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Discussing the controversy and stating your opinions in a constructive way is fine, but there will be bans for any player/organization bashing without anything to substantiate it.
WesleyLok
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada99 Posts
January 18 2012 05:54 GMT
#61
Oh wow, seems really really dirty by fnatic. Luring in TSL by false promises of a partnership so they can get close to alive, then sniping alive and ditching the partnership.
Blasterion
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
China10272 Posts
January 18 2012 05:55 GMT
#62
On January 18 2012 14:53 Kommander wrote:
It's either TSL's the most unlucky team in the world, or TSL's one of the most mismanaged teams right now. Either way, I can't really see how TSL can continue to be competitive by constantly losing key players left and right.

idk Mama Bear is probably one of the nicest coaches around. And I think he does pretty well for his past records. I mean when you hear Mama Bear you connect him with being a good coach.
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LimitSEA
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia9580 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-18 05:55:21
January 18 2012 05:55 GMT
#63
Wow. :/ Sucks that this is happening to TSL again. And a real shame that the partnership between TSL and fnatic had to fall through for this to happen, that could've been perfect for Moon and other fnatic players to get some practice in practice house in Korea.
Long live the King of Wings
Raambo11
Profile Joined April 2011
United States828 Posts
January 18 2012 05:55 GMT
#64
Man if this goes through Alive is gonna start tearing up foreign tourneys big time, as far as I know hed be the best Korean to join a foreign team.
Goibon
Profile Joined May 2010
New Zealand8185 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-18 06:18:27
January 18 2012 05:55 GMT
#65
edited in case more wussies quote and cry
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PetRockSteve
Profile Joined February 2011
United States70 Posts
January 18 2012 05:55 GMT
#66
I am going to wait until more information comes out (one-sided arguments), as I can't really form an opinion on this bit of news. Until then, I'm going to get some popcorn.
Fionn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States23455 Posts
January 18 2012 05:56 GMT
#67
This is actually worse than EG. At least with EG, Puma had no contract and Lee sent Puma away to America. It could be called shady by EG, but it still wasn't breaching any contracts. If it's true that Lee let Fnatic into his team house, let them stay and practice there, and one of the members of Fnatic (translator, member, whatever) pretty much got Alive to leave, breaching his contract, then that's pretty bullshit and Lee should be pissed.

It's like getting invited into someone's house and stealing their expensive television. Not cool.

But this is all depends on if Lee is telling the truth/Fnatic is innocent, etc.
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iSometric
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
2221 Posts
January 18 2012 05:56 GMT
#68
Go zerglee gogo!
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ChuCky.Ca
Profile Joined July 2011
Canada2497 Posts
January 18 2012 05:57 GMT
#69
On January 18 2012 14:55 Goibon wrote:
I'm sick of all these foreign teams hurting ESPORTS.

Do they just not give a shit?

-_-

wait for the facts before you make one of the stupidest comments ive ever read
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Jaxtyk
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States600 Posts
January 18 2012 05:57 GMT
#70
I feel bad for manager lee
To tell the truth....I could beat anyone in the world.
AxelTVx
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada916 Posts
January 18 2012 05:57 GMT
#71
Joining foreign teams is the way to go, but like this? It's just wrong... FNATIC and Alive do need to be fined for this act.
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Rubber
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States150 Posts
January 18 2012 05:57 GMT
#72
Come on... teams really need to start handling these sorts of situations with more professionalism, this is just sad.
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Devastating
Profile Joined January 2012
United States9 Posts
January 18 2012 05:57 GMT
#73
On January 18 2012 14:55 Goibon wrote:
I'm sick of all these foreign teams hurting ESPORTS.

Do they just not give a shit?

-_-


It's all about the money, man. It's all about the money.
GuiltyJerk
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States584 Posts
January 18 2012 05:57 GMT
#74
On January 18 2012 14:45 kineSiS- wrote:
Is there an actual contract that TSL has with Alive?


Probably not, and everyone's going to give Fnatic a lot of shit for "poaching" aLive despite there being no contract
Colonial
Profile Joined June 2011
United States81 Posts
January 18 2012 05:57 GMT
#75
If its true...time to bombard Fnatic with angry emails about hurting ESPORTS :D. E-Sports Fans untie! :D
"All your parties are our pre-parties cause you ain't from IV!"
tubs
Profile Joined March 2010
764 Posts
January 18 2012 05:57 GMT
#76
Really starting to feel bad for TSL. This stuff just seems to keep happening to them.
"Roach dies to immortal and rockit black guy" - Tierdal.thex
Bidoux
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada60 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-18 05:58:32
January 18 2012 05:58 GMT
#77
Inb4 the...




cheers
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VoiceOfDecember
Profile Joined December 2010
Australia206 Posts
January 18 2012 05:58 GMT
#78
TSL Head Coach Lee Woon Jae should know that whatever tactics that are available to you, you can and should use them to seal a win over your opponent for the win. I think Coach Lee is calling IMBA on players leaving his team. And what did we learn from Day9 ep 400? lol
If I keep making drones and expanding while fending off their attacks, I'm sure to win...right?
VirgilSC2
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States6151 Posts
January 18 2012 05:58 GMT
#79
On January 18 2012 14:57 GuiltyJerk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 18 2012 14:45 kineSiS- wrote:
Is there an actual contract that TSL has with Alive?


Probably not, and everyone's going to give Fnatic a lot of shit for "poaching" aLive despite there being no contract

After the PuMa deal with EG, all of TSL's players have been under contract.
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garbodor
Profile Joined October 2011
269 Posts
January 18 2012 05:58 GMT
#80
On January 18 2012 14:57 GuiltyJerk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 18 2012 14:45 kineSiS- wrote:
Is there an actual contract that TSL has with Alive?


Probably not, and everyone's going to give Fnatic a lot of shit for "poaching" aLive despite there being no contract



Do you know how to read?

Coach Lee is also considering taking legal measures, such as suing Alive for breach of contract.
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