ESPORTS wrong >.>
Yay for more BLizzard in ESPORTS!
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On March 09 2012 04:23 Andr3 wrote:
How is it possible battle.net has 50mio active users??
Let's say WoW has 10mio, SC2 6mio( probably more like 4.), D3 around 4.
Diablo2/Wc3/Bw together 10mio.
Where do the rest come? I was really generous with those numbers. I'm really doubtful there's more than 5 million SC2 active accounts, we can barely get to 100k stream viewers on big tournaments.
It depends on how much they squeezed within their definition of "active".
If they managed to come up with a number like 50 million, I'm pretty damn sure they're still counting my 4 WoW accounts, none of which have an active subscription, 3 of which haven't been touched in years and the last one is a starter pack, and 2 SC2 accounts, neither of which was played actively in the last 3-4 months.
Using a common sense definition of "active" (people who play games regularly on weekly or even monthly basis), they'd be lucky to reach 10-12 mil.
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On March 10 2012 00:52 Talin wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2012 04:23 Andr3 wrote:
How is it possible battle.net has 50mio active users??
Let's say WoW has 10mio, SC2 6mio( probably more like 4.), D3 around 4.
Diablo2/Wc3/Bw together 10mio.
Where do the rest come? I was really generous with those numbers. I'm really doubtful there's more than 5 million SC2 active accounts, we can barely get to 100k stream viewers on big tournaments. It depends on how much they squeezed within their definition of "active". If they managed to come up with a number like 50 million, I'm pretty damn sure they're still counting my 4 WoW accounts, none of which have an active subscription, 3 of which haven't been touched in years and the last one is a starter pack, and 2 SC2 accounts, neither of which was played actively in the last 3-4 months. Using a common sense definition of "active" (people who play games regularly on weekly or even monthly basis), they'd be lucky to reach 10-12 mil.
One doesn't simply pay monthly for WoW to not play it, so EASY 10 million there. I don't think they're counting dead accounts, but active means probably a few times a month which isn't really "active." I could see a legit 20 million being on reguarily playing blizzard games, but not 50. They're including smurfs, and accounts that aren't used in what a game would consider "active."
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Integra you evil evil man.
Enjoy your two week self imposed ban.
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On March 10 2012 04:07 basballguy wrote:
Integra you evil evil man.
Enjoy your two week self imposed ban.
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Why? What did he do?
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On March 10 2012 05:20 carloselcoco wrote:Show nested quote +On March 10 2012 04:07 basballguy wrote:
Integra you evil evil man.
Enjoy your two week self imposed ban.
?? Why? What did he do?
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How the hell could I had missed this T_T I swear I heard them say "march 9" That's what you get for sitting up during middle the night tired as hell trying to listen to business talk. I just requested a 2 week ban for myself as punishment since it was my post this crap was based around.
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Subject: I request a 2 week ban/suspension for myself please!
Date: 3/10/12 01:35
You man, whats up! anyway could you please temporary ban me for 2 weeks?
Reason for it is this: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=318783¤tpage=25#487
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that's what happened haha
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....to all the people being surprised at the 50M number, iirc that's with Call of Duty factored in. So it's really not that surprising. Too bad there was nothing fun today though.
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No HotS announcement today?
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Bah no estimate on HOTS, interesting none-the-less though.
"World of Warcraft now has 10.2M active subscribers.
World of Warcraft lost 100,000 subscribers, down to 10.2 million."
I found that hilarious. As mediocre as WoW has gotten, Blizzard sure knows how to keep their customers.
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im still pretty sure that a blizzard mvp said there will be info today
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On March 10 2012 05:35 johnnywup wrote:
im still pretty sure that a blizzard mvp said there will be info today
1) A Blizzard MVP is nothing more than a person who has been recognized by Blizzard to be an excellent poster.
2) He based it off of what he read in the OP of this thread.
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Blizzard will take a more active role in Esports during 2012 (Might refer to the their newly created tournament)
This is the most important thing for me. They need to lead the charge.
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wheres the 03/09 announcement thread? isnt there something happening right now? :S
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it was closed, with a "lmao" as a official closing statement...
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Can someone explain what's going? Why is the statement about HotS in the OP crossed out?
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the person who made the thread about the march 9th thing was wrong and its actually on march 19th or something like that
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Kennigit
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Guys please read the OP, i have updated it with info
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excuse me bitch ( =) <3), but march 19th is about wow mop, sorry i thought that maybe something about hots will be announced...
so were are here without any possible date for hots, but what i can say is that blizz stated that theyx will share info in the coming MONTHS.
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Thanks for the update Kenny
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On January 22 2012 00:16 Integra wrote:
- 50 million users is not a figure that Blizzard has ever claimed about bnet...think about it, there are ~10m WoW players. Do you think there are 40m SC2 players 0_o?
That 10 million is only the current active accounts though isn't it, I'm sure that the amount of WoW users since battle.net 2.0 launched is more than 10 million (Players unsubscribing as well as new/old players (re)subbing).
But yeah, 50 million was always way too high for battle.net.
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becacause it's an activision call, the 50 million include cod and stuff, not only blizz games, why blizz said they are all on bnet, dunno
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On January 22 2012 00:16 Integra wrote:
Blizzard will take a more active role in Esports during 2012 (Might refer to the their newly created tournament)
What tournament are you talking about? you mean the one blizzard will hold in china instead on blizzcon?
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this is so embarrassing, I was excited all day
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On March 10 2012 07:03 Grumbels wrote:this is so embarrassing, I was excited all day
LOL....I also check D3 blizzard site to see if they had like "DIABLO 3 HAS A RELEASE DATE!!!" article or something.....
No luck today. Maybe next week?
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So the big announcement was the Warcraft free mount and scroll of resurrection stuff?
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- 50 million users is not a figure that Blizzard has ever claimed about bnet...think about it, there are ~10m WoW players. Do you think there are 40m SC2 players 0_o?
Yes, I DO!
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Did they say something? I just come back home
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Seriously, fu blizzard.. count more your fucking bills and announce nothing.. Now ban me..
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On March 10 2012 10:38 Everlong wrote:Seriously, fu blizzard.. count more your fucking bills and announce nothing.. Now ban me..
They never actually said they were announcing something today... =/
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On March 10 2012 10:51 Noro wrote:Show nested quote +On March 10 2012 10:38 Everlong wrote:Seriously, fu blizzard.. count more your fucking bills and announce nothing.. Now ban me.. They never actually said they were announcing something today... =/
They never actually said they would make an announcement, but at this point, they owe it to us. We are completely in the dark in everything from balance feedback to HOTS development, to the trash that is B.net that they refuse to acknowledge. It might not have been on their agenda to do it today but its begun to look like they just don't care for this game anymore or its community. There is no one left, and they have made zero attempt to fix it, not even a statement.
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