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On January 09 2012 14:48 MrMercuG wrote: fOrGG is overhyped, he is not the king of terran, maybe like the sergeant of terran TT
We don't know yet if he will live up to the hype. But if he can.. oh my god. It's gonna be brutal.
On ther subject, i would give anything to have firebathero in SC2. The crazy "diving in the sea after winning" one.
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On January 09 2012 16:36 jinixxx123 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 09 2012 16:32 mustaju wrote:On January 09 2012 16:18 jinixxx123 wrote:On January 09 2012 16:00 magnaflow wrote:On January 09 2012 15:56 deadmau wrote: I'm a tad confused with Milkis' League of Legends comment. What does LoL have to do with Korean e-sports? Would it give it a boost or something? I think what he meant is that LoL is becoming the go to game in Korea. people actually going to watch that on t.v or turn up to a live audience to view that piece of shit? If that ever becomes the case esports in general should be written off. Nada lost me as a fan long time ago when he made that retarded LOL commercial. Be respectful to the LoL community. League of Legends is gonna grow, give it time. Also, we haven't seen the best RTS players switch over yet, maybe the game will be better yet. We'll have to wait and see.  there is no wait and seeing with that game. Its fun and all, but i do not want to watch it. This is not meant to bash LOL but some games just arent for esports. Such as World of Warcraft. If anything dota 2 should be way higher, and even then i still would never ever choose it over viewing starcraft 2.
How is calling something a piece of shit and retarded not bashing it? Its a legitimate esport, it gets tons of views and is played by a ton of people.
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On January 09 2012 16:18 jinixxx123 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 09 2012 16:00 magnaflow wrote:On January 09 2012 15:56 deadmau wrote: I'm a tad confused with Milkis' League of Legends comment. What does LoL have to do with Korean e-sports? Would it give it a boost or something? I think what he meant is that LoL is becoming the go to game in Korea. people actually going to watch that on t.v or turn up to a live audience to view that piece of shit? If that ever becomes the case esports in general should be written off. Nada lost me as a fan long time ago when he made that retarded LOL commercial.
People will watch cause thats what they play. Obviously you're gonna have die hard fans who will watch a game they don't play but most are going to tune into what they find interesting.
I feel SC2's player base is shrinking but the viewer numbers are still pretty strong. I also feel (especially in the foreign scene) that people continue to watch because they feel some sort of an attachement to their favorite players. Probably because they are from the same continent, country, city.. whatever ( I always cheer for foreign players)
Am I the only one who is worried about what this could do to the foreign scene? Speaking for myself here if what people say is true and these BW players who may come over will totally dominate the game to a point where foreign players can no longer compete (as in have no chance at all) I will lose interest in the game and won't tune in anymore.
Does anyone else feel this way?
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On January 09 2012 16:42 magnaflow wrote:Show nested quote +On January 09 2012 16:18 jinixxx123 wrote:On January 09 2012 16:00 magnaflow wrote:On January 09 2012 15:56 deadmau wrote: I'm a tad confused with Milkis' League of Legends comment. What does LoL have to do with Korean e-sports? Would it give it a boost or something? I think what he meant is that LoL is becoming the go to game in Korea. people actually going to watch that on t.v or turn up to a live audience to view that piece of shit? If that ever becomes the case esports in general should be written off. Nada lost me as a fan long time ago when he made that retarded LOL commercial. People will watch cause thats what they play. Obviously you're gonna have die hard fans who will watch a game they don't play but most are going to tune into what they find interesting. I feel SC2's player base is shrinking but the viewer numbers are still pretty strong. I also feel (especially in the foreign scene) that people continue to watch because they feel some sort of an attachement to their favorite players. Probably because they are from the same continent, country, city.. whatever ( I always cheer for foreign players) Am I the only one who is worried about what this could do to the foreign scene? Speaking for myself here if what people say is true and these BW players who may come over will totally dominate the game to a point where foreign players can no longer compete (as in have no chance at all) I will lose interest in the game and won't tune in anymore. Does anyone else feel this way?
If it happens that way it's no ones fault but the foreign players for not being as good.
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On January 09 2012 16:42 magnaflow wrote:Show nested quote +On January 09 2012 16:18 jinixxx123 wrote:On January 09 2012 16:00 magnaflow wrote:On January 09 2012 15:56 deadmau wrote: I'm a tad confused with Milkis' League of Legends comment. What does LoL have to do with Korean e-sports? Would it give it a boost or something? I think what he meant is that LoL is becoming the go to game in Korea. people actually going to watch that on t.v or turn up to a live audience to view that piece of shit? If that ever becomes the case esports in general should be written off. Nada lost me as a fan long time ago when he made that retarded LOL commercial. People will watch cause thats what they play. Obviously you're gonna have die hard fans who will watch a game they don't play but most are going to tune into what they find interesting. I feel SC2's player base is shrinking but the viewer numbers are still pretty strong. I also feel (especially in the foreign scene) that people continue to watch because they feel some sort of an attachement to their favorite players. Probably because they are from the same continent, country, city.. whatever ( I always cheer for foreign players) Am I the only one who is worried about what this could do to the foreign scene? Speaking for myself here if what people say is true and these BW players who may come over will totally dominate the game to a point where foreign players can no longer compete (as in have no chance at all) I will lose interest in the game and won't tune in anymore. Does anyone else feel this way?
I think it will be more or less the same on the foreign scene. It is not like every single korean flies overseas to compete in these tournaments. The korean scene will definitely be even more competitive (as if it wasnt already) though.
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On January 09 2012 16:42 magnaflow wrote:Show nested quote +On January 09 2012 16:18 jinixxx123 wrote:On January 09 2012 16:00 magnaflow wrote:On January 09 2012 15:56 deadmau wrote: I'm a tad confused with Milkis' League of Legends comment. What does LoL have to do with Korean e-sports? Would it give it a boost or something? I think what he meant is that LoL is becoming the go to game in Korea. people actually going to watch that on t.v or turn up to a live audience to view that piece of shit? If that ever becomes the case esports in general should be written off. Nada lost me as a fan long time ago when he made that retarded LOL commercial. People will watch cause thats what they play. Obviously you're gonna have die hard fans who will watch a game they don't play but most are going to tune into what they find interesting. I feel SC2's player base is shrinking but the viewer numbers are still pretty strong. I also feel (especially in the foreign scene) that people continue to watch because they feel some sort of an attachement to their favorite players. Probably because they are from the same continent, country, city.. whatever ( I always cheer for foreign players) Am I the only one who is worried about what this could do to the foreign scene? Speaking for myself here if what people say is true and these BW players who may come over will totally dominate the game to a point where foreign players can no longer compete (as in have no chance at all) I will lose interest in the game and won't tune in anymore. Does anyone else feel this way?
I agree lol I think similar situation happened for BW Koreans dominating hardcore = No to very little foreigner scene
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SC2 cant be dominated because there is a lot more "silly" shit that can happen, in addition the dumbed down mechanics.
Terrible news either way.
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On January 09 2012 16:42 magnaflow wrote:Show nested quote +On January 09 2012 16:18 jinixxx123 wrote:On January 09 2012 16:00 magnaflow wrote:On January 09 2012 15:56 deadmau wrote: I'm a tad confused with Milkis' League of Legends comment. What does LoL have to do with Korean e-sports? Would it give it a boost or something? I think what he meant is that LoL is becoming the go to game in Korea. people actually going to watch that on t.v or turn up to a live audience to view that piece of shit? If that ever becomes the case esports in general should be written off. Nada lost me as a fan long time ago when he made that retarded LOL commercial. People will watch cause thats what they play. Obviously you're gonna have die hard fans who will watch a game they don't play but most are going to tune into what they find interesting. I feel SC2's player base is shrinking but the viewer numbers are still pretty strong. I also feel (especially in the foreign scene) that people continue to watch because they feel some sort of an attachement to their favorite players. Probably because they are from the same continent, country, city.. whatever ( I always cheer for foreign players) Am I the only one who is worried about what this could do to the foreign scene? Speaking for myself here if what people say is true and these BW players who may come over will totally dominate the game to a point where foreign players can no longer compete (as in have no chance at all) I will lose interest in the game and won't tune in anymore. Does anyone else feel this way? history tends to repeat itself.
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On January 09 2012 16:47 Megaliskuu wrote: SC2 cant be dominated because there is a lot more "silly" shit that can happen, in addition the dumbed down mechanics.
Terrible news either way.
Yeah that totally explains why there are several extremely dominant sc2 players at the moment.
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On January 09 2012 16:42 magnaflow wrote:Show nested quote +On January 09 2012 16:18 jinixxx123 wrote:On January 09 2012 16:00 magnaflow wrote:On January 09 2012 15:56 deadmau wrote: I'm a tad confused with Milkis' League of Legends comment. What does LoL have to do with Korean e-sports? Would it give it a boost or something? I think what he meant is that LoL is becoming the go to game in Korea. people actually going to watch that on t.v or turn up to a live audience to view that piece of shit? If that ever becomes the case esports in general should be written off. Nada lost me as a fan long time ago when he made that retarded LOL commercial. People will watch cause thats what they play. Obviously you're gonna have die hard fans who will watch a game they don't play but most are going to tune into what they find interesting. I feel SC2's player base is shrinking but the viewer numbers are still pretty strong. I also feel (especially in the foreign scene) that people continue to watch because they feel some sort of an attachement to their favorite players. Probably because they are from the same continent, country, city.. whatever ( I always cheer for foreign players) Am I the only one who is worried about what this could do to the foreign scene? Speaking for myself here if what people say is true and these BW players who may come over will totally dominate the game to a point where foreign players can no longer compete (as in have no chance at all) I will lose interest in the game and won't tune in anymore. Does anyone else feel this way?
Don't most people watch Korean pros anyway since they offer much higher level games? Foreigners playing against foreigners are probably incapable of executing something like . . . Leenock vs Jjakji game 1.
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I have followed teamliquid discussions for some time by now, and decided to make now an account so I can contribute community discussions with my own perceptions of topicks.
People here are talking something like "so... nada and boxer were so allmighty bonjwas of brood war so how come they are not dominating sc2? this proves that bw experience means nothing in sc2"
That kind of argument does not work because Nada and Boxer were bad players. Dont get me wrong here, they were RELATIVELY VERY GOOD players like decade ago. But they still were bad, just like old top tier airliners or oceanliners of their time were pretty bad technology when we look at them now. All this means just, that it is not about Nada or Boxer being in "decline" regarding their skill (atleast there is no real evidence to support this theory), it has more to do with the fact that simply better players entered in the scene, just like better oceanliners or airplanes are developed which eventually causes older technology to be left out of business.
Current top tier brood war players are so good at BW which indicates strong understanding of RTS philosophy of starcraft-like games and they posses so high skill sets of this particular area. This is the reason, why CURRENT top tier BW-players are likely going to dominate the SC2-scene in following months after their switching to this new game.
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there's a very good chance that these bw pros will dominate. the skill ceiling hasnt even been reached yet in sc2. just watch the top players like mvp...he has like too many units queued up and floating too much money at times.
these are exciting times to be in
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On January 09 2012 15:43 power-overwhelming wrote: Imagine Fantasy in sc2.. marines dying to banelings ? :p
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i don't really follow the bw scene too closely, but i definitely think it will be sad if pro league just suddenly dissolves to make way for a transition to sc2. i follow sc2 very closely and while it's great seeing former bw pros try to make their mark in sc2, i hope bw does not all of a sudden die off
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It doesn't matter that much who is switching and who's not. The more interesting aspect is what will happen to the industry. GSL can't always be the only host. As soon as the korean scene gets more competitive, profesional, high level teams, there needs to be a second broadcaster. Enough go around for the sponsors for their players to advertise them.
It will change. And the country with the best playing environment will dominate. That's a given...
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I can foresee sc2 becoming very korean sentric just like BW was, with Kespa-like organization holding the scene with iron hand.
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I hope this exludes the top BW pros. dont want the bw to be totally gone yet.. not ready for that.
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OSL OSL OSL :p ? not happening for now, i cant believe some players will just say "im going for sc2" instead of even trying to get into OSL, maybe the ones who didnt qualify will switch to sc2, but OSL for BW progamers is like Olympics for athletes, something you dont wanna miss.
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On January 09 2012 16:57 Mongolbonjwa wrote: I have followed teamliquid discussions for some time by now, and decided to make now an account so I can contribute community discussions with my own perceptions of topicks.
People here are talking something like "so... nada and boxer were so allmighty bonjwas of brood war so how come they are not dominating sc2? this proves that bw experience means nothing in sc2"
That kind of argument does not work because Nada and Boxer were bad players. Dont get me wrong here, they were RELATIVELY VERY GOOD players like decade ago. But they still were bad, just like old top tier airliners or oceanliners of their time were pretty bad technology when we look at them now. All this means just, that it is not about Nada or Boxer being in "decline" regarding their skill (atleast there is no real evidence to support this theory), it has more to do with the fact that simply better players entered in the scene, just like better oceanliners or airplanes are developed which eventually causes older technology to be left out of business.
Current top tier brood war players are so good at BW which indicates strong understanding of RTS philosophy of starcraft-like games and they posses so high skill sets of this particular area. This is the reason, why CURRENT top tier BW-players are likely going to dominate the SC2-scene in following months after their switching to this new game.
Didnt Nada hold the record for the most OSL/MSL wins for one player? Now tied with Flash iirc? And Jaedong is one behind.
On topic unless I see the bigger names in BW switching I cant say its overly interesting either. The big players probably wont switch until they cant make as much in BW. Though so have mentioned switching in the future.
Would also love to see Fantasy v Idra.. game of awesome GG timings >_>
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I expect Fantasy to be the first huge name from the top of the current BW scene. Not sure if he's among the speculated here, because afiak he's been interested in SC2 for more than 5 months. (he even mentioned it in some group ceremony)
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