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Ah this gets me so excited, though i know BW-fans will be a bit sad... But i love this! =D
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Wow! I hope they, whoever they are, switch soon. 
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im sad. bw is a great game. but sc2 can be great too (two more expos coming out), so my hopes are up.
BW stood the test of esport time BECAUSE it was such a demanding edit:game and was capable of jaw dropping play. SC2 needs this element or it WILL be just another game that will be replaced. I sincerely hope Blizz makes magic with Into the Void and HotS.
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On January 09 2012 18:06 bgx wrote:Show nested quote +On January 09 2012 18:03 pPingu wrote:
Playing for 5 months?
I don't think they would still be playing in team leagues if they were playing for so long and I didn't notice any top a teamer missing. thats what bothering me, to stay relevent and keep your mechanics up to date it requires to train hours just to keep it intact so i cant really see how they could be able to switch beetwen 2 different games and just go with it maybe players who are really inactive like shine etc, maybe their practice time is something like 50-50 sc2/bw and their only train bw when they have to snipe someone once in 2 weeks or something dunno seems weird to me or the title is wrong and we are talking about retirees who are not playing bw at all now.
From Boss' post, it sounds like they've played sc2 casually for 5 months, and have just now begun to play it exclusively, so we might not see the results of that yet. Start looking for top level players who disappear in the next 40 days.
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On January 09 2012 17:31 lFrost wrote:if the details in boss' post are correct then i doubt the bw pros switching over are ones that have played a proleague match this season. no bw team would seed any A teamer out in proleague that hasnt been practicing sc1 for the last couple months. so the people he is talking about are probably some a-teamers for the 3 bw teams that recently disbanded: FOX, OZ, MBC. so maybe  Pure,  Saint,  RuBy, Pusan, major, HiyA, PerfectMan?
i would say likely, minus the obviously retired ones.
real A teamers like fantasy, stats, leta, reality, zero
very unlikely
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On January 09 2012 19:09 Yonnua wrote:Show nested quote +On January 09 2012 18:06 bgx wrote:On January 09 2012 18:03 pPingu wrote:
Playing for 5 months?
I don't think they would still be playing in team leagues if they were playing for so long and I didn't notice any top a teamer missing. thats what bothering me, to stay relevent and keep your mechanics up to date it requires to train hours just to keep it intact so i cant really see how they could be able to switch beetwen 2 different games and just go with it maybe players who are really inactive like shine etc, maybe their practice time is something like 50-50 sc2/bw and their only train bw when they have to snipe someone once in 2 weeks or something dunno seems weird to me or the title is wrong and we are talking about retirees who are not playing bw at all now. From Boss' post, it sounds like they've played sc2 casually for 5 months, and have just now begun to play it exclusively, so we might not see the results of that yet. Start looking for top level players who disappear in the next 40 days.
That's going to be painful to watch.
have a feeling most of the ''switch'' is going to come from team 8 ( hoping to god it's not)
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On January 09 2012 19:31 shadymmj wrote:Show nested quote +On January 09 2012 17:31 lFrost wrote:if the details in boss' post are correct then i doubt the bw pros switching over are ones that have played a proleague match this season. no bw team would seed any A teamer out in proleague that hasnt been practicing sc1 for the last couple months. so the people he is talking about are probably some a-teamers for the 3 bw teams that recently disbanded: FOX, OZ, MBC. so maybe Pure, Saint, RuBy, Pusan, major, HiyA, PerfectMan? i would say likely, minus the obviously retired ones. real A teamers like fantasy, stats, leta, reality, zero very unlikely
Yea I can't see pro's of that level switching over, however I did hear that Leta may have been playing according to wolf.
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I just can't wait for this to happen. It will be a seismic shift in the scene and a moment in ESPORTS history that I feel privileged to be able to experience as it happens.
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People need to understand that there is no reason Kespa players would start playing in GOM run leagues, I mean fuck they arent even on TV and it seems as though GOM is basically living off of foreign subscriptions (and treating us the worst, go figure). That isn't what these big sponsors in Kespa pay for, if they move over I assume they'll have their own league running alongside their proleague / OSL shows.
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On January 09 2012 19:44 Tazerenix wrote:Show nested quote +On January 09 2012 19:31 shadymmj wrote:On January 09 2012 17:31 lFrost wrote:if the details in boss' post are correct then i doubt the bw pros switching over are ones that have played a proleague match this season. no bw team would seed any A teamer out in proleague that hasnt been practicing sc1 for the last couple months. so the people he is talking about are probably some a-teamers for the 3 bw teams that recently disbanded: FOX, OZ, MBC. so maybe Pure, Saint, RuBy, Pusan, major, HiyA, PerfectMan? i would say likely, minus the obviously retired ones. real A teamers like fantasy, stats, leta, reality, zero very unlikely Yea I can't see pro's of that level switching over, however I did hear that Leta may have been playing according to wolf.
Didn't really sound much like practicing from his tweets. More like just trying to play a few games for fun
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well being an a teamer in bw is no guarantee to success in sc2. We saw active b teamers become pretty damn good in sc2 and we saw some pretty much disappear. Same will happen to a teamers, though their chances are better as their payment motivates them more.
So i don't really see the hype. Especially training for 5 month and no one really noticed them on ladder ? If they only custom against themself it will be pretty funny, when two worlds face each other with completly different strategies. (that would actually interest me)
well lets wait those 2 month then, wonder if that happens who will manage to survive being code B and code A for some time, after being used to be an a teamer for so long.
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On January 09 2012 15:39 Milkis wrote:Show nested quote +On January 09 2012 15:35 Diamond wrote:On January 09 2012 15:17 Milkis wrote:
i haven't paid enough attention to the scene for a while so I don't really know what FXOBoss is referring to completely. I don't even know if this upcoming event is even "big" as I'm going to make it seem. I'm pretty sure FXOBoss is referring to something else completely different.
Just note that what I'm about to just say something general about the Korean BW/SC2 scene, and how I see it going right now and the direction it'll take in the near future.
If you paid attention to what's been released, it's pretty damn obvious kespa has been trying to run sc2 for a long time now, despite what other people think. Fomos and DES published plenty of shit regarding industry insiders commenting on things like this, and just pay attention to the IP Rights debate, from the beginning to the conclusion. The fight was an implicit one over SC2 and in the end Kespa has said that they want to be able to help blizzard promote HotS.
if people haven't realized by now bw has been on a decline for a few years now. Proleague ratings, OGN/MBC Game ratings, etc. They are literally 1/3rd of what they were in 2007. It's freaking obvious why MBC Game got canned in the long run. They're a gaming channel and the only thing that generated halfway decent ratings was proleague and everything else people barely watched.
at the same time from what i can tell kespa is pretty convinced that most of the fans in esports are fans of the teams and the players and thus a good portion of these people will follow the players and the teams into sc2 if there was such a switch. considering bw is dying and it's getting harder and harder to get sponsors (don't take what they say in the press at face value, btw), it's logical that they are probably going to do sc2 soon.
why do you think PL has two "distinct" seasons with two distinct finals? this isn't a coincidence. its not something they would want to announce either since it'd take away from the current BW scene. do you think fomos picking up sc2 randomly again is a coincidence? or DES completely flipping their stance on BW? or all those teaser articles? korean bw/sc2 coverage is very very well controlled. realize that. they use it to gauge reactions. they "tease" about events that'll happen. notice that all of those are probably in there for a VERY good reason.
wake the hell up bw people. it's not "if", it's "when". It'll probably happen this year.
also to anyone who says "BW is on life support" -- esports as a whole is on life support. Why do you think blizzard dropped the stance on trying to extort money from the scene in korea? They finally discovered that no one in korean esports (except maybe OGN/MBC Game but that's arguable) makes any sort of money and that kespa literally lives off sponsors.
The entire scene has been a freaking fragile one since the entire IP rights debacle. If IP rights debacle never happened and blizzard fully supported KeSPA (then again, this may not have happened since people in KeSPA are kind of obtuse to a certain extent -_-) everyone would have swapped to SC2 and we'd be seeing a lot higher level play. imagine everyone is on MVP/MMA's level, and then there's like a few people who are one level on top of that. its kind of funny how bw people talk down players like mvp mma and say that they weren't good BW players -- MMA was only pro for a year and only retired due to personal reasons but he had a ton of potential and mvp would probably be a solid terran on the level of Bogus right now. Just imagine if everyone was as good as or at least as good as them with a few people a few notches higher and that's what you should be expecting once all of them fully transitioned.
that's my 2 cents. i highly recommend people to read korean news sources with a bit higher degree of scrutiny because again they're all very well controlled. No damnit. Don't go pulling this "Only Korean BW is E-Sports" shit again. E-Sports is fine, Korean BW is dying, there is a very distinct difference. KeSPA is not E-Sports. The millions and millions of dollars and millions of viewers for other games besides BW all over the world is light years ahead of a system where they control. anyway i'm obviously referring to korean esports which is bw/sc2. korean esports is doomed unless LoL picks up to be the new hot thing which is strongly heading towards that direction (so i guess it's not too doomed)
So we are going from BW > SC2 > LoL…. Great development of eSports indeed. Are there any former SC2 players playing LoL? (just curious).
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The march of the giants has begun, the ground itself will shake as they pass, let's hope they do not accidentally break their new foundation
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SC2 needs a good talent that hasn't been good at Broodwar. If the SC2 scene heavily rely on ex-BW pros for the best games, then you won't be seeing it's full potential and it won't be as good as BW when it comes to it's legacy. SC2 will fall at the first sight of another shiny game.
On January 09 2012 20:21 gn0m wrote:Show nested quote +On January 09 2012 15:39 Milkis wrote:On January 09 2012 15:35 Diamond wrote:On January 09 2012 15:17 Milkis wrote:
i haven't paid enough attention to the scene for a while so I don't really know what FXOBoss is referring to completely. I don't even know if this upcoming event is even "big" as I'm going to make it seem. I'm pretty sure FXOBoss is referring to something else completely different.
Just note that what I'm about to just say something general about the Korean BW/SC2 scene, and how I see it going right now and the direction it'll take in the near future.
If you paid attention to what's been released, it's pretty damn obvious kespa has been trying to run sc2 for a long time now, despite what other people think. Fomos and DES published plenty of shit regarding industry insiders commenting on things like this, and just pay attention to the IP Rights debate, from the beginning to the conclusion. The fight was an implicit one over SC2 and in the end Kespa has said that they want to be able to help blizzard promote HotS.
if people haven't realized by now bw has been on a decline for a few years now. Proleague ratings, OGN/MBC Game ratings, etc. They are literally 1/3rd of what they were in 2007. It's freaking obvious why MBC Game got canned in the long run. They're a gaming channel and the only thing that generated halfway decent ratings was proleague and everything else people barely watched.
at the same time from what i can tell kespa is pretty convinced that most of the fans in esports are fans of the teams and the players and thus a good portion of these people will follow the players and the teams into sc2 if there was such a switch. considering bw is dying and it's getting harder and harder to get sponsors (don't take what they say in the press at face value, btw), it's logical that they are probably going to do sc2 soon.
why do you think PL has two "distinct" seasons with two distinct finals? this isn't a coincidence. its not something they would want to announce either since it'd take away from the current BW scene. do you think fomos picking up sc2 randomly again is a coincidence? or DES completely flipping their stance on BW? or all those teaser articles? korean bw/sc2 coverage is very very well controlled. realize that. they use it to gauge reactions. they "tease" about events that'll happen. notice that all of those are probably in there for a VERY good reason.
wake the hell up bw people. it's not "if", it's "when". It'll probably happen this year.
also to anyone who says "BW is on life support" -- esports as a whole is on life support. Why do you think blizzard dropped the stance on trying to extort money from the scene in korea? They finally discovered that no one in korean esports (except maybe OGN/MBC Game but that's arguable) makes any sort of money and that kespa literally lives off sponsors.
The entire scene has been a freaking fragile one since the entire IP rights debacle. If IP rights debacle never happened and blizzard fully supported KeSPA (then again, this may not have happened since people in KeSPA are kind of obtuse to a certain extent -_-) everyone would have swapped to SC2 and we'd be seeing a lot higher level play. imagine everyone is on MVP/MMA's level, and then there's like a few people who are one level on top of that. its kind of funny how bw people talk down players like mvp mma and say that they weren't good BW players -- MMA was only pro for a year and only retired due to personal reasons but he had a ton of potential and mvp would probably be a solid terran on the level of Bogus right now. Just imagine if everyone was as good as or at least as good as them with a few people a few notches higher and that's what you should be expecting once all of them fully transitioned.
that's my 2 cents. i highly recommend people to read korean news sources with a bit higher degree of scrutiny because again they're all very well controlled. No damnit. Don't go pulling this "Only Korean BW is E-Sports" shit again. E-Sports is fine, Korean BW is dying, there is a very distinct difference. KeSPA is not E-Sports. The millions and millions of dollars and millions of viewers for other games besides BW all over the world is light years ahead of a system where they control. anyway i'm obviously referring to korean esports which is bw/sc2. korean esports is doomed unless LoL picks up to be the new hot thing which is strongly heading towards that direction (so i guess it's not too doomed) So we are going from BW > SC2 > LoL…. Great development of eSports indeed. Are there any former SC2 players playing LoL? (just curious).
lol ..... There are already 'former' SC2 players? That's just sad.
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LOL @ ppl thinking that ex-A teamers (A TEAMERS!!!) won't totally dominate the SC2 scene. And no, current A-teamers won't switch, proleague is too competitive right now.
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OMGOMGOMGOMG
First we hear about a SC2 proleague that is being made by Kespa and now this...
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People are acting like this is new knowledge.. come on this has been known.
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On January 09 2012 20:56 Toppp wrote:
People are acting like this is new knowledge.. come on this has been known.
Most of the "information" has been rumors or believes. It's announcements like these that are way more opening.
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AWWW YEEAAAH! SO EXCITED!!
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EPT
