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Discussing the controversy and stating your opinions in a constructive way is fine, but there will be bans for any player/organization bashing without anything to substantiate it.
FXOpen
Profile Joined November 2010
Australia1844 Posts
January 18 2012 06:02 GMT
#101
wOah.. Backing coach lee on this one.

I am almost 100% sure there is a contract.

But I don't blame fnatic. I blame Alive (Flame retardant jacket on) he should know better than to do this without a long long conversation with his current team.
www.twitter.com/FXOpenESports
Goibon
Profile Joined May 2010
New Zealand8185 Posts
January 18 2012 06:02 GMT
#102
On January 18 2012 14:59 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 18 2012 14:55 Goibon wrote:
I'm sick of all these foreign teams hurting ESPORTS.

Do they just not give a shit?

-_-


You're already placing 100% of the blame on Fnatic? Wasn't it already established that the Puma acquisition didn't *hurt* e-sports, in that players should have contracts? If anything, the TSL coach recognized (or should have recognized- we'll hopefully see soon) that he has to know what his players are doing.

Don't jump the gun on a verdict.

It's a symptom of a greater problem. If i have to shit on the teams taking advantage of legal technicalities or whatever convenient set of circumstances reveals itself to be the truth, so be it.

Fact is, this stuff continues to happen, and it makes the entire industry look like a complete fucking joke. And that makes it even more difficult to support it. How are sponsors viewing this? It's embarrassing to be a part of it, it must be very difficult to put money into it.

I just don't understand how this continues to happen. It's like we're living in the stone age, not 2012. It is hurting my head.

I want there to be more FXOs and TLs in this world. But i'm getting the other end of the stick shoved in my face over and over.
Leenock =^_^= Ryung =^_^= Parting =^_^= herO =^_^= Guilty
Colonial
Profile Joined June 2011
United States81 Posts
January 18 2012 06:02 GMT
#103
On January 18 2012 14:59 ChuCky.Ca wrote:
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On January 18 2012 14:58 Sublimexx wrote:
Why would you leave TSL to join a sub par, half dead foreign team?

ya there so dead they have only recruited toD, Rain, Moon, and now alive ya there so dead


Rain...haven't seen him since that one MLG. Isnt he perma banned from GSL?
Moon..alright but gets wrecked by other Koreans

So not exactly a winning team. TSL stood a better chance of becoming a greater team then Fnatic.
"All your parties are our pre-parties cause you ain't from IV!"
VirgilSC2
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States6151 Posts
January 18 2012 06:03 GMT
#104
On January 18 2012 15:01 babylon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 18 2012 14:59 VirgilSC2 wrote:
On January 18 2012 14:58 McFeser wrote:
Who does that leave on TSL? Polt, Hyun and . . .

Feel free to read my signature.

Does that means his best friend that he left with wasn't on TSL at the time?

This just makes me think ToD for some reason, lol.


No, sadly, it's another TSL player -_-

On January 18 2012 15:01 Xeris wrote:
Holy crap lol... I knew about Moon joining, but I actually had no clue about this one. #________#

Should have taken my word for it Xeris
Clarity Gaming #1 Fan | Avid MTG Grinder | @VirgilSC2
Seeker *
Profile Blog Joined April 2005
Where dat snitch at?37041 Posts
January 18 2012 06:03 GMT
#105
:/...... TSL.......

aLive what u doing man?
ModeratorPeople ask me, "Seeker, what are you seeking?" My answer? "Sleep, damn it! Always sleep!"
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Fionn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States23455 Posts
January 18 2012 06:03 GMT
#106
On January 18 2012 15:02 FXOpen wrote:
wOah.. Backing coach lee on this one.

I am almost 100% sure there is a contract.

But I don't blame fnatic. I blame Alive (Flame retardant jacket on) he should know better than to do this without a long long conversation with his current team.


Thanks for the insight like always, Boss.

If there was a contract, then Fnatic pretty much did the douchiest thing I could think a pro team could ever do. A team INVITES YOU to their training house, trying to form a partnership, let's you practice there, and then you poach one of their two aces (alongside Polt) and then bolt? Who cares if it was the translator who persuaded Alive. He's still employed by your team.

Writerhttps://twitter.com/FionnOnFire
ArvickHero
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
10387 Posts
January 18 2012 06:04 GMT
#107
This reminds me of MBCGame's BW team losing all their top players, except the controversy and underhanded tactics
Writerptrk
mrRoflpwn
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States2618 Posts
January 18 2012 06:04 GMT
#108
im kinda of wondering why there is no statement of alive even joining Fnatic. I mean fnatic announced moon in a professional manner (like always)- but no statement on the acquisition of a Code S player ? wtf I don't believe this.
Long live the Boss Toss!
JayDee_
Profile Joined June 2010
548 Posts
January 18 2012 06:04 GMT
#109
A breach of contract is grounds for legal recourse. However, if you can't keep your players happy with competitive salaries/conditions, then you are the one at fault when they want greener pastures.
FakeDeath
Profile Joined January 2011
Malaysia6060 Posts
January 18 2012 06:04 GMT
#110
On January 18 2012 15:01 hyperknight wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 18 2012 14:59 VirgilSC2 wrote:
On January 18 2012 14:58 McFeser wrote:
Who does that leave on TSL? Polt, Hyun and . . .

Feel free to read my signature.


Ex-BW player Heart has already walked out of TSL btw. Might want to update your signature.


Source? I dunno about this.
Play your best
babylon
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
8765 Posts
January 18 2012 06:05 GMT
#111
On January 18 2012 15:03 VirgilSC2 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 18 2012 15:01 babylon wrote:
On January 18 2012 14:59 VirgilSC2 wrote:
On January 18 2012 14:58 McFeser wrote:
Who does that leave on TSL? Polt, Hyun and . . .

Feel free to read my signature.

Does that means his best friend that he left with wasn't on TSL at the time?

This just makes me think ToD for some reason, lol.


No, sadly, it's another TSL player -_-

Ouccccchhhh, that's gotta hurt.

Do you know if the other player is getting picked up by Fnatic as well or did he just ... leave? Randomly.
VirgilSC2
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States6151 Posts
January 18 2012 06:05 GMT
#112
On January 18 2012 15:04 mrRoflpwn wrote:
im kinda of wondering why there is no statement of alive even joining Fnatic. I mean fnatic announced moon in a professional manner (like always)- but no statement on the acquisition of a Code S player ? wtf I don't believe this.

I believe they were waiting to make the announcement after Moon's.

It's been in conflict for quite a while now though.
Clarity Gaming #1 Fan | Avid MTG Grinder | @VirgilSC2
rUiNati0n
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1155 Posts
January 18 2012 06:05 GMT
#113
On January 18 2012 15:01 hyperknight wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 18 2012 14:59 VirgilSC2 wrote:
On January 18 2012 14:58 McFeser wrote:
Who does that leave on TSL? Polt, Hyun and . . .

Feel free to read my signature.


Ex-BW player Heart has already walked out of TSL btw. Might want to update your signature.

When did Heart leave!?
eating corn while thinking about eating more corn
hyperknight
Profile Joined May 2011
294 Posts
January 18 2012 06:05 GMT
#114
On January 18 2012 15:04 mrRoflpwn wrote:
im kinda of wondering why there is no statement of alive even joining Fnatic. I mean fnatic announced moon in a professional manner (like always)- but no statement on the acquisition of a Code S player ? wtf I don't believe this.


EXACTLY. Somethings not right with these accusations.
"you 6poll?" - aLive to IdrA on NASL Sunday Showmatch, Feb 2012
StatikKhaos
Profile Joined January 2011
United States214 Posts
January 18 2012 06:06 GMT
#115
Man eg aren't they terrible?
Those Bitches
Mrvoodoochild1
Profile Joined June 2011
United States1439 Posts
January 18 2012 06:06 GMT
#116
Too much player drama with TSL. It's getting old.
"let your freak flag fly"
Fionn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States23455 Posts
January 18 2012 06:06 GMT
#117
If Heart seriously left, then TSL is literally down to Polt/Hyun since Heart was their third best player left.

I feel bad for Polt/Hyun. Both of them are so damn good.
Writerhttps://twitter.com/FionnOnFire
AxelTVx
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada916 Posts
January 18 2012 06:06 GMT
#118
On January 18 2012 15:03 VirgilSC2 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 18 2012 15:01 babylon wrote:
On January 18 2012 14:59 VirgilSC2 wrote:
On January 18 2012 14:58 McFeser wrote:
Who does that leave on TSL? Polt, Hyun and . . .

Feel free to read my signature.

Does that means his best friend that he left with wasn't on TSL at the time?

This just makes me think ToD for some reason, lol.


No, sadly, it's another TSL player -_-

Show nested quote +
On January 18 2012 15:01 Xeris wrote:
Holy crap lol... I knew about Moon joining, but I actually had no clue about this one. #________#

Should have taken my word for it Xeris


Seriously? What other TSL player left? .... Omg... Foreign teams - You cant beat em, take em.
Axel 145 Masters Protoss
VirgilSC2
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States6151 Posts
January 18 2012 06:06 GMT
#119
On January 18 2012 15:04 FakeDeath wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 18 2012 15:01 hyperknight wrote:
On January 18 2012 14:59 VirgilSC2 wrote:
On January 18 2012 14:58 McFeser wrote:
Who does that leave on TSL? Polt, Hyun and . . .

Feel free to read my signature.


Ex-BW player Heart has already walked out of TSL btw. Might want to update your signature.


Source? I dunno about this.

Well, since someone else already posted it yes, Heart left TSL with his best friend aLive.

He is currently teamless.
Clarity Gaming #1 Fan | Avid MTG Grinder | @VirgilSC2
Baffels
Profile Joined November 2010
United States1486 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-18 06:07:16
January 18 2012 06:06 GMT
#120
On January 18 2012 15:03 VirgilSC2 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 18 2012 15:01 babylon wrote:
On January 18 2012 14:59 VirgilSC2 wrote:
On January 18 2012 14:58 McFeser wrote:
Who does that leave on TSL? Polt, Hyun and . . .

Feel free to read my signature.

Does that means his best friend that he left with wasn't on TSL at the time?

This just makes me think ToD for some reason, lol.


No, sadly, it's another TSL player -_-

Show nested quote +
On January 18 2012 15:01 Xeris wrote:
Holy crap lol... I knew about Moon joining, but I actually had no clue about this one. #________#

Should have taken my word for it Xeris


So TSL lost 2 players?

Ninja'd as I posted. Heart and Alive? Oh. My. God.
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