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On January 13 2012 14:29 Netsky wrote:Nice guy, non-elitist answer: Don't beat yourself up over it. This game is much more competitive than what you have done in the past and requires a different skill set. Just be patient and learn from your mistakes and you will improve. I hope it opens your eyes and makes you appreciate the talent of the top-tier players. GL HF 
this community need more ppl like you <3
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I started in silver league and I'm mid-high master league now. The other day I bought a smurf account and I was put into master league again within 30 wins. Let me tell you something; you are a fool if you thInk that you completely understand the game and are anything below grandmaster level. If you're in gold and you think you even understand the game in the slightest, you need to wake up. I was there once myself, and let me tell you, every single promotion that I got was because I realized the importance of a basic game mechanic. It wasn't until I hit high master league that I started to realize how bad I truely was and how much I still need to learn. If you're sub masters, you still don't understand the basics of the game whether you realize it or not.
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People need to understand that most high master players have been playing Blizzard style RTS games since BW and WC3, people that don't have these RTS gaming experiences will take longer to get to the highest levels simply because they are not completely used to the control and the intellect process behind the game at diamond/master level, especially when it comes to macro and mid/late game management. The MMR system is actually remarkably accurate. 170wins is literally nothing if you compare it to the number of RTS matches many of us have played since BW. The MMR system doesn't reward casual players either when it comes to promotion.
Also nobody really cares if you are gold or master level, if you should be at a higher league you will be there, it just takes time. 170 wins is like a week of regular gaming for some people. Think about it, if a guy tells you he should go pro at a certain FPS game after 200 wins against newbies around his skill level with a fair matching system, what would you say?
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Well let me share my experience...(High masters now)
I started SC2 when it came out (july 27 10). I was placed into bronze (no previous RTS experience) at first I massed gamed and made it easily into gold. Then a period of mass stagnation came, I couldn't pass through the gold league. So I knew I was doing something wrong... I started looking at online resources for high level play (replays etc.) and I tried copying whatever the pros did. After much hard work I managed to make it to diamond (highest league in that time) and then masters.
So to conclude I think there is no real pace at which you can get better in SC2. It all depends on how you invest your time practicing and learning. So it's obvious you are doing something wrong in your practice regime and need to find out what it is. Once you fix it you will no doubt advance at a pace unimaginable.
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I got around 800 wins to reach master(3 seasons). When i started to improve a lot, was when i learned to play all 3 races, but still sticking to one. GL.
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Everyone should be in Master League after playing for a year or so.
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I think the OP is colourising himself a little. I think you think you are better than you actually are, basically, matchmaking and blizzard leagues work in a way, that if you play enough and win enough games, you WILL GET PROMOTED. I think like 2-3 months ago blizzard posted this chart about general number of points required for league promotion; try to compare yourself to those. Try to improve, and tell yourself you are bad when you lose, it really motivates me for example, in S1 i used to be in bronze and climbed to diamond now, I don't think my play is perfect and I understand that more, the more pro replays and casts I watch. Anyways, I think a certain work ethic is needed to improve; if you tell yourself you are too good, you will probably not become better because you will not focus too much on it.
Just my 2 cents.
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You're in gold league how do you not realize that you're nothing special and compared to any competitive gamer absolutely terrible. What the hell is wrong with the sense of entitlement of all these SC2 players who think they should be pros and are in gold league? It's literally every other day I see a blog saying how "Guys I made it to gold league I'm on my way to becoming pro."
I don't want to be the guy who has to be a dick but you guys all need to get it through your head that you're all terrible and do uncountable numbers of things wrong. If you don't be realistic you'll never get better.
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To be completely honest, i just tried spent all my money and make as much shit as i can. That mindset only got me to diamond where i had to learn to to scout and react... Then you will get to master.
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On January 13 2012 14:18 BLacKOuTz wrote:
Ok so this is just a quick question the the community. I know many of you have been playing SC since BW days and what not so I'm sure you have some intel on this subject.
This is something I've been beating myself up alot lately about. I have always been a competitive gamer, but it has always been console games. I have been to MLG events and played Halo, Gears of War, and CoD at very high levels. Ive played Sc2 since season 1, but I never played it seriously until mid season 4 (5 weeks ago to be precise). I am currently bouncing around in the t20 of my gold league. I added up my wins and losses totals since i began playing 5 weeks ago and Im at about 110 wins and 100 losses. In season 1 I played 0 1v1s. In season 2 I became silver winning 17 1v1s. In season 3 I was number 1 silver and had 46 wins total , and season 4 placement got me gold and it was the only game I played til a few days b4 season 5. Now in season 5 I have 96 wins.( been goin hard ;P)
So a grand total of around 170 wins in 1v1s. Should I be higher than gold? because in my experience as a competitive gamer I have progressed through the ranks very quickly. I also feel like I know this game really well now seeing as how I've watched every video known to man, studied, taken notes, all that jazz. It is something I really want to excel at and all of this boils down to is should I be beating myself up for still being in gold, or is it a normal pace for SC1 / SC2 players.
Assuming that your ladder experience is largely coming from 1v1s, your pace is really good.
170 wins total is really not a lot @ gold level - not bad at all.
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It totally depends on if it´s your first RTS you ever played.If it´s your first RTS it´s ok to be gold with such Win/Loss.But if you played some RTS before, so you don´t know much about SC2 but you have a general sense of RTS (Macro/Macro).If you don´t play seriously you won´t improve fast.When you really want to improve you can get much better with just some basics, which you really hard practice.It´s an really easy jump in my opinion to get from gold to like high diamond.(If you´re NA,SEA or EU) server.
Maybe you´re interested I´ve needed like ~80 games to get Diamond.(was when SC2 was released)
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On January 13 2012 23:19 Sated wrote:Show nested quote +I started in silver league and I'm mid-high master league now. The other day I bought a smurf account and I was put into master league again within 30 wins. Let me tell you something; you are a fool if you thInk that you completely understand the game and are anything below grandmaster level. If you're in gold and you think you even understand the game in the slightest, you need to wake up. I was there once myself, and let me tell you, every single promotion that I got was because I realized the importance of a basic game mechanic. It wasn't until I hit high master league that I started to realize how bad I truely was and how much I still need to learn. If you're sub masters, you still don't understand the basics of the game whether you realize it or not.. I think you're mistaking "understanding the game" with "playing the game". It's entirely possible to understand the game at a high-level without being able to play the game at that high-level. Some people simply don't have good multi-tasking or don't work well under duress etc., and these are skills they have to develop by playing the game... no matter how well they understand it from a logical point of view. Which is why I said that people should start off small. You need to learn how to play the game mechanically before you can focus on the logical side of things. Without the underpinning mechanics, it doesn't matter whether or not you know the correct response - you won't be able to perform that response optimally and can/will end up losing because of it.
This guy has hit my experience on the head. I was pretty terrible (well I still am!) But I watched no end of competitive games and knew responses to builds, I have quick handspeed and what not, but if your macro is bad (which mine is) then you can only get so far. I have been practicing with a masters league friend, and if you can macro well then you will see vast improvements! Macro is the best place to start with improving. Once you have solid macro, micro'ing should be getting easier too as macroing will be a natural thing.
I am nowhere near getting really good at macro or micro at the moment but I am in platinum league purely because I can outproduce other people in the platinum league.
Oh also, an important thing is to always be having fun, even if you lose, dont get worked up, go over the replay and look at areas to improve. Strong loss analysis will get you a long way!
gl hf!
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On January 13 2012 20:26 Bill Murray wrote:
I've only had my new computer, and SC2, for about the past 2 weeks
I've gone from Bronze to Gold in that time
I am going to hit platinum tonight, if it kills me
different strokes
happy cheesing.
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I'm also trying to get better. I have been playing since the end of season 3 ladder lock. I had no experience in any RTS game whatsoever. Neither in any other strategy game. I only playd CoD4 on fairly high levels on PC aswell as on console. After my placement matches i was already placed in gold. Currently i am top 3 diamond, and playing against masters. Im not sure wether this is fast progress or not. Altough i have the feeling i could have been in masters already because i havent played to much lately. I have 269 1v1 league wins. So, am i progressing fast, or could i go faster?
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"Should I be higher than gold?"
You should be exactly where you are, OP. You need to take into account the fact that other players are practicing at rates that may be higher than yours, and the leagues have become even more competitive over the past year. Gold nowadays isn't as bad as gold was during release. Master league is much better than it was half a year ago. Et cetera. If you practice more and put in more time and effort, there's a very good chance you'll make more progress, faster.
And you also seem to be learning the fact that it's a heck of a lot harder than the stereotypical shooter game 
Keep working at it Good luck and have fun ^^
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I swapped from playing Halo 3 competitively at events to Starcraft 2. During Beta I was in Platinum, after beta I was in Diamond and I'm currently mid-high masters.
However, I've played a lot of games ;D.
Gold is decent for 170 games, probably about right for someone with a competitive background. Its the /ability/ to learn how to be good that makes you good imo. Nice to see a lot of console gamers coming over though .
I didn't have any RTS background really, just AoE2 single player, and Broodwar UMS.
Edit: Not to mention Gold now is like Diamond 2 months after release ;D.
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I've been playing since half-way throught the beta, and, although I've vastly improved, I've only gone from about bronze to mid/high diamond since then. I've stopped playing a couple times, and of course, I haven't always focused solely on improving, but I think it's definitely possible to do better than I did in a short amount of time. Day9 was a huge help for me though.
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On January 13 2012 23:00 tUUTZ wrote:
Everyone should be in Master League after playing for a year or so.
You realize that this is impossible, right? Given the way blizzard distributes percentages of the population into different leagues not everyone can be in master's
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I'm in Platinum league now, and it took me about ~100 games to get there from silver, when I started playing early last year. I then didn't play until last fall, and now I'm still firmly in Platinum after playing several hundred more games. I don't expect to be promoted any time soon even though I am improving, and that doesn't bother me at all actually.
I think you need to have a clear goal which you want to achieve. Then you can decide on best method to achieve it, and come up with benchmarks to measure your progress. It will allow you to measure your skill improvement objectively, like making sure you have a specific number of scvs at 10 minutes, etc. I can sometimes play a game, lose narrowly even though I did everything correctly and rage that something is imba. Then I open up a replay and see that I had 36 scvs instead of 44 at 10 minutes. There is no point in watching the rest of replay or using this game to judge skill.
As many people pointed out, if getting up the ladder is your main concern, the best way to achieve it is to focus on strong 1 or 2 base all-ins. Your games will be relatively short (so you'll play a lot of them), you will have clear army benchmarks at all points of time, and will get a lot of practice with unit control. This won't get you to code S, but might get to code A :p
On the other hand, if you want to develop mechanics and game sense to become a competent and creative player, you might want to incorporate elements of multitasking into your builds, try to execute pushes and harrass while macroing, and what not. That's what I try to do personally. For example, my personal measure of progress is that I fail less and less miserably in trying to do two things at a time, not what league I'm in.
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