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smwatkin
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada399 Posts
June 26 2012 02:01 GMT
#681
Video upload in progress. More examples of the 10 pool hold.
oZii
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1198 Posts
June 26 2012 02:06 GMT
#682
On June 26 2012 08:31 smwatkin wrote:
Hey guys, complexity academy is recruiting for all you Masters guys out there. David and I are the casters for the Academy, so just an FYI that you need to get your video applications in for a great opportunity!


Sweet gratz!
Belial88
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5217 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-26 08:23:01
June 26 2012 08:22 GMT
#683
Hi.

I really don't think your way to hold a 10 pool works. The 10 pooler made a ton of mistakes.

- He could have made spines when he was in your base and your drones were running away.
- He chased your drones, which was stupid. You only need to deny mining, not chase the drones or even kill them. Slowlings and drones obviously aren't going to catch 15 drones...
- He tried to sneak a spine, which is a gamble, but stupid, and causes him to fall far behind. You are supposed to make the spine when the army arrives, not like that, otherwise it puts you behind...
- for some reason he never makes additional lings. Just bad macro. the only reason the build wins is because of reinforcing lings, with equal production as you.

I've seen 1 way to possibly hold a 10 pool - a queen and morph 2 defensive spines. But I dont think it'll beat 10 pool baneling, another autowin 10 pool vs hatch first, which your defense definitely wouldn't hold either.

We can test it out if you like. I've practiced hours and hours against both 6/7/8 pools and 9/10/11 pools. I have yet to see a way to truly hold 10 pool 8 of 12 drones pulled, single spine, with rallying lings or 10 pool baneling. But I can execute a decent 10 pool and see if your build actually works or not...

Belial.869@NA
How to build a $500 i7-3770K Ultimate Computer:http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=392709 ******** 100% Safe Razorless Delid Method! http://www.overclock.net/t/1376206/how-to-delid-your-ivy-bridge-cpu-with-out-a-razor-blade/0_100
SweKenZo
Profile Joined December 2011
Sweden82 Posts
June 26 2012 12:13 GMT
#684
First of all.. Thx for all the Great vids!! The explaining of your thought process is invaluable!

As a Plat level Zerg im having trouble with properly engaging other armies.
Is this something youl would like to touch on? i.e. how to set up a proper BL/infestor attack, micro during battles (roach, ling vs immortal sentry), ling bling vs MMM and so on...

I havent been able to found any good ones on TL and it would be awesome if you were up to the task!

Cheers!
Bronze->Silver->Gold->Platinum->Diamond-> ?
smwatkin
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada399 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-26 20:14:03
June 26 2012 14:45 GMT
#685
On June 26 2012 17:22 Belial88 wrote:
Hi.

I really don't think your way to hold a 10 pool works. The 10 pooler made a ton of mistakes.

- He could have made spines when he was in your base and your drones were running away.
- He chased your drones, which was stupid. You only need to deny mining, not chase the drones or even kill them. Slowlings and drones obviously aren't going to catch 15 drones...
- He tried to sneak a spine, which is a gamble, but stupid, and causes him to fall far behind. You are supposed to make the spine when the army arrives, not like that, otherwise it puts you behind...
- for some reason he never makes additional lings. Just bad macro. the only reason the build wins is because of reinforcing lings, with equal production as you.

I've seen 1 way to possibly hold a 10 pool - a queen and morph 2 defensive spines. But I dont think it'll beat 10 pool baneling, another autowin 10 pool vs hatch first, which your defense definitely wouldn't hold either.

We can test it out if you like. I've practiced hours and hours against both 6/7/8 pools and 9/10/11 pools. I have yet to see a way to truly hold 10 pool 8 of 12 drones pulled, single spine, with rallying lings or 10 pool baneling. But I can execute a decent 10 pool and see if your build actually works or not...

Belial.869@NA


EDIT: Another VOD with more examples has been posted in the OP. Watch that...
Beorning
Profile Joined June 2011
United States243 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-27 05:18:44
June 27 2012 05:18 GMT
#686
Great video on the 10 pool hold! Maybe TL could feature the thread a second time, so you'd get more viewers...
stoicRegret
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada206 Posts
June 27 2012 20:26 GMT
#687
On June 27 2012 14:18 Beorning wrote:
Great video on the 10 pool hold! Maybe TL could feature the thread a second time, so you'd get more viewers...


Never
Last Raven
Profile Joined April 2011
Belgium14 Posts
June 28 2012 18:38 GMT
#688
Love watching stuff like this, keep the info coming!
The power of my mind, The edge of my sword
QQKachoo
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States192 Posts
June 28 2012 20:09 GMT
#689
I love watching this show. This step by step analysis really helps me with my gameplay. It really helps me with decision making in certain matchups.
@QKachoo
smwatkin
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada399 Posts
June 28 2012 20:46 GMT
#690
We're going to branch out soon and do some pro replays in addition to David's own games.
Sadform
Profile Joined September 2010
United Kingdom79 Posts
June 28 2012 20:51 GMT
#691
These vods are great, only just seen them in the last few days. The banter is pretty good too, keep it up! When you planning on uploading the next set?
stoicRegret
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada206 Posts
June 28 2012 21:23 GMT
#692
On June 29 2012 05:51 Sadform wrote:
These vods are great, only just seen them in the last few days. The banter is pretty good too, keep it up! When you planning on uploading the next set?


Normally weekly. There are over 20 episodes posted in the previous episdoes tab, enjoy.
romelako
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States373 Posts
June 29 2012 00:43 GMT
#693
so, word on the street is...it's david's birthday today (6/28)
Shilliwippen
Profile Joined July 2011
Sweden57 Posts
June 29 2012 00:53 GMT
#694
Im sooo sad for you guys, just want you to get more viewers, been telling all my friends about you!
Tho as a geek, I dont have that many!


The most educational videos out there today in my opinion, for all races, even tho David only talks about Zerg, he explains the mistakes of his opponents aswell.

"If it ain't broke, dont fix it!"
stoicRegret
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada206 Posts
July 02 2012 03:21 GMT
#695
Me thinks Shawn is back from his batman duties tomorrow. Me thinks we are doing something with the qxc vs col academy casting-wise. Me thinks me talks like this because me is bored of thinks-ing and talks-ing.
Holcan
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada2593 Posts
July 02 2012 15:59 GMT
#696
also dont forget about NASL finals in two weeks, regret and nuvo will definitrly be there, although chances are ill be the only one in a stoic shirt
Reference The Inadvertant Joey, Strong talented orchastrasted intelligent character.
Noobity
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States871 Posts
July 02 2012 16:28 GMT
#697
There are stoic shirts?
My name is Mike, and statistically, yours is not.
stoicRegret
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada206 Posts
July 02 2012 19:15 GMT
#698
WE HAVE SHIRTS?!
jimbob615
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
Uruguay455 Posts
July 02 2012 19:24 GMT
#699
where can i purchase said shirt?
ErrorNA
Profile Joined November 2010
United States86 Posts
July 03 2012 00:22 GMT
#700
hmm, shirt that is awesome where can i check it out?
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