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CoNSECRATIO
Profile Joined March 2011
Australia24 Posts
June 22 2012 18:26 GMT
#661
NEW VODS!!! Welcome back shawn =D
niladorus
Profile Joined September 2011
Greece116 Posts
June 22 2012 20:14 GMT
#662
gr8 work dudes!!


ps: regret do you seriously want me to open the vods 200 times ?
Frunkis
Profile Joined August 2010
United States146 Posts
June 22 2012 20:50 GMT
#663
Yay new stuff. Still not sure why you guys don't get many views but it's definitely not a lack of quality or good content. I'd blame your PR and marketing team.
oZii
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1198 Posts
June 22 2012 21:20 GMT
#664
I'm on my phone right now will watch these tonight!!! Seriously though you guys are awesome. David is a amazing player. You guys need more exposure. Maybe hold a open tournament perhaps.

I mean David beat Symbol you know what kind of hype that would generate if it was more widely known that David plays at that level! Maybe start streaming or stream a episode. I just wish you guys had more views you really deserve it.

Oh and thanks for uploading your knew PvT style too! Can't wait to watch.
6xFPCs
Profile Joined April 2009
United States412 Posts
June 22 2012 23:23 GMT
#665
wow on that stoic 10pool hold.

few questions: what if he drops the spines only once the lings and drones are there? you can't engage at that point so you run and your queen finishes a bit before the spine or spines... then you would have to engage spines with your lings and try to fight without the queen, hopefully with your drones luring him away from spines? or is the hidden spine the only version you have to watch for and the version where he plops two spines and defends those not an issue?
smwatkin
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada399 Posts
June 23 2012 02:29 GMT
#666
On June 23 2012 08:23 6xFPCs wrote:
wow on that stoic 10pool hold.

few questions: what if he drops the spines only once the lings and drones are there? you can't engage at that point so you run and your queen finishes a bit before the spine or spines... then you would have to engage spines with your lings and try to fight without the queen, hopefully with your drones luring him away from spines? or is the hidden spine the only version you have to watch for and the version where he plops two spines and defends those not an issue?


Hi this is David,

This 10 pool hold that I have invented is, at best, 40-60 in favour of the 10 pooler. There will always been a ton of factors that can contribute to the 10 pooler winning, such as lucky engagements or lucky map scouts. The key is to get 1 spine up, which will finish in time with the queen.
oZii
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1198 Posts
June 23 2012 02:43 GMT
#667
Just watched this weeks vods excellent as always thanks for you work guys
smwatkin
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada399 Posts
June 23 2012 02:55 GMT
#668
We're streaming some live content right now at:

Drunken ZvX with stoic

We might be drunk... by might i mean we are drunk
smwatkin
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada399 Posts
June 23 2012 02:58 GMT
#669
for everyone 10 viewers we do a shot

regret
6xFPCs
Profile Joined April 2009
United States412 Posts
June 23 2012 02:59 GMT
#670
On June 23 2012 11:29 smwatkin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 23 2012 08:23 6xFPCs wrote:
wow on that stoic 10pool hold.

few questions: what if he drops the spines only once the lings and drones are there? you can't engage at that point so you run and your queen finishes a bit before the spine or spines... then you would have to engage spines with your lings and try to fight without the queen, hopefully with your drones luring him away from spines? or is the hidden spine the only version you have to watch for and the version where he plops two spines and defends those not an issue?


Hi this is David,

This 10 pool hold that I have invented is, at best, 40-60 in favour of the 10 pooler. There will always been a ton of factors that can contribute to the 10 pooler winning, such as lucky engagements or lucky map scouts. The key is to get 1 spine up, which will finish in time with the queen.


Thanks for the response. I was under the impression that the stoic hold was something like 80% success against 10pool, but I guess that was a little too hopeful of me.

How would you put the chances of the nestea anti-10pool? Roughly equal to the stoic hold?
smwatkin
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada399 Posts
June 23 2012 03:10 GMT
#671
nestea's 10 pool is 70/30 in favor of the 10 pool. We're about 60/40 atm.
smwatkin
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada399 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-23 14:11:23
June 23 2012 03:18 GMT
#672
EDIT: Last message didn't even make sense.
Grapefruit
Profile Joined November 2010
Germany439 Posts
June 23 2012 20:45 GMT
#673
This is fucking awesome, keep it up, guys.
Starcraft 2 is funny, everybody picks the race, which he considers to be the weakest. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
romelako
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States373 Posts
June 24 2012 00:06 GMT
#674
it'd be better if you guys broadcasted your live shows on twitter, because the time on TL is not even our time lol...
smwatkin
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada399 Posts
June 25 2012 03:45 GMT
#675
Check out the reddit post

http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/vjzo3/zvz_regret_vs_tslsymbol_from_symbols_pov_analyzed/
ErrorNA
Profile Joined November 2010
United States86 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-25 09:26:50
June 25 2012 09:19 GMT
#676
David thanks again for the 10 pool/drone all in hold. it is actually insane and it blew my mind i am going to try it a ton tomorrow. Also i like posting my progress from your videos i have been watching since episode 1.

On saturday on June 23 i played at a local tourney and was able to get first place! i play super standard straight up games, it is like making a huge checklist for each match up and depending on what the other player is doing you either go greedier or safer. Everything you have said i have remembered and i was able to end last season as a 1100 point masters player. Thank you guys so much it is actually insane the progress, the season before last i was diamond.

oh yea i won a keyboard a mouse and a back pack almost like 300 dollars worth of stuff!!!! ^^ you guys are the best i wish i could somehow make a huge impact on the amount of viewers you guys have because i feel it is only fair for the impact you guys have had on me. Thanks again!

-ErrorBMC

-edit forgot to mention you guys look great no homo.
Windwaker
Profile Joined February 2012
Germany1597 Posts
June 25 2012 12:55 GMT
#677
awesome videos, every zerg player should watch it!!!!!!!!!!
The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the iniquities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men. Blessed is he, who in the name of charity and good will, shepherds the weak through the valley of darkness, for he is truly his brother
ErrorNA
Profile Joined November 2010
United States86 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-25 20:12:04
June 25 2012 19:59 GMT
#678
Put the mechanics VOD up on this to be accessed at anytime. please!

And on the mechanics VOD put a link to your thread!
6xFPCs
Profile Joined April 2009
United States412 Posts
June 25 2012 22:33 GMT
#679
On June 23 2012 12:18 smwatkin wrote:
EDIT: Last message didn't even make sense.


It was way better pre-edit.

On the subject of viewers, I think it's just a matter of audience--anyone below diamond-ish doesn't really "feel" the weight of the little tells and tricks, e.g. scouting natural gas count in ZvP, because it actually is meaningless at lower levels. This might explain the spike in views on the mechanics vid, because so many more players either feel or have been told repeatedly about, the importance of mechanics in their play.

So my take is that you guys either widen your scope (which David will probably hate) or just continue as is, knowing that diamond/masters zerg players for whom your insights are (supremely) useful may be your only long-term audience.

Or sell analysis. I think I'd pay $5-10 for you guys to look through a handful of my replays and tear me a new one, either without the effort of making it a finished vod, or as a vod if you want it as content. Undoubtledly there are a few of us who would love the chance to have a GM player critique our play, so if you're ever bored of casting David's games, that's another type of content you might want to consider.
smwatkin
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada399 Posts
June 25 2012 23:31 GMT
#680
Hey guys, complexity academy is recruiting for all you Masters guys out there. David and I are the casters for the Academy, so just an FYI that you need to get your video applications in for a great opportunity!
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