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Give us a replay, and we will show you what you are doing wrong
If you are in gold, then you obviously have giant holes in your play, there is no reason why you should stay in the top 60% of players when you can be in the top 2%. I have friends that barely know the game that are in platinum.
You need 1 solid build order for each matchup. Knowing the metagame is important, and if you have a good build and execute it well, you will move up the ranks very quickly. I haven't lost a TvT in a few weeks (granted i dont play much) because the build i use is so good that nobody at the high diamond/low master level can stop it, marine medivac stim combat shield +1 timing when they only have 2-3 tanks is the shit.
My account is doomblaze.496 if you want to hit me up
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wait? more money is bad? damnit i was lied too...
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I just did some practice games with Stokes, the diamond toss who posted on here and we played 3 games. PvP. He won the first 2, and I won the 3rd game. Pretty much what it cam down to is this.
In gold league i experience all ins more than 70% of my games. Usaully i feel like I dont have the amount of money I would like to have to build more units. Also im not the best at deciding when to build more gates, and when to build units. Working on my scouting is also something i need to do but i think with simply more obs play ill be fine. I made probes perfectly fine, no problems there. Its pretty much just came down to him having more units than me. I think i just need to work on not being so scared of early pushes to where i build so many units i have no time to do anything else. It just seems so hard to do when every terran 1-1-1 every toss 3 gate robos and pushed with 3 immortals, and zergs just mass roach hydra off 3 base.
I did read every post and i appreciate most of ur help. Thanks 
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Personally, I started playing last season after having played Brood War since it came out. Started in Platinum, and made it to diamond in around two and a half weeks, then didn't really play 1v1's after that.
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once you have 2000 wins you should be in masters !
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If u know as much as u think you do, u just need to play more.
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On January 13 2012 15:59 Ejje wrote:I am still in diamond though and getting my fare share of matchups vs master players so my point still stands. I still don't have that many 1v1 games in comparison to many people who are still in lower leagues with alot more games than me.
Also im sorry for your friend.
I guess I more just wanted to point out that gold league season 1 != gold league currently, it had nothing to do with you personally. I don't want the OP to think that people who hit gold in season 1 without trying are some sort of demigod and he's a total noob, when it actually takes as much skill to get to rank 1 bronze now as it did to get gold back then.
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Mechanics, mechanics, and more mechanics. I got into diamond with only a couple dozen games played and I've stayed there since. I'm also confident I'd be a solid masters player if I played more than a handful of games a season. I had a long history with BW before SC2 came out. I played hundreds of games on b.net and iccup, and that skill set transferred over and gave me an immediate edge once I got a bit of a feel for SC2. I'm by no means a super fast player (only about 110-120 APM) but the speed I do have keeps me well ahead of most players I do play, and even with minimal practice I still maintain a win percentage comfortably above 50.
Learn build orders and learn how to spend your money and you should get into diamond based purely on that. Seek a level where most of the stuff you do, you don't really think about because it's all muscle memory. Strategy is only really important once you've got the mechanics to actually execute properly. And if you're in gold, odds are you don't have the mechanics yet.
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On January 13 2012 16:36 corpuscle wrote:Show nested quote +On January 13 2012 15:59 Ejje wrote:I am still in diamond though and getting my fare share of matchups vs master players so my point still stands. I still don't have that many 1v1 games in comparison to many people who are still in lower leagues with alot more games than me.
Also im sorry for your friend. I guess I more just wanted to point out that gold league season 1 != gold league currently, it had nothing to do with you personally. I don't want the OP to think that people who hit gold in season 1 without trying are some sort of demigod and he's a total noob, when it actually takes as much skill to get to rank 1 bronze now as it did to get gold back then.
I see your point! And ofcourse gold now doesn't equal gold season 1 the game has evolved alot since then.
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well I only played fps games before and i had ZERO rts experience. 1season finished 1st in my diamond division. SO u really don't have talent
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My experience was similar to yours.
I switched over from heavy Gears/Halo play to StarCraft 2. This is my first real computer game I've ever played.
I started playing in September 2010 with zero RTS experience and as of December 2011 I am a Masters Random player.
I only have around 175 wins total in 1v1. I first placed in Bronze and worked my way up.
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okay
i went from halo to sc2 as well. mlg 50 in halo 3, which is like saying youre grandmaster on NA in terms of how good that is. (not very)
no prior rts experience, went from copper league to grandmasters. I was really bad. really really bad. But I believed from the start that I would be able to be a top level player and was never satisfied with where I was. (still not, and I'm top rated on every server that I play on.)
Not having experience doesn't matter. Just have the motivation to keep playing a ton and practice hard. Whenever you get stuck vs certain strategies/races look around for help.
Last bit of advice, from someone near the top looking down, 99% of the people that play this game suck. Work on getting faster and knowing what to do vs every kind of strategy and then you will be able to surpass us all easily.
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The only negative thing I see is that you are wasting your time thinking about this. Go play more and have fun!
It's of very little use to compare the rate of improvement of different people, because they have different backgrounds, even if it's not BW or other RTS.
Some may have been taught how to cook, so they are good at multitasking, others may have studied a musical instrument and learned to excel at routine mechanics exercises etc. But one thing is sure, the more you play the better you become, so keep playing! You don't get better by thinking "I need to get better" or "I need to reach that league", but by just staying calm and sharp and thinking about each game, analyzing your replays, taking notes in a notebook, and stuff like these.
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On January 13 2012 16:50 Bocian wrote:
well I only played fps games before and i had ZERO rts experience. 1season finished 1st in my diamond division. SO u really don't have talent
Yeah that's really helpful. Thank goodness you posted in this thread! Jerk.
Everyone improves at their own rate; there is no standard to which you can compare your own progress. Simply stay active, play a lot of games. A lot of advice in this thread is sound. Don't worry as much about benchmarks in leagues as much as improvement.
Just play the game, you will get better.
More GG = More Skill
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On January 13 2012 15:21 Suichoy wrote:Show nested quote +On January 13 2012 14:58 Zrana wrote:
I'm in a clan with players from bronze to masters, and from what i've noticed the general picture of 1v1 win numbers to league is at this time (very roughly):
Masters 1000+
Diamond 600+
Plat 300+
Gold 100+
Silver less than 100
Bronze is either less than 20 or more than 200 ^^
This is ofc not exact at all, but generally i reckon you can pick a player and see what league he's in and 8 times out 10 the numbers above will be more or less right. Very interesting!
And very wrong!
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Having a small background in RTS especially starcraft 1 helps a lot for most people. I played sc1 very very casually for like 2 years even just custom games and whatnot. Still enough to easily get me to diamond through very very very little games. So I would say your shooter and console background is helping you very little compared to even my very weak sc1 background.
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Don't obsess over the amount of wins you have, unless you need like 6k games to get diamond I strongly doubt it matters. Personally, I got to master league with less than 200 wins in season 1, and I'm still in master league with around 600 wins, yet there are A LOT of people who took well over 1500 games to get to master, that are MUCH better than me.
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looked at all my ladder stats dating back to oct last year. i've played roughly 600 1v1s across my playable servers (na, sea, kr), and i'm master na/sea and diamond in kr. i had an extensive bw background although i'm a slow starter when it comes to games.
edit: i meant 600 wins! i always get confused with this
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i don't really think that there is a "normal" progression it depends alot on how you aproach games and if you just play or if you actually atempt to improve just playing and improving is not quite the same thing. also attitude tallent etc all plays in in how fast you improve as a player. but just keep at it and don't worry to much about the rate you improve and just have fun
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i qualified for bronze league 1v1 in season 1 after my placement matches on the SEA server. Before end of season 1 after about 50 wins on ladder i had climbed to diamond..
i am now top8 diamond on SEA with about 50 wins this season (i think my total 1v1 ladder games are about 200 games played since season 1)...dont really 1v1 on ladder much..
fighting my way up into masters...
anyway, biggest tip i can give to atleast get into high diamond is just macro, have a build order/game plan from the start and just focus on your macro, always training workers, always keeping money down, dont get supply blocked, continually building army..dont sit on one base for too long, learn when it is safe to expo...
these really basic things are much more important than micro tactics and clever play until you get to a higher level...everyone hates hearing it...but MACRO MACRO MACRO MACRO.....
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