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On January 09 2012 17:22 Riiaider wrote:Show nested quote +On January 09 2012 16:57 Mongolbonjwa wrote:
I have followed teamliquid discussions for some time by now, and decided to make now an account so I can contribute community discussions with my own perceptions of topicks.
People here are talking something like "so... nada and boxer were so allmighty bonjwas of brood war so how come they are not dominating sc2? this proves that bw experience means nothing in sc2"
That kind of argument does not work because Nada and Boxer were bad players. Dont get me wrong here, they were RELATIVELY VERY GOOD players like decade ago. But they still were bad, just like old top tier airliners or oceanliners of their time were pretty bad technology when we look at them now. All this means just, that it is not about Nada or Boxer being in "decline" regarding their skill (atleast there is no real evidence to support this theory), it has more to do with the fact that simply better players entered in the scene, just like better oceanliners or airplanes are developed which eventually causes older technology to be left out of business.
Current top tier brood war players are so good at BW which indicates strong understanding of RTS philosophy of starcraft-like games and they posses so high skill sets of this particular area. This is the reason, why CURRENT top tier BW-players are likely going to dominate the SC2-scene in following months after their switching to this new game. Didnt Nada hold the record for the most OSL/MSL wins for one player? Now tied with Flash iirc? And Jaedong is one behind. On topic unless I see the bigger names in BW switching I cant say its overly interesting either. The big players probably wont switch until they cant make as much in BW. Though so have mentioned switching in the future. Would also love to see Fantasy v Idra.. game of awesome GG timings >_>
Take a look at when July, Boxer, and Nada won their titles. BW has advanced so much since then and none of those three have been able to keep up with the level of play.
By 2010, all three of them were terrible and rarely, if ever, played in proleague.
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On January 09 2012 17:22 Riiaider wrote:
Didnt Nada hold the record for the most OSL/MSL wins for one player? Now tied with Flash iirc? And Jaedong is one behind.
Yeah but it was old times, currently nada cant beat those players.
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On January 09 2012 15:17 Milkis wrote:
at the same time from what i can tell kespa is pretty convinced that most of the fans in esports are fans of the teams and the players and thus a good portion of these people will follow the players and the teams into sc2 if there was such a switch. considering bw is dying and it's getting harder and harder to get sponsors (don't take what they say in the press at face value, btw), it's logical that they are probably going to do sc2 soon.
back in the early part of the decade when e-sports was starting to grow big in korea, you'd see the iconic fan girls showing up to games. why? it's not because they actually cared about the game. it's because most the progamers were good looking and were young. traits that appeal to girls in the teenage/young adult category.
remember, back then there was no super junior, no shinee, no beast for fangirls to 'go girly over'.
now given the large boom in the korean music industry over the past five years or so, progaming (in korea at least) has lost one of its strongest draw points for new viewers.
luckily for the industry, boxer was good looking, extremely skilled, had an awesome personality and arrived at the perfect time.
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if the details in boss' post are correct then i doubt the bw pros switching over are ones that have played a proleague match this season. no bw team would seed any A teamer out in proleague that hasnt been practicing sc1 for the last couple months. so the people he is talking about are probably some a-teamers for the 3 bw teams that recently disbanded: FOX, OZ, MBC. so maybe  Pure,  Saint,  RuBy, Pusan, major, HiyA, PerfectMan?
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Well the amatuer scene was fun while it lasted. I seriously doubt any of the current GSL champs will repeat if this is true.
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just wondering, were there any notable switched over bw pros in past week's code a qualifiers? (i didnt follow bw)
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All hope is not lost though. Basicly everything is possible according to quantum theory, so things could be different in sc2 than what they were in brood war.
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On January 09 2012 17:31 lFrost wrote:if the details in boss' post are correct then i doubt the bw pros switching over are ones that have played a proleague match this season. no bw team would seed any A teamer out in proleague that hasnt been practicing sc1 for the last couple months. so the people he is talking about are probably some a-teamers for the 3 bw teams that recently disbanded: FOX, OZ, MBC. so maybe Pure, Saint, RuBy, Pusan, major, HiyA, PerfectMan?
all those players are retired from progaming
more likely are reach, flying, guemchi, hyuk, shine, paralyze, or trap
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Finally, its lomos time to shine! It's like the game was fucking made for him, micro your heart out don't worry about macro? If he's not bonwja within a months time of his debut I'll eat something typically regarded as inedible
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On January 09 2012 17:41 n.DieJokes wrote:
Finally, its lomos time to shine! It's like the game was fucking made for him, micro your heart out don't worry about macro? If he's not bonwja within a months time of his debut I'll eat something typically regarded as inedible
he bacame a policeman afaik
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On January 09 2012 17:42 bgx wrote:Show nested quote +On January 09 2012 17:41 n.DieJokes wrote:
Finally, its lomos time to shine! It's like the game was fucking made for him, micro your heart out don't worry about macro? If he's not bonwja within a months time of his debut I'll eat something typically regarded as inedible he bacame a policeman afaik
Oh yeah... damn :[
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On January 09 2012 17:43 n.DieJokes wrote:Show nested quote +On January 09 2012 17:42 bgx wrote:On January 09 2012 17:41 n.DieJokes wrote:
Finally, its lomos time to shine! It's like the game was fucking made for him, micro your heart out don't worry about macro? If he's not bonwja within a months time of his debut I'll eat something typically regarded as inedible he bacame a policeman afaik Oh yeah... damn :[
ye its sad everyone inside is a little homo for lomo :D
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On January 09 2012 17:38 rauk wrote:Show nested quote +On January 09 2012 17:31 lFrost wrote:if the details in boss' post are correct then i doubt the bw pros switching over are ones that have played a proleague match this season. no bw team would seed any A teamer out in proleague that hasnt been practicing sc1 for the last couple months. so the people he is talking about are probably some a-teamers for the 3 bw teams that recently disbanded: FOX, OZ, MBC. so maybe Pure, Saint, RuBy, Pusan, major, HiyA, PerfectMan? all those players are retired from progaming more likely are reach, flying, guemchi, hyuk, shine, paralyze, or trap
they were forced to retire from bw since they were not drafted into any team. did they say they wouldnt switch to sc2 or something? afaik only midas really stated that. out of the people you listed hyuk seems unlikely considering he just played a proleague match a few days ago. also not sure why samsung would pick up shine recently if he were to only play sc2
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On January 09 2012 17:36 simmeh wrote:
just wondering, were there any notable switched over bw pros in past week's code a qualifiers? (i didnt follow bw)
HyuN. Joined TSL about a month ago and qualified for code A on his first try. He wasn't particularly popular amongst foreign BW fans so there wasn't as much fuss over him as there was for fOrGG.
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On January 09 2012 17:45 lFrost wrote:Show nested quote +On January 09 2012 17:38 rauk wrote:On January 09 2012 17:31 lFrost wrote:if the details in boss' post are correct then i doubt the bw pros switching over are ones that have played a proleague match this season. no bw team would seed any A teamer out in proleague that hasnt been practicing sc1 for the last couple months. so the people he is talking about are probably some a-teamers for the 3 bw teams that recently disbanded: FOX, OZ, MBC. so maybe Pure, Saint, RuBy, Pusan, major, HiyA, PerfectMan? all those players are retired from progaming more likely are reach, flying, guemchi, hyuk, shine, paralyze, or trap they were forced to retire from bw since they were not drafted into any team. did they say they wouldnt switch to sc2 or something? afaik only midas really stated that. out of the people you listed hyuk seems unlikely considering he just played a proleague match a few days ago. also not sure why samsung would pick up shine recently if he were to only play sc2
oh wut totally missed that hyuk played games, felt like years since i've seen him sent out.
pure and pusan applied for ace, so if they're doing mandatory army then they can't play anyways. hiya said straight out he's done with progaming, same with ruby. i thought saint retired permanently earlier but i think i mixed him up with shark. i guess it's possible PFM will play sc2.
also if second season of SPL ends up being sc2 instead of broodwar then it wouldn't be weird at all for samsung to buy out shine and have him play sc2.
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If Hyuk switches, that'll be so awesome. He's my favorite BW player
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Playing for 5 months?
I don't think they would still be playing in team leagues if they were playing for so long and I didn't notice any top a teamer missing.
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On January 09 2012 18:03 pPingu wrote:
Playing for 5 months?
I don't think they would still be playing in team leagues if they were playing for so long and I didn't notice any top a teamer missing.
thats what bothering me, to stay relevent and keep your mechanics up to date it requires to train hours just to keep it intact so i cant really see how they could be able to switch beetwen 2 different games and just go with it
maybe players who are really inactive like shine etc, maybe their practice time is something like 50-50 sc2/bw and their only train bw when they have to snipe someone once in 2 weeks or something dunno seems weird to me or the title is wrong and we are talking about retirees who are not playing bw at all now.
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On January 09 2012 17:28 chenchen wrote:Show nested quote +On January 09 2012 17:22 Riiaider wrote:On January 09 2012 16:57 Mongolbonjwa wrote:
I have followed teamliquid discussions for some time by now, and decided to make now an account so I can contribute community discussions with my own perceptions of topicks.
People here are talking something like "so... nada and boxer were so allmighty bonjwas of brood war so how come they are not dominating sc2? this proves that bw experience means nothing in sc2"
That kind of argument does not work because Nada and Boxer were bad players. Dont get me wrong here, they were RELATIVELY VERY GOOD players like decade ago. But they still were bad, just like old top tier airliners or oceanliners of their time were pretty bad technology when we look at them now. All this means just, that it is not about Nada or Boxer being in "decline" regarding their skill (atleast there is no real evidence to support this theory), it has more to do with the fact that simply better players entered in the scene, just like better oceanliners or airplanes are developed which eventually causes older technology to be left out of business.
Current top tier brood war players are so good at BW which indicates strong understanding of RTS philosophy of starcraft-like games and they posses so high skill sets of this particular area. This is the reason, why CURRENT top tier BW-players are likely going to dominate the SC2-scene in following months after their switching to this new game. Didnt Nada hold the record for the most OSL/MSL wins for one player? Now tied with Flash iirc? And Jaedong is one behind. On topic unless I see the bigger names in BW switching I cant say its overly interesting either. The big players probably wont switch until they cant make as much in BW. Though so have mentioned switching in the future. Would also love to see Fantasy v Idra.. game of awesome GG timings >_> Take a look at when July, Boxer, and Nada won their titles. BW has advanced so much since then and none of those three have been able to keep up with the level of play. By 2010, all three of them were terrible and rarely, if ever, played in proleague.
nada still had that incredible series against jangbi in the lost saga msl 
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