Intimate ZvX with Stoic

smwatkin

Canada399 Posts

January 18 2012 05:59 GMT

David "stoicRegret" Tran will go through some of his replays on camera and describe his thought process vs these high level North American/Korean players. Shawn "stoicNuvo" Watkins will host the VODs and will ask questions that may seem more obvious to high level players. We'll include as many guest stars as we can get our hands on!

Team Stoic started off as a group of drinking buddies who found the greatest game ever created! Drinking games! And then we got into starcraft 2... And it was AWESOME!

First and foremost, Shawn and I are big Starcraft fans. We love the community, and more importantly, we love watching the pros duke it out! Our series of (never ending???) coaching vods are an attempt for us to express why we enjoy watching and playing starcraft 2 so very much. So please join us, wood leaguers, diamond potentials, masters generals, and Nestea-equivalents as Intimate ZvX with Stoic looks to bring Starcraft entertainment in the perspective of dedicated starcraft 2 fans!

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Game 1 - Life vs Last
Analyzing how Life deals with mech when severely behind due to a blue flame hellion run by.

Game 2 - Leenock vs BabyKnight
Using the combination of hydralisks, lings and swarm hosts with viper support. Ultras are always nice in the late game.

Game 3 - David vs Friend
David opens roach. DO NOT copy this opening. A general idea on how to gain an advantage in muta v muta.

Game 4 - David vs Friend
Failed roach opening into muta strat. How to take advantage of bad widow mine placement

Episode 28 Replay 3
Episode 28 Replay 4

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Episode 1
ZvTx2, ZvP and ZvZ against players vVvglon, EGinConTroL, czaseoHyeon, and gosuSonkie.
Episode 1 replay pack

Episode 2
ZvT, ZvPx2 and ZvZ against players AlexCMoi, CombatEX, NmxCCalms, and honeybear
Episode 2 replay pack

Episode 3
ZvT x 3, ZvP and ZvZ against players vileHasHe, coLRyze, Marine, DaisyPRIME, and RGNartist
Episode 3 replay pack

Episode 4
ZvZ x 2, and ZvP x 2 against players FusioNSlush, ZeNEXYong, xSixMystik, and Bioice
Episode 4 replay pack

Episode 5
ZvT x 2, ZvZ, and ZvP against players QxGDestiny, iSPanter, DaisyPRIME, and REQRookie
Episode 5 replay pack

Episode 6
ZvT x 2, ZvZ, and ZvP against players cvgProxima, Despiron, cvgbirdkickr, DoctaD
Episode 6 replay pack

Episode 7
ZvP x 4 against players Xazae, RGNFuture, Ragnarok, Raekwon
Episode 7 replay pack

Episode 8
ZvZ x 4 against players EGLzGameR, Meijin, and Odyssey
Episode 8 replay pack

Episode 9
ZvT x 4 against players GoSuPokeBuni, vVvStarkad, NrGLuckyFool, and Dano
Episode 9 replay pack

Episode 10
ZvZ, ZvT, and ZvPx2 against players Raptwhor, GoSuSTX, ONEwbc, and BenD
Episode 10 Replay Pack

Episode 11
ZvZx2, ZvPx2 against players RaptorLighT, bnYLua, HaZe, Babybyebye
Episode 11 Replay Pack

Episode 12
ZvZx2, ZvTx2 against players NITRIXENERGY, JackBauer, icGMind, vVvTitan
Episode 12 Replay Pack

Episode 13
ZvZ, ZvP, ZvTx2 against players FourKLost, xoxoBosnic, caseekerXPn, and OneStar
Episode 13 Replay Pack

Episode 14
ZvZx2, ZvPx2, against players EGIdrA, vilePsY, isurusXionS, and vileSynC and a bonus with Stephano vs alive
Episode 14 Replay Pack

Episode 15
ZvZx2, ZvP, and ZvT against players Scarlett, Typebreek, NrSRaNgeD, EffOrt, and a bonus with Nestea vs Tails
Episode 15 Replay Pack

Episode 16
Zv5x2, and a ZvP, and ZvZ against players areaWannaBe, SPeCiaLiST, GameofDrone, and GoSuViBE
Episode 16 Replay Pack

Episode 17
ZvZx2, and a ZvP, and ZvT against players RGNslush, isurusCham, ClashMoOk, and Typebreek
Episode 17 Replay Pack

Episode 18
ZvTx3, and a ZvP against players NSH_Shuttle, Obelus, IIIIIIIIII, and SinFeo
Episode 18 Repla 10 pool playlisty Pack

Episode 19
ZvPx4 against players infsStarNaN, iMpBails, Yeul, and FxAUndertake
Episode 19 Replay Pack

Episode 20
ZvP, ZvZx2, and ZvT against players Hitman, coLRyze, NMxhendralsk, and ClashNaNViKi
Episode 20 Replay Pack

Episode 21
ZvPx2, and ZvT against players oGsForGG, iMpPhantaxx, and typeENZA, Episode 21 Replay Pack

Episode 22
ZvZ, ZvT, and ZvPx2 against players fLcKrypt, SQLHuT, Valor, and sWs
Episode 22 Replay Pack

Episode 23
ZvZ, ZvT, and ZvP against players TSLSymbol, KeydEverize, and RoHsAiNx,
Episode 23 Replay Pack

Episode 24
ZvPx2, ZvT, and ZvZ against players coLMinigun, LGimix, iSandbox, and QuanticDdoRo
Episode 24 Replay Pack

Episode 25
ZvZ and ZvPx3 against players ROOTCatZ, xSixPerfect, OneTrickPony, and xSixMercy
Episode 25 Replay Pack

Episode 26
ZvTx2 and ZvZx2 against players GoSuPbunny, QSpanishiwa, and NITRIXdSuki
Episode 26 Replay Pack

Episode 27
ZvZ Nestea vs Violet

Intimate Tips with Stoic Gaming

These are a compilation of tips that romelako has collected after watching basically every single episode from the beginning of time.

Intimate Mechanics:

Try to minimize looking at the main screen and focus on the minimap.
Always be anal when dealing with drone counts and saturation.
Hotkey your larva/eggs!

Intimate Macro:

Don't be afraid to save larva once you've hit your benchmark in regards to Drones. Larva doesn't disappear!
Try to make drones while looking at something else to make your APM as efficient as possible.
Always strive to minimally counter everything you're up against.

Intimate ZvP:

Always try to have an overlord spotting the gasses in the natural (after FFE)
There are two kinds of forcefields: offensive and defensive; make sure you can distinguish these FF's and only engage when your opponent utilizes offensive forcefields.
Deal with Stargate units with Queens and Spores
Roach/Hydra is generally a bad composition, but can be viable if you're behind (i.e. losing your third to gay zealot pressure)
If you can, going Roach/Ling is sometimes a better decision than just going pure roach as you can build up a gas deposit and tech easily because of the gas-less ling production.
Strive to build the units that take the longest to make first (roaches) when defending a push, so when the push comes, you can reinforce with faster-creating units (lings).

Intimate ZvT:

Don't be afraid to drop down a roach warren if you suspect a large hellion count or mech. It's a mineral-only investment and isn't detrimental to your tech and keeps you safe.
Mutas are never a good option when you're behind--always go Infestors!
Creep spread is important.
If you had the choice between dropping a spine or a spore (to mitigate drops), always opt for the spore as it really limits where the Terran can drop.
If you're on a low base count, infestors are always the way to go.
Always spread your army out when engaging the Terran to make Terran splitting ineffective.
Patrolling lings through drop paths is just as effective as a floating overlord and doesn't risk your supply cap from dropping.

Intimate ZvZ:

You should always try to be ahead "mentally" of your opponent.
In the mid game, a Roach/Hydra composition is more or less "equally as strong" as Roach/Infestor, but gains in advantage when the infestor player has no more energy.
You should always block your ramp with queens if you open 15h vs. 14/14 or any build where you are vulnerable to ling run-bys (usually when they have speed before you)
Skipping an early baneling nest allows you to have a slightly better mineral income, which means you can make extra queens and spines in the event of an attack before you have roach tech.
Keep in mind that a third is generally a huge investment and should be only taken when you have some sort of advantage. It costs 350 minerals, lowers your income, and doesn't take in effect until you actually have drones there.

Credit: Romelako for compiling this list

Soon....soon

smwatkin

Canada399 Posts

January 18 2012 06:01 GMT

Thanks for the spotlight Team Liquid!

We'll make this thread our new home base and continue to update. Look for new episodes every Tuesday!

Holcan

Canada2593 Posts

January 18 2012 06:03 GMT

! Yay stoic content ! :D

MaV_gGSC

Canada1345 Posts

January 18 2012 06:09 GMT

:D stoic regret

romelako

United States373 Posts

January 18 2012 06:20 GMT

I posted in the other thread, but I just wanted to thank you guys for the amazing analysis you guys have provided with this videos. I can definitely say that these videos have helped me A LOT, and has allowed me to notice things that I would not normally notice in my games (even at Mid-masters).

Please continue to do this!

quakerix

Netherlands172 Posts

January 18 2012 08:08 GMT

Subscribed!

Ever since mrbitter quit his live coaching and 12weeks with the pro's and stuff i was missing out on some high lvl zerg stuff.

Immaterial

Canada510 Posts

January 18 2012 08:24 GMT

Excellent videos. I've only watched two so far but they were both filled with tons of valuable insight. gg wp

nastyyy

United States262 Posts

January 18 2012 08:27 GMT

Hmm...I feel like I can learn from this. We'll see.

Phate4219

United States20 Posts

January 18 2012 08:30 GMT

Awesome stuff keep it up.

Vortigan

Denmark306 Posts

January 18 2012 11:17 GMT

#10

great vids... why no spines in ZvP?

smwatkin

Canada399 Posts

January 18 2012 14:41 GMT

#11

On January 18 2012 17:08 quakerix wrote:
Subscribed!

Ever since mrbitter quit his live coaching and 12weeks with the pro's and stuff i was missing out on some high lvl zerg stuff.

Mr. Bitter's contributions to the community were enourmous at the time, but I think what's he's doing now is more important for eSports. He is a regular face that people associate with the industry. The downfall: he simply doesn't have as much time as he used to. He is still contributing in a way that may not directly help individuals, but helps us all as a group!

We can only hope to put out some content that's as valuable as 12 weeks with the pros.

-Nuvo

smwatkin

Canada399 Posts

January 18 2012 14:50 GMT

#12

On January 18 2012 20:17 Vortigan wrote:
great vids... why no spines in ZvP?

Spines are useful in certain situations, but in others you simply don't need to waste the resources. For example, in the game vs ZeNEXYong, David elected to get burrow instead of spines; you don't need to invest in both becaues one will suffice. His scouting indicated a ground army pressure.

It is also very map dependent. What I mean by that is, on large maps (like Tal'darim) where it will take a protoss army a long time to get across the map, spines are not necessary because you can get your required tech ready before the push arrives. On Xel'Naga caverns, which is a very small map, spines are not as useful as burrow because there are basically 3 entrances to the natural and several choke points which are good for Protoss.

A good time to use spines would be if you are teching to something that may take a little more econ. Example: infestor play. It's hard to get enough infestors with lings to hold off a 6-7 gate all in that's executed properly at the correct timing without spine crawlers. It is possible, however, to hold this off without spines if you stay on a tier one roach ling army with creep spread and a macro hatch.

Archas

United States6531 Posts

January 18 2012 14:54 GMT

#13

I expected something like a romantic dinner, followed by candles around a heart-shaped bed while you played SCII in skimpy lingerie.

But this works too.

Xorphene

United Kingdom492 Posts

January 18 2012 15:04 GMT

#14

This is so many kinds of awesome. The mindset is amazing. Loving it.

edit: Could you upload the replays for parts 1-3 please?

smwatkin

Canada399 Posts

January 18 2012 15:59 GMT

#15

On January 19 2012 00:04 Xorphene wrote:
This is so many kinds of awesome. The mindset is amazing. Loving it.

edit: Could you upload the replays for parts 1-3 please?

No problem, I'll upload tonight after I get home from work.

Northern_iight

Canada363 Posts

January 18 2012 16:47 GMT

#16

these are very good. Thank you Stoic for making this videos
at the end of part 4 you guys mentioned past episodes are in vods. I'd just like to input that part 4 was well done on you tube and I think most people prefer that. So people can easily jump to the part with the match up they are looking for

GypsyBeast

Canada630 Posts

January 18 2012 17:14 GMT

#17

killer guide man, really appreciate a Zerg guide thats not all about allining

tarpman

Canada720 Posts

January 18 2012 17:28 GMT

#18

Thanks for the videos! The ZvZ ones were especially useful for me in terms of scouting and what to look for... judging who is ahead and by how much in ZvZ is something I struggle with as well as when/how to transition safely to higher tech.

One thing is confusing me about the ZvP on Xel Naga: how does burrow allow you to defend that push? Five roaches is so few that I expected the protoss to just kill them without even thinking about it and move on to the drones... I was really surprised when he backed off after seeing burrow. Why didn't he just move forward and start attacking drones after the roaches burrowed?

edit: and if he had just moved forward instead of backing off, what could zerg have done about it?

sonigo

Switzerland38 Posts

January 18 2012 17:42 GMT

#19

really informative vods, keep them coming! :D

smwatkin

Canada399 Posts

January 18 2012 18:06 GMT

#20

On January 19 2012 01:47 Northern_iight wrote:
these are very good. Thank you Stoic for making this videos
at the end of part 4 you guys mentioned past episodes are in vods. I'd just like to input that part 4 was well done on you tube and I think most people prefer that. So people can easily jump to the part with the match up they are looking for

Youtube will be the format from now on. We get much better quality that way.

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