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Hairy
Profile Joined February 2011
United Kingdom1169 Posts
January 25 2012 11:39 GMT
#61
On January 18 2012 14:59 smwatkin wrote:
Game 1 - David vs QxGDestiny
David plays a ZvZ and mixes it up on Metalopolis by not doing a hatch first build despite the close by air positions.

+ Show Spoiler +


I've not watched this episode yet so forgive me if this is covered in the video, but I had heard that on metalopolis close air positions 'pool chicken' dictated that both players "should" fast expand (evidently you do not, but you will undoubtedly explain this in the video).

To continue this idea, however, some have thought to fast expand to the GOLD instead of their natural, which seems difficult for your hatch-firsting opponent to punish. What do you think about this idea? Do you think it has any merit? I have tried this myself a few times against another Diamond zerg opponent in customs, but we are obviously both so bad it's difficult to conclude much.

Cheers
Sometimes I sits and thinks, and sometimes I just sits
stoicRegret
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada206 Posts
January 25 2012 13:19 GMT
#62
It is very viable to take the gold expansion vs a normal expansion on meta. However, as with all risky openings, there are a few disadvantages. In this specific case, position is the primary concern. Here is a list of common problems that you have to consider, and if you can anticipate what is coming, then it will work:
- your drones have a far distance to travel, meaning less minerals for the first few important seconds of the game
- you can only build defensive spines at one location, making it impossible to have less army value then your oppoenent, because he can almost always attack you in open space
- you larva at one hatch is too far to defend the other hatch, meaning you cannot minimally defend something and have to have enough units out and about already
smwatkin
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada399 Posts
January 27 2012 00:44 GMT
#63
any thoughts on a live show?
Drumz
Profile Joined May 2010
United Kingdom32 Posts
January 28 2012 03:34 GMT
#64
yes! do a live show! most preferably with regret being tired and playing some random people who comment on what dumb move they just made! :D
Wilshire093
Profile Joined June 2011
United States31 Posts
January 28 2012 22:12 GMT
#65
i like this
nGBeast
Profile Joined July 2010
United States914 Posts
January 28 2012 22:15 GMT
#66
does regret still let naked hobos sleep on his couch?
smwatkin
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada399 Posts
January 29 2012 03:07 GMT
#67
On January 29 2012 07:15 nGBeast wrote:
does regret still let naked hobos sleep on his couch?

yup
Holcan
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada2593 Posts
January 29 2012 04:55 GMT
#68
need a place to crash beast?
Reference The Inadvertant Joey, Strong talented orchastrasted intelligent character.
nGBeast
Profile Joined July 2010
United States914 Posts
January 29 2012 05:00 GMT
#69
Only if its on your couch
Holcan
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada2593 Posts
January 29 2012 05:15 GMT
#70
still my hotel room isn't good enough
Reference The Inadvertant Joey, Strong talented orchastrasted intelligent character.
nGBeast
Profile Joined July 2010
United States914 Posts
January 29 2012 05:33 GMT
#71
I'm going to MLG Columbus this year, you guys should go! I'll be 21 so I can get you guys drunk!
smwatkin
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada399 Posts
February 01 2012 00:03 GMT
#72
Episode 6 is up.

Cheers,

-stoicNuvo
Holcan
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada2593 Posts
February 02 2012 19:02 GMT
#73
On January 29 2012 14:33 nGBeast wrote:
I'm going to MLG Columbus this year, you guys should go! I'll be 21 so I can get you guys drunk!

Oh, I should be there. Baron too hopefully. Now just need WorpeX to confirm
Reference The Inadvertant Joey, Strong talented orchastrasted intelligent character.
Hairy
Profile Joined February 2011
United Kingdom1169 Posts
February 03 2012 06:21 GMT
#74
Almost finished watching the last part of episode 6. I forgot to mention - GJ fixing the sound balance. It is now completely comfortable to listen to and everyone can be heard no problem; that was a big problem in early videos. I also like that in certain big battles you are removing the UI to make it easier to see. I would only warn that this should be used sparingly (just as it is currently), as without the minimap and production menu the spectator is effectively blind.

Keep it up guys, good vids. I still think doing entire episodes based around one matchup and exposing the (sometimes subtle) differences in how the game should be played out as you respond to your opponent would be valuable, but what you're doing right now is still solid work. Seeing high level games and hearing WHY you are doing what you are doing is great for learning.
Sometimes I sits and thinks, and sometimes I just sits
smwatkin
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada399 Posts
February 03 2012 18:39 GMT
#75
Thanks for the feedback!

What race would you guys like to see this week if we were to do one match up? I'll add a poll to main thread to see what matchup people want.
romelako
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States373 Posts
February 03 2012 19:53 GMT
#76
So have you guys figured out why you guys get way out of sync despite starting sync'd and playing the replay at the same speed?
smwatkin
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada399 Posts
February 03 2012 20:34 GMT
#77
it's most likely because my computer is awesome and David's is SHIT
romelako
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States373 Posts
February 03 2012 20:35 GMT
#78
makes sense
Hairy
Profile Joined February 2011
United Kingdom1169 Posts
February 04 2012 01:50 GMT
#79
NOOOooooo ZvP is winning the poll! ZvP is easy! I need ZvT! :[

[image loading]

Help me :'( /cry
Sometimes I sits and thinks, and sometimes I just sits
AtlasJQ
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada138 Posts
February 04 2012 02:29 GMT
#80
I can't praise this series enough. I am a mid-masters (500 pts) zerg and this type of analysis is exactly what I've been needing to understand some of the high-level decision making and strategy that differentiates top masters/GMs from the high diamond/low masters players.

I would subscribe 1000x if I could.
An old schooler from Katans Lair and Mavens Haven - | - Fav SC accomplishment: Beating SSamjang in the first i2e2. Yes, that SSamjang. I am old :(
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