• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 15:18
CET 20:18
KST 04:18
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
[ASL22] Finals Preview: Sweet Victory!9[ASL22] Ro4 Preview: Mirror Mirror6[ASL22] Ro8 Preview: Within Reach5[ASL22] Ro8 Preview: In A Tizzy11[ASL22] Ro16 Preview: Holy Diver5
Community News
Evil Geniuses - shutting down14ISSL (IntoTheTV x SOOP SC2 League): Premier5Weekly Cups (October 12-18): 5.0.17 era begins1[$1250] International ShieldBattery League65Weekly Cups (October 5-11): Farewell to 5.0.167
StarCraft 2
General
No more SC2 streamers on team liquid? REPORT: StarCraft 2: Remastered In Development Evil Geniuses - shutting down How do you feel about the mass reverts in the 5.0.17 PTR? Daily SC2 Player Grid - feedback wanted
Tourneys
ScienceCraft (October 24-25) - Live Event Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament RSL goes to London! 2026 Offline Finals Nov 21-22 ISSL (IntoTheTV x SOOP SC2 League): Premier WORTEX Challenger Series — Open SC2 LAN in Budapes
Strategy
[H] ZvP Mid-Late Game: Stalkers Collossi HT
Custom Maps
[G] How to playtest arcade maps [A] Nemrods 1/4 players [M] (2) Sweltering Sands
External Content
Mutation # 549 Endless Sparkles The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 548 Shining Bright Mutation # 547 Temple Of Terror
Brood War
General
Do we even care about balance? [Recap] 0-6 Defeat for Mong's Team BW General Discussion Rollback Netcode in Brood War Bot on ladder
Tourneys
[$1250] International ShieldBattery League [BSL23] RO24 Group C Small VOD Thread 2.0 2v2v2v2 Tournament
Strategy
Cliff Jump Revisited (1 in a 1000 strategy) 50,000-Word Terran Builds Memo 2026-10-22 Simple Questions, Simple Answers
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Nintendo Switch Thread Armies of Exigo - YesYes? General RTS Discussion Thread Dawn of War IV
Dota 2
Dota 2 Champions League Season 3 Begins April 25!
League of Legends
[TL LoL EUW IHs] Teemo shall perish
Heroes of the Storm
Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine Canadian Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Artificial Intelligence Thread
Fan Clubs
Serral Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Anime Discussion Thread Movie Discussion! [Manga] One Piece
Sports
Football (Soccer) Thread TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 MLB/Baseball 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
Recent Gifted Posts
Blogs
Innovate or Game Over?
TrAiDoS
ShieldBattery on Mac
Kraekkling
[ASL22] Ro4 Day1 Ticket Giv…
bITt.mAN
Can Bots Beat Pros?? Starcr…
namkraft
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 11533 users

Intimate ZvX with Stoic - Page 4

Forum Index > SC2 General
Post a Reply
Prev 1 2 3 4 5 6 51 52 53 Next
Hairy
Profile Joined February 2011
United Kingdom1169 Posts
January 25 2012 11:39 GMT
#61
On January 18 2012 14:59 smwatkin wrote:
Game 1 - David vs QxGDestiny
David plays a ZvZ and mixes it up on Metalopolis by not doing a hatch first build despite the close by air positions.

+ Show Spoiler +


I've not watched this episode yet so forgive me if this is covered in the video, but I had heard that on metalopolis close air positions 'pool chicken' dictated that both players "should" fast expand (evidently you do not, but you will undoubtedly explain this in the video).

To continue this idea, however, some have thought to fast expand to the GOLD instead of their natural, which seems difficult for your hatch-firsting opponent to punish. What do you think about this idea? Do you think it has any merit? I have tried this myself a few times against another Diamond zerg opponent in customs, but we are obviously both so bad it's difficult to conclude much.

Cheers
Sometimes I sits and thinks, and sometimes I just sits
stoicRegret
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada206 Posts
January 25 2012 13:19 GMT
#62
It is very viable to take the gold expansion vs a normal expansion on meta. However, as with all risky openings, there are a few disadvantages. In this specific case, position is the primary concern. Here is a list of common problems that you have to consider, and if you can anticipate what is coming, then it will work:
- your drones have a far distance to travel, meaning less minerals for the first few important seconds of the game
- you can only build defensive spines at one location, making it impossible to have less army value then your oppoenent, because he can almost always attack you in open space
- you larva at one hatch is too far to defend the other hatch, meaning you cannot minimally defend something and have to have enough units out and about already
smwatkin
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada399 Posts
January 27 2012 00:44 GMT
#63
any thoughts on a live show?
Drumz
Profile Joined May 2010
United Kingdom32 Posts
January 28 2012 03:34 GMT
#64
yes! do a live show! most preferably with regret being tired and playing some random people who comment on what dumb move they just made! :D
Wilshire093
Profile Joined June 2011
United States31 Posts
January 28 2012 22:12 GMT
#65
i like this
nGBeast
Profile Joined July 2010
United States914 Posts
January 28 2012 22:15 GMT
#66
does regret still let naked hobos sleep on his couch?
smwatkin
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada399 Posts
January 29 2012 03:07 GMT
#67
On January 29 2012 07:15 nGBeast wrote:
does regret still let naked hobos sleep on his couch?

yup
Holcan
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada2593 Posts
January 29 2012 04:55 GMT
#68
need a place to crash beast?
Reference The Inadvertant Joey, Strong talented orchastrasted intelligent character.
nGBeast
Profile Joined July 2010
United States914 Posts
January 29 2012 05:00 GMT
#69
Only if its on your couch
Holcan
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada2593 Posts
January 29 2012 05:15 GMT
#70
still my hotel room isn't good enough
Reference The Inadvertant Joey, Strong talented orchastrasted intelligent character.
nGBeast
Profile Joined July 2010
United States914 Posts
January 29 2012 05:33 GMT
#71
I'm going to MLG Columbus this year, you guys should go! I'll be 21 so I can get you guys drunk!
smwatkin
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada399 Posts
February 01 2012 00:03 GMT
#72
Episode 6 is up.

Cheers,

-stoicNuvo
Holcan
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada2593 Posts
February 02 2012 19:02 GMT
#73
On January 29 2012 14:33 nGBeast wrote:
I'm going to MLG Columbus this year, you guys should go! I'll be 21 so I can get you guys drunk!

Oh, I should be there. Baron too hopefully. Now just need WorpeX to confirm
Reference The Inadvertant Joey, Strong talented orchastrasted intelligent character.
Hairy
Profile Joined February 2011
United Kingdom1169 Posts
February 03 2012 06:21 GMT
#74
Almost finished watching the last part of episode 6. I forgot to mention - GJ fixing the sound balance. It is now completely comfortable to listen to and everyone can be heard no problem; that was a big problem in early videos. I also like that in certain big battles you are removing the UI to make it easier to see. I would only warn that this should be used sparingly (just as it is currently), as without the minimap and production menu the spectator is effectively blind.

Keep it up guys, good vids. I still think doing entire episodes based around one matchup and exposing the (sometimes subtle) differences in how the game should be played out as you respond to your opponent would be valuable, but what you're doing right now is still solid work. Seeing high level games and hearing WHY you are doing what you are doing is great for learning.
Sometimes I sits and thinks, and sometimes I just sits
smwatkin
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada399 Posts
February 03 2012 18:39 GMT
#75
Thanks for the feedback!

What race would you guys like to see this week if we were to do one match up? I'll add a poll to main thread to see what matchup people want.
romelako
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States373 Posts
February 03 2012 19:53 GMT
#76
So have you guys figured out why you guys get way out of sync despite starting sync'd and playing the replay at the same speed?
smwatkin
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada399 Posts
February 03 2012 20:34 GMT
#77
it's most likely because my computer is awesome and David's is SHIT
romelako
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States373 Posts
February 03 2012 20:35 GMT
#78
makes sense
Hairy
Profile Joined February 2011
United Kingdom1169 Posts
February 04 2012 01:50 GMT
#79
NOOOooooo ZvP is winning the poll! ZvP is easy! I need ZvT! :[

[image loading]

Help me :'( /cry
Sometimes I sits and thinks, and sometimes I just sits
AtlasJQ
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada138 Posts
February 04 2012 02:29 GMT
#80
I can't praise this series enough. I am a mid-masters (500 pts) zerg and this type of analysis is exactly what I've been needing to understand some of the high-level decision making and strategy that differentiates top masters/GMs from the high diamond/low masters players.

I would subscribe 1000x if I could.
An old schooler from Katans Lair and Mavens Haven - | - Fav SC accomplishment: Beating SSamjang in the first i2e2. Yes, that SSamjang. I am old :(
Prev 1 2 3 4 5 6 51 52 53 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
FEL
19:00
ScienceCraft - Day 2
IndyStarCraft 961
LiquipediaDiscussion
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
IndyStarCraft 1012
BRAT_OK 94
EmSc Tv 8
JuggernautJason0
StarCraft: Brood War
Britney 11277
Shuttle 421
Dewaltoss 163
ProTech154
Last 53
Hm[arnc] 45
Aegong 24
Dota 2
Gorgc11513
LuMiX0
League of Legends
JimRising 595
Heroes of the Storm
Liquid`Hasu490
Other Games
Grubby3332
Liquid`RaSZi2075
FrodaN1699
singsing1493
Beastyqt1000
B2W.Neo981
olofmeister778
Mlord597
mouzStarbuck219
XaKoH 74
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick1406
StarCraft 2
angryscii 24
EmSc Tv 8
EmSc2Tv 8
[ Show 22 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Adnapsc2 30
• Reevou 17
• maralekos3
• HeavenSC 1
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• Migwel
StarCraft: Brood War
• Airneanach59
• Azhi_Dahaki27
• ChaeLyn 8
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• C_a_k_e 3252
• WagamamaTV391
League of Legends
• Jankos3505
• Nemesis3388
• Scarra926
Other Games
• imaqtpie611
• Shiphtur437
Upcoming Events
Replay Cast
3h 43m
WardiTV Weekly
16h 43m
IntoTheTV X SOOP
1d 15h
ByuN vs Lambo
MaxPax vs Bunny
PiGosaur Cup
2 days
The PondCast
2 days
Kung Fu Cup
2 days
IntoTheTV X SOOP
3 days
SHIN vs GuMiho
Clem vs Classic
WardiTV Invitational
4 days
GSL
4 days
Epic.LAN
4 days
[ Show More ]
Replay Cast
5 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
5 days
Epic.LAN
5 days
Yamato Cup
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Acropolis #5 - GSC
Blizzard Classic Cup 2026
HCC Season 3

Ongoing

Acropolis #5
KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 4
BSL Season 23
PGL Masters Bucharest 2026
1win Private Club #2
Thunderpick World Champ. '26
ESL Pro League Season 24
Stake Ranked Episode 4
1win Private Club #1
Logitech G Play Connect 2026
SL StarSeries Fall 2026
FISSURE Playground #3
BLAST Open Fall 2026
Esports World Cup 2026

Upcoming

IPSL Winter 2026-27
SC4ALL II: Brood War
BSL 23: Non-Korean Championship
HSC XXX
Stellar Fest 2: Lunar Cup
SC4ALL II: StarCraft II
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
RSL Offline Finals
eXTREMESLAND 2026
PGL Major Singapore 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 6
BLAST Rivals Fall 2026
IEM Beijing 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 5
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.